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Hi ,

Here's the deal. With the 2ml (50mg) preservative-free vials, you

can draw up your first batch, and immediately draw up a second

syringe that you then cap off and refrigerate for the next week. So

you should be able to get 2 full doses from each 2ml vial for

Aundrea. This what our rheumy recommended.

It is no problem to just throw the used vials into the trash.

For the needles, you can get a Sharpies hazardous medical waste

container, like the ones you see at the doctor and hospitals, and

dispose the needles in that container. When it is full, you need to

find a place that accepts haz. med. waste to dump it. Personally, I

just break off the end of the needle and wrap it in a wad of paper

towel and throw it in our trash compacter. There ain't nothin'

that's going to accidentally come in contact with that crushed

needle after it's been compacted with other trash all week. Each

city probably has their own way of handling this issue.

Stacia and Hunter 8 systemic, iritis

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Hi,. It sounds like arthritis that is not being controlled

really well. Now that could be because he still needs the steroid and

the taper is not quite working or the MTX is not kicked in yet. Have you

talked with the dr about the fact he is having symptoms? The dr may want

you to hold off on any more tapering for now. Or the dr may want to try

another DMARD rather than the MTX, but I don't think the dr would change

that after only 12 weeks. I am curious about one thing - what med is he

chewing before bed? I have never heard of chewable MTX or steroid

(although it has been a few years since last took prednisone). If

a med is supposed to be swallowed, you should not chew it as that does

something to the absorption and thus the effectiveness of the drug. I

could be wrong - maybe there is chewable MTX, but if it is not, I would

try to get him swallow it, as he may not be getting all the medicine, or

try the injections. Many kids on the list use that and have great

results. I hope Joe is doing better soon, Michele ( 18, pauci &

spondy)

MTX question

Joe was started on Steriods and MTX on March 1st and now we are

tapering the steriod and the MTX 7.5 mg (for a 4 y/o) has been on

board for close to 12 weeks. He takes pills he chews before bed. The

last two weekends he has complained of his R knee and ankle hurting.

A week ago, he was better on Monday when I was going to take him to

the doctor. Bt that weekend he wanted to be carried and he did not

bear weight on his R knee Sunday morning and Sunday he said his

ankle hurt. By the afternoon both days he was back to running

around. Today, he was crabby this morning and laid around for a few

hours and we gave him ibuprofen. His Right knee seemed warm. Once he

got going he was better.

I don't know what to correlate this with the steriod are down to 7mg

last tapered 1mg two weeks ago. weather (alway changing in Iowa -

warm cold, rainy) or MTX being due and needing to kick in. Or being

4 y/o boy that is active

Thanks for listing-

This group has lots of insight- any advice/ suggestions are

appreciated?

- Joe 4 systemic JRA

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Michele,

Thanks for the response. Joe is chewing the MTX tablet that would be ideal to

swallow whole. Injections is an idea or I think I have heard discussion

drinking the injection. (correct me if I am wrong.) Joe's steriod is being

taper 2.5 mg a month right now. The last two weekends have been the only times I

have seen him appear to limp around. Otherwise, he has had no obvious joint

concerns.

We meet with the rheumatologist the beginning of June, it will make a calendar

and discuss things.

Thanks for the advice

- Joe age 4, systemic JRA

MTX question

Joe was started on Steriods and MTX on March 1st and now we are

tapering the steriod and the MTX 7.5 mg (for a 4 y/o) has been on

board for close to 12 weeks. He takes pills he chews before bed. The

last two weekends he has complained of his R knee and ankle hurting.

A week ago, he was better on Monday when I was going to take him to

the doctor. Bt that weekend he wanted to be carried and he did not

bear weight on his R knee Sunday morning and Sunday he said his

ankle hurt. By the afternoon both days he was back to running

around. Today, he was crabby this morning and laid around for a few

hours and we gave him ibuprofen. His Right knee seemed warm. Once he

got going he was better.

I don't know what to correlate this with the steriod are down to 7mg

last tapered 1mg two weeks ago. weather (alway changing in Iowa -

warm cold, rainy) or MTX being due and needing to kick in. Or being

4 y/o boy that is active

Thanks for listing-

This group has lots of insight- any advice/ suggestions are

appreciated?

