Test Results

[Guest guest]

There are many for me it was the loss of my sex life for over 10 yrs. I stated

on TRT at age 40 I was suffering from bad fatigue so bad I could not work.

Before starting on TRT I had no problems with sex. But as I was on the TRT

after about 10 yrs. I started having bad ED, problems reaching an orgasm, panic

attacks, sore prostate with slow voiding, bladder infections like 7 a yr., panic

attacks, brain fog and bad rashs on the back of my legs and under my arms. I

had sore and hard nipples, felt very hot and would sweat a lot. All of this

gone when I got my E2 down.

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

grippermania <gripperm@...> wrote:

what is the effects of a high E2?

> > Now my T levels are well high enough but I am still tired

> and have the

> > other issues. The sheet was marked for them to test my E2 but for

> > some reason they did not. I give up

> >

> > Testosterone Total 829 Range 250-1100

> >

> > Test Free Percent 3.55H Range 1-3.10

> >

> > Free Test 294.3H Range 35.0-155.0

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> you see. "

> > Phil

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

I have not been to the doc yet to talk about the ppi and

am not doing anything except watching my diet and i take calcium for

my thyroid so that kind put in check not make any more acid that is

all and as my testosterone I am going to see a special doc who does

all day long just that in april 25 keep my finger cross will address

all the E2 problem too. thanks Jack

In , betaine_hcl <no_reply@...> wrote:

>

> As I recall you are on Nexium or some other

> PPI med. These meds slow the metabolization of

> of estradiol. This may account for high E2 levels.

> The PPI meds cause me to be in fog. When I was on

> them it got really hard to clear headed especially

> in the first several hours after awaking. The elevated

> E2 is telling the HPT axis to hold off on making more

> T. Further, I suspect PPI meds are direct neurotoxins

> over the long term.

>

> What are you doing to get off of the PPI meds?

>

> It seems you are at or below the threshold levels

> of T for practical potency and lidido. And

> are just at the final threshold of having morning wood.

> Each requires a different level of T to kick in

> and be fully functional. Sometimes it is hard to

> tell what you are saying.

>

>

>

> > > > > Now my T levels are well high enough but I am still tired

> > > > and have the

> > > > > other issues. The sheet was marked for them to test my E2

but

> for

> > > > > some reason they did not. I give up

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone Total 829 Range 250-1100

> > > > >

> > > > > Test Free Percent 3.55H Range 1-3.10

> > > > >

> > > > > Free Test 294.3H Range 35.0-155.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half

> of what

> > > > you see. "

> > > > > Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun.

> > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to

find

> > > > flight and hotel bargains.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Roy yes Indolplex/DIM worked for me but at the time my levels were to low and

I did not feel all that great. Going to shots and adding HCG my E2 went higher

but my T levels were way up and I felt great. Problem was I can't take more

then one tablet of the Indolplex/DIM makes me sick. All the younger guys should

try Indolplex/DIM first to get there E2 down. Us older guys have more E2 then

they do.

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Hi Phil,

I was wondering why you tell guys to get Indolples/DIM because

you know it workd. Why did you switch to Armidex? Just wondering.

My doctor put me on that a long time ago when I complained that

my Testosterone wasn't working any more ,it helped awhile then

stopped When I heard you talk about Arimidex I went to it as you

know and I have been fine since then. I have morning erections

yet with the cialis too. I can get it up when I want to. Why

would anyone want to to to DIM in this case. I haven't had a

blood test for many weeks now and still going strong. Take.25mg

Arimides ever 9 days and that seems to keep me in the ball park.

What say ye old master? Does DIM eventually quit working?

Blessings,

Roy

>

>

> > Now my T levels are well high enough but I am still tired

> and have the

> > other issues. The sheet was marked for them to test my E2 but for

> > some reason they did not. I give up

> >

> > Testosterone Total 829 Range 250-1100

> >

> > Test Free Percent 3.55H Range 1-3.10

> >

> > Free Test 294.3H Range 35.0-155.0

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

what

> you see. "

> > Phil

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Finding fabulous fares is fun.

> > Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find

> flight and hotel bargains.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

> I was wondering why you tell guys to get Indolples/DIM because

> you know it workd. Why did you switch to Armidex? Just wondering.

>

> My doctor put me on that a long time ago when I complained that

> my Testosterone wasn't working any more ,it helped awhile then

> stopped When I heard you talk about Arimidex I went to it as you

> know and I have been fine since then. I have morning erections

> yet with the cialis too. I can get it up when I want to. Why

> would anyone want to to to DIM in this case. I haven't had a

> blood test for many weeks now and still going strong. Take.25mg

> Arimides ever 9 days and that seems to keep me in the ball park.

>

> What say ye old master? Does DIM eventually quit working?

>

> Blessings,

> Roy

[Guest guest]

Hi Roy yes wood means your E2 is good but still it's best to get tested once in

a wile.

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Hi Phil,

> I was wondering why you tell guys to get Indolples/DIM because

> you know it workd. Why did you switch to Armidex? Just wondering.

