Re: Avoiding Weight Gain Topic

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Hi,

I joined this list hoping to find some discussion of these same issues.

The main list -- the real one, that is -- is overloaded with new people

asking the same questions over and over again.

Background: I had a proximal lap rny 7-14-98 at a bmi of 47. Excellent

healing, no complications. In 8 months I had lost about 70 lbs --

ironically, the same weight I had lost in Weight Watchers during the

same amount of time. Since then, due to a number of factors, I've

regained between 10 and 15 lbs, and I am having a hard time losing it.

I joined ossg hungry months ago, and then ossg 7 secrets, trying to get

a grip on this. I see an eating disorder therapist, I've joined a gym, I

started doing strength training at home (dumbbells). I bought a bike

(and then fell off it!) and read Geneen Roth. I've seen a

gastroenterologist and had an upper GI, to see if anything has gone awry

with my surgery.

Everything is intact, and I can feel that the pouch is still small. I

even get stuck sometimes with certain kinds of protein.

I try to stay away from carbs -- I don't like bread or pasta much

anymore -- and favor protein and vegetables. But the bottom line is that

since a couple of months after surgery I've been able to eat more than

my friends who have had surgery, and I have an appetite. I also

developed a sweet tooth after surgery -- go figure! -- and don't " dump "

in any recognizable or behavior-changing way.

I try to avoid grazing, and sweets. But I still tend to take in more

calories than I am burning up. Which means i don't lose weight. And

it's somewhat of a struggle to keep from re-gaining more. Or at least,

it would be easy to eat more and gain the weight back.

Just like when I regained weight after being on Weight Watchers. All it

takes is a couple hundred calories extra a day.

I look a lot better than I did before surgery, and feel great -- but I'm

a lot bigger than I want to be.

So I would be interested in a list that addresses these issues -- except

that there already have been lists for that, and they have not come to

much. The 007Secrets program itself is very interesting -- but did not

generate much thoughtful discussion. And ossghungry has been inactive

for weeks.

I'd like to hear other people's opinions.

Peggy

San Francisco

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Hi Peggy (and others),

I snipped the previous post on this topic to save the bandwidth. Thank you

for giving us the details of your progress. I'm at a different place than

you, but I live in constant fear of weight gain or slipping into bad

habits. It's making me a bit crazy. I agree that the main list is overrun

in the service of pre-ops and newbies. I found that I could only stand it

for about 4 weeks prior to my surgery. I'm glad this grads list is here,

but I don't really qualify for all the criteria (since it serves 1 year or

more post-ops).

I had my Open RNY on 2/4/99. I've now lost 105 lbs (from 280 to 175). I'm

36 years of age, 5'10 " and my original goal was 170. I'm now reevaluating

that (I've gone from a size 26 to a size 12, which I haven't been since

early high school, I could still lose a bit more weight and build more

muscle I suspect my new goal will be 160). I've lost a lot of hair, but

no one seems to notice but me. My doctor said it will stop soon and the

real concern would be if I stopped menstruating, which is not the case.

I exercise regularly, but less than I did a couple of months ago, so I

worry about that back-sliding and what it might mean to my continued weight

loss and maintenance. I'm really worried about gaining weight back or

damaging my pouch somehow. I often feel full after eating and have some

minimal dumping syndrome from sugars and regular food, but this decreases

each week (much to my concern and dismay).

As a result of this moment-by-moment fear, I've decided to up my protein

intake and start reducing my increasing carbo and sugar snacking (as

suggested by some on this list). I bought some low-sugar protein bars to

test the process and see if increasing my protein helps me cut down on the

carbo and sugar snacking in the afternoon and evening. I've also decided

to give myself a guideline for my exercising. I can blow-off my former

daily morning workout (that I started blowing-off about 4 weeks ago) as

long as I do it twice/week and do my noon run/walk at each lunch (usually

5x/week, sometimes only 4x) and one gym visit over the weekend. That puts

me at a minimum of 8 hours/wk of structured exercise. Since I was doing

about 10-12 hours a couple of months ago, it seems like a scary but

reasonable adjustment I may be able to maintain. I still feel like I'm

procrastinating on those morning workouts though (that's my taped cardio

and weight lifting, which is critical to help build a bit of muscle to take

up some skin slack).

Mostly I just wish I could relax about my loss/maintenance AND be able to

stay conscious enough to keep the weight off and the workouts going. The

paranoia is very distracting and upsetting. I feel like no one (except the

folks on this list) can relate to that. My thin and unobsessive pals just

don't understand why I'm so concerned ( " You're doing GREAT! " ) They've

never done the yo-yo struggle like we have.