- Joe 4 systemic JRA

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I know this response is a bit late (I''m not 691 emails behind!) but I

thought I'd give an update on Lexi in regards to this too! She's now been on

the

MTX (drinking the injection liquid) for about 11 weeks now, and we just tried

slowly tapering her off the prednisone too with no luck! This is the second

taper since being on MTX and this time we went from 2 mL twice a day for about 4

days, to 1 mL 2x a day, then .5 twice a day, then .5 once a day - all over

about a 9 day period. After being off of it for 2 days, she's back to crying in

the evening, at nnight, and in the morning about her knees and legs hurting,

as well as her wrists, shoulders, and hips now (new pain we've never had

except with her last nasty virus a few weeks ago.) We called our rheumy today

who

is upping her mtx dose to .5 (was .2 ml), and putting her back on the 1 mL

twice a day prednisone to see if that will work. Lexi's been on prednisone now

since December, and I don't know if that is typical to have to hang onto it for

this long - even with mtx on board? What is this sudden new pain now in

several other joints? Still no fevers though, so I'm pretty baffled by the new

joint involvement. Thanks for letting me update!

:)

Colorado

mom to 4 great kiddos

, 8

Ashton, 7 (ADHD, dyslexia, FG syndrome, and poss. NVLD)

Lexi, 3 (pauci JRA)

, 2 (mild CP, severe regulatory disorder / poss. mood disorder)

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prednisone tapers are the worse they can be soo hard. Nichoals has

been on prednisone for 18 months now. We have been trying to taper

for 17 of those months. With each taper his systemic symptoms would

return and we would add or increase his other meds. its been a

rollercoster of ups and downs. Until you find the right combo of

other drugs i thinks its very hard to come off the prednisone.

I feel we have the right combo for Nick now... and his pred taper is

going well. im hoping 2 more months and we will be done!!!!

Good luck..

hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

-- In , redfeather03@a... wrote:

> I know this response is a bit late (I''m not 691 emails behind!)

but I

> thought I'd give an update on Lexi in regards to this too! She's

now been on the

> MTX (drinking the injection liquid) for about 11 weeks now, and we

just tried

> slowly tapering her off the prednisone too with no luck! This is

the second

> taper since being on MTX and this time we went from 2 mL twice a

day for about 4

> days, to 1 mL 2x a day, then .5 twice a day, then .5 once a day -

all over

> about a 9 day period. After being off of it for 2 days, she's

back to crying in

> the evening, at nnight, and in the morning about her knees and

legs hurting,

> as well as her wrists, shoulders, and hips now (new pain we've

never had

> except with her last nasty virus a few weeks ago.) We called our

rheumy today who

> is upping her mtx dose to .5 (was .2 ml), and putting her back on

the 1 mL

> twice a day prednisone to see if that will work. Lexi's been on

prednisone now

> since December, and I don't know if that is typical to have to

hang onto it for

> this long - even with mtx on board? What is this sudden new pain

now in

> several other joints? Still no fevers though, so I'm pretty

baffled by the new

> joint involvement. Thanks for letting me update!

> :)

> Colorado

> mom to 4 great kiddos

> , 8

> Ashton, 7 (ADHD, dyslexia, FG syndrome, and poss. NVLD)

> Lexi, 3 (pauci JRA)

> , 2 (mild CP, severe regulatory disorder / poss. mood

disorder)

>

>

>

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Joe has been on MTX and Pred for almost 3 months. He had his prednisone dose

down to 7.5 mg from 15mg. We decreased over one month. The ped rheum wants to

do a slow taper decreasing the dose every 2-4 weeks. by 2.5 mg. then we were

hoping to reeval at 5 mg and see how to proceed. We did the liquid MTX for the

first time last week and he is back on prednisone at 15mg and we go to the

rheumatologist Tues. to hopefully come up with a new game plan. I think he

needs the MTX injections. Joe after 2 months of meds on board recently had

joint involvment. JRA is crazy. Best Wishes.

