Doc visit

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Debbie,

Is this doctor a redhead?

I had a horrible experience with a supposedly LLMD in Dallas. I live in

Houston, so the trip was a big waste of time and money.

Maybe I went to the wrong LLMD?

on 8/25/05 8:36 AM, Debbie Dahl at gpages@... wrote:

> <<Debbie - Im in Dallas Texas. I have a great Dr. here who has treated me for

> over 6 years. She told me that over half of all her lyme patients are from

> Oklahoma! You are in tick country!>>

>

> Amazing, that there are no LL docs in Ok/Ark. I got the name of the one in

> Dallas, contemplated that one since I have relatives in Arlington (my home

> town). I commented to the lady giving the names, that there needed to be some

> active looking for LLMDs . . . I'm sure the Lymies could fill their office so

> their practice would be almost totally Lyme-treatment based!!!

>

> I wonder if the Dallas doc would know of anybody interested in being LLMD in

> OK?

>

> Debbie Dahl

> Oklahoma

>

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There is a Dr in Dallas who has a hyphenated name. I wouldnt bring my dog to

her. She has been known to change people dx's if tx becomes too hard for

her, such as insurance problems etc.

Re: [ ] Doc visit

>

> Debbie,

> Is this doctor a redhead?

> I had a horrible experience with a supposedly LLMD in Dallas. I live in

> Houston, so the trip was a big waste of time and money.

> Maybe I went to the wrong LLMD?

>

>

>

>

> on 8/25/05 8:36 AM, Debbie Dahl at gpages@... wrote:

>

> > <<Debbie - Im in Dallas Texas. I have a great Dr. here who has treated

me for

> > over 6 years. She told me that over half of all her lyme patients are

from

> > Oklahoma! You are in tick country!>>

> >

> > Amazing, that there are no LL docs in Ok/Ark. I got the name of the one

in

> > Dallas, contemplated that one since I have relatives in Arlington (my

home

> > town). I commented to the lady giving the names, that there needed to

be some

> > active looking for LLMDs . . . I'm sure the Lymies could fill their

office so

> > their practice would be almost totally Lyme-treatment based!!!

> >

> > I wonder if the Dallas doc would know of anybody interested in being

LLMD in

> > OK?

> >

> > Debbie Dahl

> > Oklahoma

> >

>

>

>

>

> Questions and/or comments can be directed to the list owner at

-Owner

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Debbie -- I was reading some of the email about a Dr here in Dallas. Its

hard to believe she is the same Dr. i have been going to for the last 6 years.

Thanks to her and her treatment my life is worth living. I could not find

another Dr that knew anything about lyme or one that would treat me. I think

the reason i recieved treatment is because my and Western Blot test came

back accute lyme disease. I also had classic lyme symptoms. My friend also had

a tick on his back with the round rash and she treated him for months. I was

wondering if your test came back poss. for lyme? I think if people have the

symptoms of lyme but it does not show up on the test they fall thru the cracks

and have a very hard time getting treatment. I think the poss test or the tick

and rash protect the dr. Have a great day.

Debbie Dahl <gpages@...> wrote:<<Debbie - Im in Dallas Texas. I have

a great Dr. here who has treated me for over 6 years. She told me that over

half of all her lyme patients are from Oklahoma! You are in tick country!>>

Amazing, that there are no LL docs in Ok/Ark. I got the name of the one in

Dallas, contemplated that one since I have relatives in Arlington (my home

town). I commented to the lady giving the names, that there needed to be some

active looking for LLMDs . . . I'm sure the Lymies could fill their office so

their practice would be almost totally Lyme-treatment based!!!

I wonder if the Dallas doc would know of anybody interested in being LLMD in OK?

Debbie Dahl

Oklahoma

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Carolyn,

Yes, this is what happened to me. I had a lot of symptoms, too many to

mention ... right now. I had a Igenex Western Blot test come back

" borderline " ...and the 3 lyme NUMBERS that I was suppose to have to be

" officially " considered having lyme in Texas only came out with ONE

positive. I had a lot of numbers that were +/-. She didn't want to treat me,

and gave me one insult after another...as to why I was there...and being a

burden on my folks, etc...etc.

on 8/25/05 4:38 PM, Carolyn Luken at dedee5858@... wrote:

> Hello Debbie -- I was reading some of the email about a Dr here in Dallas.

> Its hard to believe she is the same Dr. i have been going to for the last 6

> years. Thanks to her and her treatment my life is worth living. I could not

> find another Dr that knew anything about lyme or one that would treat me. I

> think the reason i recieved treatment is because my and Western Blot

> test came back accute lyme disease. I also had classic lyme symptoms. My

> friend also had a tick on his back with the round rash and she treated him for

> months. I was wondering if your test came back poss. for lyme? I think if

> people have the symptoms of lyme but it does not show up on the test they fall

> thru the cracks and have a very hard time getting treatment. I think the poss

> test or the tick and rash protect the dr. Have a great day.

