Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 If you would like someone here to look at hair results I think it would be most helpful if you could re-post the entire hair test results including all toxins and all the minerals. [ ] test results Was looking at my son's hair results (from Doctor's Data) in reference to the fact sheet -- here's our results: He was out of ranges on: Aluminum (9.5) Antimony (.10) Bismuth (.13 -- on refernece range) Cadmium (.10) Titanium (2.1) Top three were titanium, antimony, and aluminum. Was also out of range for: Zinc (200) Zirconium (.96) For ratios Ca/Mg (9.54) - in range Ca/P (.611) - low Na/K (2.5) - in range Zn/Cu (25) - in range Zn/Cd (>999) - in range Can anyone enlighten me on the Titanium elevation? I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere -- the aluminum and antimony were discussed? Does anynoe think chelation would be beneficial? Thanks Diane ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Titanium is in lots of meds. It's also (or used to be) in Vance's dari-free. S <tt> <BR> Was looking at my son's hair results (from Doctor's Data) in <BR> reference to the fact sheet -- here's our results:<BR> <BR> He was out of ranges on:<BR> Aluminum (9.5)<BR> Antimony (.10)<BR> Bismuth (.13 -- on refernece range)<BR> Cadmium (.10)<BR> Titanium (2.1)<BR> <BR> Top three were titanium, antimony, and aluminum.<BR> <BR> Was also out of range for:<BR> Zinc (200)<BR> Zirconium (.96)<BR> <BR> <BR> For ratios<BR> Ca/Mg (9.54) - in range<BR> Ca/P (.611) - low<BR> Na/K (2.5) - in range<BR> Zn/Cu (25) - in range<BR> Zn/Cd (>999) - in range<BR> <BR> Can anyone enlighten me on the Titanium elevation? I haven't seen <BR> this mentioned anywhere -- the aluminum and antimony were discussed?<BR> <BR> Does anynoe think chelation would be beneficial?<BR> <BR> Thanks<BR> Diane<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br><br> <tt> =======================================================<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 I uploaded the entire test results in the files section -- it's called hairtest.jpg (CMP hair test) -- if anyone could comment that would be much appreciated. Link: http://f2.grp.fs.com/v1/YJCvQfN3EW3JS6duaTE11Al6XKTXpPKUwFH3aVRl T8xsK57jGseLfimNMuDavJuN3aFCo1b0th15I14VF1KepCCWuylAWS8/hairtest.JPG Sorry I didn't do this in the first place. Diane > If you would like someone here to look at hair results I think it would be most helpful if you could re-post the entire hair test results including all toxins and all the minerals. > [ ] test results > > > > Was looking at my son's hair results (from Doctor's Data) in > reference to the fact sheet -- here's our results: > > He was out of ranges on: > Aluminum (9.5) > Antimony (.10) > Bismuth (.13 -- on refernece range) > Cadmium (.10) > Titanium (2.1) > > Top three were titanium, antimony, and aluminum. > > Was also out of range for: > Zinc (200) > Zirconium (.96) > > > For ratios > Ca/Mg (9.54) - in range > Ca/P (.611) - low > Na/K (2.5) - in range > Zn/Cu (25) - in range > Zn/Cd (>999) - in range > > Can anyone enlighten me on the Titanium elevation? I haven't seen > this mentioned anywhere -- the aluminum and antimony were discussed? > > Does anynoe think chelation would be beneficial? > > Thanks > Diane > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 > He was out of ranges on: > Aluminum (9.5) > Antimony (.10) > Bismuth (.13 -- on refernece range) > Cadmium (.10) > Titanium (2.1) Consider removing sources of current exposures http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Hi Louis it looks like your LH and FSH are mid range with you Total & Free T low, looks like your could be primary. Have you ever been on TRT if not get an MRI if it looks good start on TRT try the gels or get shots if you do shots do them every week and get your E2 Estradiol check. Phil Louis Nardozi <lnardozi@...