Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Take out the loans. Money from Nada always comes with strings attached. ________________________________ To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 1:47:02 AM Subject: Am at my breaking point- please help!  I am at my breaking point and am still somehow FLOORED by how crazy nada is and how she has gotten the entire family to side with her. Brief background: I was in residency for general surgery (medicine was forced on me) and severely disliked it and decided to pursue my real passion- health policy. My nada and fada went ballistic and have tried to bribe, coerce, and physically force me to go back to residency. Their entire reason for trying to make me go back is I'm now " unmarriageable " and I have to go back so that someone will marry me (and then I can drop out). After 5 weeks of NC (nada's choice, I was trying for LC but it pissed her off so she gave me the silent treatment), nada texted during my medical boards. I finally called her back today. First my fada picked up and asked me how the test went so I thought it would be fine. Then he said, look we found a boy who will marry you but only if you go back to residency so you have to. And then I spent 20 min telling him I wasn't going back and I understood I wouldn't change his mind about business school but he also wasn't going to change my mind. And then I talked to my nada. When she realized she wasn't going to change my mind she said-ok well then you should take out loans (for business school) and we're going to sell your apt, furniture, and anything you leave in it. And I said that's fine if she wanted to sell the apt but it would make more sense for me to just move everything out of it (instead of renting/buying new furniture) but her only compromise was to move everything back to their home. I don't mean to sound spoiled but the only reason she even wants to sell my apt is so she can buy another multimillion dollar house. She has several of these lying around empty so it makes me bitter that she won't sell them to help finance my education (and I got a massive merit based scholarship so the remaining tuition isn't even that much). I had a condo near home for medical school and I asked her if she sold it yet and she said they were keeping it for when I finally moved home. So they are blowing almost $1000 per month on condo fees bec they're in denial. I'm so so so mad and I was trying to keep LC until the end of B school because I feel like after years of torture the least they can do is financially support me. But I'm starting to wonder if I should suck it up and take out loans and do NC. I just am so amazed that: 1. they truly don't care about my happiness 2. the only " skill " they seem to have is making me feel like crap about myself. Thanks for listening, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Wow , short answer take out the loans. *Any* dependence of any kind - financial, emotional, health - on personality disordered people is dangerous. I know sometimes circumstances get desperate and there's not much choice or that the arrangement of them paying for certain things was in place before it became clear how bad things were. I know how it stings to see there's so much plenty there and it would cost them so little to give it and mean so much to you, but they won't or else they won't without putting a massive price on it. I don't know how entangled you are with them, but the more unentangled your finances are the freer you will be to choose for yourself. Also what's this about finding a man who'll marry you? Would this be like an arranged marriage??? > > I am at my breaking point and am still somehow FLOORED by how crazy nada is and how she has gotten the entire family to side with her. > > Brief background: I was in residency for general surgery (medicine was forced on me) and severely disliked it and decided to pursue my real passion- health policy. My nada and fada went ballistic and have tried to bribe, coerce, and physically force me to go back to residency. Their entire reason for trying to make me go back is I'm now " unmarriageable " and I have to go back so that someone will marry me (and then I can drop out). > > After 5 weeks of NC (nada's choice, I was trying for LC but it pissed her off so she gave me the silent treatment), nada texted during my medical boards. I finally called her back today. First my fada picked up and asked me how the test went so I thought it would be fine. Then he said, look we found a boy who will marry you but only if you go back to residency so you have to. And then I spent 20 min telling him I wasn't going back and I understood I wouldn't change his mind about business school but he also wasn't going to change my mind. > > And then I talked to my nada. When she realized she wasn't going to change my mind she said-ok well then you should take out loans (for business school) and we're going to sell your apt, furniture, and anything you leave in it. And I said that's fine if she wanted to sell the apt but it would make more sense for me to just move everything out of it (instead of renting/buying new furniture) but her only compromise was to move everything back to their home. > > I don't mean to sound spoiled but the only reason she even wants to sell my apt is so she can buy another multimillion dollar house. She has several of these lying around