Test Results

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:06:31 -0000, you wrote:

>

>

>Hi,

>

>The E2 test certainly blows your doc's " excessive estradiol was driving my T

low " theory

>right out of the water. I think he made a blunder in assuming your E2 was high,

and

>prescribing Arimidex in advance of seeing test results. Weight certainly

doesn't help

>hypogonadism, but his assumption that E2 was high because of weight is proven

wrong.

>

>Normally I avoid telling people to change/adjust/stop medications, those

instructions

>should come from a doc. In this case you have a doc who IMO started the wrong

treatment

>with the wrong assumption without waiting inadequate information, who doesn't

return

>phone calls, correct? If it were me, I'd stop the Arimidex. IMO your " low

normal " E2 is low

>enough that reducing it further will not increase T. It won't kill you, but

you'll probably feel

>somewhat worse.

>

>Here's a thought: Leave a message with the doc that you're stopping the

Arimidex unless

>he calls :->

I agree totally. That said, the fact he is aware of this connection

puts him ahead of most.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Dan-

Glad it's going better for you. Still averse to shots, ehh? :-). I

guess I would titrate based on how your symptoms are under control

rather than how your total T level is, albeit 280 is still low.

Played some volleyball with the guys last week and was feeling

grateful afterwords that I didn't feel frail or worried about pulling

my back like I used to, so I know I am still improving.

Regards,

Dano

> I finally got my test results! After 3 months of Androgel 5g/day my

> PSA: 0.7 (0.0-4.0) Total T: 280 (241-827) E2: 33 (0-53) Hematocrit: 43

> (40-53).

>

> All looks well except the T is still low. I've increased the dosage

> to 7.5g/day. The strange thing is that even though the T is low I

> still feel much better than I did before. I suppose it's possible the

> test was wrong or that it was just a bad day and my levels dropped

> temporarily. Anyway, I'll be on the new dosage for another 3 months

> (I'm using the pump instead of the packets) and after that I'm

> thinking of switching to Testim to see if it absorbs any better. A

> little worried that it may smell bad or be more sticky but everyone

> seems to think it works better so maybe its worth giving a try. Also,

> I'm wondering if E2 being 33 is a little high? I may try out the

> Indoplex DIM and see if it makes any difference. -Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan your not getting the T from the androgel shit 280 and you doing 5 grams

you need to get on something that works better. Testim will not help if your

skin does not let the gel into you blood. If I were you I would not go though

this for 3 more months. 33 is not bad leave it alone. Are you doing

Zinc/Copper this helps keep E2 down 50 mgs. of Zinc to 2 mgs. of Copper

everyday.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Phil

" opus1.rm " <no_reply > wrote:

I finally got my test results! After 3 months of Androgel 5g/day my

PSA: 0.7 (0.0-4.0) Total T: 280 (241-827) E2: 33 (0-53) Hematocrit: 43

(40-53).

All looks well except the T is still low. I've increased the dosage

to 7.5g/day. The strange thing is that even though the T is low I

still feel much better than I did before. I suppose it's possible the

test was wrong or that it was just a bad day and my levels dropped

temporarily. Anyway, I'll be on the new dosage for another 3 months

(I'm using the pump instead of the packets) and after that I'm

thinking of switching to Testim to see if it absorbs any better. A

little worried that it may smell bad or be more sticky but everyone

seems to think it works better so maybe its worth giving a try. Also,

I'm wondering if E2 being 33 is a little high? I may try out the

Indoplex DIM and see if it makes any difference. -Dan

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Dano

Great to hear you're improving! And from a previous post of

yours: " I'm finally starting to remember what it feels like to be

horny. " Congrats on that for sure! I never had a big problem with

that, I've been horny all along more or less. I'm still improving

too, guess it takes time, but I do feel stronger than I have for a

long time and the brain fog isn't near what it used to be. And, yes,

I'm still averse to shots. -Dan

> > I finally got my test results! After 3 months of Androgel

5g/day my

> > PSA: 0.7 (0.0-4.0) Total T: 280 (241-827) E2: 33 (0-53)

Hematocrit: 43

> > (40-53).

