Re: Holistic Doctors For RA

[Guest guest]

Ira, I don't believe that RA can be cured that way. My advice is to go

to a rheumatologist for an evaluation. RA is a mean disease that needs

to be treated aggressively from the beginning. Joint damage is

permanent.

Sue

On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:32 AM, irabrightman wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> Has anyone had experience trying a holistic doctor for RA? There are

> such MD's that claim they can cure RA with a combination of diet,

> and supplements, and Traditional Chinese Medicine docs that use

> acupuncture, diet and herbs to do the same.

>

> Best to all,

> Ira

[Guest guest]

My view is that you should do both if you are interested in a holistic

treatment. Certain diets and supplements can be very effective but it won't cure

RA and it can be a very devastating disease with long term permanent damage. I

haven't heard of a holistic treatment that even come close to actually treating

RA, although I have heard those claims. There actually is not a medical

treatment that cures the disease either, the best you can hope for is a

remission induced by medication and even that is rare.

Stan

Seattle, Sun a plenty.

P.S. I don't mean to sound harsh but that's just the reality.

Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:32:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific

Subject: [ ] Holistic Doctors For RA

Hi All,

Has anyone had experience trying a holistic doctor for RA? There are such MD's

that claim they can cure RA with a combination of diet, and supplements, and

Traditional Chinese Medicine docs that use acupuncture, diet and herbs to do the

same.

Best to all,

Ira

[Guest guest]

I have used holistic doctors who have suggested supplements and diet and I do

receive acupuncture.  But none of the Naturopathic doctors or anyone else has

ever said they could  " cure " RA.  They are just treating the symptoms and the

inflammation.  The naturopath I went to suggested I continue taking my Plaquenil

as well.

________________________________

From: marysue <marysue@...>

Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:16:49 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Holistic Doctors For RA

Ira, I don't believe that RA can be cured that way. My advice is to go

to a rheumatologist for an evaluation. RA is a mean disease that needs

to be treated aggressively from the beginning. Joint damage is

permanent.

Sue

On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:32 AM, irabrightman wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> Has anyone had experience trying a holistic doctor for RA? There are

> such MD's that claim they can cure RA with a combination of diet,

> and supplements, and Traditional Chinese Medicine docs that use

> acupuncture, diet and herbs to do the same.

>

> Best to all,

> Ira

[Guest guest]

Good Morning

I have fibromyalgia & arthritis in my SI joint, r. hand & r. ankle next Tuesday

i go see a chiropractor-polarity healing doc & Friday i go to see pain mngt for

injection in my sacrum-spine area & I'm hoping btwn the 2 doc's to finally start

getting some relief in my lower back so i can function a little better.

Ive been doing a lot of research on different treatments be it md's,

supplements, alt. medicine, prescribed medications.

Recently i began using deep relief essential oil roll-on that young living has

on my right hand it works well to relieve the pain also works pretty good when i

start to feel a migraine coming.

My pain mngt. doc told me that the omega 3 complex is good as a natural

anti-inflammatory.

It's also been suggested checking into acupuncture & rain drop essential oil

massage treatment.

I don't think 1 way or the other is the right or wrong its whatever will work

best for you now & in the long run & since everybody responds differently what

wrks for 1 might not b what wrks for another & it might b that using a bit of

both wrks best.

While there's not a cure for any arthritis & some are worse than others i think

all options should be checked into & I've made a list of supplements to talk to

doc's about next week & get their feedback on so if anyone would like me to post

update on what i learn I'll b happy to share.

Enjoy your day we r never promised another, MayAnn

> Hi All,

> Has anyone had experience trying a holistic doctor for RA? There are such MD's

that claim they can cure RA with a combination of diet, and supplements, and

Traditional Chinese Medicine docs that use acupuncture, diet and herbs to do the

same.

> Best to all,

> Ira

[Guest guest]

Hi MayAnn - while its wonderful that you are getting pain relief via holistic

and pain management medicines, its important to note that RA is caused by the

body's immune system gone haywire. It is attacking and destroying the tissues

lining the joints, destroying the cartilage, loosening ligaments and tendons and

without proper treatment will lead to joint deformity. The things you've listed

help to ease the " symptoms " of RA, but do nothing to stop the damage it is

doing. Please don't get me wrong, I'm all for pain and inflammation relief - but

I also want to stop this disease in its tracks before I become more disabled

than I already am. So IMHO, I think holistic and pain management treatments used

IN CONJUNCTION with DMARD's and/or Biologics will ultimately give better results

than any one of these alone.

