Re: List of fellowships

[Guest guest]

At 07:47 PM 8/9/00 -0700, Ken wrote:

>Hello everyone,

>

>Has anyone come across of alist of all (or a whole lot) of the 12-step

>fellowships on the net? I'm up to only 60 something and there are

>supposed to be over 1,000. Any help would be _greatly_ appreciated.

There are about 24 listed here:

<http://www.grrr.net/anon.html>

There are many more listed here:

<http://www.onlinerecovery.org/>

Actually, the webmaster claims this is the most complete list:

<http://www.onlinerecovery.org/wwwboard/messages/1655.html>

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[Guest guest]

Ben Bradley wrote:

> At 07:47 PM 8/9/00 -0700, Ken wrote:

> >Hello everyone,

> >

> >Has anyone come across of alist of all (or a whole lot) of the 12-step

> >fellowships on the net? I'm up to only 60 something and there are

> >supposed to be over 1,000. Any help would be _greatly_ appreciated.

>

> There are about 24 listed here:

> <http://www.grrr.net/anon.html>

>

> There are many more listed here:

> <http://www.onlinerecovery.org/>

> Actually, the webmaster claims this is the most complete list:

> <http://www.onlinerecovery.org/wwwboard/messages/1655.html>

>

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> http://listen.to/benbradley

>

>

Ben,

Up over 70 now. Thanks!

Ken

[Guest guest]

great list. what i thought was interesting was if 12-steps groups

really are not religious then why

aren't they included in the secular recovery list? hmmmm.

[Guest guest]

check out the xa group ARTS anonymous. it for people who are

powerless over their own creativity! im a professional designer, i

attended 4 years of art college, have practiced my art my entire

life, and that is about the most insane concept on human

creativity i have ever seen put forth.,( no more than AA i suppose.)

i have known my fair share of artistic wackos in my life, but man,

even they would have shaken their heads in disbelief at this

load. being an artist is about being in control, its all empowering,

their is nothing to be powerless over! their is hardly an act of

humanity which can be more completly individualy empowering

than the act of creation. i dare say, you cannot be powerless over

over creativity, even if you choose to not apply it, you still have

that

power to choose.

[Guest guest]

was told similar things. when i got sober and wished to live my

life to

potential again i was repeatedly chastised over and over.

when i wanted to quit smoking i was told i shouldn't because i

would drink,.

when i wanted to take a night class to continue my education

and expeince new

personal growth, i was told i shouldn't if i would miss even one

meeting.

when i wanted to get into the gym and practice some self respect

by getting my self in good psychical condition i was told by the

brainiacs " that never kept anyone sober " .

when i permanently quit smoking my sponsor said if i feel like

drinking i should smoke. (wouldn't dealing with the reason i

wanted to drink be a better choice?)

when i told my sponsor about how i informed my mother who

was dying from lung cancer that her husband and my father had

prostate cancer and expressed my feelings of fear and

heartache, i was asked coldly and rhetorically, " what are you

gong to do? WORRY ABOUT IT? " ( i fired him right there in front

of who home group, tore him the biggets asshole i have ever

torn anyone in my life and turned my back on him forever)

time and again any growth i desired or achieved which didn't

included the 12-steps or a meeting was a target 100% of the

time by the people in aa. my solution was i stopped going to AA.

guess what? 3 years later, i still dont smoke, drink and i have

been going to gym and riding my bike for 3 years (something i

promised i would do for myself i f i quit drinking and smoking)

and i am in best shape of my life and i feel great. what i learned

was those thing i was discourage from pursuing, DO keep me

sober, for without self respect, dreams to fulfill and growth to

experience, sobriety is meaningless.