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I finally made the decision to end all contact once and for all with my BP

mother a year and a half ago and changed my phone number, address and all

identifying information that might lead her to me. Lately, I've been overcome

with thoughts that she might have finally succeeded at one of the countless

suicide attempts she has made throughout my life and this thought has been

bringing up all of that old fear, obligation and guilt. I've begun the habit of

searching for an obituary and death certificate on her and have even begun

experiencing " hauntings. " (She'd threatened me since I was tiny that she would

haunt me after death, and the thing is, I do not believe in this sort of

phenomenon.) Such is the power of FOG, I suppose.

My mother was the classic Witch BPD, if you're familiar. She was especially

violent and abusive. I was taken from her at the age of 14, after someone

witnessed a beating, and did not hear from her throughout high school. She

contacted me at graduation and asked me to return to her. I gave up better

college opportunities and did so. The ensuing years with her were hell. She is

comorbid with bipolar disorder and was once considered schizotypal, but it may

be that either the BP or bipolar disorders are especially severe in that she has

frequent psychotic episodes. She has always seen and spoken to " dead people. "

She is dual diagnosed - an alcoholic (more recently) and addicted to

prescription pain killers (30+ years).

My mother has fired guns in my direction beginning at around 5 or 6 years old

(and has an arrest record for nearly killing one of her husbands this way)

simply to frighten and torment me. She was directly complicit in my childhood

sexual abuse. I have an older brother that she simply gave up for adoption.

Still, I served as her caretaker, the person who attempted to ensure that she

was physically and emotionally as well as she could be. Despite her

retaliations, I carried her medical and mental health histories in desperate

hope that someone would be willing to help her (she always managed to sabotage

any help that might be forthcoming). Because I was the one who called EMS

whenever there was a suicide attempt, I was blamed for the ensuing

hospitalizations and whatever " abuses " she felt she had to endure there (such as

being relieved of an under wire bra and made subject to the stares of men who

worked there. She was certain I'd done this deliberately to victimize her and

make her subject to potential rape).

I really could go on, but this is long enough. All of you know what I am

talking about. I'm glad that I found this space, and I really don't know why I

hadn't looked for it sooner. I'd thought that I was healthfully past the issues

surrounding my mother a long time ago, but recently, issues of PTSD have been

cropping up for me. At 34, and being a mother to a daughter myself, I'm

interested in doing whatever I can to heal.

Thanks to all of you for being here and sharing what you do.

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I know what you mean about feeling haunted.

I went two years NC from my own nada. It was really hard at first, because I

could never ever stop thinking about it. Nada was with me all the time no matter

what I was doing. I couldn't enjoy anything about life because nada was hanging

out in the back of my mind like a ghost that won't go away.

It does get easier, with time.

You just have to constantly remind yourself that you haven't done anything wrong

by going NC. You are protecting yourself and your own children from someone who

is both emotionally and physically damaging. Sounds like your nada does more

harm than good.

I hope that you soon find peace. I know that is all I want when I can't get nada

out of my head. Just peace. You will find it.

~Sara Jo

>

> I finally made the decision to end all contact once and for all with my BP

> mother a year and a half ago and changed my phone number, address and all

> identifying information that might lead her to me. Lately, I've been overcome

> with thoughts that she might have finally succeeded at one of the countless

> suicide attempts she has made throughout my life and this thought has been

> bringing up all of that old fear, obligation and guilt. I've begun the habit

of

> searching for an obituary and death certificate on her and have even begun

> experiencing " hauntings. " (She'd threatened me since I was tiny that she

would

> haunt me after death, and the thing is, I do not believe in this sort of

> phenomenon.) Such is the power of FOG, I suppose.

>

> My mother was the classic Witch BPD, if you're familiar. She was especially

> violent and abusive. I was taken from her at the age of 14, after someone

> witnessed a beating, and did not hear from her throughout high school. She

> contacted me at graduation and asked me to return to her. I gave up better

> college opportunities and did so. The ensuing years with her were hell. She

is

> comorbid with bipolar disorder and was once considered schizotypal, but it may

> be that either the BP or bipolar disorders are especially severe in that she

has

> frequent psychotic episodes. She has always seen and spoken to " dead people. "

> She is dual diagnosed - an alcoholic (more recently) and addicted to

> prescription pain killers (30+ years).

