Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the real world of E.M.S. I don't think that we as E.M.S.

providers will ever rise above the status of FF's as heroes. We don't

have enough clout or unity. Yes we are heroes, but until we stand

together, we will only be seen as just " doing what we get paid(or vol.)

to do. "

Larry

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:31:13 -0500 " Randy Kennedy "

writes:

> I have seen advertisements for several remembrance services today say

> they

> will be honoring law enforcement and firefighters. That's great, but

> I

> believe EMS workers at ground zero that day were heroes too.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Quizno's subs are offering a free lunch today to any

police, fire and EMS workers. I thanked the manger

deeply for remembering us also. She seemed shocked

that EMS wasn't being routinely included, and proceded

to thank all of us for what we do. Needless to say,

it was a touching conversation with a stranger.

Our local annual festival (Grapefest) is also honoring

all Fire, Police, EMS, and airline personnel tthis

weekend.

Just to let you know that not everyone has forgotten

or doesn't think about EMS.

Connie

--- Randy Kennedy wrote:

> I have seen advertisements for several remembrance

> services today say they

> will be honoring law enforcement and firefighters.

> That's great, but I

> believe EMS workers at ground zero that day were

> heroes too.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Firefighters: Unified Voice

Police: Unified Voice

EMS: Shouting at each other, definitely not unified, and with no voice

Unified Voice: Priceless

Mike

9/11... EMS workers heroes too

I have seen advertisements for several remembrance services today say

they will be honoring law enforcement and firefighters. That's great,

but I believe EMS workers at ground zero that day were heroes too.

[Guest guest]

I AGREE WITH YOU, FIRE AND POLICE HAVE AMAZING PR REPS. WE ARE ALL TO BUSY

" BITCHING " ABOUT WHETHER PRIVATE IS BETTER THAN PUBLIC.

WE ARE GREATLY NEEDED AND YET NO ONE SEES HOW IMPORTANT OUR ROLE IS IN EMERGENCY

SERVICE. I VOICE MY OPINION DAILY AND MAYBE IF A FEW MORE OF US REMINDED PEOPLE

OF OUR KNOWLEDGE AND THAT WE WERE THERE TOO AND WHO DO THEY THINK THEY WERE

GOING TO BRING THE INJURED TO? A POLICEMAN? NO! I COULD GET ON A LONG SESSION

ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE OURSELVES BUT, I WON'T. WHEN YOU ARE READY TO

UNITE... LET ME KNOW. I AM ALREADY A FIREMAN, I WATER MY YARD WITH A HOSE EVERY

WEEK.

KELLY BRYAN

UNDER-RATED AMBULANCE DRIVER

9/11... EMS workers heroes too

I have seen advertisements for several remembrance services today say

they will be honoring law enforcement and firefighters. That's great,

but I believe EMS workers at ground zero that day were heroes too.

[Guest guest]

So this is the way to fight that? All caps? PR reps? Water hose?

Please, for our sake, keep silent if this is all you have to say.

Mike

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

I AGREE WITH YOU, FIRE AND POLICE HAVE AMAZING PR REPS. WE ARE ALL TO

BUSY " BITCHING " ABOUT WHETHER PRIVATE IS BETTER THAN PUBLIC. WE ARE

GREATLY NEEDED AND YET NO ONE SEES HOW IMPORTANT OUR ROLE IS IN

EMERGENCY SERVICE. I VOICE MY OPINION DAILY AND MAYBE IF A FEW MORE OF

US REMINDED PEOPLE OF OUR KNOWLEDGE AND THAT WE WERE THERE TOO AND WHO

DO THEY THINK THEY WERE GOING TO BRING THE INJURED TO? A POLICEMAN?

NO! I COULD GET ON A LONG SESSION ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE

OURSELVES BUT, I WON'T. WHEN YOU ARE READY TO UNITE... LET ME KNOW. I

AM ALREADY A FIREMAN, I WATER MY YARD WITH A HOSE EVERY WEEK.

KELLY BRYAN

UNDER-RATED AMBULANCE DRIVER

[Guest guest]

All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not share the same

Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire service, I

was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw brothers from

Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New Jersey, and

other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY brothers asked

me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know about my

department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and we all had

the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when addressing

one and other.

I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina, and one from

Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and kept going.

This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New York.

The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood is one that

is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally realize

that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in our cities

and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the brotherhood, (and that

does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get together we

are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to cross, and we

fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning them on

our chests.

