Re: More FOM

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Anyone been to " Church of God Anonymous " site -- this seems to me the

ultimate advance in 12-step desire for religious control -- The people

running it seem quite explicit on the fact that they are offering the world

a new wonder religion which will unite mankind in the Steps (God help us . .

.. ). Their philosophy of moral utilitarianism and fascist " common sense "

values is very scarey and revealing when compared with " state of the art "

Satanism -- which also espouses good clean rational ideas and, cleverly,

denies belief in Satan or God (suits Old Nick fine . . ). this is my great

paranoid trip -- that AA etc are literally Satanic but well plastered over

with acceptable pieties. I've had some very queer moments at meetings, and

been told to get out " you don't belong here " for mental resistance to what

I've found questionable. Keep wielding the sword of truth guys, cut the

step Nazis down, before they get further control. " Church of God Anonymous "

-- do us a favour!!!

D.

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>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: More FOM

>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:07:00 BST

>

>

>In a message dated 04/15/2000 5:56:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>dragons4691@a... writes:

>

> & gt; I read your opinion on AA...Like I said everyone has an opinion

>and you are

> & gt; entitled to yours...AA is not for everyone..AA may have secrets

>but I

>don't

> & gt; know them...I have never been decieved..so I cannot speak for

>those who

>have

> & gt; been...

>

>Congratulations. If you have never been deceived, you must have

>always

>known

>about the royalty payments to Helen Wynn ('s mistress). If you

>were

>never deceived, you must have also known that made her the

>editor of

>the Grapevine, AA's monthly magazine. If you were never deceived, you

>must

>never have believed AA's outrageous claim that: " Rarely have we

>seen a person

>fail. . . " Or the more specific claim that of those who

> " really tried, 50%

>got sober at once and reminded that way; 25% sobered up after some

>relapse,

>and among the remainder, those who stayed on with AA showed

>improvement. "

>( " Big Book " p. XX) If you were never deceived, you must know

>which of these

>people, all of whom have written books or articles on

> " alcoholism, " are and

>are not members of AA: Ernest Kurtz, Blum, Milam,

>

>Ketcham, L. Ann Mueller, Ashbury, Mel Schulstad, Arthur

>Ciaramicoli,

>G. Talbott, Irving Maltzman, etc., etc.

>

> & gt; It is sad that there are members in the organization of AA who

> & gt; practice THEIR OWN PRINCIPLES and give AA a bad name... I know

>many

> & gt; members who ARE ON the BOARD who are sober 30 years or more

>and do not

> & gt; hide ANYTHING.

>

>Maybe those members need to do more than just be " ON the

>BOARD " (whichever

>board you mean) Maybe they need to start cleaning house. AA has this

>motto:

> " I am responsible. " Right? So how come whenever anything bad

>happens NOBODY

>is responsible?

>

> & gt; If you look at the programs for drug and alcohol addiction

>today

> & gt; i.e. Hazelden..Betty Ford etc.They are all 12 step based...Is

>it

>for

> & gt; everyone..NO-it isn't ...

>

>One of the problems is that the dominance of treatment centers like

>Hazelden,

>Betty Ford, and their look-alikes and wannabes, makes it virtually

>impossible

>for those who don't want 12-Step indoctrination to get any

>residential

>treatment at all. Some turn to supposedly " anti-craving "

>brain

>drugs like

>Naltrexone because there aren't any residential treatment centers

>that

>don't

>force-fit everyone into the Procrustean bed of AA.

>

> & gt; As far as your experience trying to get literature--I have never

>heard of

>that in my

> & gt; life..If you want literature I will call the NY AA and kindly

>get it for

>you..and find

> & gt; out why you couldn't...

>

>According to the Spring 1995 Catalog, the following items are

> " Confidential;

>for AA members only "

>+ " Conference Report " (report of the General Service

>Conference)

>+ " Advisory Actions of the General Service Conference of

>Alcoholics

>Anonymous "

>+ " International AA Directory "

>+ " Canadian AA Directory "

>+ " Western AA Directory "

>+ " Eastern AA Directory "

>+As I recall, they also refused to subscribe me to their news letter,

> " Box

>4-5-9 "

>

>Furthermore, some AA documents are not even listed in the catalog.

>The

>infamous " Comments on AA's Triennial Surveys, " the document

>which revealed

>that AA was well aware of its high attrition rates, was never listed.

>(Fox,

> " Addiction Change and Choice " p. 64)

>

> & gt; At this point- it is very sad that people coming into AA are

>lied

> & gt; to or abused by members in AA..It does happen like any other

> & gt; organization..There is good and bad...everyone is not good and

>I never

>said

> & gt; they were....I have met some pretty strange people myself.. I

>think that

>in

> & gt; any situation you have to be careful whether it be AA or

>anything else in

> & gt; life..You look before you leap..Some don't and trust the first

>person you

> & gt; meet....

>

>AA offers itself as a haven for " alcoholics. " Has it no

>responsibility to

>make itself a safe haven? As above, how come when things go wrong,

>this

>organization with the motto " I am responsible " is never

>responsible for

>itself?

>

> & gt; A friend of mine in Mass. is sober 35 years and spoke at the

> & gt; Tarrytown convention..There were hundreds of people

>there--SOBER..people

> & gt; aided by the 12 steps...If not for AA where would those people

>be??Perhaps

> & gt; in a real CULT like Church Universal and Truimph..Unification

>Church..How

>about

> & gt; Town..How about Waco..How about Lucis Trust (Never heard

>of that one

> & gt; did you?) How about the one in Uganda that 900 hundred people

>were

> & gt; killed..how about the Boston Church of Christ..I can go on and

>on...AA

>does

> & gt; not kill people..AA does not give people posion kool-aid to

>drink..

>

>Not so fast. At one point, the Heaven's Gate suicide cult was known

>as

> " Total

>Overcomes Anonymous. " Furthermore, the suicide rate among TREATED

>alcoholics

>is said to be 25%, which is 60% higher than among

> " alcoholics "

>in general.

>(Ketcham, et al. " Beyond the Influence, " p. 80) I don't know

>exactly what to

>make of this, but it's shocking.

>

> & gt; AA does not hand an alcoholic a drink (unless of course a

> " ANONYMOUS "

> & gt; member goes out and takes someone with them..you know misery

>loves

> & gt; company)..AA can help some but not everyone..The professionals

>think they

> & gt; know what they are talking about because of statictis...but

>that's all

>they are..Just

> & gt; because a " Book " says AA is bad doesn't mean it is

> " I try to look at the

>bright

> & gt; side of things...I look at the lives it has saved...Maybe some

>people

>need to go

> & gt; and find out for themselves....Maybe that is what people need

>to

>do...Good

> & gt; luck..I hope some people open there eyes....Overall-there is NO

>WRONG OR

> & gt; RIGHT...It just depends on how you view the world ....

>

>Did you know that in Nazi Germany, chronic drunkards,

> " alcoholics, " were sent

>to Auschwitz, the extermination camp? They were. But there is no

>right

>or

>wrong. Right?

>

>Thanks for your comments.

>

>Doc

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