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In a message dated 3/1/03 6:33:55 AM Central Standard Time,

hubleylake@... writes:

> I did cut out a lot from my diet...sugars, all breads

> and pastas, etc., and have been taking Acidophilus/Bifidus pills,

> but beyond that I don't know what to do. Would anyone have any

> suggestions?

Have you considered taking an atifungal? There are quite a few on the market

which many people on this list use. The most popular are:

Pau D'arco

Oil of Oregano

Twin Lab yeast fighters

There are others but I can't think of them right now. You will need to go on

a strict low or no carb diet and take antifungals for a while to get better.

You might want to also look into adrenal fatigue, since you have all the

symptoms of that also.

Hanida

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hi Di, you sound like me. researching and researching and researching.

wanting help with these symptoms. i had stress before i got really sick too

and got swollen lymph nodes in my neck that dr. said not to worry about.

guess what? i worry about it a lot. the dr. said it may or may not go away.

i am very underweight too. does not help that i don't eat meat. hard to put

pounds on. i am sorry that you feel bad. i hope we will find the answer to

this.

SummerThyme

In a message dated 3/1/03 6:33:55 AM Central Standard Time,

hubleylake@... writes:

> Hi all, I happened to find this site this morning in doing research

> on Candidiasis this morning. I'm hoping that you may be able to help

> alleviate some of my concerns.

>

> ............

> Just over a year ago now I went through an extremely stressful time

> in my life...the stress was so extreme that I even began drinking,

> which I do not normally do. I managed to stop the drinking after 3

> months, although would still drink one glass of wine 2 to 3 times a

> week (no longer do that now either). The stress lasted for almost

> the entire year...stress that was so severe it is hard to

> describe...and finally I have managed to control that. But the

> flareup of the stress caused another symptom...a lymph gland in my

> neck became inflamed. This started within days of the onset of the

> stress, and it is still swollen today, over a year later. I had 3

> separate biopsies performed on it, each being inconclusive. So the

> ENT decided to just leave it. In the meantime, I began to take

> better care of myself, running in the park, cutting out fatty foods

> and sodas, etc. I lost 30 lbs in the course of about 10 months,

> going from 138 lbs to 108 (I'm 4'11 " ). And I was feeling better,

> despite still having the swollen lymph gland.

>

> However, in the last two months things have changed drastically.

> About 3 or 4 months ago I developed a case of thrush in my mouth,

> something I've never had before. When I asked my doctor about it he

> said it sometimes happens, didn't know the reason why, and told me

> to gargle with salt water. It did eventually go away on its own, but

> took quite a while. And I was disatisfied with his answers. Then 2

> months ago a growth appeared on my tonsil. My doctor is FINALLY

> concerned about me, and has scheduled me to once again go see the

> ENT. But in the meantime (waiting lists can be wicked here in

> Canada) I have become quite sick. The thrush has returned. I've

> noticed that I am still losing weight, the lymph gland has flared up

> even more and become very tender (it is on the same side as the

> tonsil with the growth), and I've become somewhat nauseous at times,

> VERY tired at times, and now pain in my jaw on that side.

>

> So I happened to run across the word *Candidiasis* on the Internet a

> few weeks ago and found that the symptoms described were very much

> like my own. I did cut out a lot from my diet...sugars, all breads

> and pastas, etc., and have been taking Acidophilus/Bifidus pills,

> but beyond that I don't know what to do. Would anyone have any

> suggestions? And has anyone experienced a growth on their tonsil(s)

> (or elsewhere) such as I described? I am concerned that it is a

> tumour, as is my doctor...yet I've never smoked, and drinking has

> never been an issue except for that one 3-month period. The biopsies

> on the lymph gland never showed anything. And what I have found the

> most frustrating is the fact that my doctors kept plying me with

> antibiotics for years, despite the fact that they never did any

> good. Now, reading about antibiotics and their promotion of the

> growth of candida, I am quite upset. So any suggestions would be

> appreciated, or even just someone to let me know that I am not alone

> in this type of experience.

>

> Thanks for letting me ramble...

>

> Di

>

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Hello

I just joined this group. I am from Latinoamerica, and my English is

not so good yet.

I have been researching for a while about candidiasis.

I would like to share something: I am very sure the antibiotics

increase the problem.

I remember that when I was 15-20 years old I was very healthy and

energetic.

But I got an infection and the Doctor prescribed some antibiotics.

