Re: Mel Gibson is my Father Reincarnated

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

Sorry to hear things are a bit tough at the moment. You have always been

helpful to me in stressed times when you are strong. I am in a very good place

at the moment and I think it is constant work on our behalf. As you know I too

have a business and family and work very hard on my personal growth.

Like you, if I spiral down it is when I am not eating right, getting rest,

exercising and taking out time for MYSELF.

It really is as basic as that for me. I have started to do more creative

courses and getting to know what " I " like. Filling my tank up so to speak. Life

is very demanding.

It is one step forward and two back sometimes but I think we never go back as

far as we use to.

I pray for guidence and strength too when under stress. It seems that

eventually I get guided to something that I need at that moment to get me

through.

Take care,

Kazam x

>

> Has anyone heard the recent Mel Gibson tape? OMG this is exactly how my Father

would rant to my Mother. He is clearly BPD. So sad really to be so wealthy and

still not have the ability or insight for healing. My Father would rant and rant

like this, sometimes for days on end.

>

> To everyone here....I have been trying to put a lot of time into work so I can

keep my business going. Sadly, all the stress has me gaining weight again

because I stop thinking and start eating " whatever " is handy to just keep going.

So life for me right now is tough because I don't feel like I have a lot choice

but to keep going so I stop attending to my emotional and physical needs. I'm

in survival gear. I'm happy I have a survival gear and that I don't just

breakdown but if I don't stay on plan I will be less able to function. I'm no

spring chicken. I'll be 55 this year. So my question is does anyone else go

into an unhealthy automatic gear when under stress, and if so, how have you

overcome that?

>

> Anyway, hello to everyone!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kazam,

Thanks for the ideas.. I did pick-up a mystery paperback. I know, not very tank

filling but reading does help to take my mind off the business.lol Thanks for

reminding me to rest and exercise too. Often times when I work long hours

that's the first thing to go. Thank you for your support.

> >

> > Has anyone heard the recent Mel Gibson tape? OMG this is exactly how my

Father would rant to my Mother. He is clearly BPD. So sad really to be so

wealthy and still not have the ability or insight for healing. My Father would

rant and rant like this, sometimes for days on end.

> >

> > To everyone here....I have been trying to put a lot of time into work so I

can keep my business going. Sadly, all the stress has me gaining weight again

because I stop thinking and start eating " whatever " is handy to just keep going.

So life for me right now is tough because I don't feel like I have a lot choice

but to keep going so I stop attending to my emotional and physical needs. I'm

in survival gear. I'm happy I have a survival gear and that I don't just

breakdown but if I don't stay on plan I will be less able to function. I'm no

spring chicken. I'll be 55 this year. So my question is does anyone else go

into an unhealthy automatic gear when under stress, and if so, how have you

overcome that?

> >

> > Anyway, hello to everyone!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hang in there Carol. Try bringing healthy, low maintenance snacks to work with

you. Individually packaged mini carrots, snap peas, and healthy snack bars are

good options. That way when you reach for a snack it's easy, available, and

healthier. Taking the stairs rather than the elevator, and/or walking to/from

work is helpful if you can. Hugs, I know how depressing this situation can get.

Now about Mel.... OMFG! Listening to him brought about strong physical and

emotional reactions from me. He's *just* like my BPD brothers but the worst part

is identifying my past partners in his behaviour. Sadly, I have been involved

with more than one person like him. The venom spewing in his words has BPD

written *all* over it; only a BPD can get that hateful. In a weird way it's

validating though, because hearing somebody else get abused by a raging NPD

makes me feel like I am not alone and maybe it's not always my fault. (I

certainly don't wish that kind of abuse of anybody of course.)

He might have severe NPD, I noticed after he verbally abused the woman he

offered to " give you one more chance " .... as if she'd be lucky and blessed to be

with such an assh*le. Really Mel? I hope that woman had the sense to take her

daughter and run far, far away, forever.

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

Yes, I go into the unhealthy eating thing when I am under stress. I slowly come

out of it

when I realize how I don't feel good/look good, you know? Like if I get tired

climbing the

stairs or too scrawny looking (I tend to under-eat) then I think how I have to

get more

calories (of HEALTHY food). I hate to take the time to cook for myself anyway,

so under

stress it's worse.

I guess we just have to think that, especially with getting older, we don't have

the leeway

with our bodies like when we were 20, that the unhealthy habits will stay with

us more ways.

That must be how I overcome it....just starting to think of the consequences and

what it is

I want for myself, good luck!

~patricia

Mel Gibson is my Father Reincarnated

Has anyone heard the recent Mel Gibson tape? OMG this is exactly how my Father

would rant to my Mother. He is clearly BPD. So sad really to be so wealthy and

still not have the ability or insight for healing. My Father would rant and rant

like this, sometimes for days on end.