There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you help others

with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is someone there to

pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if you fall

while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

Ed Brando

ETMC/EMS

I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the Carthage Fire

Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys cook a

fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

[Guest guest]

I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

self-indulgent and often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly gesture

and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the International

Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's desire

to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It would

break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend the

hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested in.

Bob Kellow

emsbrando@... wrote:

> All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not share

> the same

> Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

>

> I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

>

> Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire

> service, I

> was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw brothers

> from

> Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New

> Jersey, and

> other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY brothers

> asked

> me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know

> about my

> department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and we

> all had

> the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

> addressing

> one and other.

>

> I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina, and

> one from

> Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and kept

> going.

>

> This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New York.

>

> The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood is

> one that

> is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally

> realize

> that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in our

> cities

> and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

>

> The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the brotherhood,

> (and that

> does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get

> together we

> are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to cross,

> and we

> fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning

> them on

> our chests.

>

> There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you help

> others

> with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is someone

> there to

> pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

>

> If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if you

> fall

> while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

>

> If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

>

> Ed Brando

> ETMC/EMS

>

> I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the

> Carthage Fire

> Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys

> cook a

> fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:40:54 -0500 Bob Kellow

writes:

> I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

> nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

> self-indulgent and often argumentative.

Like non-fire EMS isn't ?

> Perhaps as a friendly gesture

> and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the

> International

> Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

They have done so in the past, but it appears they found the EMS

situation to be more trouble than it is worth, so they no longer pursue

non-fire EMS organizations to organize.

>

> Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's

> desire

> to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It

> would

> break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend

> the

> hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

> personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

> pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested

> in.

My swamp land near Monahans looks an awful lot like that ranch on Seti

Alpha 5. You wouldn't be " Kahn-ing " me, would you?

Larry , RN NREMTP

Nurse, Teacher, Medic

[Guest guest]

Al,

I believe that your missed the key word " non-union " in my post.

Al wrote:

> Bob,

> Just responding to your message:

>

> I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

> nature

> of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational, self-indulgent

> and

> often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly gesture

> and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the International

> Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> structure

> to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

>

> Go to this web site http://www.iaff.org/build/org.html

>

> Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's

> desire to

> extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It would

> break

> down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend the hand

> of

> brotherly love and affection to all emergency response personnel.

>

> We have extended the hand of brotherly love and affection to all

> emergency

> personnel. That includes Emergency Medical Workers. If you need info

> on

> organizing I would be glad to connect you to our IAFF Local 432

> President

>

> I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested in.

>

> I can't find Seti Alpha 5 on the Texas map so I will have to pass on

> your

> offer. ( Just kiddin)

>

> FF/LP

> Vernon College

> FIRE/EMS Training Program

> 4105 Maplewood

> Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

> (940)696-8752 ext. 3233

>

> agarcia@...

> Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

>

>

> > I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

>

> > nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

> > self-indulgent and often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly

> gesture

> > and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the

> International

> > Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> > structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

> >

> > Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's

> desire

> > to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It

> would

> > break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend

> the

> > hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

> > personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

>

> > pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested

> in.

> >

> > Bob Kellow

> >

> > emsbrando@... wrote:

> >

> > > All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not

> share

> > > the same

> > > Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

> > >

> > > I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

> > >

> > > Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire

> > > service, I

> > > was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw

> brothers

> > > from

> > > Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New

> > > Jersey, and

> > > other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY

> brothers

> > > asked

> > > me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know

> > > about my

> > > department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and

> we

> > > all had

> > > the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

> > > addressing

> > > one and other.

> > >

> > > I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina,

> and

> > > one from

> > > Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and

> kept

> > > going.

> > >

> > > This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New

> York.

> > >

> > > The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood

> is

> > > one that

> > > is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally

> > > realize

> > > that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in

> our

> > > cities

> > > and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

> > >

> > > The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the

> brotherhood,

> > > (and that

> > > does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get

> > > together we

> > > are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to

> cross,

> > > and we

> > > fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning

>

> > > them on

> > > our chests.

> > >

> > > There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you

> help

> > > others

> > > with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is

> someone

> > > there to

> > > pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

> > >

> > > If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if

> you

> > > fall

> > > while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

> > >

> > > If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

> > >

> > > Ed Brando

> > > ETMC/EMS

> > >

> > > I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the

> > > Carthage Fire

> > > Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys

>

> > > cook a

> > > fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Al,

I believe that your missed the key word " non-union " in my post.

Al wrote:

> Bob,

> Just responding to your message:

>

> I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

> nature

> of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational, self-indulgent

> and

> often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly gesture

> and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the International

> Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> structure

> to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

>

> Go to this web site http://www.iaff.org/build/org.html

>

> Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's

> desire to

> extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It would

> break

> down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend the hand

> of

> brotherly love and affection to all emergency response personnel.

