Guest guest Posted March 28, 2000 Report Share Posted March 28, 2000 AA; the new " Club White-Boy " =============== Jim Hankins wrote: > > Dave, I was struck by the 86% white figure. Blacks and Hispanics > combined make up 9%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2000 Report Share Posted April 24, 2000 I sat through a boring speaker meeting at the club last night, but there was a bright side to the ordeal: I snatched a pamphlet with stats from the 1996 membership survey. Highlights follow: Gender of members: 67% male. For those 30 and under, 60% male. Racial breakdown: 86% white, 5% black, 4% Hispanic, 4% Native American, 1% Asian and other. " Members attend an average of more than two meetings per week. " Length of sobriety: 45% more than 5 yrs 28% one to five yrs 27% less than 1 yr " Average sobriety of members is more than 6 yrs " Factors most repsonsible for members coming to AA (three responses permitted): Self-motivated 51% Thru an AA member 48% Treatment facility 40% Family 39% Counseling agency 16% Court order 13% (Those are just the top 6 factors, others account for 9% or less) 76% have a sponsor, 67% of those got a sponsor in their first 90 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2000 Report Share Posted April 24, 2000 Jim: Allowing three responses makes it pretty confusing to interpret without additional information. Would I be mistaken if I interpreted this to say only 3% of members walk in on their own and as many as 69% may have been forced into it. So much for a program of attraction vice promotion. Re: Official AA stats! Factors most repsonsible for members coming to AA (three responses permitted): Self-motivated 51% Thru an AA member 48% Treatment facility 40% Family 39% Counseling agency 16% Court order 13% (Those are just the top 6 factors, others account for 9% or less) 76% have a sponsor, 67% of those got a sponsor in their first 90 days --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- You take good care of yourself, how about your planet? It's tough to be healthy when your environment isn't. Find out what you can do to protect your planet and yourself at ENN.com, the Environmental News Network. http://click./1/2798/1/_/4324/_/956602461/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2000 Report Share Posted April 24, 2000 Jim Hankins wrote: << I was struck by the 86% white figure. Blacks and Hispanics combined make up 9%. Seems low when compared to their percentage of population as a whole in U.S. I guess minority members don't like to hear that " powerlessness " and " acceptance " crap. >> My thoughts exactly. And interestingly, religious faith and church involvement is generally much higher among blacks and Latinos than among whites. It's specifically the 12-step religion that is a turnoff to this demographic. ~Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2000 Report Share Posted April 24, 2000 hi Jim, folks This REALLY IS me, btw, with a better addy for me than my old college one - not an imposter! These are the OFFICIAL figures of course, rather than the TRUE ones.. Those sobriety figures are almost certainly inflated. How can that square with the 95% annual dropout rate? What they will have done is probably ax everyone in for less than 90 days, leaving themselves with mostly just the positives. Remember they are denying epidemiologists like Robin Room access to their data, so it cannot be checked. P. > I sat through a boring speaker meeting at the club last night, but > there was a bright side to the ordeal: I snatched a pamphlet with > stats from the 1996 membership survey. Highlights follow: > > Gender of members: 67% male. For those 30 and under, 60% male. > > Racial breakdown: 86% white, 5% black, 4% Hispanic, 4% Native > American, 1% Asian and other. > > " Members attend an average of more than two meetings per week. " > > Length of sobriety: > 45% more than 5 yrs > 28% one to five yrs > 27% less than 1 yr > > " Average sobriety of members is more than 6 yrs " > > Factors most repsonsible for members coming to AA (three responses > permitted): > > Self-motivated 51% > Thru an AA member 48% > Treatment facility 40% > Family 39% > Counseling agency 16% > Court order 13% > > (Those are just the top 6 factors, others account for 9% or less) > > 76% have a sponsor, 67% of those got a sponsor in their first 90 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2000 Report Share Posted April 25, 2000 I'm sure all the 12-step stats are cooked -- it's as Winston Churchill said in this case -- " There are lies, damned lies, and statistics " (poor guy never got to meetings despite his notorious boozing -- what a waste of a life !!!!!! -- he'd have realised his opposition to Nazism was just " denial " [joke]). I've heard recovery rates of 90% quoted by the innumerate airheads who grab the power at meetings -- I'm sure one or two of the people in 12-step power I know aren't too blame -- they are literally too stupid to have a clear idea of what a percent IS. They just can't do numbers. It's the old anti-intellectual thing that is the sure hallmark of cults -- don't clutter this business up with THINKING. Just believe us, VE HAF VAYS OF MAKINK YOU RECOVER. Yes their " statistics " are one of the worst mathematical jopkes I've come across -- it's when people like this who value blind belief and their own power above fact (let alone " Truth " ) are given funding and power by the authorities that Nazism has it foot in the door. It's only thge priofessional recovery merchants, the counsellor types, who do run on clean time (and some of them give major cause for query). To adapt Bob Dylan on these types " Their profession's their religion Their sin is their lifelessness " . Smash spiritual fascism. Rant rant rant. Doug. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2000 Report Share Posted April 25, 2000 hehe I remember hearing maybe 5-10 years ago that white women experienced eating disorders, distorted body image, etc., at a much higher rate than non-white women. (Seems to me the comparison was limited to black vs. white, but I could be wrong.) One theory behind this difference was that black women never saw themselves represented as sex symbols in the mainstream media, thus felt outside the competition to be beautiful in a mainstream way. Although eating disorders have never been a problem for me (except that I'm maybe 30-40 lbs. overweight, but still in good enough physical shape to do strenuous exercise), this theory fits for why I chose to enter 12 step treatment. It's almost like trying to be popular in high school: maybe if I go through treatment, I'll finally be good enough for people to love me. maybe I'll find a home in the treatment/aa/chem dep world. but now I think we each have to be at home in our own minds, personalities, psyches, souls, whatever it is that is at our core and makes us who we are. judith > > > > Dave, I was struck by the 86% white figure. Blacks and Hispanics > > combined make up 9%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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