Since then I got vaginal yeast infection, allergies, digestion

problems…

My doctors never realized that antibiotics where the cause.

I knew when I got bronchitis and the Doctor prescribed more

antibiotics to me.

I got a terrible vaginitis and I had Irritable bowel and foggy mind

since that treatment with antibiotics.

I recommend now do not take any antibiotics. Once I took cipro: it

seems to be really bad for candidiasis. All my ailments were

aggravated.

Now I am following the Bowel cleansing described in the

www.curezone.com I feel better since it helps my constipation

problem. I have been passing some mucus. My tongue is getting better

( it was all white). I know I need more cleansing and natural

antifungal treatment additionally to diet. I will sharing with you if

I have any progress.

Thank you

Venzule

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/1/03 5:04:03 PM Central Standard Time,

hubleylake@... writes:

> But now I am losing weight without trying, which

> is a bit scary.

>

>

You might consider looking into intestinal parasites, which could be taking

your nutrients from you. Not a pleasant thought, but something that a good

parasite cleanse, or bowel cleanse could help with!

Hanida

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/1/03 5:25:39 PM Central Standard Time,

hubleylake@... writes:

> That's an interesting (iccky) thought! ) Do you know if intestinal

> parasites are linked to candida, or would this be something wholly

> separate?

>

> Oh, and I forgot to mention that my doctor recently found my iron

> levels to be very low and he put me on iron pills. Has anyone ever

> experienced low iron levels in combo with candida?

NO, parasites are something on their own. but they both share the same

environment, so if your intestine is not healthy, it is a great breading

ground for candida and parasites! If you go to curezone.com they have some

good parasite remedies.

As far as Iron goes, it is a constant battle for me also. I found eating red

meat to help, along with getting a time released iron supplement. regular

ones just don't work at all for me.

Hanida

[Guest guest]

Hanida, I will look into those antifungal products that you

suggested. I did do a quick bit of research on adrenal fatigue and a

lot of it does sound like symptoms I have, except from what I've

read it seems to trigger weight gain, but I am having the opposite

problem. I had struggled for years to keep my weight at an

acceptable level, but now I am losing weight without trying, which

is a bit scary.

Thanks for the info... )

> Have you considered taking an atifungal? There are quite a few on

the market which many people on this list use. The most popular are:

> Pau D'arco

> Oil of Oregano

> Twin Lab yeast fighters

> There are others but I can't think of them right now. You will

need to go on a strict low or no carb diet and take antifungals for

a while to get better. You might want to also look into adrenal

fatigue, since you have all the symptoms of that also.

>

> Hanida

>

[Guest guest]

Hi SummerThyme,

Yes, stress was certainly a HUGE factor with me in triggering a lot

of this. And when the stress finally calmed down somewhat, my

symptoms worsened, and so the cycle once again begins. The

appearance of the growth on my tonsil has me and my doctor worried,

and now I've become very sick within the past week. The doctor had

once again put me on an antibiotic about 4 weeks ago, " Cipro " , which

I've seen some people mention here, saying it is bad for

accentuating candida symptoms. And the waiting game to see the

specialist only makes me more stressed out. Can't say I'm too

impressed with the medical community these days.

Have you always been underweight, or has the onset of candida

overgrowth triggered that? Because I always had a problem taking

weight off until now. I also have been avoiding red meat, but only

because it doesn't seem to digest well any more.

Yes, I'm hoping we can help one another in researching and sharing

our experiences...it's not a fun thing to have, especially when

doctors are not too quick to accept it (well, my doctors, anyway).

Thanks very much SummerThyme (love your board name!)...

Di

> hi Di, you sound like me. researching and researching and

researching.

> wanting help with these symptoms. i had stress before i got

really sick too

> and got swollen lymph nodes in my neck that dr. said not to worry

about.

> guess what? i worry about it a lot. the dr. said it may or may

not go away.

> i am very underweight too. does not help that i don't eat meat.

hard to put

> pounds on. i am sorry that you feel bad. i hope we will find the

answer to

> this.

>

> SummerThyme

[Guest guest]

That's an interesting (iccky) thought! ) Do you know if intestinal

parasites are linked to candida, or would this be something wholly

separate?

Oh, and I forgot to mention that my doctor recently found my iron

levels to be very low and he put me on iron pills. Has anyone ever

experienced low iron levels in combo with candida? I suppose it

could be linked to my eating habits, which changed a while ago (I

cut out a lot of things) but I've been taking iron pills for about 4

weeks now and am getting more tired than ever.

