RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

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Hmmm. The link didn't work out . Think Its my network DNS

acting up again I'll have to try it later.

RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

,

You had me worried on that one. I hope you're holed up somewhere

cool. It's

a good job we've got such sensible gun laws in UK, otherwise I might

have

bought a .44 smokeless instead of a soprano saxophone as my leetle

treat

with cash produced when my stepette " ex " recently required the

surrender of

some joint life-policies.

Proud saxophoto with my front room in evidence at

http://geocities.igzone/soprano.html

-- it's good straight note-shooter (no silencer!),

.

[Guest guest]

I know I added it in before with no success. Just tried again and

again no luck. Attempted the generic www. Geocities.com and was

redirected to

geocities .yahoo.com go figure.

www.geocities.igzone.com

is Under Construction

We recently registered our domain name for FREE at...

RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

-- I think it likes to have the formerly absent " www " , so if you get

a

chance try again.

http://www.geocities.igzone/soprano.html

D.

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>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: " 12-Step-Free (E-mail) " <12-step-freeegroups>

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:45:50 -0500

>

>Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

>knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

>you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

>that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items

These interchanges remind me of another " blessing of civilization " Xtianity

has brought us - one that didn't mention but IMO exemplifies - the

sad tendency to denigrate of all things female, to shame and silence women,

and to use misogynistic bible passages to justify it.

perhaps too morosely,

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Oh, I agree that the tendency is not confined to Christianity - it's just

the first thing that came to mind when trumpeted about the

" blessings of civilization " ... very little of Christian theology is

" original " , but many Christians have taken that ball and run with it.

Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto

them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith

the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at

home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. I Corinthians

14:34-35

Let the woman learn in silence and all subjection. But I suffer not a woman

to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For

Adam was formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being

deceived was in the transgression. I 2:11-14

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:12:49 -0700

>

>I agree with you for the most part, , except that I don't think

>this tendency is confined to Christianity.

>

>But if we don't laugh sometimes, we become zealots.

>---

>Kayleigh

>

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> >>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >>To: " 12-Step-Free (E-mail) " <12-step-freeegroups>

> >>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

> >>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:45:50 -0500

> >>

> >>Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

> >>knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

> >>you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

> >>that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items

> >

> >These interchanges remind me of another " blessing of civilization "

>Xtianity

> >has brought us - one that didn't mention but IMO exemplifies -

>the

> >sad tendency to denigrate of all things female, to shame and silence

>women,

> >and to use misogynistic bible passages to justify it.

> >perhaps too morosely,

> >

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It does bring out the zealot in me when I see in my everyday life examples

of how certain people find poisonous messages in the Bible and use them to

justify evil and intolerance. It's not just the " old days " those days when

the Church accepted and defended slavery, Church ministers quoted the bible

seeking to deny women the right to vote and to plan their families, to deny

the roundness of the world, etc. that concern me. It is the fact that this

dangerous, stubborn, short-sightedness continues, and it pisses me off.

Did anyone hear about the guy who beat his dog to death this week? His

defense and the reason he slew the poor creature is that the dog (a male)

humped another male dog. I could not make this stuff up. It frightens me

that there are so-called Christians who would kill my brother (a homosexual)

for merely existing.

I mean no disrespect to the messages of peace and love (ie Sermon on the

Mount) that characterized the Christianity I thought existed as a child.

From where I sit, however, this aspect, rather than being the functional

core of the Christian community, is too often IMO a pretty icing on some

pretty scary and contradictory messages.

I come from a Christian family (ranging from casual to evangelical in

observance), went to a Catholic school, most of the people I know are

Christian. I am not against Christian people. I am just wary of the

zealots - much as I am wary of 12-step zealots. And I resent the apologists

from each group that silently assent and allow the zealots their destructive

rampages.

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:12:49 -0700

>

>I agree with you for the most part, , except that I don't think

>this tendency is confined to Christianity.

>

>But if we don't laugh sometimes, we become zealots.

>---

>Kayleigh

>

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> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >>To: " 12-Step-Free (E-mail) " <12-step-freeegroups>

> >>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

> >>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:45:50 -0500

> >>

> >>Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

> >>knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

> >>you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

> >>that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items

> >

> >These interchanges remind me of another " blessing of civilization "

>Xtianity

> >has brought us - one that didn't mention but IMO exemplifies -

>the

> >sad tendency to denigrate of all things female, to shame and silence

>women,

> >and to use misogynistic bible passages to justify it.