JOe 4 systemic JRA

Re: MTX question

I know this response is a bit late (I''m not 691 emails behind!) but I

thought I'd give an update on Lexi in regards to this too! She's now been on

the

MTX (drinking the injection liquid) for about 11 weeks now, and we just tried

slowly tapering her off the prednisone too with no luck! This is the second

taper since being on MTX and this time we went from 2 mL twice a day for about

4

days, to 1 mL 2x a day, then .5 twice a day, then .5 once a day - all over

about a 9 day period. After being off of it for 2 days, she's back to crying

in

the evening, at nnight, and in the morning about her knees and legs hurting,

as well as her wrists, shoulders, and hips now (new pain we've never had

except with her last nasty virus a few weeks ago.) We called our rheumy today

who

is upping her mtx dose to .5 (was .2 ml), and putting her back on the 1 mL

twice a day prednisone to see if that will work. Lexi's been on prednisone

now

since December, and I don't know if that is typical to have to hang onto it

for

this long - even with mtx on board? What is this sudden new pain now in

several other joints? Still no fevers though, so I'm pretty baffled by the

new

joint involvement. Thanks for letting me update!

:)

Colorado

mom to 4 great kiddos

, 8

Ashton, 7 (ADHD, dyslexia, FG syndrome, and poss. NVLD)

Lexi, 3 (pauci JRA)

, 2 (mild CP, severe regulatory disorder / poss. mood disorder)

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I'm sorry to hear of the mtx/pred struggles without getting rid of

the pain. It is very typical for many on this list to have been on

pred for 6 mos to a year and some for years. The goal is to find

the right DMARD combo that will allow you te get off theh pred as

quickly as possible. But as we all know, this takes time. You're

still in the process.

I'm glad to see the mtx dose was increased. Ask your rheumy what

the max. dose is for Lexi's weight. I would get on that dose and if

still not better, it'll be time to actually start the injections.

Like you, we took baby steps with the mtx for a good 6 months --

meaning, we were on the max dose but did pills first, then injecting

into juice, and then finally getting relief when we started the

actual injections. All that just to avoid a needle. Knowing what I

know now, I would have started right off with the injections, but I

didn't know then what I know now...

Stacia and Hunter 9 systemic, iritis

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thanks for the response. We'll see how this new higher dose of mtx will do,

then try the taper in a few weeks again. It's nice to know this is " typical "

at least!

:)

Colorado

mom to Lexi, 3 pauci

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We go back to Lexi's rheumy in about 2 weeks, so I will ask him that!

Hopefully we can get this under control soon...Lexi's defiance and temper

tantrums

since starting the pred has been horrendous!

:)

Lexi, 3 pauci

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I have never really skipped my MTX. I know if one is sick, they are

not suppose to take it. Have you thought about taking it Friday night,

and then by Monday morning you should feel better?

I take mine on Saturday night, that gives me a chance to rest up.

Good luck, Tawny

> Is it okay to skip a weeks' dose of methotrexate? Has anyone done

this

> and had adverse reaction(s)? I'm a teacher, school starts this

week,

> and I don't have a minute to spare........much less a day or two to

be

> fighting extreme sleepiness and fatigue.

>

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I skipped a week during June because I was travelling and needed all

my energy.I did just fine.

- In , " lisake40 " <lisaestill@s...> wrote:

> Is it okay to skip a weeks' dose of methotrexate? Has anyone done

this

> and had adverse reaction(s)? I'm a teacher, school starts this

week,

> and I don't have a minute to spare........much less a day or two to

be

> fighting extreme sleepiness and fatigue.

>

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I am on metho injectable and I have forgotten. Nothing happened, when I

remembered I just took it. Also, before surgery I had to stop and couldn't take

it for about 6 weeks. Everything was okay. At the end of the 6 weeks the

ra flared up but that was to be expected.

Lynn

lisake40 wrote:

> Is it okay to skip a weeks' dose of methotrexate? Has anyone done this

> and had adverse reaction(s)? I'm a teacher, school starts this week,

> and I don't have a minute to spare........much less a day or two to be

> fighting extreme sleepiness and fatigue.