> In a message dated 3/1/03 5:04:03 PM Central Standard Time,

> hubleylake@y... writes:

>

> > But now I am losing weight without trying, which

> > is a bit scary.

> >

> >

>

> You might consider looking into intestinal parasites, which could

be taking

> your nutrients from you. Not a pleasant thought, but something

that a good

> parasite cleanse, or bowel cleanse could help with!

>

> Hanida

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi all, I happened to find this site this morning in doing research

> on Candidiasis this morning. I'm hoping that you may be able to

help

> alleviate some of my concerns.

>

> I'm a 45-yr-old female, have been sick off and on for years now,

and

> doctors have never been able to pinpoint a cause. I've suffered

from

> recurring bouts of UTI, constipation, diarrhea, fatigue, bloating,

> mild memory loss, slight pain around my heart, etc. etc. I have

been

> back and forth to my doctor so many times that he began to suggest

I

> was a hypochondriac. Yet at the same time he kept putting me on

> antibiotics to relieve symptoms of UTI (the antibiotics never did

> help). He sent me to two different gynocologists on two separate

> occasions as well, whose solutions were also antibiotics (one of

> those doctors put me on a low-dose version for 6 months...I stopped

> taking them after 2 months). But no one could tell me what was

> wrong. The only diagnosis that I did receive was a few months ago

> when my doctor confirmed that I probably have Irritable Bowel

> Syndrome...this after I suggested to him that I was suffering from

> it.

>

> Just over a year ago now I went through an extremely stressful time

> in my life...the stress was so extreme that I even began drinking,

> which I do not normally do. I managed to stop the drinking after 3

> months, although would still drink one glass of wine 2 to 3 times a

> week (no longer do that now either). The stress lasted for almost

> the entire year...stress that was so severe it is hard to

> describe...and finally I have managed to control that. But the

> flareup of the stress caused another symptom...a lymph gland in my

> neck became inflamed. This started within days of the onset of the

> stress, and it is still swollen today, over a year later. I had 3

> separate biopsies performed on it, each being inconclusive. So the

> ENT decided to just leave it. In the meantime, I began to take

> better care of myself, running in the park, cutting out fatty foods

> and sodas, etc. I lost 30 lbs in the course of about 10 months,

> going from 138 lbs to 108 (I'm 4'11 " ). And I was feeling better,

> despite still having the swollen lymph gland.

>

> However, in the last two months things have changed drastically.

> About 3 or 4 months ago I developed a case of thrush in my mouth,

> something I've never had before. When I asked my doctor about it he

> said it sometimes happens, didn't know the reason why, and told me

> to gargle with salt water. It did eventually go away on its own,

but

> took quite a while. And I was disatisfied with his answers. Then 2

> months ago a growth appeared on my tonsil. My doctor is FINALLY

> concerned about me, and has scheduled me to once again go see the

> ENT. But in the meantime (waiting lists can be wicked here in

> Canada) I have become quite sick. The thrush has returned. I've

> noticed that I am still losing weight, the lymph gland has flared

up

> even more and become very tender (it is on the same side as the

> tonsil with the growth), and I've become somewhat nauseous at

times,

> VERY tired at times, and now pain in my jaw on that side.

>

> So I happened to run across the word *Candidiasis* on the Internet

a

> few weeks ago and found that the symptoms described were very much

> like my own. I did cut out a lot from my diet...sugars, all breads

> and pastas, etc., and have been taking Acidophilus/Bifidus pills,

> but beyond that I don't know what to do. Would anyone have any

> suggestions? And has anyone experienced a growth on their tonsil(s)

> (or elsewhere) such as I described? I am concerned that it is a

> tumour, as is my doctor...yet I've never smoked, and drinking has

> never been an issue except for that one 3-month period. The

biopsies

> on the lymph gland never showed anything. And what I have found the

> most frustrating is the fact that my doctors kept plying me with

> antibiotics for years, despite the fact that they never did any

> good. Now, reading about antibiotics and their promotion of the

> growth of candida, I am quite upset. So any suggestions would be

> appreciated, or even just someone to let me know that I am not

alone

> in this type of experience.

>

> Thanks for letting me ramble...