> wrote: Hi All, It's Louis Nardozi again. I got a new doctor and some tests and the following results just came in. GENERAL CHEM NA 135-145 139 K 3.2-5-5 4.0 CL 97-111 101 CO2 20-30 29 GLU 70-125 169H BUN 5-26 13 CREAT 0.4-1.4 1.1 SGOT 10-50 22 SGPT 0-50 74H ALP 30-125 69 T.BILI 0.2-1.2 0.5 CA 8.4-10.4 9.2 T.PROT 6.1-8.4 7.3 ALB 3.6-5.5 4.2 SPEC PROTEIN IGF-1 90-360 91 CHEM ENDOCR HEMOA1C 4.8-6.0 6.9HT FSH 1.6-8.0 5.8 T LH 1.5-9.3 6.0 T TSH 0.34-4.82 2.27 FREET4 0.59-1.17 0.76 CORTISOL S .08 T CHEM ENDOCR TESTOS 260-100 244LT FREE T 8.3-35.1 6.3L %FREE 0.2-0.6 0.3 URINE CHEM CREATUR 30.0-125.0 75.9 MICALB RAN 0.0 - 20.0 35.5 H What do you make of these numbers, guys? Do you think I'd be eligible for HCG? With the low IGF-1, am I a candidate for HGH replacement? Thanks, Louis Nardozi -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.2.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Low Testosterone with normal or low nomal LH and FSH is Secondary Hypogonadism. Low Testosterone with high normal or very high LH and FSH is Primary Hypogonadism. Need these before you start TRT, HCG, HGH, Thyroid. You have some Pititary disorder, might need a brain scan to see. You need Prolactin, Estradiol and Ferritin blood tests. Testosterone is low. HCG, TRT TSH is high. T4, Armour IGF-1 is low. HGH Also it looks like you have some pre-diabetes issue. Did you fast 12 hours before the blood was drawn? Also your liver values are off, do you drink, heavy exersize, high protien foods? Might want to check out all the other reasons for liver values being off. > Hi All, > > It's Louis Nardozi again. I got a new doctor and some tests and the > following results just came in. > > GENERAL CHEM > > NA 135-145 139 > K 3.2-5-5 4.0 > CL 97-111 101 > CO2 20-30 29 > GLU 70-125 169H > BUN 5-26 13 > CREAT 0.4-1.4 1.1 > SGOT 10-50 22 > SGPT 0-50 74H > ALP 30-125 69 > T.BILI 0.2-1.2 0.5 > CA 8.4-10.4 9.2 > T.PROT 6.1-8.4 7.3 > ALB 3.6-5.5 4.2 > > > SPEC PROTEIN > > IGF-1 90-360 91 > > > CHEM ENDOCR > > HEMOA1C 4.8-6.0 6.9HT > FSH 1.6-8.0 5.8 T > LH 1.5-9.3 6.0 T > TSH 0.34-4.82 2.27 > FREET4 0.59-1.17 0.76 > CORTISOL S .08 T > > CHEM ENDOCR > > TESTOS 260-100 244LT > FREE T 8.3-35.1 6.3L > %FREE 0.2-0.6 0.3 > > URINE CHEM > > CREATUR 30.0-125.0 75.9 > MICALB RAN 0.0 - 20.0 35.5 H > > What do you make of these numbers, guys? Do you think I'd be eligible > for HCG? With the low IGF-1, am I a candidate for HGH replacement? > > Thanks, > > Louis Nardozi > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.2.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:32:23 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Hi Louis it looks like your LH and FSH are mid range with you Total & Free T low, looks like your could be primary. Have you ever been on TRT if not get an MRI if it looks good start on TRT try the gels or get shots if you do shots do them every week and get your E2 Estradiol check. If LH and FSH are normal, the follow up should be a prolactin test. If that's normal there's no need for an MRI. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 I think your TSH is high. Before you go on TRT, I remeber reading Shippen's book where he stated sometimes a good dose of HCG could get the testicles performing normally again. But too much HCG will also further damage the testicles. Your LH and FSH are fairly normal high. > > Hi All, > > > > It's Louis Nardozi again. I got a new doctor and some tests and the > > following results just came in. > > > > GENERAL CHEM > > > > NA 135-145 139 > > K 3.2-5-5 4.0 > > CL 97-111 101 > > CO2 20-30 29 > > GLU 70-125 169H > > BUN 5-26 13 > > CREAT 0.4-1.4 1.1 > > SGOT 10-50 22 > > SGPT 0-50 74H > > ALP 30-125 69 > > T.BILI 0.2-1.2 0.5 > > CA 8.4-10.4 9.2 > > T.PROT 6.1-8.4 7.3 > > ALB 3.6-5.5 4.2 > > > > > > SPEC PROTEIN > > > > IGF-1 90-360 91 > > > > > > CHEM ENDOCR > > > > HEMOA1C 4.8-6.0 6.9HT > > FSH 1.6-8.0 5.8 T > > LH 1.5-9.3 6.0 T > > TSH 0.34-4.82 2.27 > > FREET4 0.59-1.17 0.76 > > CORTISOL S .08 T > > > > CHEM ENDOCR > > > > TESTOS 260-100 244LT > > FREE T 8.3-35.1 6.3L > > %FREE 0.2-0.6 0.3 > > > > URINE CHEM > > > > CREATUR 30.0-125.0 75.9 > > MICALB RAN 0.0 - 20.0 35.5 H > > > > What do you make of these numbers, guys? Do you think I'd be eligible > > for HCG? With the low IGF-1, am I a candidate for HGH replacement? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Louis Nardozi > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.2.