>

> We have extended the hand of brotherly love and affection to all

> emergency

> personnel. That includes Emergency Medical Workers. If you need info

> on

> organizing I would be glad to connect you to our IAFF Local 432

> President

>

> I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested in.

>

> I can't find Seti Alpha 5 on the Texas map so I will have to pass on

> your

> offer. ( Just kiddin)

>

> FF/LP

> Vernon College

> FIRE/EMS Training Program

> 4105 Maplewood

> Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

> (940)696-8752 ext. 3233

>

> agarcia@...

> Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

>

>

> > I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

>

> > nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

> > self-indulgent and often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly

> gesture

> > and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the

> International

> > Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> > structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

> >

> > Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's

> desire

> > to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It

> would

> > break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend

> the

> > hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

> > personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

>

> > pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested

> in.

> >

> > Bob Kellow

> >

> > emsbrando@... wrote:

> >

> > > All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not

> share

> > > the same

> > > Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

> > >

> > > I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

> > >

> > > Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire

> > > service, I

> > > was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw

> brothers

> > > from

> > > Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New

> > > Jersey, and

> > > other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY

> brothers

> > > asked

> > > me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know

> > > about my

> > > department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and

> we

> > > all had

> > > the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

> > > addressing

> > > one and other.

> > >

> > > I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina,

> and

> > > one from

> > > Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and

> kept

> > > going.

> > >

> > > This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New

> York.

> > >

> > > The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood

> is

> > > one that

> > > is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally

> > > realize

> > > that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in

> our

> > > cities

> > > and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

> > >

> > > The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the

> brotherhood,

> > > (and that

> > > does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get

> > > together we

> > > are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to

> cross,

> > > and we

> > > fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning

>

> > > them on

> > > our chests.

> > >

> > > There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you

> help

> > > others

> > > with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is

> someone

> > > there to

> > > pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

> > >

> > > If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if

> you

> > > fall

> > > while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

> > >

> > > If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

> > >

> > > Ed Brando

> > > ETMC/EMS

> > >

> > > I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the

> > > Carthage Fire

> > > Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys

>

> > > cook a

> > > fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Al,

I believe that you missed the key word " non-union " in my post.

Al wrote:

> Bob,

> Just responding to your message:

>

> I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

> nature

> of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational, self-indulgent

> and

> often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly gesture

> and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the International

> Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> structure

> to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

>

> Go to this web site http://www.iaff.org/build/org.html

>

> Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's

> desire to

> extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It would

> break

> down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend the hand

> of

> brotherly love and affection to all emergency response personnel.

>

> We have extended the hand of brotherly love and affection to all

> emergency

> personnel. That includes Emergency Medical Workers. If you need info

> on

> organizing I would be glad to connect you to our IAFF Local 432

> President

>

> I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested in.

>

> I can't find Seti Alpha 5 on the Texas map so I will have to pass on

> your

> offer. ( Just kiddin)

>

> FF/LP

> Vernon College

> FIRE/EMS Training Program

> 4105 Maplewood

> Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

> (940)696-8752 ext. 3233

>

> agarcia@...

> Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

>

>

> > I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

>

> > nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

> > self-indulgent and often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly

> gesture

> > and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the

> International

> > Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> > structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

> >

> > Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's

> desire

> > to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It

> would

> > break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend

> the

> > hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

> > personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

>

> > pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested

> in.

> >

> > Bob Kellow

> >

> > emsbrando@... wrote:

> >

> > > All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not

> share

> > > the same

> > > Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

> > >

> > > I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

> > >

> > > Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire

> > > service, I

> > > was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw

> brothers

> > > from

> > > Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New

> > > Jersey, and

> > > other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY

> brothers

> > > asked

> > > me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know

> > > about my

> > > department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and

> we

> > > all had

> > > the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

> > > addressing

> > > one and other.

> > >

> > > I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina,

> and

> > > one from

> > > Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and

> kept

> > > going.

> > >

> > > This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New

> York.

> > >

> > > The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood

> is

> > > one that

> > > is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally

> > > realize

> > > that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in

> our

> > > cities

> > > and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

> > >

> > > The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the

> brotherhood,

> > > (and that

> > > does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get

> > > together we

> > > are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to

> cross,

> > > and we

> > > fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning

>

> > > them on

> > > our chests.