>

> Di

Like someone said in a previous post you are a classic case for

candida overgrowth. I've been battling this for 15 years and spent

most of that time not knowing what to do and couldn't find anybody

who did. I did a lot of experimenting and tried anything that

suggested it might help. I have within the last year been able to

make dramatic improvement and I now see a day in the near future

where I will completely rid of this monster. On a scale of 1 to 10 I

am now coming off 8 and heading into 9 and 10 before years end, 10

being a complete cure. To overcome this you've got to concentrate on

the central cause and not get lost in all the side issues. We have

brought this on ourselves by diet, lifestyle and pharmaceutical

drugs. The balance between good and bad micro-organisms in the gut

has been upset and there will be no cure until this balance is

regained. The first thing I would suggest is to cleanse and heal the

bowel, most of us have leaky gut and this lets toxins enter the blood

stream and overwhelm the immune system. I got more results in 5

months from an herbal formula for the lower bowel than all the

previous years trial and error combined. This herbal combination will

cleanse, kill candida, heal the gut, increase transit time, provide

Iron, and retrain the bowel. This is not just a laxative, it is food

for the bowels. I get the formula called FenLB from

www.herbsfirst.com, this was created by Dr. and has

been in use for over 50 years and ranks in the top 20 of most used

formulas worldwide. You will need to take this long term to get the

desired results, I took it for 5 months and some have to take it up

to a year. The next thing to look at is getting the good micro-

organisms back into their home. This is easier said than done once

candida gets a hold. You have to keep taking large amount of

probiotics, switching brands and combining until this is

accomplished, overdo it on the safe side. I took a lot of probiotics

but Primal Defense helped me more than the rest.

http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/products/primaldefense.html

I would suggest taking the maximum dose of this for a while and then

switching to iFlora, (www.marysgarden.com) and Microflora Restore

(www.altcancer.com) taken together. With these two products you are

cleansing out the candida and the food it lives on, you are healing

the gut and replacing the good bacteria, this addresses the core

issue of why we got sick in the first place.

I also take whole foods and herbs in a green drink that is very high

in Chlorophyll which is antifungal and a great blood builder. The

whole foods are high in vitamin and minerals including trace minerals

in a form the body can use and some of the herbs are for cleansing

and rebuilding the liver.

Here is what I use, Alfalfa Powder, Barley Grass Power, Wheatgrass

Powder, Milk Thistle, Slippery Elm, Horsetail (Shavegrass) herb, Beet

Root Powder, Spinach Powder, Oat Straw Powder, Kelp Powder, Dandelion

Powder, Irish Moss Powder, Ginger Root Powder, Rose Hips Powder, Bee

Pollen Powder and deactivated Brewers yeast. I also add to this

Cayenne pepper. This is not the best tasting stuff, if you think

you'll have trouble with that you can get a capsule filler and

capsules and all the herbs at www.herbalcom.com.

Don't spend a lot of time worrying about diet just remember, stay

away from sugar and anything that turns to sugar quickly.

I would also suggest drinking nothing but distilled water.

Here are some other things I found helpful, Aerobic Oxygen,

Elderberry Juice, Apple Cider Vinegar (organic).

Sam

[Guest guest]

TJ, thank you so much for all the info!!! Some of what you mentioned

I have already started doing, but there is so much you wrote that I

had never even heard about. (I will now be able to go to the health

food store armed with info on what to get.) I did give up coffee a

couple of weeks ago, but had still been drinking frozen concentrated

fruit juices, even though I'd read that fruits should be given up

for at least 3 weeks initially. And I also read today that the

frozen concentrates contain yeast! I didn't know that. I have now

stopped drinking them anyway. What I've been drinking for the past

week or so now is mostly just hot water with lemon, or with fresh

ginger. I do take an acidophilus/bifidus (double dose) combo, as

well as an iron supplement (for my low iron levels) and a digestive

enzyme. I am also now learning to read labels on everything I buy.

The sugar cravings were a bit tougher to deal with, but if I don't

have it in the house I won't eat it.

As for the anti-candida diet, is there one recommended? I've seen a

few listed in various sites on the Internet, but sometimes there

seems to be conflicting info with regards to what one can and can't

have. And I have restricted myself from so many foods within the

past couple of weeks, am getting used to the restrictions, so I

don't think I'd have much of a problem following it long-term.

And you're right, this is most likely in my throat as well, because

I have a feeling most of the time of *something* in my throat,

halfway down.

Not fun stuff, but it is so great to hear that people are having

success battling this!

Oh, and the die-off that you mentioned, that was going to be my

question when I came back here to post again, having never heard of

it before. Well, I already feel as though I'm something the cat

dragged in, so beyond tired and just an overall *ugh* feeling

through my system, so that won't bother me as long as I know it's

for my own good in the long run.

