Fish Oils

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Dr. Mercola has been touting a liquid fish oil manufactured by

Carlson's. He also sells the product on his web site. Note he hasn't

figured out how to ship outside the continental US. There is a web site

www.vitaminelady.com that does know how to deal with overseas shipments

and she's cheaper than Dr. Mercola for the same product.

I've been taking 4 tablespoons per day for the past 6 weeks. I was

using Kirkland brand fish oil pills from COSCO of 1000 MG prior to this.

Again Dr. Mercola had initially recommended Kirkland then found it

wasn't working so switched to Carlson's. Go to www.mercola.com and you

can read all the particulars.

Bud

rheumatic Fish Oils

Hi Everyone!

Hopefully some of you out there have some degree of knowledge on this

subject.

I have been taking my fish oils pretty diligently. I take eight 1000 mg

pills per day.

Then..... tonight I read in a health publication that any more than 3000

mg per day puts one at risk for excessive bleeding and possibly stroke.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Lee-Anne

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[Guest guest]

Lee-Anne

In response to your question regarding effects of omega-3 supplementation,

I did a www.google.com search on the search phrase

+ " fish oil " +bleeding +stroke

The bottom line is that consumption of fish and fish oils is very good for

you. It is not only great by fighting joint inflammation, but also by

helping the brain and reducing the likelihood of strokes and heart attacks.

See for example:

http://www.fitstuff.com/articles/omeg3.html

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/57/66063.htm

http://www.twinlab.com/hothealth/january01/01_18_3.htm

http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/fishheart

Some negative effects can be associated with the consumption of too much

fish oil. See:

http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?Article=3822 )

" A fishy aftertaste is the most common side effect from omega-3 fatty acid

supplementation, with the most marked effect reported in people who take

more than 3 g a day.

Other side effects with high dose supplements include a likely rise in

low-density lipoprotein cholesterol — the so-called 'bad' cholesterol —

usually only in people with raised triglycerides, gastrointestinal

disturbances (moderate risk), worsening blood glucose elevation (moderate

risk, usually only in people with impaired glucose tolerance or diabetes)

and clinical bleeding (low risk). " A potential danger is also that fish may

contain mercury and pesticides.

The question of dosage is addressed by the website

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/fish_oil020410.html

" The dose of omega-3 fatty acids needed to provide these benefits is small,

the equivalent of two fatty fish meals a week. In capsule form, a total

dose of 800 milligrams to 1,000 milligrams of omega-3 fatty acids per day

should be sufficient. Capsules in the United States contain either 300

milligrams or 500 milligrams of omega-3 fatty acids per capsule.... As

compared to traditional drug therapy, omega-3 fatty acids provide

remarkable benefits, are entirely safe, and are inexpensive. "

Speaking for myself, I take four 1000 mg salmon oil capsules per day and

try to eat fish at least once or twice a week.

Sincerely, Harald

At 11:08 PM 1/23/03 -0500, Lee-Anne wrote:

>Hi Everyone!

>

>Hopefully some of you out there have some degree of knowledge on this

>subject. I have been taking my fish oils pretty diligently. I take eight

>1000 mg pills per day. Then..... tonight I read in a health publication

>that any more than 3000 mg per day puts one at risk for excessive bleeding

>and possibly stroke. Any comments would be appreciated.

>Lee-Anne

[Guest guest]

Harald, thanks for doing this research and providing the information to the

group.

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

Re: rheumatic Fish Oils

Lee-Anne

In response to your question regarding effects of omega-3 supplementation,

I did a www.google.com search on the search phrase

+ " fish oil " +bleeding +stroke

The bottom line is that consumption of fish and fish oils is very good for

you. It is not only great by fighting joint inflammation, but also by

helping the brain and reducing the likelihood of strokes and heart attacks.

See for example:

http://www.fitstuff.com/articles/omeg3.html

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/57/66063.htm

http://www.twinlab.com/hothealth/january01/01_18_3.htm

http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/fishheart

Some negative effects can be associated with the consumption of too much

fish oil. See:

http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?Article=3822 )

" A fishy aftertaste is the most common side effect from omega-3 fatty acid

supplementation, with the most marked effect reported in people who take

more than 3 g a day.

Other side effects with high dose supplements include a likely rise in

low-density lipoprotein cholesterol - the so-called 'bad' cholesterol -

usually only in people with raised triglycerides, gastrointestinal

disturbances (moderate risk), worsening blood glucose elevation (moderate

risk, usually only in people with impaired glucose tolerance or diabetes)

and clinical bleeding (low risk). " A potential danger is also that fish may

contain mercury and pesticides.