> > >

> > > There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you

> help

> > > others

> > > with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is

> someone

> > > there to

> > > pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

> > >

> > > If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if

> you

> > > fall

> > > while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

> > >

> > > If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

> > >

> > > Ed Brando

> > > ETMC/EMS

> > >

> > > I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the

> > > Carthage Fire

> > > Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys

>

> > > cook a

> > > fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Ed,

I haven't been in the business as long as you ( 26 years Fire Service

and 25 years EMS Service). You do bring up a good point, we do need to

unite. If anything yesterday rememberance told us to do that. " God Bless

America "

FF/LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

(940)696-8752 ext. 3233

agarcia@...

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

> All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not share the

same

> Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

>

> I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

>

> Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire service,

I

> was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw brothers from

> Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New Jersey,

and

> other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY brothers

asked

> me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know about my

> department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and we all

had

> the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

addressing

> one and other.

>

> I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina, and one

from

> Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and kept

going.

>

> This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New York.

>

> The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood is one

that

> is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally realize

> that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in our

cities

> and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

>

> The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the brotherhood, (and

that

> does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get together we

> are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to cross, and

we

> fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning them on

> our chests.

>

> There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you help others

> with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is someone there

to

> pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

>

> If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if you fall

> while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

>

> If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

>

> Ed Brando

> ETMC/EMS

>

> I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the Carthage

Fire

> Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys cook a

> fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

Just responding to your message:

I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal nature

of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational, self-indulgent and

often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly gesture

and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the International

Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership structure

to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

Go to this web site http://www.iaff.org/build/org.html

Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's desire to

extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It would break

down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend the hand of

brotherly love and affection to all emergency response personnel.

We have extended the hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency

personnel. That includes Emergency Medical Workers. If you need info on

organizing I would be glad to connect you to our IAFF Local 432 President

I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested in.

I can't find Seti Alpha 5 on the Texas map so I will have to pass on your

offer. ( Just kiddin)

FF/LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

(940)696-8752 ext. 3233

agarcia@...

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

> I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

> nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

> self-indulgent and often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly gesture

> and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the International

> Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

>

> Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's desire

> to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It would

> break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend the

> hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

> personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

> pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested in.

>

> Bob Kellow

>

> emsbrando@... wrote:

>

> > All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not share

> > the same

> > Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

> >

> > I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

> >

> > Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire

> > service, I

> > was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw brothers

> > from

> > Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New

> > Jersey, and

> > other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY brothers

> > asked

> > me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know

> > about my

> > department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and we

> > all had

> > the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

> > addressing

> > one and other.

> >

> > I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina, and

> > one from

> > Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and kept

> > going.

> >

> > This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New York.

> >

> > The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood is

> > one that

> > is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally

> > realize

> > that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in our

> > cities

> > and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

> >

> > The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the brotherhood,

> > (and that

> > does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get

> > together we

> > are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to cross,

> > and we

> > fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning

> > them on

> > our chests.

> >

> > There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you help

> > others

> > with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is someone

> > there to

> > pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

> >

> > If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if you

> > fall

> > while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

> >

> > If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

> >

> > Ed Brando

> > ETMC/EMS

> >

> > I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the

> > Carthage Fire

> > Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys

> > cook a

> > fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Bob,

I didn't miss the non-union portion, I was just answering your statement of

non-fire based personnel (EMS).

FF/LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

(940)696-8752 ext. 3233

agarcia@...

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

>

>

> > I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

>

> > nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

> > self-indulgent and often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly

> gesture

> > and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the

> International

> > Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> > structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

> >

> > Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's

> desire

> > to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It

> would

> > break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend

> the

> > hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

> > personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

>

> > pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested

> in.

> >

> > Bob Kellow

> >

> > emsbrando@... wrote:

> >

> > > All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not

> share

> > > the same

> > > Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

> > >

> > > I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

> > >

> > > Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire

> > > service, I

> > > was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw

> brothers

> > > from

> > > Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New

> > > Jersey, and

> > > other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY

> brothers

> > > asked

> > > me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know

> > > about my

> > > department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and

> we

> > > all had

> > > the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

> > > addressing

> > > one and other.

> > >

> > > I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina,

> and

> > > one from

> > > Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and

> kept

> > > going.

> > >

> > > This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New

> York.

> > >

> > > The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood

> is

> > > one that

> > > is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally

> > > realize

> > > that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in

> our

> > > cities

> > > and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

> > >

> > > The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the

> brotherhood,

> > > (and that

> > > does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get

> > > together we

> > > are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to

> cross,

> > > and we

> > > fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning

>

> > > them on

> > > our chests.