> >

> > All looks well except the T is still low. I've increased the

dosage

> > to 7.5g/day. The strange thing is that even though the T is low

I

> > still feel much better than I did before. I suppose it's

possible the

> > test was wrong or that it was just a bad day and my levels

dropped

> > temporarily. Anyway, I'll be on the new dosage for another 3

months

> > (I'm using the pump instead of the packets) and after that I'm

> > thinking of switching to Testim to see if it absorbs any

better. A

> > little worried that it may smell bad or be more sticky but

everyone

> > seems to think it works better so maybe its worth giving a try.

Also,

> > I'm wondering if E2 being 33 is a little high? I may try out

the

> > Indoplex DIM and see if it makes any difference. -Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil

I'm not taking any supplements right now. I was waiting to see what

the results were first. I do plan to start on the zinc/copper. Not

sure about the DIM yet, I like to do one thing at a time so I know

what is causing the change. Since I already have the stuff, I'm

willing to go with the 7.5 g/day for 3 months to see if it does any

better, but then my symptoms have not been so severe as to make it

unbearable. For me, the shots would be the unbearable thing, but

who knows what the future holds. I can tell a difference with the

increased dosage, so something must be getting through my thick

skin! -Dan

> I finally got my test results! After 3 months of Androgel 5g/day

my

> PSA: 0.7 (0.0-4.0) Total T: 280 (241-827) E2: 33 (0-53)

Hematocrit: 43

> (40-53).

>

> All looks well except the T is still low. I've increased the

dosage

> to 7.5g/day. The strange thing is that even though the T is low I

> still feel much better than I did before. I suppose it's possible

the

> test was wrong or that it was just a bad day and my levels dropped

> temporarily. Anyway, I'll be on the new dosage for another 3

months

> (I'm using the pump instead of the packets) and after that I'm

> thinking of switching to Testim to see if it absorbs any better.

A

> little worried that it may smell bad or be more sticky but

everyone

> seems to think it works better so maybe its worth giving a try.

Also,

> I'm wondering if E2 being 33 is a little high? I may try out the

> Indoplex DIM and see if it makes any difference. -Dan

>

[Guest guest]

It sounds like the Dim is working great for you! After the second

month of 5g/day AG, I noticed a lack of the morning wood, but since

increasing to 7.5g/day it has came back. This may be temporary like

it was when I first started the AG, but I'm hoping it will be

permanent. I was considering taking DIM to see if it had an effect

on the lack of morning wood (don't need it right now). Phil, since

my E2 is 33 (0-53) you said not to take the DIM. I'm not sure

exactly what the number should be to stay in that window of optimum

levels, obviously it is different for everyone since Gene keeps his

much lower. I plan to wait and see if the morning wood goes away

and if so, try the DIM for awhile. BTW, congrats on your health!

Sounds like you are finally getting to a point where life is good.

The HCG seems to be helping you out a great deal. Not sure if I

could get my doc to approve that one and I don't know if my

insurance would cover it either (they don't cover fertilty). For

that matter, I don't know that I really need it either since my

testis haven't shrunk yet. Anyway, it's great to hear your

progress, keep us posted! -Dan

> > I finally got my test results! After 3 months of Androgel

5g/day

> my

> > PSA: 0.7 (0.0-4.0) Total T: 280 (241-827) E2: 33 (0-53)

> Hematocrit: 43

> > (40-53).

> >

> > All looks well except the T is still low. I've increased the

> dosage

> > to 7.5g/day. The strange thing is that even though the T is low

I

> > still feel much better than I did before. I suppose it's

possible

> the

> > test was wrong or that it was just a bad day and my levels

dropped

> > temporarily. Anyway, I'll be on the new dosage for another 3

> months

> > (I'm using the pump instead of the packets) and after that I'm

> > thinking of switching to Testim to see if it absorbs any

better.

> A

> > little worried that it may smell bad or be more sticky but

> everyone

> > seems to think it works better so maybe its worth giving a try.