>

> My mother has fired guns in my direction beginning at around 5 or 6 years old

> (and has an arrest record for nearly killing one of her husbands this way)

> simply to frighten and torment me. She was directly complicit in my childhood

> sexual abuse. I have an older brother that she simply gave up for adoption.

> Still, I served as her caretaker, the person who attempted to ensure that she

> was physically and emotionally as well as she could be. Despite her

> retaliations, I carried her medical and mental health histories in desperate

> hope that someone would be willing to help her (she always managed to sabotage

> any help that might be forthcoming). Because I was the one who called EMS

> whenever there was a suicide attempt, I was blamed for the ensuing

> hospitalizations and whatever " abuses " she felt she had to endure there (such

as

> being relieved of an under wire bra and made subject to the stares of men who

> worked there. She was certain I'd done this deliberately to victimize her and

> make her subject to potential rape).

>

> I really could go on, but this is long enough. All of you know what I am

> talking about. I'm glad that I found this space, and I really don't know why

I

> hadn't looked for it sooner. I'd thought that I was healthfully past the

issues

> surrounding my mother a long time ago, but recently, issues of PTSD have been

> cropping up for me. At 34, and being a mother to a daughter myself, I'm

> interested in doing whatever I can to heal.

>

> Thanks to all of you for being here and sharing what you do.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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there are meditations you can do where you focus on pulling white light down

through your head and letting it flow through your body into the ground, or from

the ground up into your body. it inspires a feeling of positivity and warmth and

protection. I am very sorry that you are having these feelings and it might be

worth getting a private investigator to confirm it one way or the other so you

know for sure. I sincerely hope if your mother has passed on that it is to a

place of growth and not staying stuck on her mistakes of this life. that would

be a tragedy on top of a tragedy. It's seems to me a bit strange that someone

who does things like this is diganosed bpd when it seems much more severe than

that, like psychotic. Sometimes it seems to me that with mothers in particular

they would be called psychotic if they did these things to anyone but their own

children.

>

> I finally made the decision to end all contact once and for all with my BP

> mother a year and a half ago and changed my phone number, address and all

> identifying information that might lead her to me. Lately, I've been overcome

> with thoughts that she might have finally succeeded at one of the countless

> suicide attempts she has made throughout my life and this thought has been

> bringing up all of that old fear, obligation and guilt. I've begun the habit

of

> searching for an obituary and death certificate on her and have even begun

> experiencing " hauntings. " (She'd threatened me since I was tiny that she

would

> haunt me after death, and the thing is, I do not believe in this sort of

> phenomenon.) Such is the power of FOG, I suppose.

>

> My mother was the classic Witch BPD, if you're familiar. She was especially

> violent and abusive. I was taken from her at the age of 14, after someone

> witnessed a beating, and did not hear from her throughout high school. She

> contacted me at graduation and asked me to return to her. I gave up better

> college opportunities and did so. The ensuing years with her were hell. She

is

> comorbid with bipolar disorder and was once considered schizotypal, but it may

> be that either the BP or bipolar disorders are especially severe in that she

has

> frequent psychotic episodes. She has always seen and spoken to " dead people. "

> She is dual diagnosed - an alcoholic (more recently) and addicted to

> prescription pain killers (30+ years).

>

> My mother has fired guns in my direction beginning at around 5 or 6 years old

> (and has an arrest record for nearly killing one of her husbands this way)

> simply to frighten and torment me. She was directly complicit in my childhood

> sexual abuse. I have an older brother that she simply gave up for adoption.