The question of dosage is addressed by the website

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/fish_oil020410.html

" The dose of omega-3 fatty acids needed to provide these benefits is small,

the equivalent of two fatty fish meals a week. In capsule form, a total

dose of 800 milligrams to 1,000 milligrams of omega-3 fatty acids per day

should be sufficient. Capsules in the United States contain either 300

milligrams or 500 milligrams of omega-3 fatty acids per capsule.... As

compared to traditional drug therapy, omega-3 fatty acids provide

remarkable benefits, are entirely safe, and are inexpensive. "

Speaking for myself, I take four 1000 mg salmon oil capsules per day and

try to eat fish at least once or twice a week.

Sincerely, Harald

At 11:08 PM 1/23/03 -0500, Lee-Anne wrote:

>Hi Everyone!

>

>Hopefully some of you out there have some degree of knowledge on this

>subject. I have been taking my fish oils pretty diligently. I take eight

>1000 mg pills per day. Then..... tonight I read in a health publication

>that any more than 3000 mg per day puts one at risk for excessive bleeding

>and possibly stroke. Any comments would be appreciated.

>Lee-Anne

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[Guest guest]

I was just reading today that too much vitamin A can cause liver

abnormalities; it

is stored in the body, I believe, and therefore you have to be careful about

the amount taken. Cod liver oil contains vitamin A. The Nutrition Action

newsletter I subscribe to says too much Vit. A from animal sources

(retinol) can make people more

susceptible to hip fractures as well (the results of a 2002 Harvard Medical

School study of 72 000 women). The upper limit recommended by the sources

at Nutrition Action is now 4000 IU.

.. Beta-carotene (from fruits and vegetables) which is turned to Vit. A by

the body does not have

the same risks according to the article (although smokers have to be careful

re lung cancer) and they say a safe upper limit is

15 000 IU. Some vitamin companies have just started to reduce their amounts

of vitamin A, some to no more than 2500 IU.

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

rheumatic Fish Oils

> Hi All,

> Just wanted to add my 2 cents about the subject. I have been

> taking fish oil capsules for about a month, and I do feel a little

> better. BUT I am a bit skeptical of safety. I have a friend who

> suffers terribly from sinus headaches forever. Years ago I had read

> that cod liver oil capsules help, so I told her and she began taking

> them - for a couple of years, as they helped tremendously. She had

> then gone for a routine blood test and her liver enzymes were

> elevated and when her doctor found that she was taking fish oils, he

> told her to stop taking them. So I think moderation in this area is

> the key, as well as keeping your doctor informed.

> Hope all are well....

> Maureen

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi All,

> Just wanted to add my 2 cents about the subject. I have been

> taking fish oil capsules for about a month, and I do feel a little

> better. BUT I am a bit skeptical of safety. I have a friend who

> suffers terribly from sinus headaches forever. Years ago I had read

> that cod liver oil capsules help, so I told her and she began taking

> them - for a couple of years, as they helped tremendously. She had

> then gone for a routine blood test and her liver enzymes were

> elevated and when her doctor found that she was taking fish oils, he

> told her to stop taking them. So I think moderation in this area is

> the key, as well as keeping your doctor informed.

> Hope all are well....

> Maureen

Do you know how much she was taking? And to what the Dr. contributed

this rise in enzymes? Did her liver enzymes return to normal after

stopping? I wonder what Dr. Mercola recommends in this regard, since

he touts it so highly in the winter months.. He suggests that I would

take 3 teaspoons per day, giving me 7500 IU of vitamin A. Not sure

what form this vitamin A takes, but assuming it is not beta carotene.

So would this be a problem?

Mark

[Guest guest]

Are you taking it in conjunction with anything else?

[Guest guest]

That is extremely unusual.

Try changing the brand.

[ ] fish oils

> when I take fish oils i get this weird feeling of shocks going though

> my brain and body, does anybody else have this, or can someone

> explain why this is happening?

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

a lot of vitamin supplements and the amino acids arginine and lysine, is there

some interaction with fish oils i should watch for

Waterkai@... wrote:Are you taking it in conjunction with anything else?

[Guest guest]

Hi Gang! Geoff here.

I forwarded Dr. Murray's comments as posted on this list to Kirkman Labs and

asked if their fish oils comply with his guidelines. In case you don't know,

Kirkman is an 'apparent' leader in research into Autism and many of their

products cross over into what we use for RA. HYO vetted Kirkman for clean,

molecularly distilled, heavy metal free fish oils several months ago but has yet

to keyboard their products for availability due to lack of funding/labor; if

Kirkman did not meet these criteria they would be removed from the approved

vendor list. Here is the uncensored answer I just received from Kirkman:

Fish oils

> Kirkman's fish oils and Nordic Naturals oils (which we distribute) have

> always met the pharmaceutical criteria. It is absolutely wrong for Dr.

> Murray to recommend one specific product. He must have an alternative

> reason to do so.

Geoff

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repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

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[Guest guest]

Can anyone provide me with information re: what type of fish oil

supplements is best for use with children of 2 yrs? A brand name would

be very helpful.