To everyone here....I have been trying to put a lot of time into work so I can

keep my business going. Sadly, all the stress has me gaining weight again

because I stop thinking and start eating " whatever " is handy to just keep going.

So life for me right now is tough because I don't feel like I have a lot choice

but to keep going so I stop attending to my emotional and physical needs. I'm

in survival gear. I'm happy I have a survival gear and that I don't just

breakdown but if I don't stay on plan I will be less able to function. I'm no

spring chicken. I'll be 55 this year. So my question is does anyone else go

into an unhealthy automatic gear when under stress, and if so, how have you

overcome that?

Anyway, hello to everyone!

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[Guest guest]

Hellfire

Thanks for the tips!

I couldn't believe he said that either. Another chance! WTF! When I heard his

rant I wanted to call the radio station and tell them, " See, that is BPD! " And

the way he was gasping and out of breath like a mad man. My Father would totally

get that crazy over the most ridiculous things. It sounds like her failure to

give him a BJ is what triggered the abandonment rant. OMG. To be billionare

with abandonment issues. Just weird as hell. Clearly he doesn't know he is the

problem.

>

> Hang in there Carol. Try bringing healthy, low maintenance snacks to work with

you. Individually packaged mini carrots, snap peas, and healthy snack bars are

good options. That way when you reach for a snack it's easy, available, and

healthier. Taking the stairs rather than the elevator, and/or walking to/from

work is helpful if you can. Hugs, I know how depressing this situation can get.

>

> Now about Mel.... OMFG! Listening to him brought about strong physical and

emotional reactions from me. He's *just* like my BPD brothers but the worst part

is identifying my past partners in his behaviour. Sadly, I have been involved

with more than one person like him. The venom spewing in his words has BPD

written *all* over it; only a BPD can get that hateful. In a weird way it's

validating though, because hearing somebody else get abused by a raging NPD

makes me feel like I am not alone and maybe it's not always my fault. (I

certainly don't wish that kind of abuse of anybody of course.)

>

> He might have severe NPD, I noticed after he verbally abused the woman he

offered to " give you one more chance " .... as if she'd be lucky and blessed to be

with such an assh*le. Really Mel? I hope that woman had the sense to take her

daughter and run far, far away, forever.

>

[Guest guest]

It really is quite bizarre and it is what we all live/or have lived with. Odd

isn't it that we questioned ourselves so much especially after having heard it

in someone famous on the radio?

>

> This Mel Gibson thing is unbelievable; I mean I believe it, but that it's on

tape and now

> everyone can hear it. I think he is an extreme narcissist (obviously, right).

That poor

> woman and child (and his other family) having to deal with him. It's

frightening.

> ~patricia

> Re: Mel Gibson is my Father Reincarnated

>

>

> Hang in there Carol. Try bringing healthy, low maintenance snacks to work

with you. Individually packaged mini carrots, snap peas, and healthy snack bars

are good options. That way when you reach for a snack it's easy, available, and

healthier. Taking the stairs rather than the elevator, and/or walking to/from

work is helpful if you can. Hugs, I know how depressing this situation can get.

>

> Now about Mel.... OMFG! Listening to him brought about strong physical and

emotional reactions from me. He's *just* like my BPD brothers but the worst part

is identifying my past partners in his behaviour. Sadly, I have been involved

with more than one person like him. The venom spewing in his words has BPD

written *all* over it; only a BPD can get that hateful. In a weird way it's

validating though, because hearing somebody else get abused by a raging NPD

makes me feel like I am not alone and maybe it's not always my fault. (I

certainly don't wish that kind of abuse of anybody of course.)

>

> He might have severe NPD, I noticed after he verbally abused the woman he

offered to " give you one more chance " .... as if she'd be lucky and blessed to be

with such an assh*le. Really Mel? I hope that woman had the sense to take her

daughter and run far, far away, forever.

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[Guest guest]

aye carumba, it is the weirdest thing to hear that stuff. Two people that have

always creeped me out that I could never watch their movies are Tom Cruise and

Mel Gibson. I mean going back to the beginning, I just picked up so many weird

vibes. My father is NPD so that may be why.

What's funny is that he was married to the same woman for that long. Did he

treat her this way and talk to her this way? I bet she is somewhere laughing if

he did. My mother has put up with it for all these years. I would love to have

fada on tape saying some of the things he has said to me over the years. It's

sick, sick, sick. And to think he was going to 'help' Britney Spears supposedly.

> >

> > This Mel Gibson thing is unbelievable; I mean I believe it, but that it's on

tape and now

> > everyone can hear it. I think he is an extreme narcissist (obviously,

right). That poor

> > woman and child (and his other family) having to deal with him. It's

frightening.