> >perhaps too morosely,

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hey, I'm not offended, can't obviously speak for others. I guess noone really

understood what I meant by the " ladylike " comment I made, so I'll elaborate a

little more.

I had a job once in which I was a little more aggressive than some of my

colleagues liked. I should add that I was hired by a state agency because the

head of that agency did not trust the advice he was getting from the assistant

attorneys general, and he was right. However, the AG's complained, and I was

told to be ladylike. Subsequently my boss was replaced by someone who knew less

about the field than the guy who hired me, and though he didn't trust me at

first, he turned around after making about three major blunders based on advice

given him by the AG's. (This took about three years and some major federal

fines.) Anyway, it became a running gag on the management team (except the

boss, in both cases), and it was a great copout, e.g. " I'd get myself some

coffee, Tim, but it wouldn't be ladylike, can you help out? " " Bob, I can't move

those cartons without becoming unladylike, what if you bring them in here? "

There was also stuff along the lines of " Uh-oh, she's about to be unladylike, "

or (from me) " If anyone objects to my being unladylike, they'd better leave the

room before I make my next observation. "

In fact, if this isn't clear by now, the initial objection from the AG's (that I

wasn't ladylike) was intended to gag me and limit my effectiveness.

---

Kayleigh

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>Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

>knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

>you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

>that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items. I

>had presumed that this was a round about reply to you're original

>discussion on the subject. I decided to poke a little fun at both of

>you. Sorry. I even got to the point where I was going to send this

>one in but I decided against it for fear it might piss all three of

>you off. But it's in fun and I don't mean anything by it so here it

>is.

>

>

>The setup: In response to calling Dina baby and keeping in

>mind the Lady exchange between you and .

>

>

>Dina chooses a Saturday Night Special muttering " I got your baby

>right here buddy " while Kayleigh opts for the Izmish Bison 2. Dina

>and Kayleigh methodically clean their machinery. The smell of gun

>oil permeates the room.

>

>You're move Dina says Kayleigh. I've had about all I'm gonna take

>from this incredibly insightful French speaking, obscure writing

>religiously well informed possible misogynist.

>

>Right! replies Dina. Head shot first then the groin. I ain't having

>no more of that baby shit.

>

>, looks on, a tad bit nervous. Errr uhh come on bab... errr

>ladies I was only joking.

>

>The jokes on you buddy. They don't call us the Pistol Packen Mommas

>for nothen. Blam! Blat! rat ta tat tat Splat!

>

>Blood squirts from ' head and nether regions. You know, said

>Dina, one shot would of done it. Ya, but 7's heaven isn't it?

>replied Kayleigh. Besides if this damn thing hadn't jammed on me you

>wouldn't be able to recognize him now. Should have bought American

>like the NRA keeps telling me.

>

>Right. 's next. You ready Dina? Ya but good luck finding him

>the little wuss just took off running.

>

>Apparently he's not as stupid as I thought he was giggled Kayliegh.

>He'll be back and I'll have this thing fixed by then.

>

> Re: Judith re kissin'butt in AA

>

>Dina

>-- tweak my defaults baby.

>

>

>

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I agree with you for the most part, , except that I don't think this

tendency is confined to Christianity.

But if we don't laugh sometimes, we become zealots.

---

Kayleigh

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>>

>>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>>To: " 12-Step-Free (E-mail) " <12-step-freeegroups>

>>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:45:50 -0500

>>

>>Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

>>knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

>>you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

>>that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items

>

>These interchanges remind me of another " blessing of civilization " Xtianity

>has brought us - one that didn't mention but IMO exemplifies - the

>sad tendency to denigrate of all things female, to shame and silence women,

>and to use misogynistic bible passages to justify it.

>perhaps too morosely,

>

>________________________________________________________________________

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Thought you might say that. Note post following.

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:21:39 GMT

>

>,

>I would maintain that the matter to which you refer in the Bible is

>largely

>in the Old Testament.

>

>Respectfully,

>

>.

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

> >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:07:51 EDT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> > >To: " 12-Step-Free (E-mail) " <12-step-freeegroups>

> > >Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>

> > >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:45:50 -0500

> > >

> > >Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

> > >knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

> > >you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

> > >that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items

> >

> >These interchanges remind me of another " blessing of civilization "

>Xtianity

> >has brought us - one that didn't mention but IMO exemplifies -

>the

> >sad tendency to denigrate of all things female, to shame and silence

>women,

> >and to use misogynistic bible passages to justify it.