Thank you so much TJ, I am so glad to have found you and this group!

[Guest guest]

Hello Di.

I am no expert on this subject, but I believe that once the candida

has taken over and the good bacteria is practically gone, then the

intestines are fair game for any- and everything.

I've also found that, because I was so full/bloated with the candida,

that there was no room for me to eat the amount of food needed. I

would just get full too quickly.

Some cheap things that I've tried are:

1. Pumpkin seeds - this seemed to drug the parasites. Purchase at a

health food store.

2. Par d'arco tea - when I drank this tea, I noticed alot

of " activity " in my body - all over. Whatever was in me did not like

this. However, if I drank it a little while after taking the pumpkin

seeds, the movement was not as noticeable.

3. Ground flax seeds - bought the seeds in a health food store, and

then grounded them up in a miniature coffee grinder. I would

sprinkle this in my hot cereal. This is good for fiber. It keeps

your bowels moving. If you do not remember anything else, remember

this, when you start killing " creatures " in your body you need to

make sure that it is getting out as quickly as possible. The die-off

can be pretty bad for some people.

4. Water - the water must be clean. I guess this goes without

saying, but I am one who does not " like " water, and therefore, drank

everything but water.

I was kind of underweight as well. When I did these things, in

conjunction with my naturapath giving me probiotics, my " fat " stomach

started flattening. I could not believe it. I was also able to eat

more food than I've eaten in my life. My appetite increased, but not

to the point where I was pigging out.

I also read a correlation between candida and biotin. Something to

the effect that the biotin may be low in those who have candida.

Please don't quote me on that though. It's been awhile. Anyway, if

there is something to this and you decide to take a biotin

supplement, you must also take the B-complex. I've heard that taking

any of the B's by itself, can " unbalance " the rest of the B's.

So this is additional information that you can research on the

internet. Remember research, research, research. Start slowly to

see how your body responds to the different things.

One important last point, whenever you start doing these things

please make sure that you have access to the restroom. If you work,

be mindful of that. I started getting real aggressive taking these

products over a lonnnnnnnnng weekend. Although not recommended, I

would slack off during the week, and then get real aggressive again

on Friday evening.

Take care,

Niz

<<<Do you know if intestinal parasites are linked to candida, or

would this be something wholly separate?>>>

[Guest guest]

Okay Di, here is a link which will describe the correlation between

biotin deficiency and candida. I am not advertising for this

company, as I do not know them, nor have I used any of their products.

http://www.flora-balance.com/Biotin.htm

[Guest guest]

....and Food Based iron has a great reputation for assimilation-- as it's one

of those hard to assimilate minerals-- also can cause constipation when

supplemented. Florodix has been touted as well. Reintroducing red meat from

organic sources has helped me immensely.

D

[Guest guest]

That looks like a commendable protocol list--Thorough, --and I'll second that

motion for you, Di-- There was just one thing that I thought to add which

may be quite important and that is an immuno stimulator-- your immune system

has been through hell and is really working overtime-- hence, your tonsil! I

know of one with a great reputation called Moducare-- It is comprised mainly

of plant sterols-- to help rebuild your immune system. I'm sure there are

others. (Input of this would be appreciated from other forum contributors

who have had good experiences with any.) All of the cleansing in necessary,

and the body often is so weak after such a prolonged period of imbalance,

that it depends on strengthening the immune system which will allow it to

begin to release the yeast and 'handle' the process of it.

So much of your experience sounds like mine-- the antibiotics, the stress,

the alcohol bout, and debilitating, yet somehow ignorable to the Meds, state

of health. I'm still in the early stages of recovery, but feel good about my

direction.

I wish you the best of journies in regaining your health and refinding you

life!

D-- (I'm also Diane and often go by 'Di'!)

[Guest guest]

hi Di, i have always been thin except for a few years ago when i was about 10

-15 pounds heavier. looking back, i wonder if that was a clue. i love this

list. i am getting good information. let's keep in touch on what is working?

SummerThyme ps. thanks for the compliment on the name. =))))))

In a message dated 3/1/03 5:19:43 PM Central Standard Time,

hubleylake@... writes:

> Hi SummerThyme,

>

> Have you always been underweight, or has the onset of candida

> overgrowth triggered that? Because I always had a problem taking

> weight off until now. I also have been avoiding red meat, but only

> because it doesn't seem to digest well any more.