> > ~patricia

> > Re: Mel Gibson is my Father Reincarnated

> >

> >

> > Hang in there Carol. Try bringing healthy, low maintenance snacks to work

with you. Individually packaged mini carrots, snap peas, and healthy snack bars

are good options. That way when you reach for a snack it's easy, available, and

healthier. Taking the stairs rather than the elevator, and/or walking to/from

work is helpful if you can. Hugs, I know how depressing this situation can get.

> >

> > Now about Mel.... OMFG! Listening to him brought about strong physical and

emotional reactions from me. He's *just* like my BPD brothers but the worst part

is identifying my past partners in his behaviour. Sadly, I have been involved

with more than one person like him. The venom spewing in his words has BPD

written *all* over it; only a BPD can get that hateful. In a weird way it's

validating though, because hearing somebody else get abused by a raging NPD

makes me feel like I am not alone and maybe it's not always my fault. (I

certainly don't wish that kind of abuse of anybody of course.)

> >

> > He might have severe NPD, I noticed after he verbally abused the woman he

offered to " give you one more chance " .... as if she'd be lucky and blessed to be

with such an assh*le. Really Mel? I hope that woman had the sense to take her

daughter and run far, far away, forever.

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Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can

find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community!

> >

> > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE

and the SWOE Workbook.

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

Well when I was young, a child, I probably questioned myself but as I

grew into my teens I got angry at my mom's behavior, and then went

through phases where I was compassionate towards her and angry at her,

which dovetailed I think with my own sister's feelings. Her being angry

when I was not. Slowly the idea of something being *off* with her crept

in.

I guess these people find partners (like Mel Gibson has) because maybe

they grew up with the craziness and are used to it? Or don't know any

better? I just can't imagine waking up to the realization that I had married

a " Mel Gibson " although I know someone how had.

~patricia

Re: Mel Gibson is my Father Reincarnated

>

>

> Hang in there Carol. Try bringing healthy, low maintenance snacks to work

with you. Individually packaged mini carrots, snap peas, and healthy snack bars

are good options. That way when you reach for a snack it's easy, available, and

healthier. Taking the stairs rather than the elevator, and/or walking to/from

work is helpful if you can. Hugs, I know how depressing this situation can get.

>

> Now about Mel.... OMFG! Listening to him brought about strong physical and

emotional reactions from me. He's *just* like my BPD brothers but the worst part

is identifying my past partners in his behaviour. Sadly, I have been involved

with more than one person like him. The venom spewing in his words has BPD

written *all* over it; only a BPD can get that hateful. In a weird way it's

validating though, because hearing somebody else get abused by a raging NPD

makes me feel like I am not alone and maybe it's not always my fault. (I

certainly don't wish that kind of abuse of anybody of course.)

>

> He might have severe NPD, I noticed after he verbally abused the woman he

offered to " give you one more chance " .... as if she'd be lucky and blessed to be

with such an assh*le. Really Mel? I hope that woman had the sense to take her

daughter and run far, far away, forever.

>

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find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community!

>

> From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE

and the SWOE Workbook.

[Guest guest]

Tom Cruise always bothered me too because he seems to have an emptiness behind

his

eyes. And he seems fake in interviews. If you have ever seen that movie

Magnolia, (which

is very good, I think) Tom Cruise's performance is pretty good. This character

is pretty

psychologically *off* and it's almost scary how well he plays it.

~patricia

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> >

> >

> > Hang in there Carol. Try bringing healthy, low maintenance snacks to

work with you. Individually packaged mini carrots, snap peas, and healthy snack

bars are good options. That way when you reach for a snack it's easy,

available, and healthier. Taking the stairs rather than the elevator, and/or

walking to/from work is helpful if you can. Hugs, I know how depressing this

situation can get.

> >

> > Now about Mel.... OMFG! Listening to him brought about strong physical

and emotional reactions from me. He's *just* like my BPD brothers but the worst

part is identifying my past partners in his behaviour. Sadly, I have been

involved with more than one person like him. The venom spewing in his words has

BPD written *all* over it; only a BPD can get that hateful. In a weird way it's

validating though, because hearing somebody else get abused by a raging NPD

makes me feel like I am not alone and maybe it's not always my fault. (I

certainly don't wish that kind of abuse of anybody of course.)

> >

> > He might have severe NPD, I noticed after he verbally abused the woman

he offered to " give you one more chance " .... as if she'd be lucky and blessed to

be with such an assh*le. Really Mel? I hope that woman had the sense to take

her daughter and run far, far away, forever.

> >

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find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community!

> >

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SWOE and the SWOE Workbook.