>

> My doctor put me on that a long time ago when I complained that

> my Testosterone wasn't working any more ,it helped awhile then

> stopped When I heard you talk about Arimidex I went to it as you

> know and I have been fine since then. I have morning erections

> yet with the cialis too. I can get it up when I want to. Why

> would anyone want to to to DIM in this case. I haven't had a

> blood test for many weeks now and still going strong. Take.25mg

> Arimides ever 9 days and that seems to keep me in the ball park.

>

> What say ye old master? Does DIM eventually quit working?

>

> Blessings,

> Roy

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

---------------------------------

Get your own web address.

Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

> > I was wondering why you tell guys to get Indolples/DIM because

> > you know it workd. Why did you switch to Armidex? Just wondering.

> >

> > My doctor put me on that a long time ago when I complained that

> > my Testosterone wasn't working any more ,it helped awhile then

> > stopped When I heard you talk about Arimidex I went to it as you

> > know and I have been fine since then. I have morning erections

> > yet with the cialis too. I can get it up when I want to. Why

> > would anyone want to to to DIM in this case. I haven't had a

> > blood test for many weeks now and still going strong. Take.25mg

> > Arimides ever 9 days and that seems to keep me in the ball park.

> >

> > What say ye old master? Does DIM eventually quit working?

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Roy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Get your own web address.

> Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Janice,

Sounds so similar to my little guy, Charlie. Spoke with Dorfman

yesterday and asked her about Charlie looking out of the corner of his eye.

She explained that this is a deficiency in vitamin A and that he is getting

the cones and rods or vice versa mixed up. So we are now supplimenting with

Cod Liver Oil - Vitamin A. In addition I have started to suppliment Charlie

with 1 tsp of L Carnatine. His carnatine levels were on the low side of

normal. Charlie is a major big time responder to fish oil though and being

casen free has helped him tremendously. Also he was low in Zinc.

We are up to two and three word combinations these days! Quite a bit of

difference from August when he was saying ah and da.

Colleen

Mother of Chalie 27 months.

[ ] Test results

I got some labs back for Mark. Didn't get to keep them though as my doc

wants to put a program together before relinquishing a copy to me. This

should be done in the next week or so. I did get a " sneak preview " though

and was interested in your thoughts/comments:

My non-fish oil responder son is EXTREMELY efa deficient, particularly in

omega 6. I find this interesting as he has never been an EFA responder

though I have literally poured various types of EFA's into his system over

the years. He also craves seafood and so I feed him a lot of seafood.

Apparently none of it is getting absorbed! The 'aaaaah' light bulb moment

for me!

He is also extremely deficient in glutathione, COQ10 and vitamin A. I forgot

to ask about carnitine but the doc just pointed out the high offenders.

In addition, his testing (without being a challenge) is showing, once again,

high levels of mercury. We will do a heavy metals challenge next to see how

much he excretes under a challenge situation.

Also, to note, he has a truck-load of trans fats in his system though we

have been eating organic and clean for about 5 months now. Apparently, trans

fats take well over a year for the body to eliminate.

Janice

[Guest guest]

Colleen, I am read a mirror image of my child in your posts

Bill ( Jasmine's father 28 mths)

Colleen Somerville <colleen.somerville@...> wrote:

Janice,

Sounds so similar to my little guy, Charlie. Spoke with Dorfman

yesterday and asked her about Charlie looking out of the corner of his eye.

She explained that this is a deficiency in vitamin A and that he is getting

the cones and rods or vice versa mixed up. So we are now supplimenting with

Cod Liver Oil - Vitamin A. In addition I have started to suppliment Charlie

with 1 tsp of L Carnatine. His carnatine levels were on the low side of

normal. Charlie is a major big time responder to fish oil though and being

casen free has helped him tremendously. Also he was low in Zinc.

We are up to two and three word combinations these days! Quite a bit of

difference from August when he was saying ah and da.

Colleen

Mother of Chalie 27 months.

[ ] Test results

I got some labs back for Mark. Didn't get to keep them though as my doc

wants to put a program together before relinquishing a copy to me. This

should be done in the next week or so. I did get a " sneak preview " though

and was interested in your thoughts/comments:

My non-fish oil responder son is EXTREMELY efa deficient, particularly in

omega 6. I find this interesting as he has never been an EFA responder

though I have literally poured various types of EFA's into his system over

the years. He also craves seafood and so I feed him a lot of seafood.

Apparently none of it is getting absorbed! The 'aaaaah' light bulb moment

for me!

He is also extremely deficient in glutathione, COQ10 and vitamin A. I forgot

to ask about carnitine but the doc just pointed out the high offenders.

In addition, his testing (without being a challenge) is showing, once again,

high levels of mercury. We will do a heavy metals challenge next to see how

much he excretes under a challenge situation.

Also, to note, he has a truck-load of trans fats in his system though we

have been eating organic and clean for about 5 months now. Apparently, trans

fats take well over a year for the body to eliminate.

Janice

[Guest guest]

Interesting stuff, especially the comment about trans fats. How do

they test for that?

Tyler is on CoQ10 because it helps the carnitine work, so if Mark is

low in one, he may be low (even low average) in the other. As I

posted previously, I've been told that the carnitine test results

don't always reveal the true situation at the cellular level.