> > >

> > > There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you

> help

> > > others

> > > with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is

> someone

> > > there to

> > > pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

> > >

> > > If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if

> you

> > > fall

> > > while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

> > >

> > > If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

> > >

> > > Ed Brando

> > > ETMC/EMS

> > >

> > > I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the

> > > Carthage Fire

> > > Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys

>

> > > cook a

> > > fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Bob,

I didn't miss the non-union portion, I was just answering your statement of

non-fire based personnel (EMS).

FF/LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

(940)696-8752 ext. 3233

agarcia@...

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

>

>

> > I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

>

> > nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

> > self-indulgent and often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly

> gesture

> > and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the

> International

> > Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> > structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

> >

> > Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's

> desire

> > to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It

> would

> > break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend

> the

> > hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

> > personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

>

> > pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested

> in.

> >

> > Bob Kellow

> >

> > emsbrando@... wrote:

> >

> > > All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not

> share

> > > the same

> > > Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

> > >

> > > I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

> > >

> > > Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire

> > > service, I

> > > was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw

> brothers

> > > from

> > > Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New

> > > Jersey, and

> > > other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY

> brothers

> > > asked

> > > me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know

> > > about my

> > > department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and

> we

> > > all had

> > > the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

> > > addressing

> > > one and other.

> > >

> > > I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina,

> and

> > > one from

> > > Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and

> kept

> > > going.

> > >

> > > This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New

> York.

> > >

> > > The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood

> is

> > > one that

> > > is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally

> > > realize

> > > that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in

> our

> > > cities

> > > and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

> > >

> > > The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the

> brotherhood,

> > > (and that

> > > does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get

> > > together we

> > > are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to

> cross,

> > > and we

> > > fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning

>

> > > them on

> > > our chests.

> > >

> > > There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you

> help

> > > others

> > > with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is

> someone

> > > there to

> > > pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

> > >

> > > If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if

> you

> > > fall

> > > while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

> > >

> > > If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

> > >

> > > Ed Brando

> > > ETMC/EMS

> > >

> > > I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the

> > > Carthage Fire

> > > Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys

>

> > > cook a

> > > fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Okay, then let's look at what you said and see if it's in ANY way

constructive:

Does all capital letters look professional? No

Does all capital letters advance your message? No

Is the use of all capital letters generally frowned upon and seen as

rude on the internet? Yes

Is attributing the success of fire and police organizations simply and

broadly to PR reps demeaning to those organizations, their supporters

and the work they've put into it? Yes

Has EMS in Texas put in the same work? No

With regards to your " who will they bring them to, the police? " comment,

have there been studies in major metropolitan areas that show trauma

survival rates actually INCREASED (capital for emphasis) when patients

were transported by police instead of waiting for EMS? Yes.

What is the public perception about who provides EMS? Fire departments

- every major television show from Emergency! to Third Watch to ER shows

the public that the fire department provides EMS, and in most major

cities in Texas (and the US), the fire department does in fact provide

EMS, so perception is that you " bring them to the firemen. "

" I AM ALREADY A FIREMAN, I WATER MY YARD WITH A HOSE EVERY WEEK. " -

Really? You're a fireman because you can use a garden hose? I thought

firemen (and women, to be fair) had specialized training in fire

science, basic chemistry, basic physics (convection, radiation,

insulation, expansion of liquids to gases, etc.), and specialized

training with regards to equipment. If I'd have know before know that

operating a garden hose qualified me to operate the pump panel on a

two-stage waterous pump with foam induction, hell, I'd have been

watering my lawn in MUCH less time.

So did your post actually do anything constructive? Or, did it serve to

further widen the perception gap between non-fire EMS and firefighters

(regardless of their provision of EMS or not)? You're welcome to an

opinion. I just wish you had the sense to know when to keep it to

yourself so you wouldn't hurt the work the rest of us were doing to make

things better instead of standing around pissing and moaning and

bitching about how bad things are. If you really want to help, and if

you want an appropriate forum to explore your opinions, I'd highly

recommend you join EMSAT. Hell, run for the board! Serve on a

committee! Attend the general meeting and bring up ANYTHING you want to

discuss (agenda permitting, of course - I don't make the agenda). Just

join - do something constructive.