>

>

>

>

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Once I took it a day late because I was driving home from a trip. I

have also taken reduced doses a couple of times so I would feel good

enough for certain activities. There's a little flexibility with MTX, I

think. A nurse I know said that her rheumy told her that it's o.k. for

her to skip once in awhile. Good luck with the school

prep!

Sierra

> - In , " lisake40 " <lisaestill@s...> wrote:

> > Is it okay to skip a weeks' dose of methotrexate? Has anyone done

> this

> > and had adverse reaction(s)? I'm a teacher, school starts this

> week,

> > and I don't have a minute to spare........much less a day or two to

> be

> > fighting extreme sleepiness and fatigue.

> >

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Definitely hold it till next week. I had the same thing happen when I was on

MTX but instead of holding it I took it and ended up in the hospital. My

rheumi said its always best to let your immune system have as much strength as

it can to fight those kind of bugs. Missing one dose wont be to detramental,

but if you suppress her immune system and she can't get fight off the bug it

would be way worse. Hope she feels better soon!

Love always

(20, JAS)

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Thanks so much for your advice ...It does seem like her immune

system is already so compromised so your explanation makes a great

deal of sense to me.

Hopefully, tomorrow will be a better day..So far her fever hasn't

broke and she is extremely lethargic, but I was able to get her to

eat a popsicle and 1/2 cup of chix broth.

She is sleeping with me tonight so that I can keep a watch on the

fever.

thanks again for your quick response...

Blessings,

sonia (aundrea 10 systemic jra)--

- In , bncknwurnumber@a... wrote:

>

> Definitely hold it till next week. I had the same thing happen

when I was on

> MTX but instead of holding it I took it and ended up in the

hospital. My

> rheumi said its always best to let your immune system have as much

strength as

> it can to fight those kind of bugs. Missing one dose wont be to

detramental,

> but if you suppress her immune system and she can't get fight off

the bug it

> would be way worse. Hope she feels better soon!

>

> Love always

> (20, JAS)

>

>

>

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If you give Drea the MTX and she is dehydrated it causes the MTX to be more

toxic.

Just skip it this week.Missing 1 dose should not cause a flare up of Arthur.

We just had to skip the MTX and Enbrel due to pneumonia.

I hope Aundrea feels better soon.

Hugs

Becki and 7 systemic

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s lungs are finaly clear but now he seems to be getting a cold.I can't

wait for summer break,lol

Poor Aundrea.There is nothing worse then an intestinal virus.They just take

everything out of you.

I hate to hear her fever is returning but glad you are able to get a bit more

fluids in her.Hopefuly it will be all over in a day or two.

Hugs

Becki and 7 systemic

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Hi :

Sorry, no advice as we never encountered this while Caitlin was on MTX, but I

wanted to check in with you to see how Miss Aundrea is feeling today. How is

she doing? Better I hope.

Take care.

Patty

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Thanks Becki....Aundrea is doing better..Still not taking in any food,

but getting some broth and pedialite in her...The fever broke in the

night but is returning this afternoon...Still, I think she is getting

better! skipped the mtx...

How is doing? Over the pneumonia? Tis the season for germs,

bugs and viruses isn't it!

(Drea 10 systemic jra)

>

> ,

> If you give Drea the MTX and she is dehydrated it causes the MTX to

be more

> toxic.

> Just skip it this week.Missing 1 dose should not cause a flare up of

Arthur.

> We just had to skip the MTX and Enbrel due to pneumonia.

> I hope Aundrea feels better soon.

> Hugs

> Becki and 7 systemic

>

>

>

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Hi Patty,

So sweet of you to check in on us...She is doing lots better..Ate a

little food this evening and the dizziness is not so bad..After two

days of being in my bed she finally climbed out and went downstairs

to the couch! :-)

Stomach viruses are so yucky...The good thing was that we were able

to keep her hydrated enough that I didn't have to take her to the er.

My son ended up staying home today as well. He has a sore throat

and headache..He slept for 4 hours and woke up feeling lots

better..When I went to the school to get their homework they said

they had sent over 50 students home sick with fevers and sore

throats...Ughhh somehow in this warm weather of az. I thought we

wouldn't have the same winter bugs! :-) No escaping that I guess!

Are you having a good week?