>

> Debbie Dahl <gpages@...> wrote:<<Debbie - Im in Dallas Texas. I

> have a great Dr. here who has treated me for over 6 years. She told me that

> over half of all her lyme patients are from Oklahoma! You are in tick

> country!>>

>

> Amazing, that there are no LL docs in Ok/Ark. I got the name of the one in

> Dallas, contemplated that one since I have relatives in Arlington (my home

> town). I commented to the lady giving the names, that there needed to be some

> active looking for LLMDs . . . I'm sure the Lymies could fill their office so

> their practice would be almost totally Lyme-treatment based!!!

>

> I wonder if the Dallas doc would know of anybody interested in being LLMD in

> OK?

>

> Debbie Dahl

> Oklahoma

>

>

>

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Carolyn,

She was absolutely ruthless! i've never been treated by a doctor or any

other professional like that before. She got snotty at one point, when she

first started asking me questions. Somehow my brain confusion didn't answer

her to her liking and she raised her voice at me. She tried to turn around

something I had said because I didn't answer her question as direct as she

wanted... Usually my mom helps me out when I have problems expressing

myself. My mom sank down in her chair and didn't say anything until she was

asked. After a few minutes time, she wanted me to get re-tested, then she

wanted me to see a psychologist and get back to her! I agreed, and still

agree because I have suffered a terrible trauma, HOWEVER i was SICK BEFORE

THE trauma and they are not related as she thought! She didn't look at my

" shingles " scars I had on my chest, and she said I was taking her her NEXT

Patient's time! (i've never been told that before, especially since we had

talked less than 20 minutes! Heck, in reality it was probably more like 10!

Pitiful. If I have a regret, it's not tape recording the whole amazing

event. It was traumatizing in itself!

After spending over 500.00 dollars total on expenses for that trip

(hotel, and gas) I didn't dare ask my folks for another couple of hundred

dollars for another doctor. I started self-treatment (this is risky, but I

started getting better, it's been about 5 months since that visit. I order

my meds online. Thank God for the internet!)

Oh, I could go on... but its such a horrible memory.

christina

on 8/25/05 9:59 PM, Carolyn Luken at dedee5858@... wrote:

> Wow , Im shocked. I cant imagine feeling so bad and not getting

> help. I pray you found a Dr that can and will help you. I'm speechless!

>

> Periwinkles <periwinkles@...> wrote:Carolyn,

> Yes, this is what happened to me. I had a lot of symptoms, too many to

> mention ... right now. I had a Igenex Western Blot test come back

> " borderline " ...and the 3 lyme NUMBERS that I was suppose to have to be

> " officially " considered having lyme in Texas only came out with ONE

> positive. I had a lot of numbers that were +/-. She didn't want to treat me,

> and gave me one insult after another...as to why I was there...and being a

> burden on my folks, etc...etc.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I have had the same problems, when you complain of

headaches, WhichI have many of. Migraines. Also,

vomiting and nausea, weakness, pulling and drawing in

my legs that keep in pain constantly. After the

oplthalmogist, done the correct tests and determined

Lyme disease.I't came back positive for the

Immunoaborsan Assay (ELISA ?) and he also done an

immunoblot that came back positve. And after being on

doxy since Sept 2003, was able to work for 3 or 4 days

per week and a total of 4 hours a day waiting tabels,

after I first got on the doxy. There was an extreme

amount ofimflammation in my eyes, and other doctors

looked as well, so they would know it if they saw it.

Dr. " Mike " , is very well educated and done his medical

school, in the East (a very pretigious medical school)