Again, this is just my opinion based on all I've learned about this disease and

its progression. I take Flaxseed Oil, Cinnamon, Garlic and Magnesium in addition

to the DMARD's (SSZ, MTX) and Biologic (Enbrel) as well as Percocet for pain and

Prednisone (lately) for excess inflammation.

I'm not opposed to trying new things to help relieve the symptoms. I'd be

interested to hear what you come up with after your next appointment.

Best wishes for pain freedom.....Doreen

Good Morning

I have fibromyalgia & arthritis in my SI joint, r. hand & r. ankle next Tuesday

i go see a chiropractor-polarity healing doc & Friday i go to see pain mngt for

injection in my sacrum-spine area & I'm hoping btwn the 2 doc's to finally start

getting some relief in my lower back so i can function a little better.

Ive been doing a lot of research on different treatments be it md's,

supplements, alt. medicine, prescribed medications.

Recently i began using deep relief essential oil roll-on that young living has

on my right hand it works well to relieve the pain also works pretty good when i

start to feel a migraine coming.

My pain mngt. doc told me that the omega 3 complex is good as a natural

anti-inflammatory.

It's also been suggested checking into acupuncture & rain drop essential oil

massage treatment.

I don't think 1 way or the other is the right or wrong its whatever will work

best for you now & in the long run & since everybody responds differently what

wrks for 1 might not b what wrks for another & it might b that using a bit of

both wrks best.

While there's not a cure for any arthritis & some are worse than others i think

all options should be checked into & I've made a list of supplements to talk to

doc's about next week & get their feedback on so if anyone would like me to post

update on what i learn I'll b happy to share.

Enjoy your day we r never promised another, MayAnn

[Guest guest]

Good morning Doreen

Oh hun i agree completely & while i do not have RA; mine is not as debilitating

as RA (i feel for everyone who suffers from RA as i lost my grandma years ago to

RA) i feel all options should be checked into not just to treat symptoms of all

arthritis but also in finding cures or @ least remission of some sort.

I have yet to make much head way as i just seen pain mngt for 1st time last week

but i know the essential oil blend i use on my hand is great wrks great on my SI

joint when i can get someone to apply for me. Im hoping this next week will sow

results w/chiropractor/polarity healing tues & pain mngt for injecttion into SI

joint area fri cuz percet long term is not a route i want to be on i was there

for my stomach last yr for 13mnths & it was hell while on med & when i was no

longer needing the med.

I myself decided to seriously start researching more natural options when the

side effects of lyrica almost made my DH fly hm on ER trip from Iraq cuz i was

have problems w/speech, falling dwn, blacking out & so on.

And like i said what wrks for 1 might not b what wrks for another but if more

vitamins & minerals will HELP then why not if a certain herb will help & doc

gives the OK then i say go for it. that's all & i don't ever mean to offend or

step on anyone's toes.

Just like I've found for me that wrking out if i go use the hot tub & such 1st

warm up all my muscles really good then i can go wrk out for 30minutes & not

kill over as i did when i did it vise versa.

I'll b sure to post what info i get from the doc's & what they recommend or

don't next week.

Wish ya'll the best weekend possible, MayAnn

>

> Hi MayAnn - while its wonderful that you are getting pain relief via holistic

and pain management medicines, its important to note that RA is caused by the

body's immune system gone haywire. It is attacking and destroying the tissues

lining the joints, destroying the cartilage, loosening ligaments and tendons and

without proper treatment will lead to joint deformity. The things you've listed

help to ease the " symptoms " of RA, but do nothing to stop the damage it is

doing. Please don't get me wrong, I'm all for pain and inflammation relief - but

I also want to stop this disease in its tracks before I become more disabled

than I already am. So IMHO, I think holistic and pain management treatments used

IN CONJUNCTION with DMARD's and/or Biologics will ultimately give better results

than any one of these alone.

>

> Again, this is just my opinion based on all I've learned about this disease

and its progression. I take Flaxseed Oil, Cinnamon, Garlic and Magnesium in

addition to the DMARD's (SSZ, MTX) and Biologic (Enbrel) as well as Percocet for

pain and Prednisone (lately) for excess inflammation.

>

> I'm not opposed to trying new things to help relieve the symptoms. I'd be

interested to hear what you come up with after your next appointment.

>

> Best wishes for pain freedom.....Doreen

[Guest guest]

Ira,

At this time, there is no cure for RA. Treatment with DMARDs is proven

to stop or slow disease progression.