empty so it makes me bitter that she won't sell them to help finance my education (and I got a massive merit based scholarship so the remaining tuition isn't even that much). I had a condo near home for medical school and I asked her if she sold it yet and she said they were keeping it for when I finally moved home. So they are blowing almost $1000 per month on condo fees bec they're in denial. > > I'm so so so mad and I was trying to keep LC until the end of B school because I feel like after years of torture the least they can do is financially support me. But I'm starting to wonder if I should suck it up and take out loans and do NC. I just am so amazed that: 1. they truly don't care about my happiness 2. the only " skill " they seem to have is making me feel like crap about myself. > > Thanks for listening, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 , Taking out loans sounds like the right answer. As long as they can use money to control you, they'll do so. They don't see you as a person who has a right to make her own choices and it seems unlikely that they ever will. Not only do they want to choose your career for you, they want to arrange a marriage for you as well. It isn't clear to me whether the problem here is all BPD or whether some of it is that your family comes from a culture where parents do things like that. Either way, you're not going to get control of your life as long as they have a great big lever to use to push you in the direction they want. At 01:47 AM 07/05/2010 cocochanel1005 wrote: >I am at my breaking point and am still somehow FLOORED by how >crazy nada is and how she has gotten the entire family to side >with her. > >Brief background: I was in residency for general surgery >(medicine was forced on me) and severely disliked it and >decided to pursue my real passion- health policy. My nada and >fada went ballistic and have tried to bribe, coerce, and >physically force me to go back to residency. Their entire >reason for trying to make me go back is I'm now > " unmarriageable " and I have to go back so that someone will >marry me (and then I can drop out). > >After 5 weeks of NC (nada's choice, I was trying for LC but it >pissed her off so she gave me the silent treatment), nada >texted during my medical boards. I finally called her back >today. First my fada picked up and asked me how the test went >so I thought it would be fine. Then he said, look we found a >boy who will marry you but only if you go back to residency so >you have to. And then I spent 20 min telling him I wasn't going >back and I understood I wouldn't change his mind about business >school but he also wasn't going to change my mind. > >And then I talked to my nada. When she realized she wasn't >going to change my mind she said-ok well then you should take >out loans (for business school) and we're going to sell your >apt, furniture, and anything you leave in it. And I said that's >fine if she wanted to sell the apt but it would make more sense >for me to just move everything out of it (instead of >renting/buying new furniture) but her only compromise was to >move everything back to their home. > >I don't mean to sound spoiled but the only reason she even >wants to sell my apt is so she can buy another multimillion >dollar house. She has several of these lying around empty so it >makes me bitter that she won't sell them to help finance my >education (and I got a massive merit based scholarship so the >remaining tuition isn't even that much). I had a condo near >home for medical school and I asked her if she sold it yet and >she said they were keeping it for when I finally moved home. So >they are blowing almost $1000 per month on condo fees bec >they're in denial. > >I'm so so so mad and I was trying to keep LC until the end of B >school because I feel like after years of torture the least >they can do is financially support me. But I'm starting to >wonder if I should suck it up and take out loans and do NC. I >just am so amazed that: 1. they truly don't care about my >happiness 2. the only " skill " they seem to have is making me >feel like crap about myself. > >Thanks for listening, > -- Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Oh . Oh, my heart goes out to you! I have had an extremely similar experience. I'm just finishing up a PhD in my own field, now. I watched, confused and hurt, as my parents spent hudreds of thousands of dollars on houses and cars and luxury vacations (including gifst for my split good sister) but kept me in debt and refused to meaningfully contribute to my career OR my financial independence, instead denigrating my work (which is as serious as yours), obsessing over me being 'not worthy' of a man/kids, and using their financial power over me to exploit me into affirming their reality, and bowing to their whims du jour. I want to tell you that I was not able to actually finish my degree until I became completely independent of them, financially. At first it seemed completely impossible. They had it set up--on PURPOSE--that I would have to make extreme sacrfices and lifestyle changes if I were to rip myself from them. I did it anyway. I think it's thrown them for a loop. You may, like me, have a narcissistic father who does not want you to succeed, who is trying not to 'allow' you financial independence; basic independence. If there is a way for you to fully finance yourself at