[Guest guest]

He disappoints me. I remember when he did Passion of the Christ and our

Christian community locally supported him. He came to Atlanta and did a

pre-viewing of the movie before it came out in theaters and I remember how happy

pastors and such were that the movie had come. I know his behavior doesn't

necessarily change the movie, but it did change the image I had of him. When he

got caught with a DUI shortly after the movie, I thought, well, everyone makes

mistakes.....then he started making his anti-Jewish remarks and now has made

racist remarks against African Americans, not to mention all the mean things he

said to that chick he was with. I just can't stand him anymore. I hope he gets

the help he needs, but I think he has committed career suicide.

Re: Re: Mel Gibson is my Father Reincarnated

Hi Carol,

Well when I was young, a child, I probably questioned myself but as I

grew into my teens I got angry at my mom's behavior, and then went

through phases where I was compassionate towards her and angry at her,

which dovetailed I think with my own sister's feelings. Her being angry

when I was not. Slowly the idea of something being *off* with her crept

in.

I guess these people find partners (like Mel Gibson has) because maybe

they grew up with the craziness and are used to it? Or don't know any

better? I just can't imagine waking up to the realization that I had married

a " Mel Gibson " although I know someone how had.

~patricia

Re: Mel Gibson is my Father Reincarnated

>

>

> Hang in there Carol. Try bringing healthy, low maintenance snacks to work with

you. Individually packaged mini carrots, snap peas, and healthy snack bars are

good options. That way when you reach for a snack it's easy, available, and

healthier. Taking the stairs rather than the elevator, and/or walking to/from

work is helpful if you can. Hugs, I know how depressing this situation can get.

>

> Now about Mel.... OMFG! Listening to him brought about strong physical and

emotional reactions from me. He's *just* like my BPD brothers but the worst part

is identifying my past partners in his behaviour. Sadly, I have been involved

with more than one person like him. The venom spewing in his words has BPD

written *all* over it; only a BPD can get that hateful. In a weird way it's

validating though, because hearing somebody else get abused by a raging NPD

makes me feel like I am not alone and maybe it's not always my fault. (I

certainly don't wish that kind of abuse of anybody of course.)

>

> He might have severe NPD, I noticed after he verbally abused the woman he

offered to " give you one more chance " .... as if she'd be lucky and blessed to be

with such an assh*le. Really Mel? I hope that woman had the sense to take her

daughter and run far, far away, forever.

>

>

>

>

>

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Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can

find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community!

>

> From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and

the SWOE Workbook.

[Guest guest]

I've never really heard anything as bad as those tapes, which is fortunate for

me, I guess.

I've heard a bit of celebrity talk to the effect of " she should have just gone

to the police instead of airing her laundry in public " . (RadarOnline won't say

where they got these tapes, so it's not evident that she handed them over)

That kind of creeps me out. It's all very " keep the abuse in the family. "

So I'm really loving that this came out. It's one thing to say, " he's abusive "

but it is another thing ENTIRELY to hear it. I think it puts a voice to

domestic violence and verbal abuse that is really captivating.

It's also interesting to imagine that this is certainly not his first time

behaving this way. I think he's pretty lucky to have gotten away with this

behavior for 54 years. He must have behaved in a somewhat similar manner with

his last wife.

I just like the idea of " shining a light " on this kind of abuse. Sucks for him,

I suppose. This could be something that makes him look at himself more closely

and get better. I did hear him mention on one of the tapes that he has a

therapist though. Huh?

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna~ this is a great point! " Shine a light on the abuse " ! That is the

reason this is good

because other people can hear it and maybe see it in their own lives, they can

quit giving this

guy money going to his movies, but mainly it shows the world what exists in

private worlds and how abuse happens and what it at least sounds like and how

scary it is.

Those people who stick up for Gibson or think it should be private probably

never had this happen to them and don't want to think any harder before they

open their mouths to speak.

~patricia

Re: Mel Gibson is my Father Reincarnated

I've never really heard anything as bad as those tapes, which is fortunate for

me, I guess.

I've heard a bit of celebrity talk to the effect of " she should have just gone

to the police instead of airing her laundry in public " . (RadarOnline won't say

where they got these tapes, so it's not evident that she handed them over)

That kind of creeps me out. It's all very " keep the abuse in the family. "

So I'm really loving that this came out. It's one thing to say, " he's

abusive " but it is another thing ENTIRELY to hear it. I think it puts a voice

to domestic violence and verbal abuse that is really captivating.

It's also interesting to imagine that this is certainly not his first time

behaving this way. I think he's pretty lucky to have gotten away with this

behavior for 54 years. He must have behaved in a somewhat similar manner with

his last wife.

I just like the idea of " shining a light " on this kind of abuse. Sucks for

him, I suppose. This could be something that makes him look at himself more

closely and get better. I did hear him mention on one of the tapes that he has

a therapist though. Huh?

Deanna

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