(aundrea 10 systemic jra)--

- In , ThreeMayEmeralds@a... wrote:

>

> Hi :

>

> Sorry, no advice as we never encountered this while Caitlin was on

MTX, but I

> wanted to check in with you to see how Miss Aundrea is feeling

today. How is

> she doing? Better I hope.

>

> Take care.

> Patty

>

>

>

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Hi Patty... Caroline still has a low grade fever (100.2). She has a

definite scratchy throat. We saw her rheumy yesterday and she didn't

have an ear infection or strep so we'll wait and see. Today is much

worse than yesterday, but she is in good spirits!

Thanks for checking in on us!!

Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and iritis

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of ThreeMayEmeralds@...

Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: Mtx question

Hi Alia:

How is Miss Caroline feeling today? I do hate this time of year

particularly

as it's the season to get sick:(

Take care.

Patty

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Hi :

Wow, 50 students with fever and sore throats, that's incredible! How is

Aundrea and your son feeling now? I feel the beginnings of a cold with the sore

throat, etc. You know me, with the whole strep issue! Caitlin and I shared a

(yes, I was bad, but it tasted oh so yummy!) Strawberry Tallcake at Ruby's

last night and now I feel crappy:(

Other than that, I am having a good week here. Shopping and decorating

mostly. Learning the area daily and even found a short cut into town yesterday.

Pretty funny, take one road and think 'hey this looks familiar' and bam there

you are. Although, I must admit, I now look at a lot of these roads,

especially the ones with steep, winding hills, and think 'good Lord how do these

people

get down the road with the ice without sliding into the main road, into a

pole or off the darn thing.' I don't care what people say 4wheelers aren't

going

to keep you ON the road with ice!

How is your shopping going? Any new developments on the chiropractor office?

Take care.

Patty

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Kathy, I didn't realize that the Benadryl was for headaches etc. as well. I

assumed it was for nausea only??? Hmmm.... My dr. gave me some migraine

meds last night and I am feeling good right now. I was also mistaken after

my husband re-read my prescription and I am to continue taking 5 pills for a

month. I almost took 6 pills this Friday. I really need to pay more

attention or could be in trouble.

Thank you so much for replying, I know you are answering these questions

over and over and over. We all appreciate it.

Thanks!

Ontario

[Editor's Note: I'm so glad the migraine pills are working. IF the MTX works

some magic on you, you may have found a way to eliminate the headaches.

Chemical changes (such as those caused by taking medication) can bring on

migraines. Benadryl is often used as a PREVENTATIVE treatment as it has been

shown to lessen the severity and frequency of migraines, particularly if a

migraine is caused as a reaction to chemical changes from medication. So - you

might want to try Benadryl an hour or two before you next take MTX and if it

doesn't help, you can then use the migraine pills. Please let us know how it

goes for you - and, yes, your body MIGHT become used to MTX over time such that

you become symptom free. Kathy F.]

[ ] MTX Question

> Hello All! I started MTX last Friday. 4 pills last Friday, 5 this Friday

> and then 6 a week until I see my Rheumy in 3 months. Last week, I had a

> bad

> headache only. Thought this was a piece of cake. This weekend was a right

> off, really bad migraine, very painful back and just can't get up.

> Yesterday the headache was gone, but still so weak and tired. I am so

> scared to take it next weekend, knowing how I am going to feel. Will it

> get

> better as you take it more times?

>

> My Rheumy gave me a choice between MTX and Sulfasalazine and I choose MTX

> because of the great results I heard here.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ontario

>

> [Editor's Note: , I suggest you talk to your rheumy asap. It is

> possible that if you take a dose of Benadryl an hour or so before taking

> MTX that you will have NO adverse symptoms. Many of us do that and it

> helped eliminate all nausea and headaches associated with taking MTX for

> some of us. Kathy F.]

>

>

>

>

> Please visit our Psoriatic Arthritis Group's informational web page at:

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> aka(raharris@...).

>

> Also,in August 2001,list member Jack aka Cornishpro@... began

> to conduct extensive research which he publishes as the " Psoriatic

> Arthritis Research Newsletter " , monthly in our email and digest format.

> Many thanks to Jack. Back issues of the newsletter are stored on our PA

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>

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