And also, worked in that area and had seen many, many

case of Lyme. And then here comes the moron

neurologist, thatinformed me

" There is no Lyme in Tennessee " ,I should have ran

then. He did blood test, (still of the doxy) and the

ELISA stills come up positive The western Blot, was

" not positive for one band he tested, and not all of

the bands were tested). So therefore, I was diagnosedd

with MS and he done a spinal tap, and determed, I was

absolutely healthy. And he called my husband at

work,and told him to tell Me I was crazy. He refused

and told him to call and tell me. I asked him why did

things happen when I went off the doxy, and he said

that it was all in my head. I asked why I lost my

vision after going off the doxy for less than 7 days

and he told me that it was " All inmy head and that the

small town hick doctor had no idea how to read the lab

results. That an opthalmolgist was not a " specialist " ,

but he was. I did no see an optometrist, (The ones

that check you for your glasses.) Dr. " Mike " is a

specialist, so then his answer was, he treated me for

something I did NOT have, have NEVER had, nor do I

have lyme now. There are idiot doctors out there all

the time. I saw an infectious disease specialist, that

I know for a fact had seen two lyme patients, because

on was his nurses' uncle, the other my docs

receptionist husband. so he bold faced lied to me. So

honey, you are not alone. Doctors that do not know

about lyme, or just do not want to treat it, comes up

with something else. So I have signed up for a

psychiatrist. And was told to turn this doctor in to

TennCare. I no longer have pharmacy benefits, and my

medication come up to almost 2000.00 a month. That is

over half, of what my husband make. So she (the

doctor) has filled out the papers for me to try to

qualify for the Patient precription Assistance

programs, that will still takes months to get. By

then, I may be gone. Any, what I mean to say is do

NOT take this idiot personally. I know it is hard, to

do, but I have recently made an appointment with a

psychiatrist, because all of this has made me

depressed. I hope she has lots of samples for me.

God bless you and please try not to think of what that

idiot says, I think we all have been in this case.

Itis all in yourhead is what i have been getting told

since 2001. Just my input.

May God Bless you and the angels hold your hands.

Love,

Beverly

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MRI does not always show Lyme problems. Recomend a SPECT scan. If you

want more info e-mail me privatly.

Love & Magic

Barbwire

Just back from the " new " doctor, this one is a

MD. He pulled about 8 tubes of blood for testing. I asked if

this was for the QRIBb test - he had not heard of that one, so I told

him about it! First he's checking for Lyme titers, Rocky Mt. Spotted

Fever, and Ehrlichia. Using the Western Blot and ELISA. If nothing

shows up on that, I'm pushing for the QRIBb, even if it's out-of-

pocket expense. Also doing a Sed Rate test.

>

> Got half way home and wondered why they weren't testing for

Babesiosis as well - called them back. Have not heard from the lab

tech on that one.

>

> Also scheduled for another MRI next week . . . SO GLAD that this

doctor is taking things seriously! I mentioned some of the other

people that I've dealt with and he groaned when I mentioned the

neurologist's name. Going to give me a neuro consult too.

>

> Consult . . . MRI . . . and blood tests . . . I think I'm going to

like this doctor much better! If he keeps showing this level of

care, maybe he'll be a LLMD . . . time will tell. I know that there

are no LLMDs listed with the " foundation " for referrals in Oklahoma

or Arkansas. That surprises me; we're right in the heart of tick

country.

>

> Debbie Dahl

>

>

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jmfritze wrote: I am so confused

> by the changes in labs, is it normal for them to bounce up and down?

> They did not feel at this point it was needed to start going to a GI

> doc, but I think I will try to get an appointment with Dr. Khan,

> just to get another opinion on whether there is anything he can do

> to help with her problems. Thank you all for your input and help!

, I'm so glad you are with a doctor you trust. That will go a long

way in helping you cope. Yes, it's normal for the labs to go up and

down and for that matter. We all hope that little Ana has what is

called Transient Hypgogam of Infancy. If so, she can outgrow it around

age 2 or 3 when her immune system catches up. Giving her support IVIG

in the meantime sounds like a good idea to get her healthy.

About labs jumping around. The way I understand it is the IgM is a

precursor to IgA and IgG. What that means is that IgM is manufactured

by the body and then it becomes either IgA or IgG whichever it is in the

mood for!!!! So, a look at all 3 tells you more information than

looking at any one at a given time. I would think the subclasses could

fluctuate for the same reason -- but I don't know.

Having low IgE is actually great. IgE is the only one that you want to

be as low as possible! The higher it is, the greater the possibility

for allergic reactions to become a problem. Now, a person with low IgE

can still have a reaction -- but it's usually not as big a deal. Katy

had practically no IgE and was constantly having skin reactions -- but

not ongoing allergy problems with breathing difficulties, etc. She

still reacted to certain antibiotics though -- which a vengence! But

it's usually a " good " result.

In His service,

Dale

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,

I am so sorry to her about the FTT diagnosis..but glad to hear you are getting

somewhere with this! Did they happen to say how her IgM or IgA was?

I have a wonderful " wet wrap " regement for eczema that I can send you if it gets

to the point you think you need it. The kids absolutely hate it at first but

it works beautifully. Reagon's eczema was and still can be very severe at

times. The summers are harder on her. I wish you could see pictures of Reagon

at 6 months old versus now. It would show you things do get better! She was so

pitaful looking as an infant...she got so malnourished that she was skin and

bones, her eyes and ears looked huge, her skin looked horrible from all the

rashes and all her hair fell out! I think because I was around her every day I

didn't notice it as much, but I look back at pictures now and want to cry. She

finally got hair back in at around 2 years of age. Now, other than her small

stature she looks like a perfectly healthy 4 year old. I'd see the either a GI

dr. or an allergist so you can ask them about the Neocate.

Hang in there!