this point--FULLY--I am here to bear witness that even the most extreme steps are fully worth it. I wish someone had said to me--take a good luck at your budget. Elimate all unnecessary expenses. Try to use credit cards as little as possible. Get a roommate. Don't worry about buying 'luxury' clothes or keeping your hair perfectly hilighted in attempt to prove your worth as a potential 'wife' (I'll be you are getting pressure on this front, too). Consult with financial officers at school or whatever help you can. This is extremely important. I cannot stress it enough. The ONLY way to empower yourself to act against their will is to become completely independent of them, financially. I kept trying to please them, and kept holding on for SO long, trying to get the carrots they held out, that by the time I broke free the FIRE they had set up for me to walk through was so huge that I almost burnt up--and my pet did die, and my finances were entirely destroyed. It was worth it, and I would do it again, but if I hadn't waited so long to stand firmly on my own two feet, not waiting for THEM to be pleased enough to 'free' me, or for the 'husband' they insisted would free me if I was only worthy like my sister was--if I had stopped waiting earlier, then things would not have died for me to get free now, then things would be SO much easier for me now. Instead I am crawling to the finish line, my entire past life and financial health completely destroyed. I will be your cheering squad here, . You can do this! Public health policy is so extremely important. It is about saving lives. That is more important than nada's lustful self-obsession and greedy need to harm and control you. Good luck. Keep us posted, please. Best wishes, Charlie > > I am at my breaking point and am still somehow FLOORED by how crazy nada is and how she has gotten the entire family to side with her. > > Brief background: I was in residency for general surgery (medicine was forced on me) and severely disliked it and decided to pursue my real passion- health policy. My nada and fada went ballistic and have tried to bribe, coerce, and physically force me to go back to residency. Their entire reason for trying to make me go back is I'm now " unmarriageable " and I have to go back so that someone will marry me (and then I can drop out). > > After 5 weeks of NC (nada's choice, I was trying for LC but it pissed her off so she gave me the silent treatment), nada texted during my medical boards. I finally called her back today. First my fada picked up and asked me how the test went so I thought it would be fine. Then he said, look we found a boy who will marry you but only if you go back to residency so you have to. And then I spent 20 min telling him I wasn't going back and I understood I wouldn't change his mind about business school but he also wasn't going to change my mind. > > And then I talked to my nada. When she realized she wasn't going to change my mind she said-ok well then you should take out loans (for business school) and we're going to sell your apt, furniture, and anything you leave in it. And I said that's fine if she wanted to sell the apt but it would make more sense for me to just move everything out of it (instead of renting/buying new furniture) but her only compromise was to move everything back to their home. > > I don't mean to sound spoiled but the only reason she even wants to sell my apt is so she can buy another multimillion dollar house. She has several of these lying around empty so it makes me bitter that she won't sell them to help finance my education (and I got a massive merit based scholarship so the remaining tuition isn't even that much). I had a condo near home for medical school and I asked her if she sold it yet and she said they were keeping it for when I finally moved home. So they are blowing almost $1000 per month on condo fees bec they're in denial. > > I'm so so so mad and I was trying to keep LC until the end of B school because I feel like after years of torture the least they can do is financially support me. But I'm starting to wonder if I should suck it up and take out loans and do NC. I just am so amazed that: 1. they truly don't care about my happiness 2. the only " skill " they seem to have is making me feel like crap about myself. > > Thanks for listening, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Hi everyone, Thank you so much for your posts. Charlie, I think you nailed a lot of specifically what bothered me about the situation- the fact that nada and fada have so much excess that they shower on my brother (poss bpd) who is unemployed and has never worked a day in his life...but refuse to support me. You also nailed a lot of the emotions they evoke- the fact that they make me feel unworthy for anyone. I went to a party right after my conversation with nada and fada and there was a cute boy who I kept making eyes with all night. I couldn't bring myself to talk to him though because I feel so broken and trapped in such a crazy world!! It also drives me crazy that nada controls all the expenses when she's ridiculously irresponsible and has also never worked a day in her life. I was planning on calling fada to see if he truly wanted me to take out loans but the more I think about it the more I just want to get the h*ll out of this situation. I've been looking at loans but it's kind of ridiculous! The amt my