Re: DMSA backfire? -- and other thoughts on chelation--and a tangent about EAP

[Guest guest]

Hi Roe and all,

I did do a lot of research on chelation and a hair analysis.

According to Cutler's counting rules, I meet one counting rule that

would indicate mercury toxicity. In my research comparing DMSA with

DMPS, EDTA, and NCD/Zeolite, it seems the most people recommend DMSA.

I had three amalgams for 30 years (now removed), so surely there is

some mercury in my system. I started at a low dose of 25mg DMSA for

one day a while back and had no reaction, so more recently I tried to

do 50mg, in divided doses. That is when I had a major problem. Since

then (3 days ago), I am feeling better except that I am still having

vaginal burning (not to the degree of a UTI, more mild than that). My

guess is that my kidneys are not processing the DMSA well. I was

planning to do a heavy metal urine challenge test but my research

indicates the minimum provoking dosage for DMSA for that challenge

test is 100mg, which obviously I can't handle, since I can't handle

50mg.

As to the more natural things like chlorella or Pectasol or Modifilan

or foot baths, FAR saunas, etc, there are less testimonials as to

their effectiveness as chelators (from my research anyway).

In any case, I most likely will not return to the DMSA or any of the

other drug chelators that are not natural to the body. From what I

read, most people doing Cutler's method seem to be crawling around

with all kinds of reactions for 2 or 3 years. There's got to be a

better way to chelate than that...

It seems some people's bodies can handle the chelators much better

than others, and the only way to know is to try it.

All of the chelating specialists (MDs and DOs) I spoke to in my area

have wanted to give me large provoking agents for the urine challenge

test (typically 500mg DMSA all at once) or one doctor wanted to give

me a tripple challenge of DMSA, DMPS, and EDTA all at once in large

dosages. And these docs are supposed to be chelating experts!!!! So

my point is, I feel my own research has me in a safer place than if I

followed what these chelating specialist physicians are offering. If

I can't handle 50mg, than I surely could not handle 500mg that

the 'wonderful doctors' (sarcasm added here) recommend.

At this point, I am probably going to drop the idea of formal

chelation altogether and just keep cleansing the GI organs and eating

a primarily raw food version of the BBD and hope that the chelation

occurs naturally.

I have heard people swear by DMSA, DMPS, EDTA, Zeolites, or Cilantro,

with just as many people saying these things made them worse.

I'm no expert on this, but the above is based on my research and

thoughts put together.

I am also on LDN and have been considering doing Hans Nieper's

Calcium EAP IV injection protocol. It is a big commitment (IVs 3x per

week for minimum 7 years, and I have been doing a lot of research on

it, as it is a big decision. I have spoken personally to about 7

people now who are doing it or have done it. The majority of the

stories are highly positive. I spoke to one man today who went to Dr.

Nieper in a wheelchair and diapers and recovered 95%. It is 20 years

later for him now and his only MS symptoms are fatigue and that

he " can't walk more than a mile or two. " From his voice, he sounded

to be at least in his 60s, so that's pretty good.

I realize Cal EAP injections are a treatment, not a natural cure, but

some of the stories I have heard are quite amazing. And none of these

people are selling anything or have a financial incentive to tell me

otherwise. I still have a few more names to call to get some more

testimonials. I have heard a couple of stories of people whom it did

not help.

Dr. Nieper seemed to have been the best at individualizing this

protocol for people with MS. Most of the people I spoke to started

their protocols through Dr. Nieper in Germany. Sad that he is no

longer around.

--- In mscured@

[Guest guest]

Maybe you should try some of these things youself and not worry about

testimonials so much. None of these things cause harm. Calcium EAP is

a mineral and maybe you need calcium. It is not a medical/parmaceutical

treatment. Minerals are natural.

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> As to the more natural things like chlorella or Pectasol or Modifilan

> or foot baths, FAR saunas, etc, there are less testimonials as to

> their effectiveness as chelators (from my research anyway).

>

>

[Guest guest]

EDTA only chelates lead. If one is going to chelate, I believe it is

important to chelate what one is toxic in. EDTA and all others can be

studied at a detailed level with chemistry. I would and have studied

their chemistry. Again, I do not take chelation lightly - which is

why I haven't done it yet. I have heard that IV chelation is the only

true way to really get rid of toxins, whereas Andy Cutler totally

doesn't believe this to be true. So who is right? I don't know, but

would have to do a lot of work to figure it out.

Because MS patients have what is called a " neurogenic bladder " I would

definitely get a UTI urine test! Even without symptoms of burning -

one cannot tell if there is bacteria. If there is, I would make the

lab GROW the bacteria. 9 times out of 10, there is a bacteria out of

control causing the problems. Now just because one has bacteria,

doesn't mean they have a UTI, there has to be lots of white blood

cells in the urine and lycophes (sp). Again, a combination of

different chemistry is needed to dx.

Roe

In my research comparing DMSA with

> DMPS, EDTA, and NCD/Zeolite, it seems the most people recommend DMSA.

>

I am feeling better except that I am still having vaginal burning

(not to the degree of a UTI, more mild than that).

[Guest guest]

FDA has only officially approved EDTA for chelation of lead but it is

used to chelate many other metals. Insurance companies will pay for its

use to chelate lead and not for other metals. Here is one chemistry

focused article on this topic.....that shows how and why it clelates

many types of heavy metals

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/edta/edtah.htm

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> EDTA only chelates lead. If one is going to chelate, I believe it is

> important to chelate what one is toxic in. rest snipped