Becki

Doc visit

Well, the immunologist called this morning and got Ana in today

instead of tomorrow at their other location. Amazing what happens

when you call every day to see if there are cancelations! Anyway,

It was the new doc (the old one left to stay home with her kids) and

I loved her! But I was again overwhelmed and confused. For now

they are putting Ana on Bactrum (sp?) daily. They are still waiting

for bloodwork back, but they think that pending that, she will be a

candidate for IV therapy. Scary..but good I think?? So, her

previous blood work had showed low overall IgG, sub 1,3,4. Now her

overall is on the low side of normal, her 1,3,4 are normal and her

sub 2 has dropped very low. She also was completely without IgE

three months ago, they just forgot to tell me that. So they want to

recheck the IgE and also redo the CF test.

She was officially labeled FTT, which you all were right, broke my

heart. She also has mild eczyma, not a surprise. I am so confused

by the changes in labs, is it normal for them to bounce up and down?

They did not feel at this point it was needed to start going to a GI

doc, but I think I will try to get an appointment with Dr. Khan,

just to get another opinion on whether there is anything he can do

to help with her problems. Thank you all for your input and help!

Mom of 13 mo old Ana with ....????

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Which makes me think:

1. My husband had measles and it was really no big deal for him. From what I

read, complications are rare. Is that correct?

[] from what I have read yes.. especially if you use common sense and treat

at home. When my mom was kids, measles was a no biggie.

2. Rubella is not common in the US (In fact, I haven't heard of anyone in PA

contracting it other than Amish and even that not often). What is the

likelihood of a pregnant woman actually contracting it? (I also figure by

the time my daughter is of child-bearing age, she can research herself and

decide whether or not she wants to be vaccinated).[] not sure but check

more

1. They don't really know what causes cervical cancer, correct? One of the

things they think it's linked to is certain strains of HPV but there are

definitely other factors.[] AFAIK, true. I've been reading that it's not as

big a deal as the vaccine makers want you to think about

2. Gardisal ( I am sure I'm spelling it wrong), if it works as is should,

only protects you from a few strains of HPV. So isn't it false marketing by

saying it can prevent cervical cancer?[] yep. All these women, if they

survive the shot, will be told that fact when they get it and it's not one

of the covered strains. A lot of women are going to be in for a shock, if

they are getting it thinking it will make them never have to face that. the

cure is worse than the bite, in this case.

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> Which makes me think:

> 1. My husband had measles and it was really no big deal for him. From what I

read, complications are rare. Is that correct?

Yes, complications are rare and if you don't suppress the symptoms really should

not happen. It's uncomfortable for a couple weeks, yes. But if your kids get

it and you are worried, you can see a homeopath to help.

>

> 2. Rubella is not common in the US (In fact, I haven't heard of anyone in PA

contracting it other than Amish and even that not often). What is the

likelihood of a pregnant woman actually contracting it? (I also figure by the

time my daughter is of child-bearing age, she can research herself and decide

whether or not she wants to be vaccinated).

>

It is rare, I've never heard of anyone getting it I don't think, at least not

recently (maybe 20 years ago). Even if caught during pregnancy (even more

rare), there is question about whether or not it will really harm the fetus.

There is a very small window in the first tri where it COULD cause damage, but

may not (I believe).

>

> 1. They don't really know what causes cervical cancer, correct? One of the

things they think it's linked to is certain strains of HPV but there are

definitely other factors.

I believe they have known for decades that HPV does NOT cause cervical cancer

and is not really linked at all. I could be wrong but that was my

understanding.

>

> 2. Gardisal ( I am sure I'm spelling it wrong), if it works as is should,

only protects you from a few strains of HPV. So isn't it false marketing by

saying it can prevent cervical cancer?

>

Yes it is. Because supposing that HPV DID cause cervical cancer, it prevents

only against three most " common " strains, but there are many, maybe hundreds. I

don't think doctors or researchers really know a whole lot about this at all.

--Kate

Mommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08

Baby #2 due 7-26-09...it's a BOY!

www.rctdiapers.webs.com

>

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When dealing with medical propaganda we must separate the facts from the

fiction, or statements of assumption.

Fact women get  cervical cancer. Fiction the cause of cervical cancer is

different from cancer of any other part of the body. Cancer is cancer, a normal

cell gone haywire. The cause is the same for cancer in one part of the body as

it is for another part of the body. Fiction(in my opinion an outright lie) a

virus causes this cancer. Since viruses can only be seen under an electron

microscope which was magnified 100,000 times and is just a shadow of whatever

diseased part of a body, human or animal and has and can not be isolated it is

just a scam by the vaccine maker to sell products to make money no matter how

many kids they kill.

