Re: Guilty or Not Guilty

[Guest guest]

Dennis Texas and group;

Forgive me but I don't understand your point. Well I understand the

point but I don't understand the list of relatives . Your daughter

dated someone who did something. And your nephew is spending 40

years for something he didnt do. I was trying to comment on this but

can't understand. Here is my comment anyway.

There are many people in prisons who are innocent. There are many

people who should be in prison and got a way with crimes. I believe

everyone reap what they sow so I guess thats how I deal with it.

Sorry about your nephew. I love my family, I have a brother in

prison that is innocent and I have a brother that is not in prison

that is quilty so I understand a lot.

It's a crazy world. I am glad I was born in a civilized nation. I

think there are a lot of civilized nations like Uk, Canada,

Australia and so on thats what I mean about civilized nations.

gentle hugs

Clora

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> I know something about this sort of thing. My 20 year old grandson

is in

> prison for 40 years because he 'molested a 2 and a 4 year old', but

there

> was no complaint filed for 2 years after my daughter

started 'dating' the

> husband of those kids. I'm sure the wife/mother had no part in

telling what

> the boys said or was involved any other way. I had first-hand

knowledge of

> the mother's vindictive side, but it's nothing that can be used in

court.

> It's like you that are reading about this case. You automatically

believe

> this story with no doubts in mind. I'm not saying this isn't

mistaken

> punishment, but it's easy to make claims that may not be altogether

true. A

> man shot and killed 2 men and got only 20 years and my

grandson 'may have'

> and got 40 years and a scarlet letter on his head until he dies.

Where is

> the fair in all of this?

>

> Dennis in eastexas

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry to hear about your son. All I can say is APPEAL,

APPEAL, APPEAL!! My heart goes out to you. My husband was molested

when he was a child and wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. The

man who molested him was his mother's new boyfriend. He was alrady a

ward of the court because his mom is a huge drug addict. She

beleived her boyfriend and left my husband when he was 6 at a motel.

What sucks when they tried this man, he pleaded " not guilty " by

reason of insanity and spent 5 months in a mental hospital. Because

he wasn't " convicted " , he says he doesn't have to register as a " sex

offender " .

Fast forward 20 some odd years and his mom still says he made it up

and married the chomo. My husband has younger siblings who have

small children. Now, my sister-in-law's 4 y/o son is a now a victim.

Sorry...I didn't mean to go off on a my own tangent of who the

judicial system fails sometimes. We do live in a country where it

has turned from " innocent til proven gulity " to " gulity until proven

innocent " . I wish I could give you more info to help you son other

then appeal and maybe hire a private lawyer. Sorry

>

> > Dennis Texas and group;

> >

> > Forgive me but I don't understand your point. Well I understand

the

> > point but I don't understand the list of relatives . Your daughter

> > dated someone who did something. And your nephew is spending 40

> > years for something he didnt do. I was trying to comment on this

but

> > can't understand. Here is my comment anyway.

> >

> > There are many people in prisons who are innocent. There are many

> > people who should be in prison and got a way with crimes. I

believe

> > everyone reap what they sow so I guess thats how I deal with it.

> > Sorry about your nephew. I love my family, I have a brother in

> > prison that is innocent and I have a brother that is not in prison

> > that is quilty so I understand a lot.

> >

> > It's a crazy world. I am glad I was born in a civilized nation. I

> > think there are a lot of civilized nations like Uk, Canada,

> > Australia and so on thats what I mean about civilized nations.

> >

> > gentle hugs

> > Clora

> >

> > **********************************************************

> > > I know something about this sort of thing. My 20 year old

grandson

> > is in

> > > prison for 40 years because he 'molested a 2 and a 4 year old',

but

> > there

> > > was no complaint filed for 2 years after my daughter

> > started 'dating' the

> > > husband of those kids. I'm sure the wife/mother had no part in

> > telling what

> > > the boys said or was involved any other way. I had first-hand

> > knowledge of

> > > the mother's vindictive side, but it's nothing that can be used

in

> > court.