school estimates for housing doesn't even cover living in their dorms and banks won't loan more than the estimated amount. I'm thinking about mass selling everything I possibly can to help make up the difference. My situation is similar to yours, Charlie. My nada and fada have enmeshed me in such a way that it's going to be hard to break free. Nada and I dually own my condo right now (that she's decided to sell) so I am going to have to be in touch again at some point when they sell. I'm still in shock at how much she's gotten fada to believe all this crap. I just really can't believe that I have no allies. Having your whole family turn against you makes you feel like you must be doing something really bad...like being a drug addict turned to prostitution. But no, they're turning against me because I want to pursue higher education. Sigh. And to those who asked- yes, they do want me in an arranged marriage and it's partly cultural (for them) but few (if any) of their friends have continued that tradition with their kids. They have chosen to continue *only the controlling parts of the culture and none of the rest of it (no honoring holidays or going to temple etc). I just can't believe that I've been expecting things to get slightly better and instead they've gotten drastically worse. > > > > I am at my breaking point and am still somehow FLOORED by how crazy nada is and how she has gotten the entire family to side with her. > > > > Brief background: I was in residency for general surgery (medicine was forced on me) and severely disliked it and decided to pursue my real passion- health policy. My nada and fada went ballistic and have tried to bribe, coerce, and physically force me to go back to residency. Their entire reason for trying to make me go back is I'm now " unmarriageable " and I have to go back so that someone will marry me (and then I can drop out). > > > > After 5 weeks of NC (nada's choice, I was trying for LC but it pissed her off so she gave me the silent treatment), nada texted during my medical boards. I finally called her back today. First my fada picked up and asked me how the test went so I thought it would be fine. Then he said, look we found a boy who will marry you but only if you go back to residency so you have to. And then I spent 20 min telling him I wasn't going back and I understood I wouldn't change his mind about business school but he also wasn't going to change my mind. > > > > And then I talked to my nada. When she realized she wasn't going to change my mind she said-ok well then you should take out loans (for business school) and we're going to sell your apt, furniture, and anything you leave in it. And I said that's fine if she wanted to sell the apt but it would make more sense for me to just move everything out of it (instead of renting/buying new furniture) but her only compromise was to move everything back to their home. > > > > I don't mean to sound spoiled but the only reason she even wants to sell my apt is so she can buy another multimillion dollar house. She has several of these lying around empty so it makes me bitter that she won't sell them to help finance my education (and I got a massive merit based scholarship so the remaining tuition isn't even that much). I had a condo near home for medical school and I asked her if she sold it yet and she said they were keeping it for when I finally moved home. So they are blowing almost $1000 per month on condo fees bec they're in denial. > > > > I'm so so so mad and I was trying to keep LC until the end of B school because I feel like after years of torture the least they can do is financially support me. But I'm starting to wonder if I should suck it up and take out loans and do NC. I just am so amazed that: 1. they truly don't care about my happiness 2. the only " skill " they seem to have is making me feel like crap about myself. > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Hi , I, too come from a culture where forceful objectification of women is a big theme. In my case, it was old-fashioned Catholicism--and of course it manifests there in very different ways from each unique non-Western country, but it's amazing how very similar the root-level themes can be. Judith Herman's 'Trauma and Recovery' does an excellent job of identifying the root-level themes of captivity and exploitation, finding the same undercurrent in violent dictatorships, political prisoners, concentration camps, cults, violent husbands, and families where child abuse is institutionalized in a 'captivity' theme. Not all children of BPDs encounter this dynamic, but in my case, my father was a severe and passively violent narcissist who used money as his weapon, and so I experienced an upbringing 'in captivity', so to speak, with the pressure on me to 'prove' myself as a woman through financial submission. Whis is strangely complex when they throw you out into the public sphere, especially at the professional level. It's an excellent mask for them, and hard to explain to people that they really hope and expect for you to fail--or, if you 'succeed', to do it under their wing. About selling stuff--I want you to know that I hear you fully on excatly how extreme the situation is. It makes it even harder because we are so disenfranchised--it looks like we come from 'affluence', how would people understand? A few months ago, I found myself selling gold jewelry