Thanks,

Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark!

Since this year someone else is cooking Thanksgiving dinner -I have

a bit of time to answer! (well from a very long new member archive

which has information about apraxia and EFAs)

May you all have much to be thankful for, and be able to spend time with your

family and friends!

~

Below is a new member archived message, and an " EFA 101 basics "

archived message to hopefully answer more of your

questions for now

What type of apraxic like speech behaviors are you seeing that makes

you and the SLP suspect your child has apraxia vs. a simple delay in

speech? Is your child talking at all yet? At your child's age -

without speech, it's difficult to diagnose verbal apraxia -they

could " suspect " verbal apraxia and begin treatment just in case,

which wouldn't hurt your child if he ended up just having a simple

delay. Just a few questions before we could provide more accurate

answers:

Does your child have signs of oral apraxia? (for example, can he on

command smile, imitate funny faces, blow bubbles...if you put peanut

butter anywhere around his mouth can he lick it off no matter where

it is?)

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/oralapraxia.html

Does your child have any neurological " soft signs " such as hypotonia

or sensory integration dysfunction?

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/parentfriendlysoftsigns.html

Who else evaluated your child? Was it only the SLP through your

town school or was he also in Early Intervention through the state?

(birth to three) Was he evaluated by both a speech pathologist as

well as an occupational therapist? Was/were they knowledgeable

about apraxia? (If your child wasn't diagnosed by an occupational

therapist as well and professionals suspect apraxia -I highly

recommend you request that too either through both the school as

well as private through insurance for many reasons)

To answer any questions you may have about taking your child to see a

neurodevelopmental MD if he has not yet been to one and apraxia is

suspected... in one word - " Yes!!! " I would have your child diagnosed

(private) by a neurodevelopmental medical doctor (developmental

pediatrician or pediatric neurologist) who is knowledgeable about

apraxia and other neurologically based multi-faceted communication

impairments for numerous reasons. Reasons include (but not limited

to)

*having a " hero " on the outside of the school who can assist in a

therapeutic plan and oversee your child's development over the years

*advocacy support with the insurance company

* ruling out or confirming any neurological soft signs or any other

reasons for the delay in speech

*help those that ask " why isn't he talking yet " understand this is a

medical condition -and has nothing to do with your child's cognitive

ability. (if in your child's case it doesn't. Apraxia in itself

does not affect a child's cognitive ability -and speaking early or

late is no indication of a child's intelligence. Also contrary to

popular belief -most who have speech impairments have average to

above average intelligence)

Here's an article written by Neurodevelopmental Pediatrician Dr.

Marilyn Agin that was featured as a cover article in Contemporary

Pediatrics -a trade magazine for hundreds of thousands of pediatric

medical professionals across the US. (I wrote the parent guide)

" The " late talker " —when silence isn't golden

Not all children with delayed speech are " little Einsteins " or

garden variety " late bloomers. " Some have a speech-language disorder

that will persist unless warning signs are recognized and

intervention comes early. Includes a Guide for Parents. "

Cover feature article by Late Talker co-author Marilyn Agin MD

http://www.contemporarypediatrics.com/contpeds/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=1327\

20

Parent guide of article by Late Talker co-author

[Guest guest]

New Here too, Can anyone offer testimony on their

personal results witht he use of fish oils and what

happens if the children stop taking it. (such as

missed dose on completely weaning them)

Also any advice on sensory perception issues such hand

twiddling and responds highly to touch. Thanks Worried

Mom with upcoming appointment with Developmental Pediatrician.

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Hello worried mom

I would like to jump in here with some help to your question. We

have had our son on & off Pro EFA for over 4 years. At 3 years of

age he was diagnosed with the expressive level of a 6-9 month old.

He had severe oral & verbal apraxia. At that same time he began

appropriate speech therapy 2x a week for 30 minutes at the local

children's hospital. At 3 1/2 years of age we began Pro EFA. At

first I was really good about giving it to him & he began to

verbalize many new sounds & soon began making word approximations to

putting them together to make two word sentences. As time went on I

would forget often to give it to him, I saw no regression like some

see. But sometimes when we would start up again after being out for

a while I would see a neat surge.

Let me fastforward to present day. He is now a 7 1/2 year old boy in

mainstream second grade who does get in trouble for talking in class

sometimes : ) We have gotten to this point with just great therapy &

Pro EFA for those of you that don't know our story. We have not done

any of the alternative test on him. So if you are reading these post

feeling overwhelmed by all that is out there do what you can & know

that there is a happy ending to these kids.

I had a guest speaker at the support group that I run the other night

make a comment that really was interesting. She owns a speech clinic

& is a slp. She said if she had to choose something to be wrong that

apraxia would be it. She has seen most every apraxic child do very

well over the last 20 something years she has practised.