> > > It's like you that are reading about this case. You

automatically

> > believe

> > > this story with no doubts in mind. I'm not saying this isn't

> > mistaken

> > > punishment, but it's easy to make claims that may not be

altogether

> > true. A

> > > man shot and killed 2 men and got only 20 years and my

> > grandson 'may have'

> > > and got 40 years and a scarlet letter on his head until he dies.

> > Where is

> > > the fair in all of this?

> > >

> > > Dennis in eastexas

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dennis - I am so sorry to hear that your grandson was framed in

that way. Were the children counseled and interviewed by child abuse

counselors? It seems so unfair that the " Wife " should be able to get

away with such a ridiculous lie.

I know what you mean about how the laws have changed, though. When I

was 17 and pregnant with my first daughter, my ex used to beat me and

then say there was nothing I could do about it because the police

wouldn't get involved in family disputes. He was right. That was 30+

years ago. Today, I could shoot the SOB in self-defense and get away

with it OR call for help and get the help I needed.

There still needs to be some major " tweeking " to the laws, though so

that innocent people aren't convicted of revengeful charges.

Doreen

>

> OK, let me try to clear this up.

>

> There was a couple in KC, MO area and they had 2 young children. My

> daughter picked up with him and he left his wife. Wife was mad as

> heck and was doing all she could to punish him and anyone he

> associated with, my oldest daughter and her son. Wife knew that son

> babysat for her before, so dreamed up a way to punish husband and

> my daughter. Her children were good ammunition for her so she told

> them what they were to remember from when they were 2 and 4 years

> old. Son (my grandson) was named the 'molester' and given a 40 year

> prison sentence.

>

> My point is that 'in the old days', we wouldn't believe anybody,

> calling the victim everything from asking for it, to liar, etc..

> Today, if someone whispers an idea of something might have happened

> " because I dreamed it " , the person accused is automatically guilty

> and usually can't be proven innocent. It's too easy to get someone

> in trouble with absolutely no proof.

>

> Dennis in eastexas

>

[Guest guest]

Dennis and group;

Ok I understand now ty. Oh do I understand. My daughter met this

guy who had a daughter wasn't never married to the mother but he paid

his child support.

When married him she became the little girls step mom. My

daughter just turned 18, the little girl was 2 1/2 years old. We

will call the child . The mother Sandy. Sandy hated my

daughter. My daughter is a fun loving type person.

I am trying to make this story short. I use to bathe with my

daughters till they was about 3, and taught them how to float in a

bath tub of water as I taught them how to bathe. I came from a very

large family of 10. Many of us slept in the same bed growing up till

daddy bought a big house on a GI loan. We were very poor. But daddy

worked 7 days a week and mommy would put Me and my 2 sisters in the

tub to bathe us. Than she would put the 3 baby boys in the tub to

bathe them (after me and my 2 sisters was out of tub and in our

jammies).

Growing up there was no sexual abuse, we never heard of that with

familys as you do today. My daddy was an honarble man and never

touched his girls sexually, He loved us dearly, sometimes he would

to spank from time to time ( we were very well behaved).

My daughter was accused of molesting the now 3 year old girl. My

daughter () went to court for months to prove her innocense.

Somehow the little girl said yes to a lot of things. Not to any

unnatural touching though. Everything and anything was brought up

about my family and me in court.

The judge put and the little girl in his office alone

before he made his final verdict, which was a 2 way mirrow so he

could watch the reaction of the 2.