>

> Yes, I'm hoping we can help one another in researching and sharing

> our experiences...it's not a fun thing to have, especially when

> doctors are not too quick to accept it (well, my doctors, anyway).

>

> Thanks very much SummerThyme (love your board name!)...

>

> Di

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/1/03 6:20:50 PM Central Standard Time,

hooversmomrocks@... writes:

>

> Two suggestions: (1

lots of good suggestions here. thank you. this post alone must have saved me

weeks of searching the web.

SummerThyme

[Guest guest]

The program and diet information at www.wholeapproach.com are really

helpful.

I'm using their products and i'm having good results.

I also like Pau D'arco tea. The Body Ecology website and book are

also good.

> In a message dated 3/1/03 6:33:55 AM Central Standard Time,

> hubleylake@y... writes:

>

> > I did cut out a lot from my diet...sugars, all breads

> > and pastas, etc., and have been taking Acidophilus/Bifidus pills,

> > but beyond that I don't know what to do. Would anyone have any

> > suggestions?

>

> Have you considered taking an atifungal? There are quite a few on

the market

> which many people on this list use. The most popular are:

> Pau D'arco

> Oil of Oregano

> Twin Lab yeast fighters

> There are others but I can't think of them right now. You will

need to go on

> a strict low or no carb diet and take antifungals for a while to

get better.

> You might want to also look into adrenal fatigue, since you have

all the

> symptoms of that also.

>

> Hanida

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Di

Little aliens making their infamously clumsy exit, perhaps--

just stay with it-- sounds like you're a trooper! --A fine addition to the

collection of peaceful warriors on this forum!

Health and Blessings,

Di

[Guest guest]

Hi Di... )

I did pick up some garlic capsules yesterday; it says on the bottle

that they are an immune booster, so I'm hoping they will help...but

thank you for the tip about Moducare! This sure can be overwhelming

when first learning about it, can't it? Holy cow...

For the past week I've been going through an awful lot of

illness...achy, so beyond tired that sometimes I cannot function,

headaches, nausea....I suspect this might be what others were

talking about - dying off. I had begun changing my eating habits a

while ago, cutting out a lot of things, but it is just in the past

week and a half or two weeks, after I became aware of all this, that

I became really diligent and cut out just about everything that was

bad...with the exception of fruit juice...I only cut that out a few

days ago. And it seems to go back and forth; I will have a day where

I don't feel too bad, then wham! it hits me again. I have actually

felt my upper and lower intestinal tract aching for the past few

days, as well as weird sensations in my abdomen. So I'm assuming

it's from dying-off, and not some alien monster wanting to burst

out! ;o)

Nice to meet you, Di....

*the other Di* )

>

>

> That looks like a commendable protocol list--Thorough, --and I'll

second that

> motion for you, Di-- There was just one thing that I thought to

add which

> may be quite important and that is an immuno stimulator-- your

immune system

> has been through hell and is really working overtime-- hence, your

tonsil! I

> know of one with a great reputation called Moducare-- It is

comprised mainly

> of plant sterols-- to help rebuild your immune system. I'm sure

there are

> others. (Input of this would be appreciated from other forum

contributors

> who have had good experiences with any.) All of the cleansing in

necessary,

> and the body often is so weak after such a prolonged period of

imbalance,

> that it depends on strengthening the immune system which will

allow it to

> begin to release the yeast and 'handle' the process of it.

>

> So much of your experience sounds like mine-- the antibiotics, the

stress,

> the alcohol bout, and debilitating, yet somehow ignorable to the

Meds, state

> of health. I'm still in the early stages of recovery, but feel

good about my

> direction.

>

> I wish you the best of journies in regaining your health and

refinding you

> life!

>

> D-- (I'm also Diane and often go by 'Di'!)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Niz,

Thank you for the advice! I did have a couple of questions about

what you wrote...

The flax seeds, do they need to be ground and not whole? Just

wondering as I used to take flax seeds a few years ago, but back

then I just sprinkled them whole on my food. Does grinding them make

them more effective?

The water that I drink now is tap water put through a Brita filter.

Should it be from a better source, or is filtering tap water enough?

(btw, I've always disliked water too...but am now getting used to

it...guess I have to.)

And research is now becoming my middle name *sigh*. I just ordered

the book that TJ suggested, " The Yeast Syndrome " (can't wait for it

to arrive!), and have been seeking out sites on the 'net, although I

must say, the best advice seems to be coming from right here in this

group.

