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Hi all,

Some of you know me most don't I don't write a lot but I'm hoping

someone can help me with a my problem... I am having a hard time chosing a

doctor any suggestions? Thanks Mechelle

" The Bible calls debt a curse and children a blessing.  But in our culture,

we apply for a curse and reject blessings.  Something is wrong with this

picture. "   -- Doug .

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I would love to consider a reversal. I am afraid that for my age, it is just

too late and may not be worth the cost. I love kids and already have 3, ages

17, 14 and 11. The 2 older ones are girls and the younger is a boy. I'd like

another boy and have talked to Dr. Levin. I had the tubes tied after quite a

long time of using the spermicides contraceptives. When I had my son, he was

placenta premia and I was informed during the pregnancy that there could be

difficulties and the baby could be stillborn or strangled at birth. Also, I

could bleed too much. He was ok and sowas I, but at age 3, he was tested at

1.5 years behind the other kids his age. He caught up at age 7 and that is

great. In everything I read about placenta premia births, I'm now scared

that I will have a slightly handicapped child due to my age and the past

history of his birth for after having 1placenta premia, the others are

expected to also be placenta premia. Dr. Levin is the only doctor that

seemed willing to consider seeing me. My current regular doctor for

papsmears says that I have been possibly starting my change as in menopause.

Also, the only reason that I stay in my current marriage is for the kids and

when they leave, there will be nothing to keep me thereunless things change

for us. It is very important especially to my son that I stay. I have

always been a solace for my children, for my husband is very controlling.

I come from a Catholic family of 7 children. All of us have had difficult

birthing experiences, including our mom. Me and one other sister are the

only two to have 3 children. I have another sister who has 2 surviving kids,

she had 2 miscarries. I have another sister that had 6 miscarries and 1

surviving birth. She had to have the sperm frozen to achieve this birth for

her husband has a low sperm count. I have another sister who also had 1 and

she is now divorced and her X just died this last summer.

I am seriously considering completing my teacher's certification now. I love

kids and have considered this career before, but the time was less

appropriate.

I also feel very bad and guilty that I had my tubes tied. I guess I followed

the role of my husband's two sisters who also had this done. It has beena

very emmotionally unhappy and painful experience for me.

From what I could determine on the before and after pictures that I never saw

until it was all done, there may already have been a knot in one tube.

I guess I have told you a lot and I really would appreciate a response.

Thanks,

Jeanette

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Please make sure you're bringing a baby in this world for the right

reasons. I understand so much the need and want to have another baby.

Finish your teaching certificate. Only you know what's in your heart.

Prayers and thinking of you,

Pam

> I would love to consider a reversal. I am afraid that for my age,

it is just

> too late and may not be worth the cost. I love kids and already

have 3, ages

> 17, 14 and 11. The 2 older ones are girls and the younger is a

boy. I'd like

> another boy and have talked to Dr. Levin. I had the tubes tied

after quite a

> long time of using the spermicides contraceptives. When I had my

son, he was

> placenta premia and I was informed during the pregnancy that there

could be

> difficulties and the baby could be stillborn or strangled at

birth. Also, I

> could bleed too much. He was ok and sowas I, but at age 3, he was

tested at

> 1.5 years behind the other kids his age. He caught up at age 7 and

that is

> great. In everything I read about placenta premia births, I'm now

scared

> that I will have a slightly handicapped child due to my age and the

past

> history of his birth for after having 1placenta premia, the others

are

> expected to also be placenta premia. Dr. Levin is the only doctor

that

> seemed willing to consider seeing me. My current regular doctor

for

> papsmears says that I have been possibly starting my change as in

menopause.

>

>

> Also, the only reason that I stay in my current marriage is for the

kids and

> when they leave, there will be nothing to keep me thereunless

things change

> for us. It is very important especially to my son that I stay. I

have

> always been a solace for my children, for my husband is very

controlling.

>

> I come from a Catholic family of 7 children. All of us have had

difficult

> birthing experiences, including our mom. Me and one other sister

are the

> only two to have 3 children. I have another sister who has 2

surviving kids,

> she had 2 miscarries. I have another sister that had 6 miscarries

and 1

> surviving birth. She had to have the sperm frozen to achieve this

birth for

> her husband has a low sperm count. I have another sister who also

had 1 and

> she is now divorced and her X just died this last summer.