> Also,

> > I'm wondering if E2 being 33 is a little high? I may try out

the

> > Indoplex DIM and see if it makes any difference. -Dan

> >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Thanks for the link. According to the info there: " Estrogen

(measured as estradiol) should be in the mid- to lower-normal range.

If estradiol levels are in the upper one-third of the normal

reference range, or above the normal reference range, this excessive

level of estrogen should be reduced. " and " If estradiol levels are

high (above 30)... " . This tells me that since my level is 33, I may

have an E2 problem. -Dan

> > > I finally got my test results! After 3 months of Androgel

> 5g/day

> > my

> > > PSA: 0.7 (0.0-4.0) Total T: 280 (241-827) E2: 33 (0-53)

> > Hematocrit: 43

> > > (40-53).

> > >

> > > All looks well except the T is still low. I've increased the

> > dosage

> > > to 7.5g/day. The strange thing is that even though the T is

low

> I

> > > still feel much better than I did before. I suppose it's

> possible

> > the

> > > test was wrong or that it was just a bad day and my levels

> dropped

> > > temporarily. Anyway, I'll be on the new dosage for another 3

> > months

> > > (I'm using the pump instead of the packets) and after that I'm

> > > thinking of switching to Testim to see if it absorbs any

> better.

> > A

> > > little worried that it may smell bad or be more sticky but

> > everyone

> > > seems to think it works better so maybe its worth giving a

try.

> > Also,

> > > I'm wondering if E2 being 33 is a little high? I may try out

> the

> > > Indoplex DIM and see if it makes any difference. -Dan

> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes it could but 33 is not that bad if you take something to get it down it will

go down fast so If you try Indolpex/DIM start with one half a pill then if your

morning wood starts keep taking it until it stops the stop the DIM until the

wood comes back then that day go back on it but take less keep doing this untill

you find the right dose.

Phil

" opus1.rm " <no_reply > wrote:

Phil,

Thanks for the link. According to the info there: " Estrogen

(measured as estradiol) should be in the mid- to lower-normal range.

If estradiol levels are in the upper one-third of the normal

reference range, or above the normal reference range, this excessive

level of estrogen should be reduced. " and " If estradiol levels are

high (above 30)... " . This tells me that since my level is 33, I may

have an E2 problem. -Dan

> > > I finally got my test results! After 3 months of Androgel

> 5g/day

> > my

> > > PSA: 0.7 (0.0-4.0) Total T: 280 (241-827) E2: 33 (0-53)

> > Hematocrit: 43

> > > (40-53).

> > >

> > > All looks well except the T is still low. I've increased the

> > dosage

> > > to 7.5g/day. The strange thing is that even though the T is

low

> I

> > > still feel much better than I did before. I suppose it's

> possible

> > the

> > > test was wrong or that it was just a bad day and my levels

> dropped

> > > temporarily. Anyway, I'll be on the new dosage for another 3

> > months

> > > (I'm using the pump instead of the packets) and after that I'm

> > > thinking of switching to Testim to see if it absorbs any

> better.

> > A

> > > little worried that it may smell bad or be more sticky but

> > everyone

> > > seems to think it works better so maybe its worth giving a

try.

> > Also,

> > > I'm wondering if E2 being 33 is a little high? I may try out

> the

> > > Indoplex DIM and see if it makes any difference. -Dan

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well, aside from PSA test, would run Total T (testosterone), Free T,

Total E (estrogen), and E2 (estradiol).... might want to consider

also DHT, DHEA, and Progesterone....

Just my thoughts.

Larry

Of course if you didn't have those tests run before AndroGel, how are

you going to compare to know what AG is doing for you???

> I am new to this. I have hypogonadism and have been given androgel by

> my endocrinologist as my pituitary gland and thyoid no longer work

> (Resulted from Haemochromotosis).

>

> What test results should I be asking for the next time I visit? I am

> having blood tests every week as I have phlebotomy every week as part

> of the treatment for haemochromotosis, so I'm sure I could ask the

> phlebotomy nurse to run the tests.

>

> I have noticed a change in my build and that I am very slowly becoming

> more hairy. Starting to feel more desire for sex as well.