> Still, I served as her caretaker, the person who attempted to ensure that she

> was physically and emotionally as well as she could be. Despite her

> retaliations, I carried her medical and mental health histories in desperate

> hope that someone would be willing to help her (she always managed to sabotage

> any help that might be forthcoming). Because I was the one who called EMS

> whenever there was a suicide attempt, I was blamed for the ensuing

> hospitalizations and whatever " abuses " she felt she had to endure there (such

as

> being relieved of an under wire bra and made subject to the stares of men who

> worked there. She was certain I'd done this deliberately to victimize her and

> make her subject to potential rape).

>

> I really could go on, but this is long enough. All of you know what I am

> talking about. I'm glad that I found this space, and I really don't know why

I

> hadn't looked for it sooner. I'd thought that I was healthfully past the

issues

> surrounding my mother a long time ago, but recently, issues of PTSD have been

> cropping up for me. At 34, and being a mother to a daughter myself, I'm

> interested in doing whatever I can to heal.

>

> Thanks to all of you for being here and sharing what you do.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I second/third the idea of hiring someone to find out too for sure. Deaths are

public record so it's shouldn't be too hard to find out. It's a testament to

how strong and how biological the mother/child bond is that you can feel *any*

FOG at all given the history you've shared with us. You absolutely for your

safety and sanity needed her away from you.

I'm very much into the woo-woo side of things and I'm also a believer in the

placebo affect. Even if you don't believe in spirits and hauntings, it still

might help you to reach some sort of psychological closure to have a religious

person of your persuasion do some sort of ritual for your protection and

separation. If she's died, most religions have ritual or ceremony to help the

spirit move on and help the living let go. Just an idea.

good luck,

julie

>

> I finally made the decision to end all contact once and for all with my BP

> mother a year and a half ago and changed my phone number, address and all

> identifying information that might lead her to me. Lately, I've been overcome

> with thoughts that she might have finally succeeded at one of the countless

> suicide attempts she has made throughout my life and this thought has been

> bringing up all of that old fear, obligation and guilt. I've begun the habit

of

> searching for an obituary and death certificate on her and have even begun

> experiencing " hauntings. " (She'd threatened me since I was tiny that she

would

> haunt me after death, and the thing is, I do not believe in this sort of

> phenomenon.) Such is the power of FOG, I suppose.

>

> My mother was the classic Witch BPD, if you're familiar. She was especially

> violent and abusive. I was taken from her at the age of 14, after someone

> witnessed a beating, and did not hear from her throughout high school. She

> contacted me at graduation and asked me to return to her. I gave up better

> college opportunities and did so. The ensuing years with her were hell. She

is

> comorbid with bipolar disorder and was once considered schizotypal, but it may

> be that either the BP or bipolar disorders are especially severe in that she

has

> frequent psychotic episodes. She has always seen and spoken to " dead people. "

> She is dual diagnosed - an alcoholic (more recently) and addicted to

> prescription pain killers (30+ years).

>

> My mother has fired guns in my direction beginning at around 5 or 6 years old

> (and has an arrest record for nearly killing one of her husbands this way)

> simply to frighten and torment me. She was directly complicit in my childhood

> sexual abuse. I have an older brother that she simply gave up for adoption.

> Still, I served as her caretaker, the person who attempted to ensure that she

> was physically and emotionally as well as she could be. Despite her

> retaliations, I carried her medical and mental health histories in desperate

> hope that someone would be willing to help her (she always managed to sabotage

> any help that might be forthcoming). Because I was the one who called EMS

> whenever there was a suicide attempt, I was blamed for the ensuing

> hospitalizations and whatever " abuses " she felt she had to endure there (such

as

> being relieved of an under wire bra and made subject to the stares of men who

> worked there. She was certain I'd done this deliberately to victimize her and

> make her subject to potential rape).

>

> I really could go on, but this is long enough. All of you know what I am

> talking about. I'm glad that I found this space, and I really don't know why

I

> hadn't looked for it sooner. I'd thought that I was healthfully past the

issues

> surrounding my mother a long time ago, but recently, issues of PTSD have been

> cropping up for me. At 34, and being a mother to a daughter myself, I'm

> interested in doing whatever I can to heal.