>

> I am seriously considering completing my teacher's certification

now. I love

> kids and have considered this career before, but the time was less

> appropriate.

>

> I also feel very bad and guilty that I had my tubes tied. I guess

I followed

> the role of my husband's two sisters who also had this done. It

has beena

> very emmotionally unhappy and painful experience for me.

>

> From what I could determine on the before and after pictures that I

never saw

> until it was all done, there may already have been a knot in one

tube.

>

> I guess I have told you a lot and I really would appreciate a

response.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jeanette

>

>

>

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Thanks Pam.

In some ways I know it is a selfish reason, but right now I'm just feeling

the aloneness of not having anyone small around to give me a hug anymore.

I need some fullfillment somewhere and I think the teaching may be enough to

settle for.

The other would be too much risk mainly for health reasons for both the baby

and me. That is what stopped me at the age of 34 and now I regret that I

wasn't willing to take another chance then. I just wish that the difficulty

of that last pregnancy did not cause so much easy tearfullness when I was

informed that it may be safer to stop for health reasons. I've always

wondered if I was given some incorrect info and that things would have turned

out ok for another child. My children are so important to me. I don't think

that I have spoiled them too much, but I do more for them than I have ever

done for myself.

What went wrong for us as husband and wife was mainly that he sent me to

counselors and would not agree that we as a married couple are a team and if

we want things to work out, the counseling is needed for both. His excuse

was always there is nothing wrong with him.

I have always blamed some of the delay that my son has as though it is my

fault. Yet, neither I nor the doctor could not change the fact that my son

was placenta premia and that any more children born by me would also have

some difficulty. I have always believed that if you are informed that you

are likely to give birth to an un-healthy or limited child, it is not fair to

yourself, the child, nor the family that you already have to add another

challenge. I am blessed to have 3 healthy children.

My mom had 7 children and I know that at least 2 of her births were

difficult. Yet she did not give up or take heed to the warning. That was

birth # 2 and 5 for her. Both me and my sister Berni stopped after our third

child due to the difficulties of the birth and further expected health

reasons for any more. We watched 2 other sisters go through multiple

miscarriages and we wern't ready to handle that also. We decide to try to be

happy with our 3.

Thanks, I just need someone to help me continue to convince myself that

stopping was right and best for all.

Jeanette

In fact I will do thingmore for them anything for them difficulty and that it

and I'm pretty sure that it may not be hefor the best reasons

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We always do more for our children than we do for ourselves. It's the

nature of being a mom.

I respect your decision and I hope you find all the fullfillment you

require by teaching. Those little hugs will get you through the

day.

You can e-mail me personally if you wish to talk:

Redheadedelf37@.... Anyone here can tell you I LOVE to talk.

And as nuts as I sound sometimes, I do have some semblence of sense,

I promise.

Hugs to you and smile it's good for you..

Pam

> Thanks Pam.

>

> In some ways I know it is a selfish reason, but right now I'm just

feeling

> the aloneness of not having anyone small around to give me a hug

anymore.

>

> I need some fullfillment somewhere and I think the teaching may be

enough to

> settle for.

>

> The other would be too much risk mainly for health reasons for both

the baby

> and me. That is what stopped me at the age of 34 and now I regret

that I

> wasn't willing to take another chance then. I just wish that the

difficulty

> of that last pregnancy did not cause so much easy tearfullness when

I was

> informed that it may be safer to stop for health reasons. I've

always

> wondered if I was given some incorrect info and that things would

have turned

> out ok for another child. My children are so important to me. I

don't think

> that I have spoiled them too much, but I do more for them than I

have ever

> done for myself.

>

> What went wrong for us as husband and wife was mainly that he sent

me to

> counselors and would not agree that we as a married couple are a

team and if

> we want things to work out, the counseling is needed for both. His

excuse

> was always there is nothing wrong with him.

>

> I have always blamed some of the delay that my son has as though it

is my

> fault. Yet, neither I nor the doctor could not change the fact

that my son

> was placenta premia and that any more children born by me would

also have

> some difficulty. I have always believed that if you are informed

that you

> are likely to give birth to an un-healthy or limited child, it is

not fair to

> yourself, the child, nor the family that you already have to add

another

> challenge. I am blessed to have 3 healthy children.