>

> All I need to know is what particular tests to ask for to show what the

> androgel is actually doing for me.

[Guest guest]

What dosage of androgel have you been prescribed? I started out with

a prescription for 2.5 grams and not much in raising the T levels or

imimproving the negative sideaffects of low t levels. Finally, found

a physician that would prescribe 10 grams and now we are working on

lowering the dosage to 7.5 grams. You have to educate yourself and

make sure to ask questions and let the doctor know that you are

educating yourself and the results you are wanting and need to have to

improve your life. I'm searching for a physician in KC that will work

with me a prescibe HCG with androgel. Frustrated as I do not feel I

have achieved of goal of finding a physician that is will to work with

me to achieve my goal of raising my t levels to normal or high normal

so that the negative side affects are deminished and possible

eliminated. Best of luck in your treatment and most of all educate

yourself and let the physician know.

Doug

> I am new to this. I have hypogonadism and have been given androgel

by

> my endocrinologist as my pituitary gland and thyoid no longer work

> (Resulted from Haemochromotosis).

>

> What test results should I be asking for the next time I visit? I am

> having blood tests every week as I have phlebotomy every week as

part

> of the treatment for haemochromotosis, so I'm sure I could ask the

> phlebotomy nurse to run the tests.

>

> I have noticed a change in my build and that I am very slowly

becoming

> more hairy. Starting to feel more desire for sex as well.

>

> All I need to know is what particular tests to ask for to show what

the

> androgel is actually doing for me.

[Guest guest]

>

She might have meant Bioavailable. What are the ranges for your labs?

Just got off the phone with my doctor's office. Highly

> unsatisfactory. I'm using 12.5 Androgel daily. (That's two 5s and

one

> 2.5) I'm told that my total T is 157, Free 37.4, and then I was

given

> number that reflect the " percentage " 2.38. When I asked " The

> percentage of what? " the girl in the office said, " I don't know "

>

> I'm counting the days till my appointment with the new doctor.

>

> Anyone have any idea what she might have meant by " the percentage " ?

> It's not free to total, that would be 4.19.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm no expert but that seems like a lot of Androgel for only having

a T of 157? Are you sure you applying it correctly? You do know it

goes under your clothes right? Hehehe, just kidding.

From what I hear sometimes you have to figure out which delivery

type works best for you. Some people do well on Androgel while

others get better results from Testim, patches or injections. You

may want to try another delivery type as results are very

individualized. All I can say if 157 are your numbers after being

on Androgel then that product doesn't seem to be working for you.

> Just got off the phone with my doctor's office. Highly

> unsatisfactory. I'm using 12.5 Androgel daily. (That's two 5s and

one

> 2.5) I'm told that my total T is 157, Free 37.4, and then I was

given

> number that reflect the " percentage " 2.38. When I asked " The

> percentage of what? " the girl in the office said, " I don't know "

>

> I'm counting the days till my appointment with the new doctor.

>

> Anyone have any idea what she might have meant by " the

percentage " ?

> It's not free to total, that would be 4.19.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wouldn't bioavailable be around 40-60%?

> >

> She might have meant Bioavailable. What are the ranges for your

labs?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Just got off the phone with my doctor's office. Highly

> > unsatisfactory. I'm using 12.5 Androgel daily. (That's two 5s

and

> one

> > 2.5) I'm told that my total T is 157, Free 37.4, and then I was

> given

> > number that reflect the " percentage " 2.38. When I asked " The

> > percentage of what? " the girl in the office said, " I don't

know "

> >

> > I'm counting the days till my appointment with the new doctor.

> >

> > Anyone have any idea what she might have meant by " the

percentage " ?

> > It's not free to total, that would be 4.19.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> > Just got off the phone with my doctor's office. Highly

> > unsatisfactory. I'm using 12.5 Androgel daily. (That's two 5s

and

> one

> > 2.5) I'm told that my total T is 157, Free 37.4, and then I was

> given

> > number that reflect the " percentage " 2.38. When I asked " The

> > percentage of what? " the girl in the office said, " I don't

know "

> >

> > I'm counting the days till my appointment with the new doctor.