Well, onward and upward, I guess!

Di

> Hello Di.

>

> I am no expert on this subject, but I believe that once the

candida

> has taken over and the good bacteria is practically gone, then the

> intestines are fair game for any- and everything.

>

> I've also found that, because I was so full/bloated with the

candida,

> that there was no room for me to eat the amount of food needed. I

> would just get full too quickly.

>

> Some cheap things that I've tried are:

>

> 1. Pumpkin seeds - this seemed to drug the parasites. Purchase

at a

> health food store.

>

> 2. Par d'arco tea - when I drank this tea, I noticed alot

> of " activity " in my body - all over. Whatever was in me did not

like

> this. However, if I drank it a little while after taking the

pumpkin

> seeds, the movement was not as noticeable.

>

> 3. Ground flax seeds - bought the seeds in a health food store,

and

> then grounded them up in a miniature coffee grinder. I would

> sprinkle this in my hot cereal. This is good for fiber. It keeps

> your bowels moving. If you do not remember anything else,

remember

> this, when you start killing " creatures " in your body you need to

> make sure that it is getting out as quickly as possible. The die-

off

> can be pretty bad for some people.

>

> 4. Water - the water must be clean. I guess this goes without

> saying, but I am one who does not " like " water, and therefore,

drank

> everything but water.

>

> I was kind of underweight as well. When I did these things, in

> conjunction with my naturapath giving me probiotics, my " fat "

stomach

> started flattening. I could not believe it. I was also able to

eat

> more food than I've eaten in my life. My appetite increased, but

not

> to the point where I was pigging out.

>

> I also read a correlation between candida and biotin. Something

to

> the effect that the biotin may be low in those who have candida.

> Please don't quote me on that though. It's been awhile. Anyway,

if

> there is something to this and you decide to take a biotin

> supplement, you must also take the B-complex. I've heard that

taking

> any of the B's by itself, can " unbalance " the rest of the B's.

>

> So this is additional information that you can research on the

> internet. Remember research, research, research. Start slowly to

> see how your body responds to the different things.

>

> One important last point, whenever you start doing these things

> please make sure that you have access to the restroom. If you

work,

> be mindful of that. I started getting real aggressive taking

these

> products over a lonnnnnnnnng weekend. Although not recommended, I

> would slack off during the week, and then get real aggressive

again

> on Friday evening.

>

> Take care,

> Niz

>

>

>

> <<<Do you know if intestinal parasites are linked to candida, or

> would this be something wholly separate?>>>

[Guest guest]

Okay, thank you prairiefish! I'm going to check them out... )

> The program and diet information at www.wholeapproach.com are

really

> helpful.

> I'm using their products and i'm having good results.

> I also like Pau D'arco tea. The Body Ecology website and book are

> also good.

[Guest guest]

Sam, thank you...I have copied your post, along with TJ's and

several others, and have created a file on my computer. You guys are

such a wealth of information, I can't believe how helpful all of you

have been!

Just wish I'd found this site some time ago...!

> Like someone said in a previous post you are a classic case for

> candida overgrowth. I've been battling this for 15 years and spent

> most of that time not knowing what to do and couldn't find anybody

> who did. I did a lot of experimenting and tried anything that

> suggested it might help. I have within the last year been able to

> make dramatic improvement and I now see a day in the near future

> where I will completely rid of this monster. On a scale of 1 to 10

I

> am now coming off 8 and heading into 9 and 10 before years end, 10

> being a complete cure. To overcome this you've got to concentrate

on

> the central cause and not get lost in all the side issues. We have

> brought this on ourselves by diet, lifestyle and pharmaceutical

> drugs. The balance between good and bad micro-organisms in the gut

> has been upset and there will be no cure until this balance is

> regained. The first thing I would suggest is to cleanse and heal

the

> bowel, most of us have leaky gut and this lets toxins enter the

blood

> stream and overwhelm the immune system. I got more results in 5

> months from an herbal formula for the lower bowel than all the

> previous years trial and error combined. This herbal combination

will

> cleanse, kill candida, heal the gut, increase transit time,

provide

> Iron, and retrain the bowel. This is not just a laxative, it is

food

> for the bowels. I get the formula called FenLB from

> www.herbsfirst.com, this was created by Dr. and

has

> been in use for over 50 years and ranks in the top 20 of most used

> formulas worldwide. You will need to take this long term to get

the

> desired results, I took it for 5 months and some have to take it

up

> to a year. The next thing to look at is getting the good micro-

> organisms back into their home. This is easier said than done once

> candida gets a hold. You have to keep taking large amount of

> probiotics, switching brands and combining until this is

> accomplished, overdo it on the safe side. I took a lot of

probiotics

> but Primal Defense helped me more than the rest.