>

> My mom had 7 children and I know that at least 2 of her births were

> difficult. Yet she did not give up or take heed to the warning.

That was

> birth # 2 and 5 for her. Both me and my sister Berni stopped after

our third

> child due to the difficulties of the birth and further expected

health

> reasons for any more. We watched 2 other sisters go through

multiple

> miscarriages and we wern't ready to handle that also. We decide to

try to be

> happy with our 3.

>

> Thanks, I just need someone to help me continue to convince myself

that

> stopping was right and best for all.

>

> Jeanette

>

>

> In fact I will do thingmore for them anything for them difficulty

and that it

> and I'm pretty sure that it may not be hefor the best reasons

>

>

>

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LOL! That is funny!

:)

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---But is it going to far when your nine yr old ds helps with laundry

and says " Dude, you really need some underwear look at the holes? "

In TubalLigationReversal , " Pam

<Redheadedelf37@a...> " <Redheadedelf37@a...> wrote:

> We always do more for our children than we do for ourselves. It's

the

> nature of being a mom.

> I respect your decision and I hope you find all the fullfillment

you

> require by teaching. Those little hugs will get you through the

> day.

> You can e-mail me personally if you wish to talk:

> Redheadedelf37@a... Anyone here can tell you I LOVE to talk.

> And as nuts as I sound sometimes, I do have some semblence of

sense,

> I promise.

> Hugs to you and smile it's good for you..

> Pam

>

> > Thanks Pam.

> >

> > In some ways I know it is a selfish reason, but right now I'm

just

> feeling

> > the aloneness of not having anyone small around to give me a hug

> anymore.

> >

> > I need some fullfillment somewhere and I think the teaching may

be

> enough to

> > settle for.

> >

> > The other would be too much risk mainly for health reasons for

both

> the baby

> > and me. That is what stopped me at the age of 34 and now I

regret

> that I

> > wasn't willing to take another chance then. I just wish that the

> difficulty

> > of that last pregnancy did not cause so much easy tearfullness

when

> I was

> > informed that it may be safer to stop for health reasons. I've

> always

> > wondered if I was given some incorrect info and that things would

> have turned

> > out ok for another child. My children are so important to me. I

> don't think

> > that I have spoiled them too much, but I do more for them than I

> have ever

> > done for myself.

> >

> > What went wrong for us as husband and wife was mainly that he

sent

> me to

> > counselors and would not agree that we as a married couple are a

> team and if

> > we want things to work out, the counseling is needed for both.

His

> excuse

> > was always there is nothing wrong with him.

> >

> > I have always blamed some of the delay that my son has as though

it

> is my

> > fault. Yet, neither I nor the doctor could not change the fact

> that my son

> > was placenta premia and that any more children born by me would

> also have

> > some difficulty. I have always believed that if you are informed

> that you

> > are likely to give birth to an un-healthy or limited child, it is

> not fair to

> > yourself, the child, nor the family that you already have to add

> another

> > challenge. I am blessed to have 3 healthy children.

> >

> > My mom had 7 children and I know that at least 2 of her births

were

> > difficult. Yet she did not give up or take heed to the warning.

> That was

> > birth # 2 and 5 for her. Both me and my sister Berni stopped

after

> our third

> > child due to the difficulties of the birth and further expected

> health

> > reasons for any more. We watched 2 other sisters go through

> multiple

> > miscarriages and we wern't ready to handle that also. We decide

to

> try to be

> > happy with our 3.

> >

> > Thanks, I just need someone to help me continue to convince

myself

> that

> > stopping was right and best for all.

> >

> > Jeanette

> >

> >

> > In fact I will do thingmore for them anything for them difficulty

> and that it

> > and I'm pretty sure that it may not be hefor the best reasons

> >

> >

> >

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---But is it going to far when your nine yr old ds helps with laundry

and says " Dude, you really need some underwear look at the holes? "

In TubalLigationReversal , " Pam

<Redheadedelf37@a...> " <Redheadedelf37@a...> wrote:

> We always do more for our children than we do for ourselves. It's

the

> nature of being a mom.

> I respect your decision and I hope you find all the fullfillment

you

> require by teaching. Those little hugs will get you through the

> day.

> You can e-mail me personally if you wish to talk:

> Redheadedelf37@a... Anyone here can tell you I LOVE to talk.