> >perhaps too morosely,

> >

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,

You had me worried on that one. I hope you're holed up somewhere cool. It's

a good job we've got such sensible gun laws in UK, otherwise I might have

bought a .44 smokeless instead of a soprano saxophone as my leetle treat

with cash produced when my stepette " ex " recently required the surrender of

some joint life-policies.

Proud saxophoto with my front room in evidence at

http://geocities.igzone/soprano.html

-- it's good straight note-shooter (no silencer!),

.

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: " 12-Step-Free (E-mail) " <12-step-freeegroups>

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:45:50 -0500

>

>Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

>knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

>you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

>that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items. I

>had presumed that this was a round about reply to you're original

>discussion on the subject. I decided to poke a little fun at both of

>you. Sorry. I even got to the point where I was going to send this

>one in but I decided against it for fear it might piss all three of

>you off. But it's in fun and I don't mean anything by it so here it

>is.

>

>

>The setup: In response to calling Dina baby and keeping in

>mind the Lady exchange between you and .

>

>

>Dina chooses a Saturday Night Special muttering " I got your baby

>right here buddy " while Kayleigh opts for the Izmish Bison 2. Dina

>and Kayleigh methodically clean their machinery. The smell of gun

>oil permeates the room.

>

>You're move Dina says Kayleigh. I've had about all I'm gonna take

>from this incredibly insightful French speaking, obscure writing

>religiously well informed possible misogynist.

>

>Right! replies Dina. Head shot first then the groin. I ain't having

>no more of that baby shit.

>

>, looks on, a tad bit nervous. Errr uhh come on bab... errr

>ladies I was only joking.

>

>The jokes on you buddy. They don't call us the Pistol Packen Mommas

>for nothen. Blam! Blat! rat ta tat tat Splat!

>

>Blood squirts from ' head and nether regions. You know, said

>Dina, one shot would of done it. Ya, but 7's heaven isn't it?

>replied Kayleigh. Besides if this damn thing hadn't jammed on me you

>wouldn't be able to recognize him now. Should have bought American

>like the NRA keeps telling me.

>

>Right. 's next. You ready Dina? Ya but good luck finding him

>the little wuss just took off running.

>

>Apparently he's not as stupid as I thought he was giggled Kayliegh.

>He'll be back and I'll have this thing fixed by then.

>

> Re: Judith re kissin'butt in AA

>

>Dina

>-- tweak my defaults baby.

>

>

>

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,

I would maintain that the matter to which you refer in the Bible is largely

in the Old Testament.

Respectfully,

.

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:07:51 EDT

>

>

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >To: " 12-Step-Free (E-mail) " <12-step-freeegroups>

> >Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

> >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:45:50 -0500

> >

> >Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

> >knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

> >you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

> >that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items

>

>These interchanges remind me of another " blessing of civilization " Xtianity

>has brought us - one that didn't mention but IMO exemplifies - the

>sad tendency to denigrate of all things female, to shame and silence women,

>and to use misogynistic bible passages to justify it.

>perhaps too morosely,

>

>________________________________________________________________________

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Hits! Very palpable hits!

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>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:28:58 EDT

>

>Oh, I agree that the tendency is not confined to Christianity - it's just

>the first thing that came to mind when trumpeted about the

> " blessings of civilization " ... very little of Christian theology is

> " original " , but many Christians have taken that ball and run with it.

>

>

>Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto

>them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith

>the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at

>home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. I Corinthians

>14:34-35

>

>Let the woman learn in silence and all subjection. But I suffer not a

>woman

>to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For

>Adam was formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being

>deceived was in the transgression. I 2:11-14

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

> >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:12:49 -0700

> >

> >I agree with you for the most part, , except that I don't think

> >this tendency is confined to Christianity.

> >

> >But if we don't laugh sometimes, we become zealots.

> >---

> >Kayleigh

> >

> > Zz

> > zZ

> > |\ z _,,,---,,_

> > /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_

> > |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'

> > '---''(_/--' `-'\_)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >>

> > >>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> > >>To: " 12-Step-Free (E-mail) " <12-step-freeegroups>

> > >>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>

> > >>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:45:50 -0500

> > >>

> > >>Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

> > >>knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

> > >>you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

> > >>that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items

> > >

> > >These interchanges remind me of another " blessing of civilization "

> >Xtianity

> > >has brought us - one that didn't mention but IMO exemplifies -

> >the

> > >sad tendency to denigrate of all things female, to shame and silence

> >women,

> > >and to use misogynistic bible passages to justify it.