Jim

________________________________

From: yvomo_yvonne <yvomo@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:59:21 AM

Subject: doc visit

Just took my daughter to get physical for her school yesterday. The doc accepted

the fact that we won't vaccinate anymore without any problems. The only think he

said is I should keep Maia away from measles since there are a lot going around

and has much more complications than chicken pox. He recommended I do chicken

pox parties for both my kids before they get too old. He also wants me to think

about rubella vaccine when she gets to child-bearing age.

Which makes me think:

1. My husband had measles and it was really no big deal for him. From what I

read, complications are rare. Is that correct?

2. Rubella is not common in the US (In fact, I haven't heard of anyone in PA

contracting it other than Amish and even that not often). What is the likelihood

of a pregnant woman actually contracting it? (I also figure by the time my

daughter is of child-bearing age, she can research herself and decide whether or

not she wants to be vaccinated).

My doc didn't know anything about the blood test for TB but he said he

definitely would like me to send him more information which is encouraging.

I have a separate question. On facebook there was a small discussion on Gardisal

and cervical cancer. There was a woman who had said she had given her daughter

the shot because she wished she had the same option when she was younger. She

had gone through pre-cancerous cell on her cervix. Now here is what I would like

clarification on:

1. They don't really know what causes cervical cancer, correct? One of the

things they think it's linked to is certain strains of HPV but there are

definitely other factors.

2. Gardisal ( I am sure I'm spelling it wrong), if it works as is should, only

protects you from a few strains of HPV. So isn't it false marketing by saying it

can prevent cervical cancer?

[Guest guest]

Great that the dr isn't twisting your arm.

Measles is no big deal. Don't worry about it. Good diet with plenty of raw fruit

and veg and if she gets it, it seems to prime the immune system. Complications

are seen in those who are Vit A & C deficient. If children are deficient in

these two, there are bound to be other deficiencies too.

Rubella - there may be more pressure as she gets older, because of the risk of

congenital rubella syndrome. The thing is they say vaccination reduced this to

just about zilch. Not so - any pregnant woman who comes into contact with

rubella is coerced into an abortion. No stats on how many healthy babies have

been aborted through such fear-mongering. So abortion has reduced the number of

babies with the condition, rather than the vaccination.

Someone please correct me if necessary - I believe I have read that the

detrimental effects of rubella on the foetus are also due to Vitamin A

deficiency. So that's easily fixed too - from food, not supplements, during

pregnancy.

Gardasil is touted as " protecting " against 4 of over a hundred strains. These 4

are supposed to cause 70% of cervical cancers. I have to say that environmental

poisoning , vaccines, food supply - pesticides and food tech chems etc are a far

more likely cause of cancer. See if you can get Fear of the Invisible from the

library. It will allay your fears of these diseases.

They have no way of knowing this as cervical cancer might be a problem for some

of these girls in 20 to 30 years. No vax has ever had pre-market testing for

this long. HPV is cleared from most people within 6mths to 3 yrs.

Hope this helps.

Mara

From: yvomo_yvonne <yvomo@...>

Subject: doc visit

Vaccinations

Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 6:59 AM

Just took my daughter to get physical for her school yesterday.  The doc

accepted the fact that we won't vaccinate anymore without any problems.  The

only think he said is I should keep Maia away from measles since there are a lot

going around and has much more complications than chicken pox.  He recommended I

do chicken pox parties for both my kids before they get too old.  He also wants

me to think about rubella vaccine when she gets to child-bearing age.

Which makes me think:

1.  My husband had measles and it was really no big deal for him.  From what I

read, complications are rare.  Is that correct?

2.  Rubella is not common in the US (In fact, I haven't heard of anyone in PA

contracting it other than Amish and even that not often).  What is the

likelihood of a pregnant woman actually contracting it?  (I also figure by the

time my daughter is of child-bearing age, she can research herself and decide

whether or not she wants to be vaccinated).

My doc didn't know anything about the blood test for TB but he said he

definitely would like me to send him more information which is encouraging.

I have a separate question.  On facebook there was a small discussion on

Gardisal and cervical cancer.  There was a woman who had said she had given her

daughter the shot because she wished she had the same option when she was

younger.  She had gone through pre-cancerous cell on her cervix.  Now here is

what I would like clarification on:

1.  They don't really know what causes cervical cancer, correct?  One of the

things they think it's linked to is certain strains of HPV but there are

definitely other factors.

2.  Gardisal ( I am sure I'm spelling it wrong), if it works as is should, only

protects you from a few strains of HPV.  So isn't it false marketing by saying

it can prevent cervical cancer?

[Guest guest]

I agree 100% measles is not the big deal they are making it out to be.

If anything I would be looking for them the same way one does when they

take their kid to a chickenpox party. Since rubella is a very mild

disease for anyone other than those who are expecting children I would

actually seek out and get your daughter life long immunity to this illness.