> And as nuts as I sound sometimes, I do have some semblence of

sense,

> I promise.

> Hugs to you and smile it's good for you..

> Pam

>

> > Thanks Pam.

> >

> > In some ways I know it is a selfish reason, but right now I'm

just

> feeling

> > the aloneness of not having anyone small around to give me a hug

> anymore.

> >

> > I need some fullfillment somewhere and I think the teaching may

be

> enough to

> > settle for.

> >

> > The other would be too much risk mainly for health reasons for

both

> the baby

> > and me. That is what stopped me at the age of 34 and now I

regret

> that I

> > wasn't willing to take another chance then. I just wish that the

> difficulty

> > of that last pregnancy did not cause so much easy tearfullness

when

> I was

> > informed that it may be safer to stop for health reasons. I've

> always

> > wondered if I was given some incorrect info and that things would

> have turned

> > out ok for another child. My children are so important to me. I

> don't think

> > that I have spoiled them too much, but I do more for them than I

> have ever

> > done for myself.

> >

> > What went wrong for us as husband and wife was mainly that he

sent

> me to

> > counselors and would not agree that we as a married couple are a

> team and if

> > we want things to work out, the counseling is needed for both.

His

> excuse

> > was always there is nothing wrong with him.

> >

> > I have always blamed some of the delay that my son has as though

it

> is my

> > fault. Yet, neither I nor the doctor could not change the fact

> that my son

> > was placenta premia and that any more children born by me would

> also have

> > some difficulty. I have always believed that if you are informed

> that you

> > are likely to give birth to an un-healthy or limited child, it is

> not fair to

> > yourself, the child, nor the family that you already have to add

> another

> > challenge. I am blessed to have 3 healthy children.

> >

> > My mom had 7 children and I know that at least 2 of her births

were

> > difficult. Yet she did not give up or take heed to the warning.

> That was

> > birth # 2 and 5 for her. Both me and my sister Berni stopped

after

> our third

> > child due to the difficulties of the birth and further expected

> health

> > reasons for any more. We watched 2 other sisters go through

> multiple

> > miscarriages and we wern't ready to handle that also. We decide

to

> try to be

> > happy with our 3.

> >

> > Thanks, I just need someone to help me continue to convince

myself

> that

> > stopping was right and best for all.

> >

> > Jeanette

> >

> >

> > In fact I will do thingmore for them anything for them difficulty

> and that it

> > and I'm pretty sure that it may not be hefor the best reasons

> >

> >

> >

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Tami,

I have been both lucky and unlucky where doctors are concerned. Happily

ever since I was properly diagnosed I have been lucky to have seen some

very good doctors.

The doctor who I m seeing now is excellent. Trained at Columbia University, he

practiced in New York for a number of years

and has seen everything. He is very conservative but he is not afraid to

prescribe whatever is required to relieve my pain. He also tells you the truth,

good or bad you always know where you stand. SO recently I have been lucky.

When I was young I saw some amazingly self centered and opinionated " Docs " . I

was told when I about 19 that young people are not

supposed to have pain! I was told that it was all in my head and I

should learn to live with it like everyone else does. That I should be ashamed

of myself for being such a wimp and wasting the time of the nurses and doctors

who have real sick people to take care of.

I believed it too. I almost blew my brains out once because I hurt so bad and

felt so guilty for having that pain. It almost drove me crazy.

Then the doctors refused to see me anymore and called me a drug seeker and sent

me to a methadone program. That was were I met this wonderful doctor who

literally saved my life.

When I walked in the room for an interview she asked me when I had gotten my

last set of x-rays. I said X-rays? What for? She said well I can't tell for sure

but you have some spinal problems and you need to have a number of tests,

x-rays, and an MRI.

She refused to allow on to her program and sent a letter to my Doctor and he

ordered the tests that would FINALLY diagnose the Spina Bifida that I had been

suffering from since birth!

I have shortened this story a lot and it is still a long story so I will stop

here, but you can see I have had some very good and some very bad doctors. There

are so many people who have been through very similar events as I have. It's

madness but it is how things are in our country. I have to wonder about all of

the people who never found meaningful help and ended up taking their own life.

in Bama

>Tami B in Pa wrote:

>

>

> , I am sorry to hear about your experience. at is what

> is important.

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