-hil

---------------------------

Hillary M. Russak

Technical Writer

Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

hrussak@...

'97 R1100RT, DoD #2106

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At 02:57 PM 10/5/99 -0700, Rita wrote:

<snip>

>I would like to find a way to get more help in this area. I am re

>reading

>Living a lighter lifestyle- A Guide to Successful Weight Loss and

>Maintenance

>Following Gastroplasty or Gastric Bypass. This book is wonderful and

>makes

>a lot of sense as does Seven Secrets.

Where did you find this book?

-Hillary

---------------------------

Hillary M. Russak

Technical Writer

Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

hrussak@...

'97 R1100RT, DoD #2106

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Peggy Texidor wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I joined this list hoping to find some discussion of these same issues.

> The main list -- the real one, that is -- is overloaded with new people

> asking the same questions over and over again.

>

DItto

>

> I joined ossg hungry months ago, and then ossg 7 secrets, trying to get

> a grip on this. I've joined a gym,

Ditto

>

> developed a sweet tooth after surgery -- go figure! --

Ditto

>

> I try to avoid grazing, and sweets. But I still tend to take in more

> calories than I am burning up. Which means i don't lose weight. And

> it's somewhat of a struggle to keep from re-gaining more. Or at least,

> it would be easy to eat more and gain the weight back.

Ditto, Ditto Ditto!!!!!!!!

>

> Just like when I regained weight after being on Weight Watchers. All it

> takes is a couple hundred calories extra a day.

>

> I look a lot better than I did before surgery, and feel great -- but I'm

> a lot bigger than I want to be.

Me Too

>

> So I would be interested in a list that addresses these issues -- except

> that there already have been lists for that, and they have not come to

> much. The 007Secrets program itself is very interesting -- but did not

> generate much thoughtful discussion. And ossghungry has been inactive

> for weeks.

So had ossglowcarbs. I need help here too. I spoke with my Dr today

and

she said that it basically the same now as before surgery, a lot of

work/

I would like to find a way to get more help in this area. I am re

reading

Living a lighter lifestyle- A Guide to Successful Weight Loss and

Maintenance

Following Gastroplasty or Gastric Bypass. This book is wonderful and

makes

a lot of sense as does Seven Secrets.

I guess all I am saying here is that you are not alone.

Take care,

Rita

[Guest guest]

hrussak@... wrote:

>

> From: hrussak@...

>

> At 02:57 PM 10/5/99 -0700, Rita wrote:

> <snip>

> >I would like to find a way to get more help in this area. I am re

> >reading

> >Living a lighter lifestyle- A Guide to Successful Weight Loss and

> >Maintenance

> >Following Gastroplasty or Gastric Bypass. This book is wonderful and

> >makes

> >a lot of sense as does Seven Secrets.

>

> Where did you find this book?

> -Hillary

> ---------------------------

> Hillary M. Russak

> Technical Writer

> Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

>

> hrussak@...

> '97 R1100RT, DoD #2106

>

> Hi Hillary,

I ordered it from the Author

Info as follows:

Dr Gaye s

Wheat Field Publications

490 Sierra Keys Dr

Sierra Madre, CA 91204

The cost is $28.45 which includes priority mail shipping.

Send her a check with the request. I had the book in less than 2 weeks.

Rita

--

Rita L. Weisburgh

Home Ownership Specialist

USDA/RD

27 Fisher Pond Rd Suite 8

St. Albans VT 05478

(802)524-6503 ext 102

(800)717-8637 ext 102

(802)524-4575 Fax

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At 10:01 AM 10/5/99 -0700, you wrote:

>

>

>Hi,

>

>I joined this list hoping to find some discussion of these same issues.

>The main list -- the real one, that is -- is overloaded with new people

>asking the same questions over and over again.

>

>Background: I had a proximal lap rny 7-14-98 at a bmi of 47. Excellent

>healing, no complications. In 8 months I had lost about 70 lbs --

>ironically, the same weight I had lost in Weight Watchers during the

>same amount of time. Since then, due to a number of factors, I've

>regained between 10 and 15 lbs, and I am having a hard time losing it.

>I also

developed a sweet tooth after surgery -- go figure! -- and don't " dump "

in any recognizable or behavior-changing way.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HiPeggy,

This is Darlene in Pa.

I know all about that sweets cravings. I didn't even like sweets before

surgery but now they drive me crazy.

My increase in wt is from staple line disruption and I am having a revision

done Nov 8 or 9.