> >

> > Anyone have any idea what she might have meant by " the

> percentage " ?

> > It's not free to total, that would be 4.19.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

That damned doctor is delegating the responsibility of giving out test results

to a person who doesn't know what they mean. I would be in that office

screaming my bloody head off. That jackass doesn't deserve the time of day.

Oh, by the way, my wife is a Physical Therapist; I have a cousin who is a

Radiologist; I have two good friends from College -- One is an ER Physician and

the other is a Surgical Oncologist. I've dealt a little bit with people in the

medical field and few of them have impressed me.

Go tell that so called doctor where to shove it.

Seth

taliesin1958 <john530@...> wrote:

Just got off the phone with my doctor's office. Highly

unsatisfactory. I'm using 12.5 Androgel daily. (That's two 5s and one

2.5) I'm told that my total T is 157, Free 37.4, and then I was given

number that reflect the " percentage " 2.38. When I asked " The

percentage of what? " the girl in the office said, " I don't know "

I'm counting the days till my appointment with the new doctor.

Anyone have any idea what she might have meant by " the percentage " ?

It's not free to total, that would be 4.19.

[Guest guest]

,

Perhaps you don't absorb the skin preperations well? I had that

problem myself with both androgel and androderm.

Mark

[Guest guest]

<snip>

>

> Funny how results vary so wildly from one man to another. I have a

> friend who switched from injections to Androgel and his T levels

> plummeted, no matter how high the concentration. He had to accept

> that it his fate to inject.

>

> I, on the other hand, have been on 5 mg of Androgel for the last 5

> years, and my T levels are consistently very high on my annual

> tests. The last time I was tested I had been on an Androgel

> vacation for two days, yet I had virtually the same amount of T in

> my blood as reported on the previous test.

>

> What do I have that my friend doesn't? More better androgen

> receptors? Who knows?

<Snip>

Where do you apply the gel?

Different parts of the body are more sensitive to the gel.

[Guest guest]

Rubeola is measles, so that's probably titers. Can't help any with others.

S S

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ANyone know what any of these mean?  Austin is GF if it makes a difference.<BR>

Tissue Transglutaminasl<BR>

Ab, IgG   <3<BR>

Ab, IgA   <3<BR>

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Z-anti-endomysial AB IGA<BR>

tTG) Ab IgA :   <3<BR>

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Immunoglobulons Qantitative<BR>

               IgG :   902<BR>

               IgA :   134<BR>

               IgM :   83<BR>

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Rubeola AB (IGG)   3.33  (Greater the or equal to 1.10 = Positive)<BR>

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Thanks in Advance.<BR>

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in Oceanside, CA <BR>

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~Fighting for one child, in hopes it helps another child.~ Primer<BR>

~Doing the best I can with the hand I was dealt~<BR>

<BR>

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich<BR>

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[Guest guest]

i have one piece- will put below where it applies on this message...

Primer <sprimer1@y...> wrote:

> ANyone know what any of these mean? Austin is GF if it makes a

difference.

> Tissue Transglutaminasl

> Ab, IgG <3

> Ab, IgA <3

>

> Z-anti-endomysial AB IGA

> tTG) Ab IgA : <3

less than 1.5 was our reference range for negative BUT our test was

listed as endomysial iga antibody " IFA " <1.5 so it may be a

slightly different test.

> Immunoglobulons Qantitative

> IgG : 902

> IgA : 134

> IgM : 83

>

> immunoglobulins reference ranges

igg 468-1250

iga 22-118

igm 54-209

so to summarize,igg and igm appear within normal ranges,iga is a

little elevated . i split out the igg into igg-1 igg-2 igg-3 and igg-4

to further look at hidden food allergies and that is where this test

helped us. we did it before going gfcf and will repeat it one day. ige

is an immediate allergic response. igg and iga are used to test for

celiac type problems the GF diet could have made these numbers normal

if they were not before. celliacs take this test to see that they are

staying in normal range on the diet and expect normal ranges if

compliant with diet- meaning no further damage is being done. here is

the text book interpretation- " IGA endomysial antibody is present in

approximately 70% of dematitis hepatiformis(celliac related skin

problem) and nearly 100% of celiac diet patients not on gluten free

diets. Decreasing antibody titers reflect adherence to a gluten free

diet. " hope that helps...teresa c

[Guest guest]