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 The doctor called today and that's exactly what was prescribed. Prolactin and an MRI. I had to call and badger him to get him to look at my chart, and fax him the lab results because he " didn't have them yet. " . Sheesh. Insurance company would come out cheaper letting me do my own research (read - asking you guys <g>). Thanks, Louis > If LH and FSH are normal, the follow up should be a prolactin test. If > that's normal there's no need for an MRI. > > - - - - > Just another albino black sheep -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Do you know where I can get more information on TSH? The normal range on my lab shows a high of 4.82, but I understand <1 is desirable? Regards, Louis > I think your TSH is high. Before you go on TRT, I remeber reading > Shippen's book where he stated sometimes a good dose of HCG could get > the testicles performing normally again. But too much HCG will also > further damage the testicles. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Hi Mark, My 2 cents: 120mg weekly. Peace, Bruce > > Hey group, > > Finally got the " after the shot " test results from a few weeks back. > Not sure if the problem was the lab or the doc's office, but I've got > them now. Just wanted to get your input > > Here are the ranges... > > Total T 260-1000 ng/dL > %Free T 1.0-2.7% > Free T 50-210 pg/mL > Estradiol 10-50 pg/mL > > 1 day before shot: > Total T: 666 > %Free T: 3.07 > Free T: 204.5 > Estradiol: 33 > > 2 days after shot: > Total T: 1728 > %Free T: 3.32 > Free T: 574.0 > Estradiol: 48 > > My levels 2 days after the shot seem very high to me. > I've also been getting bad acne breakouts on my back > and chest - these usually start 1 to 2 days after a > shot and last for several days. They are often very > sore and painful. I notice that I usually feel pretty > good the couple days before a shot, which makes sense > based on the test results - it seems to be like I'm in > an optimal range then (upper part of normal for > testosterone, and right in the middle of the range for > estradiol). > > I am currently on 200mg every 10 days. What would you > think about a lower dose more frequently, say 100 or > 150mg every 7 days? > > Thanks, > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 IF you are doing 200mg every 10days, that is 20mg of T a day, this is really quite high a dose, in fact too high imho, cut it down to 100mg every 7-8 days or so and see how the symptoms change norton ------------------------------------------------------------- > --- In , " mdw1000 " <mdw1000@y...> wrote: > > > > Hey group, > > > > Finally got the " after the shot " test results from a few weeks back. > > Not sure if the problem was the lab or the doc's office, but I've got > > them now. Just wanted to get your input > > > > Here are the ranges... > > > > Total T 260-1000 ng/dL > > %Free T 1.0-2.7% > > Free T 50-210 pg/mL > > Estradiol 10-50 pg/mL > > > > 1 day before shot: > > Total T: 666 > > %Free T: 3.07 > > Free T: 204.5 > > Estradiol: 33 > > > > 2 days after shot: > > Total T: 1728 > > %Free T: 3.32 > > Free T: 574.0 > > Estradiol: 48 > > > > My levels 2 days after the shot seem very high to me. > > I've also been getting bad acne breakouts on my back > > and chest - these usually start 1 to 2 days after a > > shot and last for several days. They are often very > > sore and painful. I notice that I usually feel pretty > > good the couple days before a shot, which makes sense > > based on the test results - it seems to be like I'm in > > an optimal range then (upper part of normal for > > testosterone, and right in the middle of the range for > > estradiol). > > > > I am currently on 200mg every 10 days. What would you > > think about a lower dose more frequently, say 100 or > > 150mg every 7 days? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:24:20 -0000, you wrote: > > >Hey group, > >Finally got the " after the shot " test results from a few weeks back. >Not sure if the problem was the lab or the doc's office, but I've got >them now. Just wanted to get your input > >Here are the ranges... > >Total T 260-1000 ng/dL >%Free T 1.0-2.7% >Free T 50-210 pg/mL >Estradiol 10-50 pg/mL > >1 day before shot: >Total T: 666 >%Free T: 3.07 >Free T: 204.5 >Estradiol: 33 > >2 days after shot: >Total T: 1728 >%Free T: 3.32 >Free T: 574.0 >Estradiol: 48 > >My levels 2 days after the shot seem very high to me. >I've also been getting bad acne breakouts on my back >and chest - these usually start 1 to 2 days after a >shot and last for several days. They are often very >sore and painful. I notice that I usually feel pretty >good the couple days before a shot, which makes sense >based on the test results - it seems to be like I'm in >an optimal range then (upper part of normal for >testosterone, and right in the middle of the range for >estradiol). > >I am currently on 200mg every 10 days. What would you >think about a lower dose more frequently, say 100 or >150mg every 7 days? Those super high levels will likely cause you trouble. You'll also roller coaster up and down. You want a stable steady dose. I find 750 to be pretty good. As someone else suggested smaller doses more frequently will provide the stability without the high surges. The surges also raise E2 faster. Yours is already high at 48. I would bet you're not feeling the " lift " of T like you did when you first started. E2 out competes T for many binding sites and can eliminate many of the beneficial effects of TRT. It may be enough to drop your T levels to get E2 in check. (E2 is a metabolism product of T.) But keep an eye on it. If it gets high experiment with DIM to find the right level for you. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Thanks for the input, guys! I see my GP on Monday. Hopefully he will be ok with me changing. I'm going to tell him the current dose is unacceptable. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Good news! Doc agreed to let me try 100mg every 7 days. Thanks for the help, as usual, guys! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Well, the Endo's office never called me so I went to the hospital to retrieve my lab work. Results follow - ranges not given. Units not given either, I'll have to talk to Hospital Administration again, I guess. I swear, it's like pushing a photon around to get people to do their job. estradiol 20.0 FSH 5.3 LH 2.7 Testo 212*L Free Test 8.4 %Free 0.4 Ferritin 202.4 At any rate, in our last thrilling chapter, my endo had come to the conclusion that I'm fat (talk about stating the obvious, I'm 5'4 " and 190 lbs) and excessive estradiol was driving my T low. These lab results are before I started taking 1mg Arimidex 2x daily. My question is, do you think it'll kill me to keep taking it for the whole 10 days? Thanks Everybody, Louis -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 NO I don't think it will kill you but you T levels are very low and high E2 I don't feel will make you go that low. 20 on you E2 look ok to me but you don't have the range my range is <20 to 56 if I go under 20 for to long I feel real bad. If you start to feel bad stop taking the Arimidex. Phil Louis Nardozi <lnardozi@...> wrote: Well, the Endo's office never called me so I went to the hospital to retrieve my lab work. Results follow - ranges not given. Units not given either, I'll have to talk to Hospital Administration again, I guess. I swear, it's like pushing a photon around to get people to do their job. estradiol 20.0 FSH 5.3 LH 2.7 Testo 212*L Free Test 8.4 %Free 0.4 Ferritin 202.4 At any rate, in our last thrilling chapter, my endo had come to the conclusion that I'm fat (talk about stating the obvious, I'm 5'4 " and 190 lbs) and excessive estradiol was driving my T low. These lab results are before I started taking 1mg Arimidex 2x daily. My question is, do you think it'll kill me to keep taking it for the whole 10 days? Thanks Everybody, Louis -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Pushing a photon around... I like that. That sums it up exactly sometimes. Took me 3 months to get my last set of test results. Anyway, it all depends on the units of measurement, range, etc. But 20 doesn't seem too high to me. On the