I didn't having dumping until about a year postop.

Good luck and hang in there!,

Darlene in Pa.

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> HiPeggy,

> This is Darlene in Pa.

> I know all about that sweets cravings. I didn't even like sweets before

> surgery but now they drive me crazy.

> My increase in wt is from staple line disruption and I am having a revision

> done Nov 8 or 9.

> I didn't having dumping until about a year postop.

> Good luck and hang in there!,

> Darlene in Pa.

> ***************************************************

Darlene!

So glad to see you are getting the revision! That is GREAT news! Is your

insurance going to pay for it? Best wishes for a speedy recovery...at least

this time you know what to expect!

Betty D.

>

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In a message dated 10/07/1999 4:00:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dar@... writes:

> I know all about that sweets cravings. I didn't even like sweets before

> surgery but now they drive me crazy.

I know what YA mean to but I had a major sweet tooth before and then it went

away for an about a year post now IM going CRAZY I craving it awful I hate to

rolls of Rolo candy's yesterday and God only know what else !!!

plus IM going nuts to cause IM always sticking food in mouth lately even if

IM not hungry its like every 5 or so I have to have something in my mouth IM

going to try going back on gum again but I think its boredom and stress I had

a lot on me lately with my boy being sick and My husbands slave labor paying

job that he comutes 60 miles round trip for and hardly brings home a check!

His bosses mother died and left the responbilty of the station up to my

husband and know as acting manger He has to be available 24hrs a day and we

have! Car which Three Guesses where the H--- that leaves me! Home!

IM so afraid this stress is going to let me gain back.

Sorry enough whining

Luvs YA guys!

take care angi in VA

7/17/98-----475#S

10/8/99------212#S

Life is never boring or dull within a day or in the life of one of Gods

special ANGELS!

Mom to mikie

MMR/addhd/nonspecifc C.p/seizure disorder/

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and Angi,

This has been effecting me lately too! Just the past week or so, craving

sweets that I NEVER did up to 14 months post op. I don't know how to explain

it... have we just fooled our bodies for so long and now its craving things?

in Phx

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Angi:

I'm under extra stress now, too. I'm in the tax biz and we're in the last

crunch of the year. I crave sugar. I started taking chromium picolinate

and that helped a bit, and so does walking. I usually walk for 45 minutes

or so, but sometimes 30 has to do. (Does anyone know the official stuff

about this...how much it takes to get aerobic?)

Anyway, I nibble bites of sugar and customers actually bring it to our

office. Yesterday, I had enough tablespoon size bites of an apple fritter

to eat a whole one. Same with a cookie...it may take all afternoon, but

it's still a cookie no matter how many little bites it takes to eat. It's

not affecting my weight because I eat so much less overall. When I do

choose my food, I choose good high protein stuff. But the sugar drives me

crazy. I'm just damn lucky it ain't cocaine or crack or I'd be down the

tubes.

Bandas

Austin, TX

RNY 4-28-98, Dr. Selinkoff, San , TX

Then: 305 Now: 180

125 pounds gone forever!

Re: Avoiding Weight Gain Topic

> From: SISYANGI@...

>

> In a message dated 10/07/1999 4:00:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> dar@... writes:

>

> > I know all about that sweets cravings. I didn't even like sweets before

> > surgery but now they drive me crazy.

> I know what YA mean to but I had a major sweet tooth before and then it

went

> away for an about a year post now IM going CRAZY I craving it awful I hate

to

> rolls of Rolo candy's yesterday and God only know what else !!!

> plus IM going nuts to cause IM always sticking food in mouth lately even

if

> IM not hungry its like every 5 or so I have to have something in my mouth

IM

> going to try going back on gum again but I think its boredom and stress I

had

> a lot on me lately with my boy being sick and My husbands slave labor

paying

> job that he comutes 60 miles round trip for and hardly brings home a

check!

> His bosses mother died and left the responbilty of the station up to my

> husband and know as acting manger He has to be available 24hrs a day and

we

> have! Car which Three Guesses where the H--- that leaves me! Home!

> IM so afraid this stress is going to let me gain back.

> Sorry enough whining

> Luvs YA guys!

> take care angi in VA

> 7/17/98-----475#S

> 10/8/99------212#S

>

> Life is never boring or dull within a day or in the life of one of Gods

> special ANGELS!