So for now we continue to give our son Pro EFA when we remember which

is not as regularly this school year due to a very busy schedule. I

still see a continued progress with his speech & am starting to see

the reading coming along for those that know our story. He is

getting speech in school 3 x a week & help in reading 4x a week & it

is coming along nicely.

Good luck at the Dev. Ped.

Tammy I. in FL

>

> New Here too, Can anyone offer testimony on their

> personal results witht he use of fish oils and what

> happens if the children stop taking it. (such as

> missed dose on completely weaning them)

> Also any advice on sensory perception issues such hand

> twiddling and responds highly to touch. Thanks Worried

> Mom with upcoming appointment with Developmental Pediatrician.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

thank you for this positive " real-life " story. I have a 4 yr. old with

severe apraxia who is making progress; it's great to read that there's a

good chance he'll be " ok " .

" tammyplus4 "

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Hello worried mom

I would like to jump in here with some help to your question. We

have had our son on & off Pro EFA for over 4 years. At 3 years of

age he was diagnosed with the expressive level of a 6-9 month old.

He had severe oral & verbal apraxia. At that same time he began

appropriate speech therapy 2x a week for 30 minutes at the local

children's hospital. At 3 1/2 years of age we began Pro EFA. At

first I was really good about giving it to him & he began to

verbalize many new sounds & soon began making word approximations to

putting them together to make two word sentences. As time went on I

would forget often to give it to him, I saw no regression like some

see. But sometimes when we would start up again after being out for

a while I would see a neat surge.

Let me fastforward to present day. He is now a 7 1/2 year old boy in

mainstream second grade who does get in trouble for talking in class

sometimes : ) We have gotten to this point with just great therapy &

Pro EFA for those of you that don't know our story. We have not done

any of the alternative test on him. So if you are reading these post

feeling overwhelmed by all that is out there do what you can & know

that there is a happy ending to these kids.

I had a guest speaker at the support group that I run the other night

make a comment that really was interesting. She owns a speech clinic

& is a slp. She said if she had to choose something to be wrong that

apraxia would be it. She has seen most every apraxic child do very

well over the last 20 something years she has practised.

So for now we continue to give our son Pro EFA when we remember which

is not as regularly this school year due to a very busy schedule. I

still see a continued progress with his speech & am starting to see

the reading coming along for those that know our story. He is

getting speech in school 3 x a week & help in reading 4x a week & it

is coming along nicely.

Good luck at the Dev. Ped.

Tammy I. in FL

>

> New Here too, Can anyone offer testimony on their

> personal results witht he use of fish oils and what

> happens if the children stop taking it. (such as

> missed dose on completely weaning them)

> Also any advice on sensory perception issues such hand

> twiddling and responds highly to touch. Thanks Worried

> Mom with upcoming appointment with Developmental Pediatrician.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm a grandma of a 4 year old boy who was diagnosed with verbal apraxia and

started

EFAs two years ago yesterday. When he turned 3, we added another capsule, and

he's

taken two a day ever since.

He was the most silent baby, but I seem to recall a day when the silence began.

Was it

after a visit to the doctor for his shots? I can't be sure. But I do recall

repetedly asking his

babysitter, " Is he babbling again, yet? " The answer was, " No. " And so we

waited.

Eventually he started making up his own signs, but we knew something wasn't

right. And

then the diagnosis. After starting the EFA, he had what I call a " soft surge "

of sounds.

Nothing dramatic at first. In about a month though, he began to imitate us when

we'd say,

" Up? " And he'd try. Soon he had words, and he hasn't slowed down since. His

vocabulary

is now really amazing, his articulation needs a bit of work, but he in therapy

for that. He's

happy, sunny, well liked and a funny little guy.

His sister turned 2 in September. She too, was a very quiet baby, with the

added " sign "

that she was what I called " skooshy " . Just soft, not floppy, but, well, soft.

We didn't drag

our feet on this one, and started EFAs at one year of age, with doctor

permission. She

SURGED! Man oh man! She had about six months of therapy for the signs of

muscle

weakness, and she's all over the place now, climbing, jumping, and very goodfine

and

gross motor control. She sings, talks. No problem, there. We are just so

grateful.

As for weaning them off the fish oil: NEVER. I take them too, and I'm 67. I

take two a

day.

[Guest guest]

I'm a mother of a recently diagnosed 2 1/2 year old apraxic son and all I can

say is thank you so very much for such a positive post. I can relate to just

about every post I read....I haven't heard my precious little one say mama

yet and only hear him say 2-3 very clear words and about 3-4 word

approximations. It gave me such a boost to hear of your success.

We just started giving our son proEFA about a month ago and definitely hear

him babbling more and beginning to actually play more. I'm assuming it's from

the proEFA because he's been in speech and OT therapy consistently for over a

year and that is the only difference we have made.