I can't remember is eczema/skin problems are part of Mark's issues,

but the active ingredient in evening primrose oil is thought to be

the omega 6 GLA. EPO helps all sorts of skin problems (and " woman "

problems, too, like PMS, softening the cervix to prepare it for labor

and delivery, etc.) It can be taken orally and also rubbed on eczema

spots directly.

in NJ

>

> I got some labs back for Mark. Didn't get to keep them though as

my doc wants to put a program together before relinquishing a copy to

me. This should be done in the next week or so. I did get a " sneak

preview " though and was interested in your thoughts/comments:

>

> My non-fish oil responder son is EXTREMELY efa deficient,

particularly in omega 6. I find this interesting as he has never

been an EFA responder though I have literally poured various types of

EFA's into his system over the years. He also craves seafood and so

I feed him a lot of seafood. Apparently none of it is getting

absorbed! The 'aaaaah' light bulb moment for me!

>

> He is also extremely deficient in glutathione, COQ10 and vitamin

A. I forgot to ask about carnitine but the doc just pointed out the

high offenders.

>

> In addition, his testing (without being a challenge) is showing,

once again, high levels of mercury. We will do a heavy metals

challenge next to see how much he excretes under a challenge

situation.

>

> Also, to note, he has a truck-load of trans fats in his system

though we have been eating organic and clean for about 5 months now.

Apparently, trans fats take well over a year for the body to

eliminate.

>

> Janice

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great. I hope That all the money and time I am putting into this can help

someone! Hope your little one continues on so well!

[ ] Test results

I got some labs back for Mark. Didn't get to keep them though as my doc

wants to put a program together before relinquishing a copy to me. This

should be done in the next week or so. I did get a " sneak preview " though

and was interested in your thoughts/comments:

My non-fish oil responder son is EXTREMELY efa deficient, particularly in

omega 6. I find this interesting as he has never been an EFA responder

though I have literally poured various types of EFA's into his system over

the years. He also craves seafood and so I feed him a lot of seafood.

Apparently none of it is getting absorbed! The 'aaaaah' light bulb moment

for me!

He is also extremely deficient in glutathione, COQ10 and vitamin A. I forgot

to ask about carnitine but the doc just pointed out the high offenders.

In addition, his testing (without being a challenge) is showing, once again,

high levels of mercury. We will do a heavy metals challenge next to see how

much he excretes under a challenge situation.

Also, to note, he has a truck-load of trans fats in his system though we

have been eating organic and clean for about 5 months now. Apparently, trans

fats take well over a year for the body to eliminate.

Janice

[Guest guest]

Who discovered the need for these things in Tyler?

> >

> > I got some labs back for Mark. Didn't get to keep them though as

> my doc wants to put a program together before relinquishing a copy

to

> me. This should be done in the next week or so. I did get

a " sneak

> preview " though and was interested in your thoughts/comments:

> >

> > My non-fish oil responder son is EXTREMELY efa deficient,

> particularly in omega 6. I find this interesting as he has never

> been an EFA responder though I have literally poured various types

of

> EFA's into his system over the years. He also craves seafood and

so

> I feed him a lot of seafood. Apparently none of it is getting

> absorbed! The 'aaaaah' light bulb moment for me!

> >

> > He is also extremely deficient in glutathione, COQ10 and vitamin

> A. I forgot to ask about carnitine but the doc just pointed out

the

> high offenders.

> >

> > In addition, his testing (without being a challenge) is showing,

> once again, high levels of mercury. We will do a heavy metals

> challenge next to see how much he excretes under a challenge

> situation.

> >

> > Also, to note, he has a truck-load of trans fats in his system

> though we have been eating organic and clean for about 5 months

now.

> Apparently, trans fats take well over a year for the body to

> eliminate.

> >

> > Janice

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Janice - just a few thoughts - if Mark is showing high levels of

mercury coming out, this is a good thing. It is coming out! It is

much worse when the body is unable to rid itself of toxins. keep in

mind that when you do a challenge, it will show all kinds of nasty

things. Take a breath and realize that every person on the planet

is going to excrete toxins - we live in a poluted environment.

There are some really bad ones that you want to address (lead,

mercury, tin, aluminum, ect).

The challenge is probably going to be provoked with DMSA? and then

collect urine? We chelated with DMSA under the guidance of a DAN,

cycling on and off for about 16 months. Lead, mercury, aluminum was

pouring out of my child.

We stopped chelation a year ago, and are starting over with the docs

at Thoughtful House in Austin, TX (Jepson/Wakefield et al) to see

exactly where we are biomedically. We will also address chelation

with them and go for it if necessary. If it is monitored and

administered properly, many children can benefit from it. <ooops!

I probably just started a month long thread that will have people

bashing me and sending all kinds of comments>

You mentioned that he was low glutathione; so was my daughter. That

was an easy supplement as we did a transdermal cream. didn't smell,

and was soo easy to administer. It also helps the body rid itself

of toxins.

We also use Klaire Labs Micel A for supplementing - if not, we get

visual stims and sideways eyes. It is 5,000IU per drop. Again,

easy to administer.

On the bright side, it appears that you have someone knowledgeable

and willing to work with you. You can't fix what you don't know

about.