Maracuja wrote:

>

>

> Great that the dr isn't twisting your arm.

>

> Measles is no big deal. Don't worry about it. Good diet with plenty of

> raw fruit and veg and if she gets it, it seems to prime the immune

> system. Complications are seen in those who are Vit A & C deficient.

> If children are deficient in these two, there are bound to be other

> deficiencies too.

>

> Rubella - there may be more pressure as she gets older, because of the

> risk of congenital rubella syndrome. The thing is they say vaccination

> reduced this to just about zilch. Not so - any pregnant woman who

> comes into contact with rubella is coerced into an abortion. No stats

> on how many healthy babies have been aborted through such

> fear-mongering. So abortion has reduced the number of babies with the

> condition, rather than the vaccination.

>

> Someone please correct me if necessary - I believe I have read that

> the detrimental effects of rubella on the foetus are also due to

> Vitamin A deficiency. So that's easily fixed too - from food, not

> supplements, during pregnancy.

>

> Gardasil is touted as " protecting " against 4 of over a hundred

> strains. These 4 are supposed to cause 70% of cervical cancers. I have

> to say that environmental poisoning , vaccines, food supply -

> pesticides and food tech chems etc are a far more likely cause of

> cancer. See if you can get Fear of the Invisible from the library. It

> will allay your fears of these diseases.

>

> They have no way of knowing this as cervical cancer might be a problem

> for some of these girls in 20 to 30 years. No vax has ever had

> pre-market testing for this long. HPV is cleared from most people

> within 6mths to 3 yrs.

> Hope this helps.

> Mara

>

>

>

> From: yvomo_yvonne <yvomo@... <mailto:yvomo%40hotmail.com>>

> Subject: doc visit

> Vaccinations <mailto:Vaccinations%40>

> Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 6:59 AM

>

> Just took my daughter to get physical for her school yesterday. The

> doc accepted the fact that we won't vaccinate anymore without any

> problems. The only think he said is I should keep Maia away from

> measles since there are a lot going around and has much more

> complications than chicken pox. He recommended I do chicken pox

> parties for both my kids before they get too old. He also wants me to

> think about rubella vaccine when she gets to child-bearing age.

>

> Which makes me think:

> 1. My husband had measles and it was really no big deal for him.

> From what I read, complications are rare. Is that correct?

>

> 2. Rubella is not common in the US (In fact, I haven't heard of

> anyone in PA contracting it other than Amish and even that not

> often). What is the likelihood of a pregnant woman actually

> contracting it? (I also figure by the time my daughter is of

> child-bearing age, she can research herself and decide whether or not

> she wants to be vaccinated).

>

> My doc didn't know anything about the blood test for TB but he said he

> definitely would like me to send him more information which is

> encouraging.

>

> I have a separate question. On facebook there was a small discussion

> on Gardisal and cervical cancer. There was a woman who had said she

> had given her daughter the shot because she wished she had the same

> option when she was younger. She had gone through pre-cancerous cell

> on her cervix. Now here is what I would like clarification on:

>

> 1. They don't really know what causes cervical cancer, correct? One

> of the things they think it's linked to is certain strains of HPV but

> there are definitely other factors.

>

> 2. Gardisal ( I am sure I'm spelling it wrong), if it works as is

> should, only protects you from a few strains of HPV. So isn't it

> false marketing by saying it can prevent cervical cancer?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 06:59 AM 5/30/2009, you wrote:

>Just took my daughter to get physical for her school yesterday. The

>doc accepted the fact that we won't vaccinate anymore without any

>problems. The only think he said is I should keep Maia away from

>measles since there are a lot going around and has much more

>complications than chicken pox. He recommended I do chicken pox

>parties for both my kids before they get too old. He also wants me

>to think about rubella vaccine when she gets to child-bearing age.

>

>Which makes me think:

>1. My husband had measles and it was really no big deal for him.

> From what I read, complications are rare. Is that correct?

Yes, they are rare in healthy people

>2. Rubella is not common in the US (In fact, I haven't heard of

>anyone in PA contracting it other than Amish and even that not

>often). What is the likelihood of a pregnant woman actually

>contracting it? (I also figure by the time my daughter is of

>child-bearing age, she can research herself and decide whether or

>not she wants to be vaccinated).

Discuss all of this in detail in my childhood diseases classes for

all the diseases

NO vaccine gives immunity ever, so you have no choice really

And just because exposure to rubella or even having rubella in

pregnancy does not mean fetal harm

It may still be common but just not diagnosed as rubella because they

think - 'had the vaccine, can't be rubella, we'll call it something else'

>My doc didn't know anything about the blood test for TB but he said

>he definitely would like me to send him more information which is encouraging.