Mike

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

YOU KNOW YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE SIT ON THIS SITE AND " FIGHT " WITH EACH

OTHER FOR DAYS (AND I DO BELIEVE YOU HAD A FEW COMMENTS YOURSELF) AND

YOU WANT TO TELL ME TO KEEP MY OPINION TO MYSELF? SWEEP YOUR FRONT

PORCH. I THOUGHT THAT THIS SITE WAS FOR US TO VOICE OUR OPINIONS, GET

QUESTIONS ANSWERED BASICALLY USE IT THE WAY WE NEED. " FREEDOM " I WILL

HAVE AN OPINION WHETHER YOU APPROVE OR NOT.

KELLY BRYAN I LIKE TO USE CAPS!

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

I AGREE WITH YOU, FIRE AND POLICE HAVE AMAZING PR REPS. WE ARE ALL TO

BUSY " BITCHING " ABOUT WHETHER PRIVATE IS BETTER THAN PUBLIC. WE ARE

GREATLY NEEDED AND YET NO ONE SEES HOW IMPORTANT OUR ROLE IS IN

EMERGENCY SERVICE. I VOICE MY OPINION DAILY AND MAYBE IF A FEW MORE

OF

US REMINDED PEOPLE OF OUR KNOWLEDGE AND THAT WE WERE THERE TOO AND WHO

DO THEY THINK THEY WERE GOING TO BRING THE INJURED TO? A POLICEMAN?

NO! I COULD GET ON A LONG SESSION ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE

OURSELVES BUT, I WON'T. WHEN YOU ARE READY TO UNITE... LET ME KNOW.

I

AM ALREADY A FIREMAN, I WATER MY YARD WITH A HOSE EVERY WEEK.

KELLY BRYAN

UNDER-RATED AMBULANCE DRIVER

[Guest guest]

Al,

Thank you for a polite and reasoned reply, and thank you also for

illustrating my point. I can't tell you how glad I am that you are an EMSAT

member. EMS in Texas will benefit from reasonable people like yourself being

involved in the *only* totally inclusive EMS providers organization in the

state. I wish we had more like you.

EMSAT is totally inclusive. Regardless of employer, every Texas EMT and

Paramedic is welcome in EMSAT. Every member can have a voice and a say in

the direction EMSAT takes. I continue to encourage every EMT and Paramedic

in the state to join and participate in the process. The elections are

coming up in November. Anyone joining now can have a chance to vote for the

new board members. The more members voting, the more representative EMSAT

will become. With member participation, EMSAT can grow to be uniting force

for EMS in Texas.

Hope to see you at the general membership meeting in Austin. Look me up and

I'll buy the first beer.

Regards,

Donn

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

Donn,

I was just making a suggestion on how to organize and yes I am a member

of EMSAT. I feel just like everyone else on this list server. EMS is not

recognized like it should be. That is why we are pushing for EMS to be an

essential service in this great state we call TEXAS. Yes I do enjoy the

benefits from being organized through the IAFF and there is no reason why

EMS can't have the same thing. I am only one voice, if there were a unified

voice in numbers we would be heard. Whether it is a union or non-union we

need to organize.

FF/LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

(940)696-8752 ext. 3233

agarcia@...

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

> I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

> nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

> self-indulgent and often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly gesture

> and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the International

> Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

>

> Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's desire

> to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It would

> break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend the

> hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

> personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

> pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested in.

>

> Bob Kellow

>

> emsbrando@... wrote:

>

> > All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not share

> > the same

> > Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

> >

> > I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

> >

> > Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire

> > service, I

> > was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw brothers

> > from

> > Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New

> > Jersey, and

> > other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY brothers

> > asked

> > me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know

> > about my

> > department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and we

> > all had

> > the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

> > addressing

> > one and other.

> >

> > I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina, and

> > one from

> > Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and kept

> > going.

> >

> > This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New York.

> >

> > The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood is

> > one that

> > is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally

> > realize

> > that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in our

> > cities

> > and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

> >

> > The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the brotherhood,

> > (and that

> > does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get

> > together we

> > are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to cross,

> > and we

> > fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning

> > them on

> > our chests.

> >

> > There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you help

> > others

> > with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is someone

> > there to

> > pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

> >

> > If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if you

> > fall

> > while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

> >

> > If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

> >

> > Ed Brando

> > ETMC/EMS

> >

> > I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the

> > Carthage Fire

> > Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys

> > cook a

> > fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Say Don,

I agree that folks should join EMSAT and be part of a bigger voice. However,

attending meetings should not be a point of contention. Membership and dues

payment are just as important.We will always have folks like yourself that will

step forward, attend the meetings and make sure that that the membership has

representation. It would be nice if folks attended however it should not be

considered in regards to a members voice or standing in EMSAT. I feel confident

that you meant no ill will, but it could be construed as such.