Best of luck to you and your son,

Stephanee

>

> I got some labs back for Mark. Didn't get to keep them though as

my doc wants to put a program together before relinquishing a copy

to me. This should be done in the next week or so. I did get

a " sneak preview " though and was interested in your

thoughts/comments:

>

> My non-fish oil responder son is EXTREMELY efa deficient,

particularly in omega 6. I find this interesting as he has never

been an EFA responder though I have literally poured various types

of EFA's into his system over the years. He also craves seafood and

so I feed him a lot of seafood. Apparently none of it is getting

absorbed! The 'aaaaah' light bulb moment for me!

>

> He is also extremely deficient in glutathione, COQ10 and vitamin

A. I forgot to ask about carnitine but the doc just pointed out the

high offenders.

>

> In addition, his testing (without being a challenge) is showing,

once again, high levels of mercury. We will do a heavy metals

challenge next to see how much he excretes under a challenge

situation.

>

> Also, to note, he has a truck-load of trans fats in his system

though we have been eating organic and clean for about 5 months

now. Apparently, trans fats take well over a year for the body to

eliminate.

>

> Janice

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Stephanee:

1) How do you avoid tin in toothpaste?

2) DMSA: Is that sulfur based?

3) Can you tell me about ALA safety?

Best wishes. Jepson is a rock star!

Liz

> >

> > I got some labs back for Mark. Didn't get to keep them though as

> my doc wants to put a program together before relinquishing a copy

> to me. This should be done in the next week or so. I did get

> a " sneak preview " though and was interested in your

> thoughts/comments:

> >

> > My non-fish oil responder son is EXTREMELY efa deficient,

> particularly in omega 6. I find this interesting as he has never

> been an EFA responder though I have literally poured various types

> of EFA's into his system over the years. He also craves seafood

and

> so I feed him a lot of seafood. Apparently none of it is getting

> absorbed! The 'aaaaah' light bulb moment for me!

> >

> > He is also extremely deficient in glutathione, COQ10 and vitamin

> A. I forgot to ask about carnitine but the doc just pointed out

the

> high offenders.

> >

> > In addition, his testing (without being a challenge) is showing,

> once again, high levels of mercury. We will do a heavy metals

> challenge next to see how much he excretes under a challenge

> situation.

> >

> > Also, to note, he has a truck-load of trans fats in his system

> though we have been eating organic and clean for about 5 months

> now. Apparently, trans fats take well over a year for the body to

> eliminate.

> >

> > Janice

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Liz -

to my knowledge, our toothpaste doesn't contain tin. We use NOW

brand xylitol toothpaste. Not very foamy, no flouride, but it does

the job. Is the tin in the actual toothpaste or the container? The

container appears to be made from plastic.

DMSA: sulfur based? something in the back of my brain says " yes "

but I wouldn't take that to the bank. My husband is the biomedical

wizard, I'm the implementor and therapy guru in our house. He's not

home right now...

ALA: It is commonly known for it's antioxidant properties. I've

read numerous posts from parents who use it to chelate. Some use it

in conjunction with DMSA, others use it alone. I've personally

never tried ALA on myself due to the fact that I have a mouth full

of old amalgams. If indeed it does chelate, I wouldn't be in great

shape. ALA does cross the blood/brain barrier which is why some

parents and DANs use it to chelate for mercury. Dana from Dana's

View web site uses it exclusively for one of her sons.

I will say that every time we chelated, we saw positives in our

child. No big huge WOWs, but small, steady improvements.

The reason we are changing DANs is that ours wasn't an MD, but did

work closely with our pediatrician. We decided once and for all to

find out what is going on with our kids and make the trip to Austin

to visit Dr. Jepson. Then, based upon their recommendations we'll

move forward. Ah, just another day in paradise!!

Hope this helped you some!

Stephanee

>

> Stephanee:

>

> 1) How do you avoid tin in toothpaste?

>

> 2) DMSA: Is that sulfur based?

>

> 3) Can you tell me about ALA safety?

>

> Best wishes. Jepson is a rock star!

> Liz

[Guest guest]

I think the tin is in the tube. I admire all that you have done and

am thankful for your knowledge. What are you doing about your

amalgams if anything. Mine need to come out but I have yet to be sure

of a good replacement and don't want to be toothles!

> >

> > Stephanee:

> >

> > 1) How do you avoid tin in toothpaste?

> >

> > 2) DMSA: Is that sulfur based?

> >

> > 3) Can you tell me about ALA safety?

> >

> > Best wishes. Jepson is a rock star!

> > Liz

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Stephanee,

Happy Thanksigiving to all of you stateside. We celebrated a month ago but I

know this is a big day for you all!

Thanks for the email on chelation. I was extremely hopeful that Mark didn't

really need it and that we could avoid it. But we will do what we need to do

under the careful guidance of my doc. I have heard that a lot of the kids get

'sick' when they chelate. We did a DMPS push challenge with Mark in the summer

(with a less experienced doctor so I decided to switch) and he actually faired

extremely well afterwards. He was bright eyed and bushy tailed!

I know that detoxing metals with oral DMSA can take a long time. Did you find

your child relatively 'normal' without any major regressions during this period?

Did he remain fairly healthy? I think its important to hear the experiences of

other moms and kids to really understand the process and the options out there.

I like the idea of using Kirkmans transdermal glutathione. I started oral

glutathione with Mark but I know that it is not absorbed well and that the cream

is probably a more efficient way to go. Thanks for the tip.

I am racking my brain, trying to figure out whether we had eaten seafood before

Marks testing. I am thinking that the answer is probably 'yes'. We tend to try

to eat a lot of fish to get as much EFA's as possible into the kid but I wonder

if this is probably a bad thing? If you have a child who does not detox well,

should you be feeding them food that is possibly contaminated with mercury and

arsenic? Is there any good fish that is deemed safe and is high in EFA's? We

eat wild salmon a couple of times a week and we also eat cod, basa and shrimp.

Is this bad?

I am trying very hard to deliver a decent and healthy diet to my household.

Unfortunately I am a lousy cook and so tend to make it as simple as possible.

Almost everything is baked or steamed. I have seen great changes just from the

elimination of junk food and foods high in trans fat. We still have the odd

pizza or chineese food night (always with enzymes) but never eat 'garbage' two

days in a row as the effects are really noticeable in Mark. He gets dark

circles under his eyes and that pale, wan look returns. The gang at NACD wants

me to be feeding Mark more nuts so I am going nut shopping later today!

Any tips from anyone?

Janice

Mother of Mark, 12

[sPAM] [ ] Re: Test results

Hi Janice - just a few thoughts - if Mark is showing high levels of

mercury coming out, this is a good thing. It is coming out! It is

much worse when the body is unable to rid itself of toxins. keep in

mind that when you do a challenge, it will show all kinds of nasty

things. Take a breath and realize that every person on the planet

is going to excrete toxins - we live in a poluted environment.

There are some really bad ones that you want to address (lead,

mercury, tin, aluminum, ect).

The challenge is probably going to be provoked with DMSA? and then

collect urine? We chelated with DMSA under the guidance of a DAN,

cycling on and off for about 16 months. Lead, mercury, aluminum was

pouring out of my child.

We stopped chelation a year ago, and are starting over with the docs

at Thoughtful House in Austin, TX (Jepson/Wakefield et al) to see

exactly where we are biomedically. We will also address chelation

with them and go for it if necessary. If it is monitored and

administered properly, many children can benefit from it. <ooops!

I probably just started a month long thread that will have people

bashing me and sending all kinds of comments>

You mentioned that he was low glutathione; so was my daughter. That

was an easy supplement as we did a transdermal cream. didn't smell,

and was soo easy to administer. It also helps the body rid itself

of toxins.

We also use Klaire Labs Micel A for supplementing - if not, we get

visual stims and sideways eyes. It is 5,000IU per drop. Again,

easy to administer.

On the bright side, it appears that you have someone knowledgeable

and willing to work with you. You can't fix what you don't know

about.

Best of luck to you and your son,

Stephanee

>

> I got some labs back for Mark. Didn't get to keep them though as

my doc wants to put a program together before relinquishing a copy

to me. This should be done in the next week or so. I did get

a " sneak preview " though and was interested in your

thoughts/comments:

>

> My non-fish oil responder son is EXTREMELY efa deficient,

particularly in omega 6. I find this interesting as he has never

been an EFA responder though I have literally poured various types

of EFA's into his system over the years. He also craves seafood and

so I feed him a lot of seafood. Apparently none of it is getting

absorbed! The 'aaaaah' light bulb moment for me!

>

> He is also extremely deficient in glutathione, COQ10 and vitamin

A. I forgot to ask about carnitine but the doc just pointed out the

high offenders.

>

> In addition, his testing (without being a challenge) is showing,

once again, high levels of mercury. We will do a heavy metals

challenge next to see how much he excretes under a challenge

situation.

>

> Also, to note, he has a truck-load of trans fats in his system

though we have been eating organic and clean for about 5 months

now. Apparently, trans fats take well over a year for the body to

eliminate.

>

> Janice

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: If you have a child who does not detox well, should you be

feeding them food that is possibly contaminated with mercury and

arsenic? Is there any good fish that is deemed safe and is high in

EFA's? We eat wild salmon a couple of times a week and we also eat

cod, basa and shrimp. Is this bad?

According to our celiac doc the answer is no. Don't be sad though.

How cool would it be if diet change and the same EFAs starting

helping him a little before the rest of your plan kicks in? Could

jumpstart things.

Nuts are a beautiful thing but I believe there is a hierarchy of

introduction so as not to tear the gut even more. Pecan.org should be

able to help you.

About DMSA: how does one test for which chelator is necessary? We are

not in a position to chelate but I look at my kids and the different

effects epsom salt versus calcium bath and wonder if it got down to

the chelation decision if they'd each need something different.

You are in the homestretch Janice. Hang in there.

On this Thanksgiving I am truly thankful I met you!

> >

> > I got some labs back for Mark. Didn't get to keep them though

as

> my doc wants to put a program together before relinquishing a

copy

> to me. This should be done in the next week or so. I did get

> a " sneak preview " though and was interested in your

> thoughts/comments:

> >

> > My non-fish oil responder son is EXTREMELY efa deficient,

> particularly in omega 6. I find this interesting as he has never

> been an EFA responder though I have literally poured various

types

> of EFA's into his system over the years. He also craves seafood

and

> so I feed him a lot of seafood. Apparently none of it is getting

> absorbed! The 'aaaaah' light bulb moment for me!

> >

> > He is also extremely deficient in glutathione, COQ10 and

vitamin

> A. I forgot to ask about carnitine but the doc just pointed out

the

> high offenders.

> >

> > In addition, his testing (without being a challenge) is

showing,

> once again, high levels of mercury. We will do a heavy metals

> challenge next to see how much he excretes under a challenge

> situation.

> >

> > Also, to note, he has a truck-load of trans fats in his system

> though we have been eating organic and clean for about 5 months

> now. Apparently, trans fats take well over a year for the body to

> eliminate.

> >

> > Janice

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You need to switch from gels to shots every week to 10 days. Gels

give unreliable readings, some time you are high but mostly low. Also

the skin will stop absorbing the gels over time.

IMHO you test are not normal

PSA is Good.

Total Testosterone shoulb be up to at least 650-700

Testosterone Free is only 33% of range

Testosterone Bioavailable is only 25% of range. It should be at about

70% of range

Albunin looks good.

There is no test for E2.

According to my doctors bioavilble is more important than total

testosterone as well as Testosterone Free. You need shots to get

these levels up. Gels will only make your blood thicher and I beleive

because I was on it for years caused heart problems and had to have

stents.

The E2 will be an important test. You should be at 20. Your weight

gain and labs stand out as why you are gaining weight IMHO, been

there done that.

Jack

>

> So blood work came in:

>

> FSH: 2.5 range 1.6-8.0 OK

> LH: 2.3 range 1.5-9.3 OK

> Prolactin: 8.5 range 2.0-18.0 OK

> PSA, Total: 0.9 range 0.0-4.0 OK

> SHBG: 13 range 9.0-45.0 OK

> Vitamin D,25-OH 18 range 20-100 LOW

> Test Total 298 range 250-1100 OK (Low)

> Test Free 74.7 range 46.0-224.0 OK

> Test Bioavail 143.8 range 110-575 OK

> Albumin 4.2 range 3.6-5.1 OK

>

> These tests were taken after being taken off of testim for 2 weeks

due

> to rash. Doc started me back on androgel the day I had the blood

> drawn. When she got the results, she up'ed me to 8 pumps a day from

> 4. She did not check estrogens. I will ask about it next time I

see

> her in Feb. I am gaining weight at an incredible rate. The day I

had

> the blood drawn (Jan 8) I was about 207lbs and am now 215. I feel

> like total crap. I am not eating any more than I normally do, so I

am

> not sure what the heck is going on. All the levels look OK except

for

> the vitamin D. She has me on a once a week pill for that and the 8

> pumps a day of androgel. I feel like I'm taking a bath in this

stuff.

> I've gained almost 40 pounds since this started almost 2 years

ago.

> I have an appt in early Feb. What else should I ask for her to

check?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi.

Sry for highjacking your thread for a min.

Could you elaborate on the thicker blood for me pls.

One think i have noticed since all my issues started is that my blood

takes longer to draw then it did b4 when i was carefree.

And just looks visually thicker or so i imagine.

Would this thickening of the blood have anything to do with the high

amount of dht that the gels create? (leading the witness but..) Are u

saying this would not happen whit T-shots? Im not on any meds now.

My issues started after quitting propecia when dht came back online,

i did not have alot of issues while on propecia but after quitting my

health has severly suffered. But ive been doing better and better,

its now 3 years.

Can you test for this? whats this kind of test called if available?

Thanks.

Björn

> >

> > So blood work came in:

> >

> > FSH: 2.5 range 1.6-8.0 OK

> > LH: 2.3 range 1.5-9.3 OK

> > Prolactin: 8.5 range 2.0-18.0 OK

> > PSA, Total: 0.9 range 0.0-4.0 OK

> > SHBG: 13 range 9.0-45.0 OK

> > Vitamin D,25-OH 18 range 20-100 LOW

> > Test Total 298 range 250-1100 OK (Low)

> > Test Free 74.7 range 46.0-224.0 OK

> > Test Bioavail 143.8 range 110-575 OK

> > Albumin 4.2 range 3.6-5.1 OK

> >

> > These tests were taken after being taken off of testim for 2

weeks

> due

> > to rash. Doc started me back on androgel the day I had the blood

> > drawn. When she got the results, she up'ed me to 8 pumps a day

from

> > 4. She did not check estrogens. I will ask about it next time I

> see

> > her in Feb. I am gaining weight at an incredible rate. The day

I

> had

> > the blood drawn (Jan 8) I was about 207lbs and am now 215. I feel

> > like total crap. I am not eating any more than I normally do, so

I

> am

> > not sure what the heck is going on. All the levels look OK

except

> for

> > the vitamin D. She has me on a once a week pill for that and the

8

> > pumps a day of androgel. I feel like I'm taking a bath in this

> stuff.

> > I've gained almost 40 pounds since this started almost 2 years

> ago.

> > I have an appt in early Feb. What else should I ask for her to

> check?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Check thyroid next!

Keep on the vitamin D, you should be at 55-75ng

Don't let the doctor tell you your thyroid is " fine " or " in-range " and

not give you the lab results...their ranges are too broad. Your TSH

should be very close to 1, or slightly below. Your " free " , or FT3 and

FT4 should be in the top third of range. If you are in the bottom half

of range, you are hypothyroid. You can also take your temperature right

when you awake. It should be 97.8 or above. Your mid afternoon temp

should be 98.6.....or you are hypothyroid despite what the doctor says.

Neil

noonanjg wrote:

>

> So blood work came in:

>

> FSH: 2.5 range 1.6-8.0 OK

> LH: 2.3 range 1.5-9.3 OK

> Prolactin: 8.5 range 2.0-18.0 OK

> PSA, Total: 0.9 range 0.0-4.0 OK

> SHBG: 13 range 9.0-45.0 OK

> Vitamin D,25-OH 18 range 20-100 LOW

> Test Total 298 range 250-1100 OK (Low)

> Test Free 74.7 range 46.0-224.0 OK

> Test Bioavail 143.8 range 110-575 OK

> Albumin 4.2 range 3.6-5.1 OK

>

> These tests were taken after being taken off of testim for 2 weeks due

> to rash. Doc started me back on androgel the day I had the blood

> drawn. When she got the results, she up'ed me to 8 pumps a day from

> 4. She did not check estrogens. I will ask about it next time I see

> her in Feb. I am gaining weight at an incredible rate. The day I had

> the blood drawn (Jan 8) I was about 207lbs and am now 215. I feel

> like total crap. I am not eating any more than I normally do, so I am

> not sure what the heck is going on. All the levels look OK except for

> the vitamin D. She has me on a once a week pill for that and the 8

> pumps a day of androgel. I feel like I'm taking a bath in this stuff.

> I've gained almost 40 pounds since this started almost 2 years ago.

> I have an appt in early Feb. What else should I ask for her to check?

>

>

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> >

> > So blood work came in:

> >

> > FSH: 2.5 range 1.6-8.0 OK

> > LH: 2.3 range 1.5-9.3 OK

> > Prolactin: 8.5 range 2.0-18.0 OK

> > PSA, Total: 0.9 range 0.0-4.0 OK

> > SHBG: 13 range 9.0-45.0 OK

> > Vitamin D,25-OH 18 range 20-100 LOW

> > Test Total 298 range 250-1100 OK (Low)

> > Test Free 74.7 range 46.0-224.0 OK

> > Test Bioavail 143.8 range 110-575 OK

> > Albumin 4.2 range 3.6-5.1 OK

> >

> > These tests were taken after being taken off of testim for 2 weeks due

> > to rash. Doc started me back on androgel the day I had the blood

> > drawn. When she got the results, she up'ed me to 8 pumps a day from

> > 4. She did not check estrogens. I will ask about it next time I see

> > her in Feb. I am gaining weight at an incredible rate. The day I had

> > the blood drawn (Jan 8) I was about 207lbs and am now 215. I feel

> > like total crap. I am not eating any more than I normally do, so I am

> > not sure what the heck is going on. All the levels look OK except for

> > the vitamin D. She has me on a once a week pill for that and the 8

> > pumps a day of androgel. I feel like I'm taking a bath in this stuff.

> > I've gained almost 40 pounds since this started almost 2 years ago.

> > I have an appt in early Feb. What else should I ask for her to check?

> >

> >

> >

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OK, so she did check Thyroid and here is what came back:

T4, Free 1.0 range 0.8-1.8 OK

TSH, 3rd Gen 2.33 range 0.40-4.50 OK

Insulin, Serum 11 range <17 OK

She also checked Cortisol which came back at 17.6 with a range of

4.0-22.0.

[Guest guest]

Bjorn

The test for blood vicosity is the hemoratic. While I was on gels my

arthrits doctor constantly complained that my blood was too thick

even though I was on massive amounts of Vitamin E and arthrits meds.

When I changed to shots a few weeks later my arthrits doctor asked

what I had done my blood was back to normal. I explained that I had

switched from T gels to shots.

I firmly beleive that the gels causing my blood to become thicher

than normal lead to chest pains and having heart stents. I was on

gels for years.

Now on shots and doing much better. My skin got where it would not

asorb the gels and would only make my blood thicher than normal.

Jack

> > >

> > > So blood work came in:

> > >

> > > FSH: 2.5 range 1.6-8.0 OK

> > > LH: 2.3 range 1.5-9.3 OK

> > > Prolactin: 8.5 range 2.0-18.0 OK

> > > PSA, Total: 0.9 range 0.0-4.0 OK

> > > SHBG: 13 range 9.0-45.0 OK

> > > Vitamin D,25-OH 18 range 20-100 LOW

> > > Test Total 298 range 250-1100 OK (Low)

> > > Test Free 74.7 range 46.0-224.0 OK

> > > Test Bioavail 143.8 range 110-575 OK

> > > Albumin 4.2 range 3.6-5.1 OK

> > >

> > > These tests were taken after being taken off of testim for 2

> weeks

> > due

> > > to rash. Doc started me back on androgel the day I had the

blood

> > > drawn. When she got the results, she up'ed me to 8 pumps a day

> from

> > > 4. She did not check estrogens. I will ask about it next time

I

> > see

> > > her in Feb. I am gaining weight at an incredible rate. The

day

> I

> > had

> > > the blood drawn (Jan 8) I was about 207lbs and am now 215. I

feel

> > > like total crap. I am not eating any more than I normally do,

so

> I

> > am

> > > not sure what the heck is going on. All the levels look OK

> except

> > for

> > > the vitamin D. She has me on a once a week pill for that and

the

> 8

> > > pumps a day of androgel. I feel like I'm taking a bath in this

> > stuff.