Great

>I have a separate question. On facebook there was a small discussion

>on Gardisal and cervical cancer. There was a woman who had said she

>had given her daughter the shot because she wished she had the same

>option when she was younger. She had gone through pre-cancerous cell

>on her cervix. Now here is what I would like clarification on:

>

>1. They don't really know what causes cervical cancer, correct? One

>of the things they think it's linked to is certain strains of HPV

>but there are definitely other factors.

Yes

See my hpv pages

http://www.wellwithin1.com./hpv.htm

>2. Gardisal ( I am sure I'm spelling it wrong), if it works as is

>should, only protects you from a few strains of HPV. So isn't it

>false marketing by saying it can prevent cervical cancer?

Yes and again NO vaccine ever gives immunity to anything.

Sheri

>

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email

courses - next classes start May 20 & 21

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

Not only is mass media serving up a lot of hooey with their " HPV

Vaccine prevents cervical cancer " nonsense, but they are also lying

about it's safety and efficacy. Even one of the scientists who helped

develop the vaccine stated, in a mainstream news interview (I am

looking for the link, I know I have it somewhere), that the vaccine

was rushed to market way too fast and that the studies on the vaccine

were so short there's really no way to know if it is truly safe OR

effective. She even stated that she would never let her daughter

receive the vaccine at present time. That is the scientist's opinion,

not mine. I know a vaccine is NEVER safe, and none of them are

effective. They don't work the way they are touted to.

I wouldn't wish any vaccine on my worst enemy.... well, except for

Offit. Since he seems to think children can receive 100,000

vaccines in one day and be totally safe, we should use him as the test

subject on his own theory... after adjusting the vaccine dosage to his

body weight in order to mimic the load an infant receives.

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:59 AM, yvomo_yvonne <yvomo@...> wrote:

>

> 1. They don't really know what causes cervical cancer, correct? One of the

> things they think it's linked to is certain strains of HPV but there are

> definitely other factors.

>

> 2. Gardisal ( I am sure I'm spelling it wrong), if it works as is should,

> only protects you from a few strains of HPV. So isn't it false marketing by

> saying it can prevent cervical cancer?

[Guest guest]

I think I feel bad for the woman on fb who thought if she had this shot years

ago then she wouldn't have to go through cervical cancer. Also I feel bad for

her daughters who have no choice but to get the shot.

>

> Not only is mass media serving up a lot of hooey with their " HPV

> Vaccine prevents cervical cancer " nonsense, but they are also lying

> about it's safety and efficacy. Even one of the scientists who helped

> develop the vaccine stated, in a mainstream news interview (I am

> looking for the link, I know I have it somewhere), that the vaccine

> was rushed to market way too fast and that the studies on the vaccine

> were so short there's really no way to know if it is truly safe OR

> effective. She even stated that she would never let her daughter

> receive the vaccine at present time. That is the scientist's opinion,

> not mine. I know a vaccine is NEVER safe, and none of them are

> effective. They don't work the way they are touted to.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it's very sad that our society has the attitude that everything

can be fixed with a pill or prevented with a vaccine... they place no

merit on one's diet, and diet is EVERYTHING. Without a good diet you

can NEVER have good health. A pill never fixed anything, only masks

it, and a vaccine never prevents anything, only gives a false sense of

security.

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM, yvomo_yvonne <yvomo@...> wrote:

>

>

> I think I feel bad for the woman on fb who thought if she had this shot

> years ago then she wouldn't have to go through cervical cancer. Also I feel

> bad for her daughters who have no choice but to get the shot.

[Guest guest]

I don't know anyone who has had measles. Where are these rampant cases??

See here for much info on Gardisal/HPV:

(http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/hpv.aspx)

Nice that your doc has an open mind about this though.

Winnie

doc visit

Vaccinations

> Just took my daughter to get physical for her school yesterday.

> The doc accepted the fact that we won't vaccinate anymore

> without any problems. The only think he said is I should keep

> Maia away from measles since there are a lot going around and

> has much more complications than chicken pox. He recommended I

> do chicken pox parties for both my kids before they get too old.

> He also wants me to think about rubella vaccine when she gets

> to child-bearing age.

>

> Which makes me think:

> 1. My husband had measles and it was really no big deal for

> him. From what I read, complications are rare. Is that correct?

>

> 2. Rubella is not common in the US (In fact, I haven't heard of

> anyone in PA contracting it other than Amish and even that not

> often). What is the likelihood of a pregnant woman actually

> contracting it? (I also figure by the time my daughter is of

> child-bearing age, she can research herself and decide whether

> or not she wants to be vaccinated).

>

> My doc didn't know anything about the blood test for TB but he

> said he definitely would like me to send him more information

> which is encouraging.

>

> I have a separate question. On facebook there was a small

> discussion on Gardisal and cervical cancer. There was a woman

> who had said she had given her daughter the shot because she

> wished she had the same option when she was younger. She had

> gone through pre-cancerous cell on her cervix. Now here is what

> I would like clarification on:

>

> 1. They don't really know what causes cervical cancer, correct?