last test I had, at the end of a shot cycle my estradiol was 33 on a range of 10 to 50. Seems like somewhere around 30 is an optimal range for most people from what I've read here. 20 seems a bit low. My best guess, assuming your ranges are like mine, is that your body isn't making much T, so your estradiol is lower as well since there isn't a lot of T to convert to E2. I think that is what happened in my case. My T was in the 100s and estradiol was <32 before starting effective TRT. I was fat because my T was low, not the other way around. Once I started shots on an effective schedule, the fat just dropped off without me doing much different. But to be blunt I don't know much about this topic. I would be hesitant about starting armidex until I knew the ranges for sure. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:28:52 -0500, you wrote: >Well, the Endo's office never called me so I went to the hospital to >retrieve my lab work. Results follow - ranges not given. Units not given >either, I'll have to talk to Hospital Administration again, I guess. I >swear, it's like pushing a photon around to get people to do their job. > >estradiol 20.0 >FSH 5.3 >LH 2.7 >Testo 212*L >Free Test 8.4 >%Free 0.4 >Ferritin 202.4 > >At any rate, in our last thrilling chapter, my endo had come to the >conclusion that I'm fat (talk about stating the obvious, I'm 5'4 " and >190 lbs) and excessive estradiol was driving my T low. These lab results >are before I started taking 1mg Arimidex 2x daily. My question is, do >you think it'll kill me to keep taking it for the whole 10 days? You're E2 was no where near high. You should stop. If it goes down much at all you will feel even worse. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:28:52 -0500, you wrote: > >Well, the Endo's office never called me so I went to the hospital to >retrieve my lab work. Results follow - ranges not given. Units not given >either, I'll have to talk to Hospital Administration again, I guess. I >swear, it's like pushing a photon around to get people to do their job. > >estradiol 20.0 >FSH 5.3 >LH 2.7 >Testo 212*L >Free Test 8.4 >%Free 0.4 >Ferritin 202.4 > >At any rate, in our last thrilling chapter, my endo had come to the >conclusion that I'm fat (talk about stating the obvious, I'm 5'4 " and >190 lbs) and excessive estradiol was driving my T low. These lab results >are before I started taking 1mg Arimidex 2x daily. My question is, do >you think it'll kill me to keep taking it for the whole 10 days? > >Thanks Everybody, > >Louis With these numbers it would seem you are primary hypogondadic. The testes have stopped working. But you need one more test to be sure. Prolactin. High prolactin can depress T levels. Your doctor should absolutely order this test. Not to do so would be malpractice. And don't take the Arimidex your levels are already low. Ideal is 25 to 35. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 > Well, the Endo's office never called me so I went to the hospital to > retrieve my lab work. Results follow - ranges not given. Units not given > either, I'll have to talk to Hospital Administration again, I guess. I > swear, it's like pushing a photon around to get people to do their job. > > estradiol 20.0 > FSH 5.3 > LH 2.7 > Testo 212*L > Free Test 8.4 > %Free 0.4 > Ferritin 202.4 > > At any rate, in our last thrilling chapter, my endo had come to the > conclusion that I'm fat (talk about stating the obvious, I'm 5'4 " and > 190 lbs) and excessive estradiol was driving my T low. If that was true, shouldn't your LH and FSH be low? Of course we can't make much of an assessment without the range but the figures look too high for that. > These lab results > are before I started taking 1mg Arimidex 2x daily. My question is, do > you think it'll kill me to keep taking it for the whole 10 days? > > It won't kill you but it might be unpleasant. If you are going to continue under this guy's care, I'd play along if I could stand it. I'll be interested to learn how the results are interpreted. If your testosterone doesn't budge, that would indicate primary hypogonadism. Other than that I don't know the result