Thanks again for the wonderful encouraging words.

in NH

[Guest guest]

Another big thank you for such a positive post. I feel so helpless, even

though I believe I'm doing all I can do, it just doesn't feel like it's enough.

My 2 1/2 year old son is currently in EI once a week for speech and once a

week for OT and he's in private therapy once a week for speech and once a week

for OT. We are giving him the proEFA...although I can't seem to get a good

answer as to the dosage. We were giving him 1/2 tsp once a day and about a week

ago I decided to up it to 1 tsp once a day. Is that the right amount? No one

seems to know for sure...atleast what I've found so far. I know that more is

not always better on some things...but, if he needs more, then I want to give

it to him.

Where's the crystal ball hiding???

in NH

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat and all!

Pat since you are a Grandma that knows best!

" Granny really did know best "

http://www.fishupdate.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/3271/Granny_really_did_know_bes\

t_-_fish_oils_help_to_keep_you_mobile_.html

The story that Pat brought up about my son off the oils was in The

LCP Solution book. First story under apraxia in the book and

online. It was heartbreaking to watch:

http://www.drstordy.com/stories.html

(Tanner's page

http://www.cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/letter.html )

But that reaction is just for most of the children that either

regress or stop progressing when taken off the oils, or taken off

too soon. If your child is one of the rare few that shows no change

on the oils, and no change when you stop them either...or he or she

has progressed to where speech is no longer an issue and stopping

the oils makes no difference -then you could stop them...unless that

is, you care about stuff like health. If you live off the land and

your child consumes healthy essential fatty acids from nature like

greens, nuts, wild game and fresh fish and doesn't eat the " bad "

fats like the trans and saturated fried foods, french fries and

doughnuts and all -then he probably doesn't need fish oils for

health -because he would be getting them in his diet.

The " Does he have to take the fish oils for life? " question comes up

often -which means just one thing (especially on a Holiday

weekend) ...the grouplist version of the rerun -or what we like to

call -archive!

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 11:35 pm

Subject: Re: A lifetime of EFA's?Increasing Dosage?

Hi Tammy,

I don't post the dosage I use for my (now 8 and 10 year old) boys

here because I've found new parents increase the dosage way too fast

from what we've done over time as a group -but yes it's higher than

what you are using. I recommend you speak to your child's neuroMD.

I can tell you that one to two capsules a day is

considered " extremely conservative " by all the professionals that

presented at the First Apraxia Conference

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html (one capsule of ProEFA

is about the same dosage as what is approved by the FDA for infant

formula to give you an idea)

http://www.modernmom.com/content/1403

I can also tell you that I've found that a two to one ratio of the

ProEFA

over the ProEPA is the best for children with apraxia from what

we've seen here. And that personally I've found that a one to one

ratio of ProEFA to ProEPA is best for my ADHD son Dakota. So for

your son -you may want to look to increase the ProEFA first.

Will your child 'have' to take EFAs the rest of his life? No -he

won't have to. If his speech is fine at some point and you stop the

EFAs and there is no regression -and you start them again and there

are no more surges -then you could stop them. But know you are

cutting out Essential Fatty Acids that " are essential for our bodies.

Our bodies can't produce them so we need to consume them in our

diets, and they are virtually lacking in our diets today "

Martha Herbert MD PhD

(See now why don't people ask " will my child always have to eat

french fries and doughnuts the rest of his life? " !)

Then again -going ahead it may be added to stuff like french fries

and doughnuts to try to keep all of us alive and healthy.

http://www.mysan.de/international/article34255.html

More below (in an archive)

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:31 am

Subject: Re: Pro-EFA question

Hi Dawn!

There is so much online now about why EFAs are so important to all

of us. My favorite response however came from Dr. Martha Herbert

http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/NewFiles_Staff/herbert_martha.html

when I told her " Tanner's 7 years old now and to this day if I take

him off the oils even for a day he regresses! " She replied " Why

would you even want to take him off? They are essential for our

bodies. Our bodies can't produce them so we need to consume them in

our diets, and they are virtually lacking in our diets today. I know

I feel better when I take them. " I just love that -it really puts it

in perspective. What's also funny to me is that most of us don't

think twice about feeding our children all types of processed foods -

don't look at any possible risks now or in the future...even the

risk of all the low fat diets we are on now as this new paper goes

into

Saturated fats: what dietary intake?

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/80/3/550

Yet...faced with providing our children with EFAs (also called LCPs,

fish oils, Omega 3 and Omega 6 oils, PUFA, etc) we say " Wait a

minute! " and the red flag goes up. (do they sound too good to be

true?)

In addition to checking with your parents and grandparents as to why

they were forced cod liver oil as children throughout generations,

(something not done much recently) today you can search online for

information coming out all over the world. Even from me at

Speechville as to why explore EFA, EPA, Carnosine/Carn-Aware

http://www.speech-express.com/alternative-therapy/efa-faqs.html

Below are some articles I pulled up on a quick search. Of course

there is much more than this out there.