> http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/products/primaldefense.html

> I would suggest taking the maximum dose of this for a while and

then

> switching to iFlora, (www.marysgarden.com) and Microflora Restore

> (www.altcancer.com) taken together. With these two products you

are

> cleansing out the candida and the food it lives on, you are

healing

> the gut and replacing the good bacteria, this addresses the core

> issue of why we got sick in the first place.

> I also take whole foods and herbs in a green drink that is very

high

> in Chlorophyll which is antifungal and a great blood builder. The

> whole foods are high in vitamin and minerals including trace

minerals

> in a form the body can use and some of the herbs are for cleansing

> and rebuilding the liver.

> Here is what I use, Alfalfa Powder, Barley Grass Power, Wheatgrass

> Powder, Milk Thistle, Slippery Elm, Horsetail (Shavegrass) herb,

Beet

> Root Powder, Spinach Powder, Oat Straw Powder, Kelp Powder,

Dandelion

> Powder, Irish Moss Powder, Ginger Root Powder, Rose Hips Powder,

Bee

> Pollen Powder and deactivated Brewers yeast. I also add to this

> Cayenne pepper. This is not the best tasting stuff, if you think

> you'll have trouble with that you can get a capsule filler and

> capsules and all the herbs at www.herbalcom.com.

> Don't spend a lot of time worrying about diet just remember, stay

> away from sugar and anything that turns to sugar quickly.

> I would also suggest drinking nothing but distilled water.

> Here are some other things I found helpful, Aerobic Oxygen,

> Elderberry Juice, Apple Cider Vinegar (organic).

>

> Sam

[Guest guest]

I ordered it today...can't wait to receive it! And I've saved

several of the posts here as a 'Candida' file on my

harddrive...there's so much to learn, and all of you have given such

valuable advice.

Thank you so much..!

Di

> Glad if any of it can be of help. But do get and

> study the book! My own copy has more underlining,

> highliting, and marginal notes in it than my old grad

> school materials!

>

> TJ

>

[Guest guest]

What part of NE Florida? I am in SE Georgia!

Domino effect auto accidents are never fun and the mechanism of injury always

much worse for the people in the middle of it.

What does your doctor say about all of this? Any plans on what may be in the

future?

Symptoms always seem to vary as does the pain levels.

Glad you joined us!!

Annette <aussie6pk@...> wrote:

My name is Annette and I live in NE FL. My recent history consists of being

rear-ended and then smashed into the car in front of me in an auto accident in

Sept. I had a pretty severe whiplash (the back of my

seat actually broke)but no fractures.

Vivian Harkness

http://www.geocities.com/southeastsearchandrescue/index.html

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[Guest guest]

>

> I just joined the group, so thought I'd intro and also ask a few

> questions

>

> My name is Annette and I live in NE FL. My recent history consists

of

> being rear-ended and then smashed into the car in front of me in an

> auto accident in Sept. I had a pretty severe whiplash (the back of

my

> seat actually broke)but no fractures.

>

> Since then I have been to PT, had x-rays, MRI, EMG, nerve study.

EMG

> was fairly normal except for median nerve entrapment in my left

arm.

> MRI showed osteophytes, disc disease, and bulging discs at every

> level from C4-T1. I am currently taking muscle relaxers, Loritabs

and

> occasionally Valium. They gave me the Valium when I was having

> shooting pains up my neck.

>

> Needless to say I am having pain, and now my left hand fingertips

are

> tingly all of the time, but not actually painful. I also have pain

in

> my right elbow that radiates through the shoulder.

>

> The latest thing is a little disconcerting and I'm not sure if

these

> symptoma are all part of the same thing or something entirely

> separate. I have some bobbling of my head when I try to hold it up

at

> times. I alsoseem to get very sore muscles (not just in my neck)

from

> the least bit of strenuous activity. Hasanyone ever experienced

these

> symptoms?

> Thanks for listening!

> Annette

>Welcome Annette,

when did you accident occur, you have a long road ahead of you, I

have been down it already, if you need a shoulder to lean on, I can

help. From FlA, and have failed back syndrome and been thru it all.

Good Luck..............