Fish Oils

January 6, 2009

Tried and true

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efatips.html#My

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January 7, 2009

Two pro efa to one pro epa, what is the next doesage if you want to

increase. My son is 5 and 54 pounds. Jen

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April 19, 2009

Hi, Nikunj

I'm new, but I think I can answer your first question: you need to start your

daugther with just 1 ProEFA capsule.

You can read a better explanation here:

http://www.speech-express.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=618

And here it's a copy & paste of a previous response to this group:

[ ] Re: which fish oil for apraxia?

The three brands most of us use here over the years have been ProEFA, EyeQ and

Efalex...and as far as pure Omega 3 you can add to that Coromega. ProEFA more in

the US and EyeQ more in the UK. Both ProEFA and EyeQ appear to be slightly

better than the Efalex -but in general you want an Omega 3/6 formuls that is

higher in EPA than DHA with a bit of GLA.

Here's a clip of an archive from the CHERAB group that may help answer some

basic questions about fish oils:

What fish oil should I give to my baby or child?

The confusion is more the brand names than the formulas. In actuality there

really is no such thing as a " children's EFA " perfect for all children yet.

However fish oils can be marketed to children by making fun flavorings and

smaller capsules. Most of the parents I know squeeze the oil out of the capsule

anyway -so that's besides the point for most of our group.

EFAs are in baby formula and food, and EFAs come and are used in a variety of

formulas for children for various reasons. Mainly we hear about the use of them

for healthy brain development in regards to children but Omega 3 and 6 are

essential fatty acids are essential to the body, yet our bodies can't produce

them so we need to consume them, and yet they are virtually lacking in our diets

today. There are tips posted to this discussion board on how to get fish oils

into children.

Dosage that was used for ten years now in the CHERAB group

" I will use the following examples with the brand name ProEFA since that's the

formula/dosage that seems to work the best for most of us (Efalex and EyeQ are

similar Omega 3/6 formulas that also have good reports) For any brand name of

Omega 3/6 formula -you could make the same formula by mixing together fish oil

and either primrose or borage seed oil. Keep in mind in anecdotal feedback done

by parents from all over through CHERAB -that pure Omega 3 (including cod liver

oil) or pure Omega 6 either showed no results -or very little results in almost

all cases. If wanting to use a pure Omega 3 the best reports were from higher

EPA formulas like Coromega -but again with the small amount of GLA better

results were reported.

When it comes to fish oils brand name isn't important, all that matters are

formula, dosage and quality of the oils.

Dosage of one capsule a day ProEFA that at the lowest dosage appears

to be the best -

148 mg EPA

99 mg DHA

40 mg GLA

Nordic Naturals makes a number of oils...the Omega 369 is the commercial line

sold in stores of the same professional line not sold in stores called ProEFA.

ProEFA is slighly cheaper as you get 90 capsules per bottle vs. 60

and in most cases on line for around the same price. For the person that says

they are using Nordic Naturals " fish oil " that may or may not be the right

formula. You want the ratio of at least what's in the ProEFA to start -but many

of us in the CHERAB group found raising the EPA a bit more brought even better

results.

here's some more info online

http://www.cherab.org/information/indexinformation.html#diet

Article from EngleMed " Look Who's Talking Now: Fish oil capsules help children

with speech disorders find their voices "

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/Englemed.html

For fish oils brand name doesn't matter -all that matters are formula, dosage,

and quality of the oil. When you are new to it you think all fish oils are the

same -they are not. Again you want a formula higher in EPA than DHA with a small

amount of GLA. I know that sounds confusing -which is why we do point to brands.

Here are sources for some of the brands our group has found success with for

years

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efabasics.html

http://www.speech411.com

There is also an entire chapter about fish oils in The Late Talker book.

April 19, 2009

-The FDA has not approved it for that use; that is why it does not say it on the

bottle. I cannot answer the other questios for you..sorry.

April 19, 2009

I only give my son 1 ProEFA a day, since I believe the 2 capsule dosage on the

bottle is for an adult dose.

I don't think letting her chew the capsule will hurt her, but another option is

to puncture it and squeeze the oil out and mix with a food or drink. This is

what I do every morning in my son's milk, and he doesn't seem to mind it at all.