" Clover has however made moves in the US market, appointing a US-

based development manager during 2003 to capitalize on growing

consumer awareness of the health benefits of omega-3 DHA. "

http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-NG.asp?id=54424

" (PRWEB) August 16, 2004 -- Dr. Udo Erasmus, author of the

book, " Fats That Heal Fats That Kill " , says many behavioral

disorders -- even Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder -- are

classic symptoms of essential fatty acid deficiencies, and can be

successfully treated simply by adding fat-and-oil-rich foods or

supplements to the diet.

How would increasing your child's intake of essential fatty acids

(EFAs) lift his or her mood and improve mental performance? Dr.

Erasmus explains:

" EFAs are required for brain development and brain function. At 60%

fat, the brain is the fat-richest organ in the body. We are fat-

heads. It's a compliment. EFAs elevate mood and lift depression;

bring calmness (in dogs, cats, horses, children, and adults);

improve the ability to deal with stress and reduce the tendency to

get stressed; improve focus; improve motor co-ordination; improve

strength; speed learning; increase intelligence; improve visual

acuity and color perception in older people; calm down hyperactive

(ADD and ADHD) kids; make juvenile delinquents unresponsive to

counseling counselable; make violent criminals less violent;

decrease hallucinations in schizophrenics; improve Alzheimer's and

senile dementias. "

" We've been removing fats from foods for years and we're starting to

see the damage caused by essential fatty acid deficiency --

especially in children who have been fed low fat foods from

infancy, " says Dr. Erasmus. "

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/8/emw149222.htm

" The facts of life:

You need the right kind of fat-rich foods throughout your life and

especially when you are pregnant, says British health specialist

Holford.

Unfortunately, the wrong types of saturated fats - found in

processed foods, meat, dairy products and most margarines - are rich

in most people's diets, he says, while the right kinds of fats - the

fats that heal - are usually lacking.

These are the polyunsaturated fats or oils (also called essential

fatty acids or EFAs), and they are essential for pregnant women to

maintain a healthy hormone balance and to ensure optimum development

of the baby.

The developing fetus needs EFAs to construct the membranes of all

cells, and particularly for the development of brain and nerve

tissue.

Good sources:

Oily fish. Mackerel, herring, sardines and salmon.

Seed oils (cold-pressed virgin only). Hemp is best, then flax.

Soybeans

Walnuts

Seaweed

http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=342 & fArticleId=2201255

" Plasma free fatty acid and lipoproteins as sources of

polyunsaturated fatty acid for the brain.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

1478370 & dopt=Abstract

Without going into why -if you live in a state like NJ -you should

probably make sure your entire family is taking EFAs every day (even

the dog)

And if all this is just a bit too deep for a beautiful Tuesday

afternoon...

http://www.beechnut.com/Our%20Baby%20Food/Article_First_Advantage_Fact_Sheet.asp

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

My 4.5 y.o. son takes 2 Pro DHA (he started with the Pro EFA, but I

found the Pro DHA to be more effective for him) capsules a day.

Missing one day doesn't do much, but missing a week does.

Also, while I wholeheartedly agree that fish oils are absolutely

beneficial and necessary (for most people, not just our kids - I take

Pro EFA myself every day!), I saw a HUGE change in my son's

expressive language abilities after we dealt with his mercury

toxicity and 5 injected allergies (meaning they all came from

immunizations).

Chelsea

>

> New Here too, Can anyone offer testimony on their

> personal results witht he use of fish oils and what

> happens if the children stop taking it.

[Guest guest]

Hello

When we started our son on Pro EFA at age 3 1/2 we gave him one

capsule a day. At 3 1/2 my son was very tiny, I can't remember his

exact weight at the moment but I do remember he was a size 18-24

months in clothing. So maybe you can figure it by that. He now is 7

1/2 & weighs just 45 lbs. I now give him 2 a day but not as regular

as I should as I mentioned in the previous post. I am wondering if I

should up him. I am still seeing progress so I am not real sure.

For a time before going to 2 capsules a day, I would alternate giving

2 oneday & 1 the next. Maybe will jump in here & give some

advice. It can be such a chemistry lesson!!! I am just really glad

that I found this list many years ago & got in touch with . I

don't know where we would be without the folks here!!!

Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving. We have so much to be

thankful for!!!

Tammy I. in FL

>

> Another big thank you for such a positive post. I feel so

helpless, even

> though I believe I'm doing all I can do, it just doesn't feel like

it's enough.

> My 2 1/2 year old son is currently in EI once a week for speech and

once a

> week for OT and he's in private therapy once a week for speech and

once a week

> for OT. We are giving him the proEFA...although I can't seem to

get a good

> answer as to the dosage. We were giving him 1/2 tsp once a day and

about a week

> ago I decided to up it to 1 tsp once a day. Is that the right

amount? No one

> seems to know for sure...atleast what I've found so far. I know

that more is

> not always better on some things...but, if he needs more, then I

want to give

> it to him.