> One of the things they think it's linked to is certain strains

> of HPV but there are definitely other factors.

>

> 2. Gardisal ( I am sure I'm spelling it wrong), if it works as

> is should, only protects you from a few strains of HPV. So

> isn't it false marketing by saying it can prevent cervical cancer?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ditto

Jim

________________________________

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:15:50 PM

Subject: Re: doc visit

I don't know anyone who has had measles. Where are these rampant cases??

See here for much info on Gardisal/HPV: (http://www.nvic. org/Vaccines-

and-Diseases/ hpv.aspx)

Nice that your doc has an open mind about this though.

Winnie

doc visit

Vaccinations

> Just took my daughter to get physical for her school yesterday.

> The doc accepted the fact that we won't vaccinate anymore

> without any problems.. The only think he said is I should keep

> Maia away from measles since there are a lot going around and

> has much more complications than chicken pox. He recommended I

> do chicken pox parties for both my kids before they get too old.

> He also wants me to think about rubella vaccine when she gets

> to child-bearing age.

>

> Which makes me think:

> 1. My husband had measles and it was really no big deal for

> him. From what I read, complications are rare. Is that correct?

>

> 2. Rubella is not common in the US (In fact, I haven't heard of

> anyone in PA contracting it other than Amish and even that not

> often). What is the likelihood of a pregnant woman actually

> contracting it? (I also figure by the time my daughter is of

> child-bearing age, she can research herself and decide whether

> or not she wants to be vaccinated).

>

> My doc didn't know anything about the blood test for TB but he

> said he definitely would like me to send him more information

> which is encouraging..

>

> I have a separate question. On facebook there was a small

> discussion on Gardisal and cervical cancer. There was a woman

> who had said she had given her daughter the shot because she

> wished she had the same option when she was younger. She had

> gone through pre-cancerous cell on her cervix. Now here is what

> I would like clarification on:

>

> 1. They don't really know what causes cervical cancer, correct?

> One of the things they think it's linked to is certain strains

> of HPV but there are definitely other factors.

>

> 2. Gardisal ( I am sure I'm spelling it wrong), if it works as

> is should, only protects you from a few strains of HPV. So

> isn't it false marketing by saying it can prevent cervical cancer?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think rampant means the three in Berks County in PA. That doesn't count the

ones who get it from the vaccine because they are just showing symptoms similar

to measles, they don't really have it (at least that's what their docs tell

them).

>

> I don't know anyone who has had measles. Where are these rampant cases??

>

> See here for much info on Gardisal/HPV:

(http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/hpv.aspx)

>

> Nice that your doc has an open mind about this though.

>

> Winnie

[Guest guest]

Haha, oh yes, those three. Good reason to vaccinate millions for decades, eh?

Winnie

Re: doc visit

Vaccinations

> I think rampant means the three in Berks County in PA. That

> doesn't count the ones who get it from the vaccine because they

> are just showing symptoms similar to measles, they don't really

> have it (at least that's what their docs tell them).

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I don't know anyone who has had measles. Where are these

> rampant cases??

> >

> > See here for much info on Gardisal/HPV:

> (http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/hpv.aspx)

> >

> > Nice that your doc has an open mind about this though.

> >

> > Winnie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tawny:

Glad to read your post today, and that your dr. appt. went well. I am

glad she changed your B.P. meds, and that you are starting to take an

antidepressant. Also good she is checking out your leg, and taking more

blood work. At least it is a positive start for you. I hope these

changes start to make you feel better. When do you see her again?

Lots of nice rain here everyday as we needed it so badly. I love rainy

days, but wish we had fog here. I miss that about Cape Cod. I am still

doing good, watching t.v. and reading. Yesterday I vac. my bedroom and

that went fine. I am glad to be back doing things in my house.

I hope you have a good weekend, and start feeling better. Wishing you

pain free days. Take care of yourself, and rest when you can.

Love and hugs,

Barbara

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I went to my primary doctor today. It went alright, I was a little

annoyed with her,she was behind, and kept hurrying me. I had to get more

lab work, not sure what all she is checking for. I told her, I get dizzy

and feel disoriented for a short time. I know she is checking for

anemia. She said it could be some of my meds too.

> She took me off both my blood pressure meds, and put me on another

one, called, " Benicar HCT. " It was causing edema, so I hope the new med

works out for me. I also started cymbalta today. It helps with

depression,anxiety,neuropathy pain, and fibro pain. I have all four, so

hope it works. She is scheduling a ultrasound for my leg, to make sure I

don't have a blood clot. I go back in two weeks.

> I hope everyone has a pain free weekend,

>

> Tawny

>