Henry

" D.E. " wrote:

> Junior,

>

> Good point. Now tell me, have you joined EMSAT yet? If so, have you attended

> any of the meetings? If not, why?

>

> Donn

>

> Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

>

> simply put... if we cannot take the time to unify... who are we to blame?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Baysarems,

I do not believe he had a real problem with what you said. In the computer

world. If you use all caps when writing on the internet it is considered to be

shouting. As a side note, it is a little harder to read thus distracts from what

you are saying. Personally I don't care how you type it. However, some feel the

need to comment on it. We are interested in the comments of all EMS folks even

if

we do not agree. I bet if you quit typing in Upper Case (CAPS) things would

smooth out for all. You may be new to the internet and may not have know about

this. Thus my short note here.

Henry Barber

baystarems wrote:

> YOU KNOW YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE SIT ON THIS SITE AND " FIGHT " WITH EACH OTHER FOR

DAYS (AND I DO BELIEVE YOU HAD A FEW COMMENTS YOURSELF) AND YOU WANT TO TELL ME

TO KEEP MY OPINION TO MYSELF? SWEEP YOUR FRONT PORCH. I THOUGHT THAT THIS SITE

WAS FOR US TO VOICE OUR OPINIONS, GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED BASICALLY USE IT THE

WAY WE NEED. " FREEDOM " I WILL HAVE AN OPINION WHETHER YOU APPROVE OR NOT.

>

> KELLY BRYAN I LIKE TO USE CAPS!

> Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

>

> I AGREE WITH YOU, FIRE AND POLICE HAVE AMAZING PR REPS. WE ARE ALL TO

> BUSY " BITCHING " ABOUT WHETHER PRIVATE IS BETTER THAN PUBLIC. WE ARE

> GREATLY NEEDED AND YET NO ONE SEES HOW IMPORTANT OUR ROLE IS IN

> EMERGENCY SERVICE. I VOICE MY OPINION DAILY AND MAYBE IF A FEW MORE OF

> US REMINDED PEOPLE OF OUR KNOWLEDGE AND THAT WE WERE THERE TOO AND WHO

> DO THEY THINK THEY WERE GOING TO BRING THE INJURED TO? A POLICEMAN?

> NO! I COULD GET ON A LONG SESSION ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE

> OURSELVES BUT, I WON'T. WHEN YOU ARE READY TO UNITE... LET ME KNOW. I

> AM ALREADY A FIREMAN, I WATER MY YARD WITH A HOSE EVERY WEEK.

>

> KELLY BRYAN

> UNDER-RATED AMBULANCE DRIVER

>

>

[Guest guest]

Henry,

Sorry if it sounded that way, it certainly wasn't intended. My main point

was membership. I asked the question about meeting attendance not to be

critical, but in reference to Junior's question about " if we cannot take the

time to unify " . I agree with his statement and want ever Texas Paramedic and

EMT to join EMSAT and participate in the process.

Attending meeting is participation, but so is voting. Every member in good

standing can and should investigate the candidates and vote for the ones

that will do the best job of representing Texas EMS. In my mind, this is an

obligation. However, not every member has the time or the means to attend

all of the meetings. I realize this and am not trying to be critical, and I

will still buy you a beer if you show up in November.

Donn ;>)

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

>

> simply put... if we cannot take the time to unify... who are we to blame?

>

>

[Guest guest]

When are the elections and who is on the ticket?

Henry

" D.E. " wrote:

> Henry,

>

> Sorry if it sounded that way, it certainly wasn't intended. My main point

> was membership. I asked the question about meeting attendance not to be

> critical, but in reference to Junior's question about " if we cannot take the

> time to unify " . I agree with his statement and want ever Texas Paramedic and

> EMT to join EMSAT and participate in the process.

>

> Attending meeting is participation, but so is voting. Every member in good

> standing can and should investigate the candidates and vote for the ones

> that will do the best job of representing Texas EMS. In my mind, this is an

> obligation. However, not every member has the time or the means to attend

> all of the meetings. I realize this and am not trying to be critical, and I

> will still buy you a beer if you show up in November.

>

> Donn ;>)

>

> Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

> >

> > simply put... if we cannot take the time to unify... who are we to blame?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The elections are in November. The candidates are:

Dave - current VP up for reelection

Wilks-Bingham - up for reelection

Sylvin Mersiovsky - current treasurer up for reelection

Phil Reynolds - Austin FD and Jollyville FD

Deborah Donahue - ETMC-EMS

Barry McClung - Bastrop

Jane Hill - Shackleford County EMS

Mike - Luling FD

Hopefully, more information on each of these individuals will be available

on the EMSAT web site soon.

http://www.emsatoftx.org.