>

> Where's the crystal ball hiding???

>

> in NH

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chelsea that's interesting that the DHA alone works best for your

child. In two parental anecdotal feedbacks by CHERAB, one by ECHO

of Canada, and the professional anecdotal feedback -the Omega 3 and

6 mixed with around a 5 to 1 ratio of the Omega 3 over the 6 was the

best. EPA is also found to be so much more important to most of the

group -which is why I tell people if they need to use a pure Omega 3

for whatever reason to use the Coromega since it's a pure Omega 3 -

but very high in the EPA -higher than the DHA.

Also about Omega 3/6 formulas -when they researched fish oils alone

on ADHD using pure Omega 3 formulas -the results were the oils

didn't work. Then when they did the study with Omega 3/6 formulas...

for example http://www.durhamtrial.org/

So DHA alone and virtually without EPA -is not typical of most -as

you can read here

http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html

and here

http://www.speech-express.com/alternative-therapy/efa-faqs.html

You know how I always say that if the therapy and " right " formula of

EFAs that work alone for most don't work -to then explore the

biomedical approaches of DAN? Perhaps the DHA alone working best is

a sign of that. I wonder 'now' if the ProEFA would work better as it

does for most if you tried again? Just a thought.

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[Guest guest]

Hi , We've found the capsules of ProEFA to work nicely, for a uniform

dosage each

time. Many families use the capsules. We started one capsule for my

grandaughter at age

one. She was (and is!) teeny weeny. She had no problems at all; in fact, quite

the

opposite! We puncture the capsule and squeeze it into one of those tiny

medicine cups,

adding a bit of apple juice. She slurps it right down. My grandson takes two a

day, the

same way. He's the pickiest eater/drinker, but has never balked at his

" vitamin " dose,

thank goodness.

You're on the right road. Good luck! Pat

>

> Another big thank you for such a positive post. I feel so helpless, even

> though I believe I'm doing all I can do, it just doesn't feel like it's

enough.

> My 2 1/2 year old son is currently in EI once a week for speech and once a

> week for OT and he's in private therapy once a week for speech and once a week

> for OT. We are giving him the proEFA...although I can't seem to get a good

> answer as to the dosage. We were giving him 1/2 tsp once a day and about a

week

> ago I decided to up it to 1 tsp once a day. Is that the right amount? No one

> seems to know for sure...atleast what I've found so far. I know that more is

> not always better on some things...but, if he needs more, then I want to give

> it to him.

>

> Where's the crystal ball hiding???

>

> in NH

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tammy I'll give you a call. I'd say the two a day every day would

be best. One or even two are such conservative dosages. I mean one

capsule is about what is equivlant to what the FDA approved for the

dosage of infant formula -and he's 7.

Here's an archive with more!

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Sat Sep 3, 2005 4:31 pm

Subject: Re: pro efa dosage question

Don't feel bad, the more you learn about EFAs the more you realize

you don't know ...and nobody knows. (Kind of like trying to answer

the

many varied questions raised by Hurricane Katrina) There really is

some complex neurological, psychological, circulatory, and digestive

health reasons why EFAs are " essential " fatty acids.

Have you read The Late Talker book about this too?

(my co author Malcolm was also co author of The LCP Solution

Tanner's story is the first one under apraxia

http://www.drstordy.com/stories.html )

One thing I can tell you for sure,

At 5 years old, one

capsule of ProEFA probably isn't enough. It may be, but probably

not. I today suggest starting at the one capsule for a week to make

sure the child isn't allergic to the fish oil or borage seed oil,

(very rare)

and if not increasing to 2 capsules (both can be given together)

after the first week. Run by your child's MD.

Below are some archives to hopefully answer more/ introduce more

questions! Bottom line is even though we don't know why for sure

yet -we know it works almost across the board for the majority of

this group, and in clinical research)

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:39 pm

Subject: Re: Fish Oil Question

Hi and welcome!

Which one is healthiest -either. Which one will help a late talker

surge in speech -probably neither -even if you do start with the

4X higher dosage of EFAs. You are comparing a 4 capsule a day

dosage to a 1/2 teaspoon dosage -but they look like they are about

the same formula -just different dosages. (most here start with just

one capsule a day)

You really want an Omega 3 (DHA with preferably higher EPA) formula

with a small amount of Omega 6 (or GLA from primrose or borage seed

oil)

Here's a page on why as a group we like Omega 3/6 formulas better

http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html

Why does way less ProEFA work even better in so many that higher

dosages of Eflaex? Could be the EPA. Efalex has very little to any

while ProEFA's EPA is higher than it's DHA.