>

> Thanks to all of you for being here and sharing what you do.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hang in there! I just went NC again/final and am dealing w/ similar feelings of

wanting to find out...because of similar caretaker situations, etc..

Of course you will feel like you are still responsible and have these feelings

because you are the person who " let go " but I think it is important to

continually remind yourself that you put up with and did more than anyone would

ever expect you to, considering your background, and that you are literally

escaping with your life.

You are better off away, and staying out of contact, even if you do decide to

investigate for your own peace of mind. It is more important for you to be a

strong, supportive parent for your own child, rather than continue to be locked

into being someone else's child/caretaker forever. Glad you are getting control

and freedom; you will feel better and easier with your decision in time when you

have less real trauma on a daily basis. I did before, got sucked back in even

though i knew better and now am happy to be done for good. I know that with time

and therapy that guilt of letting her go will subside. I look forward to getting

there again and I am wishing it for you, too!

> >

> > I finally made the decision to end all contact once and for all with my BP

> > mother a year and a half ago and changed my phone number, address and all

> > identifying information that might lead her to me. Lately, I've been

overcome

> > with thoughts that she might have finally succeeded at one of the countless

> > suicide attempts she has made throughout my life and this thought has been

> > bringing up all of that old fear, obligation and guilt. I've begun the

habit of

> > searching for an obituary and death certificate on her and have even begun

> > experiencing " hauntings. " (She'd threatened me since I was tiny that she

would

> > haunt me after death, and the thing is, I do not believe in this sort of

> > phenomenon.) Such is the power of FOG, I suppose.

> >

> > My mother was the classic Witch BPD, if you're familiar. She was especially

> > violent and abusive. I was taken from her at the age of 14, after someone

> > witnessed a beating, and did not hear from her throughout high school. She

> > contacted me at graduation and asked me to return to her. I gave up better

> > college opportunities and did so. The ensuing years with her were hell.

She is

> > comorbid with bipolar disorder and was once considered schizotypal, but it

may

> > be that either the BP or bipolar disorders are especially severe in that she

has

> > frequent psychotic episodes. She has always seen and spoken to " dead

people. "

> > She is dual diagnosed - an alcoholic (more recently) and addicted to

> > prescription pain killers (30+ years).

> >

> > My mother has fired guns in my direction beginning at around 5 or 6 years

old

> > (and has an arrest record for nearly killing one of her husbands this way)

> > simply to frighten and torment me. She was directly complicit in my

childhood

> > sexual abuse. I have an older brother that she simply gave up for adoption.

> > Still, I served as her caretaker, the person who attempted to ensure that

she

> > was physically and emotionally as well as she could be. Despite her

> > retaliations, I carried her medical and mental health histories in desperate

> > hope that someone would be willing to help her (she always managed to

sabotage

> > any help that might be forthcoming). Because I was the one who called EMS

> > whenever there was a suicide attempt, I was blamed for the ensuing

> > hospitalizations and whatever " abuses " she felt she had to endure there

(such as

> > being relieved of an under wire bra and made subject to the stares of men

who

> > worked there. She was certain I'd done this deliberately to victimize her

and

> > make her subject to potential rape).

> >

> > I really could go on, but this is long enough. All of you know what I am

> > talking about. I'm glad that I found this space, and I really don't know

why I

> > hadn't looked for it sooner. I'd thought that I was healthfully past the

issues

> > surrounding my mother a long time ago, but recently, issues of PTSD have

been

> > cropping up for me. At 34, and being a mother to a daughter myself, I'm

> > interested in doing whatever I can to heal.

> >

> > Thanks to all of you for being here and sharing what you do.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Thank you so much for this response. These words in particular stood out to me:

" Of course you will feel like you are still responsible and have these feelings

because you are the person who " let go " but I think it is important to

continually remind yourself that you put up with and did more than anyone would

ever expect you to, considering your background, and that you are literally

escaping with your life. "

The circumstances surrounding my final declaration of NC (which was less

declaration than action) was such that my mother had made another death threat

to me and my family and I found myself calling my local police and then giving

her photograph to my workplace and my daughter's school. Because of how violent

and erratic she had proven herself to be, I couldn't take any chances. I was

embarrassed to have to do it, and of course, terrified that she might act on it.