> Rubeola AB (IGG) 3.33 (Greater the or equal to 1.10 = Positive)

Probably a good candidate for high dose vitamin A protocol

http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana that is what I was thinking too!!!!

danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

> Rubeola AB (IGG) 3.33 (Greater the or equal to 1.10 = Positive)

Probably a good candidate for high dose vitamin A protocol

http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

Dana

in Oceanside, CA

~Fighting for one child, in hopes it helps another child.~ Primer

~Doing the best I can with the hand I was dealt~

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

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[Guest guest]

the GF diet could have made these numbers normal

Thanks, that is what I had thought. We did not test before (I did not realize

we should have) and the day we got the dx we went GFCF and have not looked back.

With the limited infractions we have had, I won't put him back on Gluten to find

out if we do test positive for celiacs, its just not worth it!!!!!

in Oceanside, CA

~Fighting for one child, in hopes it helps another child.~ Primer

~Doing the best I can with the hand I was dealt~

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

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[Guest guest]

Susie,

I have also heard that some people's skin softens at different intervals.

My doc, who is really strange because each appointment he'll spend 20-30

minutes just talking to me, tells me about about some of his patients who

improve in some area w/o meds and for no apparent reason. Last month he

told me about a guy who was rushed to the hospital because the sclero in his

lungs had left him gasping for breath. Three months later he's off a

ventilator and walking up and down his stairs. Virtually no meds. He says

for some it is like clockwork, for others there is a variability that leaves

him w/o an explanation.

I suppose that the mino working in your case is at best a hunch???? Be nice

if someone had some stats that would offer some clue into a reasonable

success rate. W/o real data it is no wonder that some docs do not look

favorably upon the AP. And if the disease is variable to begin with, how

could they possibly gauge the success of the treatment?

Jeff

----Original Message Follows----

From: " " <mitchell.ok@...>

rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic test results

Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:42:09 -0000

Hi guys, Susie here. First of all, the doc was somewhat shocked at how

much my skin has softened and was very pleased. I know that with some

people who have scleroderma, this happens. I feel very lucky and I

truly believe the mino helped alot.

Okay....questions on some of the results of lab work. Please tell me

what Alk phosphatase, AST, ALT (under the metabolic comp). Also, what

does WBC (hematology, CBC) mean? All of these were slightly high and

the doc said she would monitor this. The lymphocytes were in the low

range. I have absolutely no idea what these mean.

[Guest guest]

Rick go to Dr. 's site and read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this he has the

tests and what they are.

www.allthingsmale.com

Phil

rick <pricksau@...> wrote:

Hello All,

Here are my test results before I started the gel,

testosterone 19.2 (10 - 35)

shbg 31 (10-50)

free T 398 (225-725)

DHEA 1.5 (2.4 - 11.6)

FSH 16 U/L (<9)

LH 5 U/L (<11)

Oestradiol 100 pmol/L (<190)

Progesterone 1 nmol/L

Prolactin 86 mU/L (< 330 )

Could some1 please explain to me exactly what each one is, except for

testosterone.

Thanks Rick

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how old are you? was this blood work taken while you were on your cypionate

injections? as for E2...i think the test will always use the number and gear it

towards both men and women. i think u need to specify taking E2 for men but the

range will always be given for both men and women...as does T tests.

escher_0072001 <no_reply > wrote: Ok.. I got my final labs back

from my doc.. my doc is moving so I have

to go hunting. Anyway, here are my labs.. I thought my estradiol

seemd high, but I see on the test it obviously wasnt geared towards

males, as it says 'female'. My e ws 42, and my tesosterone was 761

(range 400-1080). Free test was 197 (r 47-244) what do you guys

think? I've been having some erection issues the last few weeks. I'm

taking cypionate injections.