Regards,

Donn

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

> >

> > simply put... if we cannot take the time to unify... who are we to

blame?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Correction. I'm with Luling/Caldwell County EMS. I'm employed by Seton

Hospital (www.seton.net), who manages L/CC EMS.

Mike

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

> >

> > simply put... if we cannot take the time to unify... who are we to

blame?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Pretta Damn gooodddddd. How are you?

Henry

Al wrote:

> Hi Henry hows the fishing?

>

> FF/LP

> Vernon College

> FIRE/EMS Training Program

> 4105 Maplewood

> Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

> (940)696-8752 ext. 3233

>

> agarcia@...

> Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

> > >

> > > simply put... if we cannot take the time to unify... who are we to

blame?

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Donn,

I was just making a suggestion on how to organize and yes I am a member of

EMSAT. I feel just like everyone else on this list server. EMS is not recognized

like it should be. That is why we are pushing for EMS to be an essential service

in this great state we call TEXAS. Yes I do enjoy the benefits from being

organized through the IAFF and there is no reason why EMS can't have the same

thing. I am only one voice, if there were a unified voice in numbers we would be

heard. Whether it is a union or non-union we need to organize.

FF/LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

(940)696-8752 ext. 3233

agarcia@...

Re: 9/11... EMS workers heroes too

> I believe that most non-fire based personnel feel that the fraternal

> nature of the fire service is exclusionary, confrontational,

> self-indulgent and often argumentative. Perhaps as a friendly gesture

> and demonstration of good faith and brotherly love, the International

> Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) should expand its' membership

> structure to include non-union, non-fire based EMS personnel.

>

> Such a gesture would provide ample evidence of the fire service's desire

> to extend an " olive branch " to their non-fire based brothers. It would

> break down ALL of the barriers and feelings of ill will, and extend the

> hand of brotherly love and affection to all emergency response

> personnel. And, if you believe that such a change would ever come to

> pass, I have a ranch on Seti Alpha 5 that you might be interested in.

>

> Bob Kellow

>

> emsbrando@... wrote:

>

> > All this is very true. EMS workers are not united and do not share

> > the same

> > Brother/Sisterhood as Firefighters.

> >

> > I have been in EMS 33 years, Fire Service as a volunteer for 17.

> >

> > Yesterday, when I saw a fellow brother from FDNY, or another fire

> > service, I

> > was greeted with a friendly smile, and a handshake. I saw brothers

> > from

> > Ohio, Brownsville Texas, Oklahoma, Great Britain, Michigan, New

> > Jersey, and

> > other places from around the country and the world. The FDNY brothers

> > asked

> > me if I was comfortable, if I needed anything, and wanted to know

> > about my

> > department in Carthage. We stood and talked for a little bit and we

> > all had

> > the same name, " Brother " and it was a name we all used often when

> > addressing

> > one and other.

> >

> > I saw a Paramedic from North Carolina, two from South Carolina, and

> > one from

> > Ohio. I tried to talk with them and they smiled, said " hi " and kept

> > going.

> >

> > This was yesterday, Sept. 11, while I was at ground zero in New York.

> >

> > The problem we face in our lacking of a brother and/or sisterhood is

> > one that

> > is not particular to Texas. All of us everywhere need to finally

> > realize

> > that we are all in this together, that we all do the same thing in our

> > cities

> > and towns, face the same dangers, and have the same concerns.

> >

> > The fire service has no boundries when it comes to the brotherhood,

> > (and that

> > does include the female firefighters), but when we in EMS get

> > together we

> > are too busy drawing lines on the ground daring each other to cross,

> > and we

> > fail to check our egos at the door because we are too busy pinning

> > them on

> > our chests.

> >

> > There is only one hill, and if you are in the fire service you help

> > others

> > with the climb and they will help you, if you fall, there is someone

> > there to

> > pick you up, and all of you climb the hill as a group.

> >

> > If you are in EMS, everyone wants to be king of the hill, and if you

> > fall

> > while climbing you better watch it or you'll be stepped on.

> >

> > If I have rambled, I'm sorry. I'm a little tired.

> >

> > Ed Brando

> > ETMC/EMS

> >

> > I was also in New York on Sept. 10, presenting a gift from the

> > Carthage Fire

> > Department to Engine 24, Ladder 5 in Greenwich Village. Them boys

> > cook a

> > fantastic Italian Sausage sandwich.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >