Re: Krisline's justification

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She chose to drink and drive. There are a lot of heavy drinkers out

there who do not drink and drive. The " disease made me do it "

defense makes most people angry. But she thinks it gives her

justification.

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>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/local/html98/kish30m_20000630.h

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> >An interesting article. It does sound like her drinking escalated

> >after she left MM for AA.

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> > " Two months before the crash, she said, she dropped out of the

> >program and joined Alcoholics Anonymous. But it wasn't long before

> >she was consuming so much wine at night she would drink herself to

> >sleep. "

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> >Moreover, given her history, she was not a candidate for MM.

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Kishline story reminds me of one thing: myself, after 12 or 14 beers. When

Iwas 25 Ii was driving blindly wasted and came to a two way stop. The girl in

the other car stopped too. But then we started to go again at the same time .

So she had the nerve to lay on her horn. So I follwed her home. And when she

got out of her car, I broke the wind shield with her face. But then of course

I was charged with DWI, and assualt and terroristic behavior. I was REMANDED

to the " Drink and Die " program in the Schenectady County Jail. There I

learned it was not my fault. The beer did it I was not responsible, just

accountable. What the hell kind of treatment is that? I came very close to

killing this young woman. If I were her, I would have made sure that I never

saw the outside for 15 to 25. I was out in 60 days and into a rehab. just

like that. There was no justification for that. no excuse. I drank and drank

and did not stop until something happened. usually something violent. This

cycle lasted until about 1995. when I realized that this whole treatment

thing was such bullshit. I was gonna keep doing this because hey, its not my

fault.

Jen

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Blackeyedsuzy wrote:

<< She chose to drink and drive. There are a lot of heavy drinkers out

there who do not drink and drive. The " disease made me do it " defense

makes most people angry. But she thinks it gives her justification. >>

I agree with you. The issue, the CRIME, in DUI is not the

drinking, it is the DRIVING. Regardless of what steppers or the general

population think about alcoholic drinking being a " disease " , do they

really make the claim that there is a " disease " that makes you drive

afterwards?? Clearly there are choices to be made here. The

" designated driver " concept, the " call Mom or Dad " for young people,

calling a cab, staying overnight wherever it is you've gotten snockered

-- all these things have prevented countless DUI tragedies.

I've mentioned this before both here and on other lists -- cases

like Kishline's illustrate the benefit of the Ignition-Interlock

Breathalyzer device. ANYONE with a fondness for heavy drinking, and

especially with a history of choosing to drive afterwards (whether or

not they've been caught) should, as a civic duty, purchase such a device

(which prevents the car from starting without passing a breathalyzer,

and periodically retests the driver). Had such a device been in Ms.

Kishline's car, the worst effect of her binge would have been a nasty

hangover, and no one else would have been hurt.

No one is suggesting that Ms. Kishline should be charged with first

or second degree murder -- of course she never intended to kill anyone.

But the vast majority of killings are unintentional -- doesn't mean the

perpetrator shouldn't serve time, or isn't responsible.

~Rita

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the post, Jen -=- yopu ought to know,

yours,

-- p.s. -- where are my posts going? why are old posts coming in

twice? what's happening man?

>From: javajenv@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: Re: Krisline's justification

>Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:42:25 EDT

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>Kishline story reminds me of one thing: myself, after 12 or 14 beers. When

>Iwas 25 Ii was driving blindly wasted and came to a two way stop. The girl

>in

>the other car stopped too. But then we started to go again at the same time

>.

>So she had the nerve to lay on her horn. So I follwed her home. And when

>she

>got out of her car, I broke the wind shield with her face. But then of

>course

>I was charged with DWI, and assualt and terroristic behavior. I was

>REMANDED

>to the " Drink and Die " program in the Schenectady County Jail. There I

>learned it was not my fault. The beer did it I was not responsible, just

>accountable. What the hell kind of treatment is that? I came very close to

>killing this young woman. If I were her, I would have made sure that I

>never

>saw the outside for 15 to 25. I was out in 60 days and into a rehab. just

>like that. There was no justification for that. no excuse. I drank and

>drank

>and did not stop until something happened. usually something violent. This

>cycle lasted until about 1995. when I realized that this whole treatment

>thing was such bullshit. I was gonna keep doing this because hey, its not

>my

>fault.

>

>Jen

>

>

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