Not an MD

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:32 AM, irabrightman <searcher100yy@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Has anyone had experience trying a holistic doctor for RA? There are such MD's

that claim they can cure RA with a combination of diet, and supplements, and

Traditional Chinese Medicine docs that use acupuncture, diet and herbs to do the

same.

>

> Best to all,

> Ira

[Guest guest]

Stan,

Today, drug-induced and drug-maintained remission of RA is not rare.

Not an MD

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:42 AM, <stanpfister@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> My view is that you should do both if you are interested in a holistic

treatment. Certain diets and supplements can be very effective but it won't cure

RA and it can be a very devastating disease with long term permanent damage. I

haven't heard of a holistic treatment that even come close to actually treating

RA, although I have heard those claims. There actually is not a medical

treatment that cures the disease either, the best you can hope for is a

remission induced by medication and even that is rare.

>

> Stan

[Guest guest]

I'll change that to " possible " because I really don't like giving anyone false

hope. When I met my Rheumatologist (last year now) she enthusiastically told me

I'd be 100% in no time. I'd put myself had 60% today and losing ground, the last

couple of days have been terrible. I need help. I have a prescription here

that directs me to " keep at room temperature! "   What does that mean? If you're

an Eskimo room temperature is very different than if your are herding goats in

Saudi Ababia. Do tents count? I don't know if I should turn on the air

conditioner or put it in the over. Room temperature could actually vary 80 to 90

degrees! Why don't they just say temperature doesn't matter, 'cause everything I

own in is room temperature. Help! Good to hear from you.

  

Stan,

Seattle, something like 9 days of Sun!

Re: [ ] Holistic Doctors For RA

Stan,

Today, drug-induced and drug-maintained remission of RA is not rare.

Not an MD

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:42 AM, <stanpfister@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> My view is that you should do both if you are interested in a holistic

treatment. Certain diets and supplements can be very effective but it won't cure

RA and it can be a very devastating disease with long term permanent damage. I

haven't heard of a holistic treatment that even come close to actually treating

RA, although I have heard those claims. There actually is not a medical

treatment that cures the disease either, the best you can hope for is a

remission induced by medication and even that is rare.

>

> Stan

[Guest guest]

Your rheumatologist probably shouldn't have said that, Stan. She also should

be doing more to get you there.

I am defining room temperature as 70 degrees Fahrenheit. The temperature

range for storage should be listed in the manufacturer's prescribing

information.

Not an MD

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:46 PM, <stanpfister@...> wrote:

>

>

> I'll change that to " possible " because I really don't like giving anyone

> false hope. When I met my Rheumatologist (last year now) she

> enthusiastically told me I'd be 100% in no time. I'd put myself had 60%

> today and losing ground, the last couple of days have been terrible. I

> need help. I have a prescription here that directs me to " keep at room

> temperature! " What does that mean? If you're an Eskimo room temperature is

> very different than if your are herding goats in Saudi Ababia. Do tents

> count? I don't know if I should turn on the air conditioner or put it in the

> over. Room temperature could actually vary 80 to 90 degrees! Why don't they

> just say temperature doesn't matter, 'cause everything I own in is room

> temperature. Help! Good to hear from you.

>

>

>

> Stan,

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, and when I told her I was setting up my back-up plan at with the VA

(State Health Insurance cuts)  all of a sudden I got a bunch of stuff we need

to get done. She gives lectures at the VA Hospital where I will be recieving

treatment. I've been having these ups and downs for three months so I decided to

be a lot more adamant about an " aggresive " treatmment.

Stan

Re: [ ] Holistic Doctors For RA

Your rheumatologist probably shouldn't have said that, Stan. She also should

be doing more to get you there.

I am defining room temperature as 70 degrees Fahrenheit. The temperature

range for storage should be listed in the manufacturer's prescribing

information.

Not an MD

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:46 PM, <stanpfister@...> wrote:

>

>

> I'll change that to " possible " because I really don't like giving anyone

> false hope. When I met my Rheumatologist (last year now) she

> enthusiastically told me I'd be 100% in no time. I'd put myself had 60%

> today and losing ground, the last couple of days have been terrible. I

> need help. I have a prescription here that directs me to " keep at room

> temperature! "  What does that mean? If you're an Eskimo room temperature is

> very different than if your are herding goats in Saudi Ababia. Do tents

> count? I don't know if I should turn on the air conditioner or put it in the

> over. Room temperature could actually vary 80 to 90 degrees! Why don't they

> just say temperature doesn't matter, 'cause everything I own in is room

> temperature. Help! Good to hear from you.

>

>

>

> Stan,

>

>