>

> Hi,

>

> I got delivery today of my order of Nordic Naturals fish oil ProEFA. I ordered

the soft gels.. the bottle says recommended dosage is 2000 mg (i.e. 2 gels

daily). Now my questions are as follows:-

>

> 1) Is this dosage for adults or children? My daughter is 2 yrs and 4 months

old.

>

> 2) I gave one gel to my daughter to chew and she seemed to like it. So my

question is whether I should give her both gels together or at different times

of the day? What time? Morning, afternoon or night? Before food or after?

>

> 3) I found it a little funny that on the bottle they mention the fish oil

helps in having healthy skin, etc. but absolutely no mention of helping speech

development. I guess that maybe because it is not scientifically proven yet that

it does.

>

> Please let me know about my questions above.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Nikunj

>

April 19, 2009

>----- Original Message -----

>From: nickoct1979

>3) I found it a little funny that on the bottle they mention the fish oil

>helps in having healthy skin, etc. but absolutely no mention of helping

>speech development. I guess that maybe because it is not >scientifically

>proven yet that it does.

You're right, it's funny, because there are some studies out there that

Nordic Naturals could be citating:

http://www.omega-research.com/researchview.php?ID=185 & catid=2 (Specifically

it names ProEFA)

http://www.omega-research.com/researchview.php?ID=150 & catid=2 (fish oil +

GLA= ProEFA)

http://www.omega-research.com/researchview.php?ID=567 & catid=2 (Omega 3 --EPA

and DHA from fish oils-- and Omega 6 --GLA-- ratios etc.

You could find all the abstracts in this particular setion quite useful:

http://www.omega-research.com/research.php?catid=2

April 20, 2009

Actually Nordic Naturals only cites authentic research and journal articles that

have been published involving the use of fish oil and the evidence that has been

or was produced in the research or trial. The only reason that speech has not

been cited is because as of today, there has been no clinical trial research

done to study the effects of fish oils and apraxia of speech. So far, it has

been strictly anecdotal from parents like us. However, Nordic Naturals cannot

based claims from anecdotes, only from evidence-based research. Hence the

problem, it has been extremely difficult to get researchers to study fish oils

and apraxia.

Lori

>

> >----- Original Message -----

> >From: nickoct1979

>

> >3) I found it a little funny that on the bottle they mention the fish oil

> >helps in having healthy skin, etc. but absolutely no mention of helping

> >speech development. I guess that maybe because it is not >scientifically

> >proven yet that it does.

>

> You're right, it's funny, because there are some studies out there that

> Nordic Naturals could be citating:

>

> http://www.omega-research.com/researchview.php?ID=185 & catid=2 (Specifically

> it names ProEFA)

> http://www.omega-research.com/researchview.php?ID=150 & catid=2 (fish oil +

> GLA= ProEFA)

> http://www.omega-research.com/researchview.php?ID=567 & catid=2 (Omega 3 --EPA

> and DHA from fish oils-- and Omega 6 --GLA-- ratios etc.

>

> You could find all the abstracts in this particular setion quite useful:

> http://www.omega-research.com/research.php?catid=2

>

April 20, 2009

Hi. I just joined the group and am interested in starting my son (turned 2 on

3/21/09) on the ProEFA. I read " The Late Talker " and found the appropriate

dosage, however, the best supplement to hit the dosage appears to be the soft

gels. I'm not sure if he'd eat the softgels or not since he's had feeding issues

and is somewhat sensitive to textures. Has anyone used the liquid ProEFA or

Omega-3,6,9 Junior liquid? And do most of you use ProEFA (regular) or ProEFA Jr?

I think if I cut the 1/2 tsp dosage on the liquid to 1/4 tsp, the dosages come

close to what's in the softgel, but are still a bit higher on all ingredients.

If anyone has used the liquid and has a dosage recommendation for a 2 yr old,

I'd appreciate some advice. Thanks! What a great forum for apraxia kids.

April 20, 2009

We use the ProEFA capsules and I just puncture it with a pin and squeeze out the

oil into his milk and gently shake to incorporate it...

>

> Hi. I just joined the group and am interested in starting my son (turned 2 on