When the judge made his final verdict he first said this. " If

familys would do like Mss 's family did, there would be more

morales today than what there is. I am so impressed with Ms 's

up bringing, I am impressed with the love in this family and the

ability of each person able to touch or hug each other. Now you

can't even hug you're child unless someone is accussed of

molestation. But what made my final verdict was watching these two in

my office. Little cindy crawled up into Mss 's lap on her own

free will with out any cohersing on Ms 's part. If this child

was molested she would have not showed Ms the love she

showed her in my office. My vedict is NOT GUILTY. He hit the gavel

on his desk. " haaaaaaaaa. I started crying with joy.

So, I imagine there are a lot of innocent people in prison, and

there is a lot of Guilty people running around. I know my

was innocent and she could of been found Guilty just as easy

especially since we was a huggy touchy family. (no sexual touch

involved). THat women messed up a wonderful friendship between my

daughter and her daughter due to her visousness. So sad. My

daughter after that was afraid to get close to little anymore.

Yes Dennis I understand. It can go either way. So we just try to go

on. I know in your case it is a life ruined from viscious people. I

am so sorry. My bible for those that belives says, Thou shalt not

bare false witness against thy neighbor. Oh we know exactly what

that means now. I believe everyone will reap what they soe. Forgive

my spelling I am sure you know what I mean.

gentle kind hugs

Clora

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>

> OK, let me try to clear this up.

>

> There was a couple in KC, MO area and they had 2 young children. My

daughter

> picked up with him and he left his wife. Wife was mad as heck and

was doing

> all she could to punish him and anyone he associated with, my oldest

> daughter and her son. Wife knew that son babysat for her before, so

dreamed

> up a way to punish husband and my daughter. Her children were good

> ammunition for her so she told them what they were to remember from

when

> they were 2 and 4 years old. Son (my grandson) was named

the 'molester' and

> given a 40 year prison sentence.

>

> My point is that 'in the old days', we wouldn't believe anybody,

calling the

> victim everything from asking for it, to liar, etc.. Today, if

someone

> whispers an idea of something might have happened " because I

dreamed it " ,

> the person accused is automatically guilty and usually can't be

proven

> innocent. It's too easy to get someone in trouble with absolutely

no proof.

>

> Dennis in eastexas

>

> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM, CLORA <clora4jesus@...> wrote:

>

> > Dennis Texas and group;

> >

> > Forgive me but I don't understand your point. Well I understand

the

> > point but I don't understand the list of relatives . Your daughter

> > dated someone who did something. And your nephew is spending 40

> > years for something he didnt do. I was trying to comment on this

but

> > can't understand. Here is my comment anyway.

> >

> > There are many people in prisons who are innocent. There are many

> > people who should be in prison and got a way with crimes. I

believe

> > everyone reap what they sow so I guess thats how I deal with it.

> > Sorry about your nephew. I love my family, I have a brother in

> > prison that is innocent and I have a brother that is not in prison

> > that is quilty so I understand a lot.

> >

> > It's a crazy world. I am glad I was born in a civilized nation. I

> > think there are a lot of civilized nations like Uk, Canada,

> > Australia and so on thats what I mean about civilized nations.

> >

> > gentle hugs

> > Clora

> >

> > **********************************************************

> > > I know something about this sort of thing. My 20 year old

grandson

> > is in

> > > prison for 40 years because he 'molested a 2 and a 4 year old',

but

> > there

> > > was no complaint filed for 2 years after my daughter

> > started 'dating' the

> > > husband of those kids. I'm sure the wife/mother had no part in

> > telling what

> > > the boys said or was involved any other way. I had first-hand

> > knowledge of

> > > the mother's vindictive side, but it's nothing that can be used

in

> > court.

> > > It's like you that are reading about this case. You

automatically

> > believe

> > > this story with no doubts in mind. I'm not saying this isn't

> > mistaken

> > > punishment, but it's easy to make claims that may not be

altogether

> > true. A

> > > man shot and killed 2 men and got only 20 years and my

> > grandson 'may have'

> > > and got 40 years and a scarlet letter on his head until he dies.

> > Where is

> > > the fair in all of this?

> > >

> > > Dennis in eastexas

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>