that had been given to me as a child. It was extremely painful and humiliating. My FOO had also set it up that if I defied them, I had to lose ALL family support. They set it up on PURPOSE this way, . They are not expecting that you would ever have the strength to break free. They think you will be obsessed with the same materialism as them, and that you could not possibly bear to make sacrifices or accept 'lesser' goods, and so they can treat you however they want. They are attempting to exploit greed and pride and fear in you. Don't let them! I found that, when you really bite the bullet and do what you KNOW is right in your heart, angels start crawling out of the woodwork. If you try this, you will find that too. They will NOT be able to offer you the 'luxury' that nada and fada have in the past--but they will help you get through. All that being said, though, I have to say, try not to be too hard on yourself if it takes a long time for you to put this knowledge into practice. It is HARD. It is beyond hard. It can take many years to gather up the real understanding, in your gut, that you HAVE to make the cut. It can take false attempts. I realized in my mind that a cut was necessary some 2-3 years, before I realized in my gut that I HAD to. And I also made many misguided and even dangerous attempts along the way, trying to find easy ways out, trusting the wrong people. These things can only be done in your own time. But I want to say that I support you every step of the way, and I pray that you will NOT have to go through as much as I did. Also, if you have a pet, I would say, but it health insurance NOW--whatever cusions of any kind you can set up now, DO--because you can expect every possible unexpected expense to come raining down upon you the minute you try and break free. It's just how it works. Best wishes, Charlie > > > > > > I am at my breaking point and am still somehow FLOORED by how crazy nada is and how she has gotten the entire family to side with her. > > > > > > Brief background: I was in residency for general surgery (medicine was forced on me) and severely disliked it and decided to pursue my real passion- health policy. My nada and fada went ballistic and have tried to bribe, coerce, and physically force me to go back to residency. Their entire reason for trying to make me go back is I'm now " unmarriageable " and I have to go back so that someone will marry me (and then I can drop out). > > > > > > After 5 weeks of NC (nada's choice, I was trying for LC but it pissed her off so she gave me the silent treatment), nada texted during my medical boards. I finally called her back today. First my fada picked up and asked me how the test went so I thought it would be fine. Then he said, look we found a boy who will marry you but only if you go back to residency so you have to. And then I spent 20 min telling him I wasn't going back and I understood I wouldn't change his mind about business school but he also wasn't going to change my mind. > > > > > > And then I talked to my nada. When she realized she wasn't going to change my mind she said-ok well then you should take out loans (for business school) and we're going to sell your apt, furniture, and anything you leave in it. And I said that's fine if she wanted to sell the apt but it would make more sense for me to just move everything out of it (instead of renting/buying new furniture) but her only compromise was to move everything back to their home. > > > > > > I don't mean to sound spoiled but the only reason she even wants to sell my apt is so she can buy another multimillion dollar house. She has several of these lying around empty so it makes me bitter that she won't sell them to help finance my education (and I got a massive merit based scholarship so the remaining tuition isn't even that much). I had a condo near home for medical school and I asked her if she sold it yet and she said they were keeping it for when I finally moved home. So they are blowing almost $1000 per month on condo fees bec they're in denial. > > > > > > I'm so so so mad and I was trying to keep LC until the end of B school because I feel like after years of torture the least they can do is financially support me. But I'm starting to wonder if I should suck it up and take out loans and do NC. I just am so amazed that: 1. they truly don't care about my happiness 2. the only " skill " they seem to have is making me feel like crap about myself. > > > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 that is a really beautiful post. I am so sorry that you lost your pet in the course of all of the breaking free. I am glad you shared your experience that it can be done. I agree with what everyone has said, cochanel should take out the loans, this is destructive to her emotional and mental health. Many hugs. > > > > I am at my breaking point and am still somehow FLOORED by how crazy nada is and how she has gotten the entire family to side with her. > > > > Brief background: I was in residency for general surgery (medicine was forced on me) and severely disliked it and decided to pursue my real passion- health policy. My nada and fada went ballistic and have tried to bribe, coerce, and physically force me to go back to residency. Their entire reason for trying to make me go back is I'm now " unmarriageable " and I have to go back so that someone will marry me (and then I can drop