> > > I've gained almost 40 pounds since this started almost 2 years

> > ago.

> > > I have an appt in early Feb. What else should I ask for her to

> > check?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

last year when I got diagnosed with RA they had me on a medrol dose pack and the

same thing happened with the stiffness returning after the first few big

doses.  I was then on daily prednisone which helped.  I still to this day have

negative RA factor.  The Rheumatologist that I see said my CRP was 84 (supposed

to be less than 4) and that my symptoms indicated RA so he would treat me as

such.  the goal was to get my symptoms to go away and then wean me off the

meds, if the symptoms came back then we knew I had RA. I lasted about 4 months

till the symptoms really flared bad. By time I got back in to the Rheumy I was

in bad shape so i got a nice cortisone shot in my shoulder, a methotrexate shot

and back on my daily triple cocktail of meds.   Everybody is different and

some people never have positive blood work and not everybody responds to the

same meds.  sorry to ramble on. hope you get it worked out!

Kim

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From: Matlock <matlock5@...>

Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 9:45:06 PM

Subject: [ ] Test results

 

Well, got part of my labs back today, all but the ANA. I have yet to see

that one. The RA Latex was negative, the CBC, BMP (glucose, potassium,

etc..)iron, B12 were just fine. Wondering how many of you had all normal

test results and still have RA? How did they diagnose, just by symptoms? I

have yet to see the CRP, Sed rate or ANA. We shall see about those.

Also, finished the medrol dose pack a day ago. I started it Friday and by

Sunday felt like ME!! But by around day 4 as the dose came down to the last

3 pills, I noticed the stiffness returning. How many of you have had results

like this once the first day or two of medrol are done? It was the typical 4

mg pack, fyi.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi - I have what they call sero-negative RA, meaning my RA tests come

back negative. CRP and ESR will measure the levels of inflammation in your body.

Between that and clinical observation, your Rheumy can make a diagnosis. My labs

usually come back all normal. I've been the rounds with the Medrol dose packs

too. It will keep your inflammation down, but usually only while you're on it.

Be sure to take notes with you so you can inform your Rheumy on how you're

feeling so he/she can properly treat your symptoms. Best of luck to you.....

Doreen

>

> Well, got part of my labs back today, all but the ANA. I have yet to

> see that one. The RA Latex was negative, the CBC, BMP (glucose,

> potassium, etc..)iron, B12 were just fine. Wondering how many of

> you had all normal test results and still have RA? How did they

> diagnose, just by symptoms? I have yet to see the CRP, Sed rate or

> ANA. We shall see about those.

>

> Also, finished the medrol dose pack a day ago. I started it Friday

> and by Sunday felt like ME!! But by around day 4 as the dose came

> down to the last 3 pills, I noticed the stiffness returning. How

> many of you have had results like this once the first day or two of

> medrol are done? It was the typical 4 mg pack, fyi.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

I've done the medrol pack twice. The first time, the results have lasted to this

day (took the pack about four years ago) after finishing the pack, and the

relief was almost immediate. It was for a badly pinched nerve in my back and

hip. The pain and inability to move never returned, for which I am grateful. The

second time, in February of last year, I was given the pack for extreme pain and

swelling from the RA in my wrist/hand, and my left ankle. It took effect within

four hours--I was virtually pain free and SO happy! Within 24 hours of finishing

the pack, all pain and swelling returned. I had been hoping that the effects

would be much longer lasting, as they had been from the first experience.

However, I am assuming now that the first time was treating a problem that was

not completely related to the RA, whereas the second time was more fully RA

related. The first time out, I thought it was a miracle drug! lol Guess I

learned a lot from those two experiences. I'm now taking a daily dose of

prednisone, which only somewhat alleviates the pain, swelling, and stiffness of

the RA. I have not yet spoken to the doc about it, as I am not overly interested

in upping the dosage because of side-effects. I'm still looking for more natural

" fixes " to this problem. Between the prednisone, the methotrexate, the sulfa

stuff, and the folic acid, I have not gotten as much relief as I had hope. A bit

better, but not enough, in my estimation, to want to increase dosages or move on

to the more expensive meds out there. It's like a circus.

Michele

>

> Well, got part of my labs back today, all but the ANA. I have yet to see

> that one. The RA Latex was negative, the CBC, BMP (glucose, potassium,

> etc..)iron, B12 were just fine. Wondering how many of you had all normal

> test results and still have RA? How did they diagnose, just by symptoms? I

> have yet to see the CRP, Sed rate or ANA. We shall see about those.

>

>

>

> Also, finished the medrol dose pack a day ago. I started it Friday and by

> Sunday felt like ME!! But by around day 4 as the dose came down to the last

> 3 pills, I noticed the stiffness returning. How many of you have had results

> like this once the first day or two of medrol are done? It was the typical 4

> mg pack, fyi.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>