I also highly suggest watching the movie Lorenzo's Oil to understand

in a basic way the power of oil therapy/formula in general. Dr.

Hugo Moser who led the trials for Lorenzo's Oil (and was featured in

the movie) was our dinner speaker at The First Apraxia Conference,

and was so excited about what was reported by our findings that he

urged us not to wait -to " begin research immediately! "

Research..we wish. For now - try it and let us know what you observe!

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html

(And pssst, if all this EFA, DHA, EPA stuff is driving you nuts,

http://efaeducation.nih.gov/sig/aggretion.html )

>

>

> ANyone give efa's to their 4 or 5 year olds with apraxia and see a

> change in speech ? Or even an older person? I am curious about

this.

>

> Because my son is 4 1/2

Tina -let me know if you want to speak with Suzanne. She's going to

medical school now to become a neuroMD due to what happened with her

child on the EFAs. She wants research that the world takes

serious. was five.

Archive from Suzanne:

From: Suzanne Smolyar

Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 2:36 pm

Subject: RE: [ ] progress

Hi Gloria,

I wanted to say that I know exactly how you feel. Last night at the

table, 's brother (Ari 6.8) began to speak while was

trying to say something, so she looked at Ari and said in a loud and

affirmative tone " Shut up Ari, Shut up " . We were so excited and

overjoyed at her using that phrase - we forgot to explain to her

that it was inappropriate to use at the table and to her family

members. We just thought it was golden -just like you did.

Here is some background from one of my previous posts that will tell

you why this is so exciting .

" I am a mother of a beautiful 5-year-old girl, . Since the

time she was about 11 mo old - I had a feeling that something was

wrong with fine motor, gross motor and of course speech. Through

the past 4 years, I have gone to numerous neurologists, best in the

field, I must add. We have gone non-stop to therapy with ,

but the progress was painfully slow. did not speak- making

it nearly impossible for us to communicate with her. Everyday at

night I would kiss , and standing over her head I would

say, " please start talking tomorrow " - subliminal messages - hoping

they'd work.

To no avail, my child was just not talking. Therapy helped, but

progress was limited. I don't want to continue with this sob-story,

as you probably all understand the fear and frustration in parents

and the child as well.

After becoming involved with

[Guest guest]

Yes, I know, I did my research before starting my son on fish oil. I

am quite familiar with your information on the CHERAB website. THANK

YOU for having that site for us all to benefit from. I have spent

many hours pouring through your information.

It was reading the LCP Solution that got me started. Of course I

wanted to start RIGHT THEN, and Coromega was the only product

mentioned that I could pick up locally. It yielded no results, so I

then moved to the Pro EFA, which yielded some, but not a lot of

results. After doing more research, I determined that he might need

more DHA than the Pro EFA was providing, and sure enough, using Pro

DHA yielded much better results than anything else for him. At the

time, it was the only supplement he was taking other than Vitamin C,

so I had a pretty " pure " test subject.

When I encourage others give their kids fish oils, I always tell them

to start with the Pro EFA, but if they don't see the results they

were hoping for after 3 months, then to try the Pro DHA. Everyone is

different.

Interesting that you would bring up trying Pro EFA again... I was

just thinking the other day that I would take my Pro EFA to my son's

next visit with his kinesiologist to see if he thought he should take

it instead. Things have changed in my son's chemistry so much in the

last couple of months since he no longer has yeast overgrowth,

mercury toxicity, 14 allergies he used to have, and other things. It

could be that we would see completely different results now.

Thanks,

Chelsea

>

> Chelsea that's interesting that the DHA alone works best for your

> child. In two parental anecdotal feedbacks by CHERAB, one by ECHO

> of Canada, and the professional anecdotal feedback -the Omega 3 and

> 6 mixed with around a 5 to 1 ratio of the Omega 3 over the 6 was

the

> best. EPA is also found to be so much more important to most of

the

> group -which is why I tell people if they need to use a pure Omega

3

> for whatever reason to use the Coromega since it's a pure Omega 3 -

> but very high in the EPA -higher than the DHA.

>

> Also about Omega 3/6 formulas -when they researched fish oils alone

> on ADHD using pure Omega 3 formulas -the results were the oils

> didn't work. Then when they did the study with Omega 3/6

formulas...

> for example http://www.durhamtrial.org/

>

> So DHA alone and virtually without EPA -is not typical of most -as

> you can read here

> http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html

> and here

> http://www.speech-express.com/alternative-therapy/efa-faqs.html

>

> You know how I always say that if the therapy and " right " formula

of

> EFAs that work alone for most don't work -to then explore the

> biomedical approaches of DAN? Perhaps the DHA alone working best

is

> a sign of that. I wonder 'now' if the ProEFA would work better as

it

> does for most if you tried again? Just a thought.

>

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Where do i get the prodha capsules?