out). > > > > After 5 weeks of NC (nada's choice, I was trying for LC but it pissed her off so she gave me the silent treatment), nada texted during my medical boards. I finally called her back today. First my fada picked up and asked me how the test went so I thought it would be fine. Then he said, look we found a boy who will marry you but only if you go back to residency so you have to. And then I spent 20 min telling him I wasn't going back and I understood I wouldn't change his mind about business school but he also wasn't going to change my mind. > > > > And then I talked to my nada. When she realized she wasn't going to change my mind she said-ok well then you should take out loans (for business school) and we're going to sell your apt, furniture, and anything you leave in it. And I said that's fine if she wanted to sell the apt but it would make more sense for me to just move everything out of it (instead of renting/buying new furniture) but her only compromise was to move everything back to their home. > > > > I don't mean to sound spoiled but the only reason she even wants to sell my apt is so she can buy another multimillion dollar house. She has several of these lying around empty so it makes me bitter that she won't sell them to help finance my education (and I got a massive merit based scholarship so the remaining tuition isn't even that much). I had a condo near home for medical school and I asked her if she sold it yet and she said they were keeping it for when I finally moved home. So they are blowing almost $1000 per month on condo fees bec they're in denial. > > > > I'm so so so mad and I was trying to keep LC until the end of B school because I feel like after years of torture the least they can do is financially support me. But I'm starting to wonder if I should suck it up and take out loans and do NC. I just am so amazed that: 1. they truly don't care about my happiness 2. the only " skill " they seem to have is making me feel like crap about myself. > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I totally second what false says. Don't take money because you'll OWE them (in their minds). Love is conditional for them, and that is part of the insanity. If you try to keep contact for the sake of the loans, you will lose your freedom for it. I ended up having to go NC and complete school with grants, scholarship, and work. I utterly value the experience for the character it grew in me. Tina > > Take out the loans. Money from Nada always comes with strings attached. > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: WTOAdultChildren1 > Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 1:47:02 AM > Subject: Am at my breaking point- please help! > >  > I am at my breaking point and am still somehow FLOORED by how crazy nada is and how she has gotten the entire family to side with her. > > Brief background: I was in residency for general surgery (medicine was forced on me) and severely disliked it and decided to pursue my real passion- health policy. My nada and fada went ballistic and have tried to bribe, coerce, and physically force me to go back to residency. Their entire reason for trying to make me go back is I'm now " unmarriageable " and I have to go back so that someone will marry me (and then I can drop out). > > After 5 weeks of NC (nada's choice, I was trying for LC but it pissed her off so she gave me the silent treatment), nada texted during my medical boards. I finally called her back today. First my fada picked up and asked me how the test went so I thought it would be fine. Then he said, look we found a boy who will marry you but only if you go back to residency so you have to. And then I spent 20 min telling him I wasn't going back and I understood I wouldn't change his mind about business school but he also wasn't going to change my mind. > > And then I talked to my nada. When she realized she wasn't going to change my mind she said-ok well then you should take out loans (for business school) and we're going to sell your apt, furniture, and anything you leave in it. And I said that's fine if she wanted to sell the apt but it would make more sense for me to just move everything out of it (instead of renting/buying new furniture) but her only compromise was to move everything back to their home. > > I don't mean to sound spoiled but the only reason she even wants to sell my apt is so she can buy another multimillion dollar house. She has several of these lying around empty so it makes me bitter that she won't sell them to help finance my education (and I got a massive merit based scholarship so the remaining tuition isn't even that much). I had a condo near home for medical school and I asked her if she sold it yet and she said they were keeping it for when I finally moved home. So they are blowing almost $1000 per month on condo fees bec they're in denial. > > I'm so so so mad and I was trying to keep LC until the end of B school because I feel like after years of torture the least they can do is financially support me. But I'm starting to wonder if I should suck it up and take out loans and do NC. I just am so amazed that: 1. they truly don't care about my happiness 2. the only " skill " they seem to have is making me feel like crap about myself. > > Thanks for listening, > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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