But more, I was deeply angry that she was forcing me to do something like this.

I vowed never again. Before this, I had served as her sole advocate. The only

person who could get others to see that she didn't mean her words or actions;

that she had a " brain disease. "

Today, I'm of the opinion that she is responsible for her words and actions and

that her illness does not exonerate her. What you said really hit me. I put up

with more than any daughter should be expected to (far more than I would ever

wish upon my own daughter) and I did, yes, literally escape with my life.

The thoughts that trip me up regarding her are when I think about how, if she is

still living, she will become one of the profoundly mentally ill living in

poverty who will then reach her senior years. Who will care for her? She has

alienated everyone who would otherwise be there for her, and our nation is not

prepared to do this. This is what I have to work on letting go.

Thank you again for these responses and for this space. Reading all of you here

has helped tremendously. I must have suffered a seriously myopic view to

imagine I was the only one!

> > >

> > > I finally made the decision to end all contact once and for all with my BP

> > > mother a year and a half ago and changed my phone number, address and all

> > > identifying information that might lead her to me. Lately, I've been

overcome

> > > with thoughts that she might have finally succeeded at one of the

countless

> > > suicide attempts she has made throughout my life and this thought has been

> > > bringing up all of that old fear, obligation and guilt. I've begun the

habit of

> > > searching for an obituary and death certificate on her and have even begun

> > > experiencing " hauntings. " (She'd threatened me since I was tiny that she

would

> > > haunt me after death, and the thing is, I do not believe in this sort of

> > > phenomenon.) Such is the power of FOG, I suppose.

> > >

> > > My mother was the classic Witch BPD, if you're familiar. She was

especially

> > > violent and abusive. I was taken from her at the age of 14, after someone

> > > witnessed a beating, and did not hear from her throughout high school.

She

> > > contacted me at graduation and asked me to return to her. I gave up

better

> > > college opportunities and did so. The ensuing years with her were hell.

She is

> > > comorbid with bipolar disorder and was once considered schizotypal, but it

may

> > > be that either the BP or bipolar disorders are especially severe in that

she has

> > > frequent psychotic episodes. She has always seen and spoken to " dead

people. "

> > > She is dual diagnosed - an alcoholic (more recently) and addicted to

> > > prescription pain killers (30+ years).

> > >

> > > My mother has fired guns in my direction beginning at around 5 or 6 years

old

> > > (and has an arrest record for nearly killing one of her husbands this way)

> > > simply to frighten and torment me. She was directly complicit in my

childhood

> > > sexual abuse. I have an older brother that she simply gave up for

adoption.

> > > Still, I served as her caretaker, the person who attempted to ensure that

she

> > > was physically and emotionally as well as she could be. Despite her

> > > retaliations, I carried her medical and mental health histories in

desperate

> > > hope that someone would be willing to help her (she always managed to

sabotage

> > > any help that might be forthcoming). Because I was the one who called EMS

> > > whenever there was a suicide attempt, I was blamed for the ensuing

> > > hospitalizations and whatever " abuses " she felt she had to endure there

(such as

> > > being relieved of an under wire bra and made subject to the stares of men

who

> > > worked there. She was certain I'd done this deliberately to victimize her

and

> > > make her subject to potential rape).

> > >

> > > I really could go on, but this is long enough. All of you know what I am

> > > talking about. I'm glad that I found this space, and I really don't know

why I

> > > hadn't looked for it sooner. I'd thought that I was healthfully past the

issues

> > > surrounding my mother a long time ago, but recently, issues of PTSD have

been

> > > cropping up for me. At 34, and being a mother to a daughter myself, I'm

> > > interested in doing whatever I can to heal.

> > >

> > > Thanks to all of you for being here and sharing what you do.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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