> > >perhaps too morosely,

> > >

> >

> >________________________________________________________________________

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>http://www.hotmail.com

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" For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel "

-- Romans 9:6.

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>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:58:49 EDT

>

>It does bring out the zealot in me when I see in my everyday life examples

>of how certain people find poisonous messages in the Bible and use them to

>justify evil and intolerance. It's not just the " old days " those days when

>the Church accepted and defended slavery, Church ministers quoted the bible

>seeking to deny women the right to vote and to plan their families, to deny

>the roundness of the world, etc. that concern me. It is the fact that this

>dangerous, stubborn, short-sightedness continues, and it pisses me off.

>

>Did anyone hear about the guy who beat his dog to death this week? His

>defense and the reason he slew the poor creature is that the dog (a male)

>humped another male dog. I could not make this stuff up. It frightens me

>that there are so-called Christians who would kill my brother (a

>homosexual)

>for merely existing.

>

>I mean no disrespect to the messages of peace and love (ie Sermon on the

>Mount) that characterized the Christianity I thought existed as a child.

>From where I sit, however, this aspect, rather than being the functional

>core of the Christian community, is too often IMO a pretty icing on some

>pretty scary and contradictory messages.

>

>I come from a Christian family (ranging from casual to evangelical in

>observance), went to a Catholic school, most of the people I know are

>Christian. I am not against Christian people. I am just wary of the

>zealots - much as I am wary of 12-step zealots. And I resent the

>apologists

>from each group that silently assent and allow the zealots their

>destructive

>rampages.

>

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

> >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:12:49 -0700

> >

> >I agree with you for the most part, , except that I don't think

> >this tendency is confined to Christianity.

> >

> >But if we don't laugh sometimes, we become zealots.

> >---

> >Kayleigh

> >

> > Zz

> > zZ

> > |\ z _,,,---,,_

> > /,`.-'`' _ ;-;;,_

> > |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'

> > '---''(_/--' `-'\_)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >>

> > >>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> > >>To: " 12-Step-Free (E-mail) " <12-step-freeegroups>

> > >>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>

> > >>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:45:50 -0500

> > >>

> > >>Kayleigh: In regards the question you posted earlier about not

> > >>knowing what I was referring to. I was referring to the lady comment

> > >>you made awhile back to which had some replies. Anyway in

> > >>that particular message he had bracketed the female gender items

> > >

> > >These interchanges remind me of another " blessing of civilization "

> >Xtianity

> > >has brought us - one that didn't mention but IMO exemplifies -

> >the

> > >sad tendency to denigrate of all things female, to shame and silence

> >women,

> > >and to use misogynistic bible passages to justify it.

> > >perhaps too morosely,

> > >

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[Guest guest]

-- I think it likes to have the formerly absent " www " , so if you get a

chance try again.

http://www.geocities.igzone/soprano.html

D.

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: <12-step-freeegroups>

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:44:47 -0500

>

>Hmmm. The link didn't work out . Think Its my network DNS

>acting up again I'll have to try it later.

>

> RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>

>

>,

>

>You had me worried on that one. I hope you're holed up somewhere

>cool. It's

>a good job we've got such sensible gun laws in UK, otherwise I might

>have

>bought a .44 smokeless instead of a soprano saxophone as my leetle

>treat

>with cash produced when my stepette " ex " recently required the

>surrender of

>some joint life-policies.

>

>Proud saxophoto with my front room in evidence at

>http://geocities.igzone/soprano.html

>

>-- it's good straight note-shooter (no silencer!),

>

>.

>

>

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,

I feel stupid to admit it, but I gave an incomplete URL:

http://www.geocities.com/igzone/soprano.html

ought to do it,

.

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: <12-step-freeegroups>

>Subject: RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:16:06 -0500

>

>I know I added it in before with no success. Just tried again and

>again no luck. Attempted the generic www. Geocities.com and was

>redirected to

>geocities .yahoo.com go figure.

>

>www.geocities.igzone.com

>is Under Construction

>We recently registered our domain name for FREE at...

>

> RE: OT- Just Fun - To Kayleigh, Dina and

>

>

>

>-- I think it likes to have the formerly absent " www " , so if you get

>a

>chance try again.

>

>http://www.geocities.igzone/soprano.html

>

>D.

>

>

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