will mean. If you do respond to the treatment and eugonadal men respond to it, what will the result mean? Is there an implicit suggestion that you can lose enough bodyfat to lessen estradiol as much as 2mg/day of arimidex? Good luck Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Retro, Wouldn't the low LH suggest he's secondary? As I understand things LH is usually high with primary hypogonadism. Bruce > With these numbers it would seem you are primary hypogondadic.... > > > > >Well, the Endo's office never called me so I went to the hospital to > >retrieve my lab work. Results follow - ranges not given. Units not given > >either, I'll have to talk to Hospital Administration again, I guess. I > >swear, it's like pushing a photon around to get people to do their job. > > > >estradiol 20.0 > >FSH 5.3 > >LH 2.7 > >Testo 212*L > >Free Test 8.4 > >%Free 0.4 > >Ferritin 202.4 > > > >At any rate, in our last thrilling chapter, my endo had come to the > >conclusion that I'm fat (talk about stating the obvious, I'm 5'4 " and > >190 lbs) and excessive estradiol was driving my T low. These lab results > >are before I started taking 1mg Arimidex 2x daily. My question is, do > >you think it'll kill me to keep taking it for the whole 10 days? > > > >Thanks Everybody, > > > >Louis > > > With these numbers it would seem you are primary hypogondadic. The > testes have stopped working. But you need one more test to be sure. > Prolactin. High prolactin can depress T levels. > > Your doctor should absolutely order this test. Not to do so would be > malpractice. > > And don't take the Arimidex your levels are already low. Ideal is 25 > to 35. > > - - - - > Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Hi, The E2 test certainly blows your doc's " excessive estradiol was driving my T low " theory right out of the water. I think he made a blunder in assuming your E2 was high, and prescribing Arimidex in advance of seeing test results. Weight certainly doesn't help hypogonadism, but his assumption that E2 was high because of weight is proven wrong. Normally I avoid telling people to change/adjust/stop medications, those instructions should come from a doc. In this case you have a doc who IMO started the wrong treatment with the wrong assumption without waiting inadequate information, who doesn't return phone calls, correct? If it were me, I'd stop the Arimidex. IMO your " low normal " E2 is low enough that reducing it further will not increase T. It won't kill you, but you'll probably feel somewhat worse. Here's a thought: Leave a message with the doc that you're stopping the Arimidex unless he calls :-> Bruce > Well, the Endo's office never called me so I went to the hospital to > retrieve my lab work. Results follow - ranges not given. Units not given > either, I'll have to talk to Hospital Administration again, I guess. I > swear, it's like pushing a photon around to get people to do their job. > > estradiol 20.0 > FSH 5.3 > LH 2.7 > Testo 212*L > Free Test 8.4 > %Free 0.4 > Ferritin 202.4 > > At any rate, in our last thrilling chapter, my endo had come to the > conclusion that I'm fat (talk about stating the obvious, I'm 5'4 " and > 190 lbs) and excessive estradiol was driving my T low. These lab results > are before I started taking 1mg Arimidex 2x daily. My question is, do > you think it'll kill me to keep taking it for the whole 10 days? > > Thanks Everybody, > > Louis > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 LH could be a bit low as well. It seems like it might be low in the range. The ranges differ so much. One lab I went to had their range as 1 to 10, another 1 to 18. My endo indicated that it was secondary even though I was at the very bottom of the lab range. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:41:11 -0000, you wrote: > > >Retro, > >Wouldn't the low LH suggest he's secondary? As I understand things LH is usually high with >primary hypogonadism. I guess it is on the lower side. We'd need to see the range. most are about 2 to 5 if I remember right. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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