> Mom to mikie

> MMR/addhd/nonspecifc C.p/seizure disorder/

> <A

HREF= " http://www.onelist.com/community/SisysSpcNeedsKids " >http://www.onelis

> t.com/community/SisysSpcNeedsKids</A>

>

> >

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, I am fighting craving of all kind this week. I have not had this much

trouble fighting wanting to overeat since my surgery ( 3-11-98). It really

puts a terror in my heart that I am going to gain my weight back. I am going

to get off my butt and start exercising every day like my doc said I would

have to! I am glad to know I am not the only one... Jan C. 3-11-98 RNY start

220 now 159

Re: Avoiding Weight Gain Topic

>

>

>Angi:

>

>I'm under extra stress now, too. I'm in the tax biz and we're in the last

>crunch of the year. I crave sugar. I started taking chromium picolinate

>and that helped a bit, and so does walking. I usually walk for 45 minutes

>or so, but sometimes 30 has to do. (Does anyone know the official stuff

>about this...how much it takes to get aerobic?)

>

>Anyway, I nibble bites of sugar and customers actually bring it to our

>office. Yesterday, I had enough tablespoon size bites of an apple fritter

>to eat a whole one. Same with a cookie...it may take all afternoon, but

>it's still a cookie no matter how many little bites it takes to eat. It's

>not affecting my weight because I eat so much less overall. When I do

>choose my food, I choose good high protein stuff. But the sugar drives me

>crazy. I'm just damn lucky it ain't cocaine or crack or I'd be down the

>tubes.

>

> Bandas

>Austin, TX

>RNY 4-28-98, Dr. Selinkoff, San , TX

>Then: 305 Now: 180

>125 pounds gone forever!

> Re: Avoiding Weight Gain Topic

>

>

>> From: SISYANGI@...

>>

>> In a message dated 10/07/1999 4:00:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>> dar@... writes:

>>

>> > I know all about that sweets cravings. I didn't even like sweets before

>> > surgery but now they drive me crazy.

>> I know what YA mean to but I had a major sweet tooth before and then it

>went

>> away for an about a year post now IM going CRAZY I craving it awful I

hate

>to

>> rolls of Rolo candy's yesterday and God only know what else !!!

>> plus IM going nuts to cause IM always sticking food in mouth lately even

>if

>> IM not hungry its like every 5 or so I have to have something in my

mouth

>IM

>> going to try going back on gum again but I think its boredom and stress I

>had

>> a lot on me lately with my boy being sick and My husbands slave labor

>paying

>> job that he comutes 60 miles round trip for and hardly brings home a

>check!

>> His bosses mother died and left the responbilty of the station up to my

>> husband and know as acting manger He has to be available 24hrs a day and

>we

>> have! Car which Three Guesses where the H--- that leaves me! Home!

>> IM so afraid this stress is going to let me gain back.

>> Sorry enough whining

>> Luvs YA guys!

>> take care angi in VA

>> 7/17/98-----475#S

>> 10/8/99------212#S

>>

>> Life is never boring or dull within a day or in the life of one of Gods

>> special ANGELS!

>> Mom to mikie

>> MMR/addhd/nonspecifc C.p/seizure disorder/

>> <A

>HREF= " http://www.onelist.com/community/SisysSpcNeedsKids " >http://www.onelis

>> t.com/community/SisysSpcNeedsKids</A>

>>

>> >

>

>>

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In a message dated 10/09/1999 8:27:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dbandas@... writes:

> But the sugar drives me

> crazy. I'm just damn lucky it ain't cocaine or crack or I'd be down the

> tubes.

right I tell you what IM about to start up smoking or something I just cant

stand it! lol

angie

Life is never boring or dull within a day or in the life of one of Gods

special ANGELS!

Mom to mikie

MMR/addhd/nonspecifc C.p/seizure disorder/

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Hi : I was lucky enough to suffer dumping for the first few months.

Now, after one year, I con tolerate more sugars. I am a Realtor and in the

Orlando area Tuesday is staff meeting day and the donuts, cookies, breads,

bagels, you name it, are out all day. Not to mention chocolates! I notice

that if I start nibbling I just nibble here and there and like you say, it

all adds up. So I made a conscious decision that I would still treat sweets

as if I dump and thereby stay totally away.

Alice

LAP RNY Sept 1, 1998 Dr. Champion, Atlanta

[Guest guest]

Angie,

I dont want to scare you but when I was on the OSSG list the subject of

gum came up and they really warned us not to chew it. The reason was if you

swallow it, it could mean emergency surgery. Evidently the " new " tummy

doesnt digest gum and it just plugs it up.

I know gum sounds like a good idea .. but check with your surgeon.

Hope this helps,

Arrianna

Down 130 in a year... and happy.

IM

>going to try going back on gum again