Re: reply to Kay

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay.....Thank you for responding to my email.....We just found out

yesterday afternoon when the hospital called about the blood

tests.....It was to late to make a doctors appointment yesterday.I am

waiting til the doctors open which should be in about half an hour,then

I can make him an appointment.....I am in New York.....I will let you

know when he goes and what they say.....I am sorry about you and your

children having this disease....My prayers are with all of you..My

biggest fear of this all is that we have no insurance......We will

have to pay the doctors bill and meds out of pocket until I can see if I

can apply for some kind of insurance..I am going to find out if my son

can qualify for medicaid or something...We have 6 children altogether,so

this is really gonna be hard for us...But I have faith that things will

work out....As soon as I call the doctor I will email back and let you

know what they say.....Thx again for taking the time to email me and may

god bless your family....Doris

[Guest guest]

doris......some pharmacudical(sp) cos. will give u free medication if u can

show need....someone on here has a list of them .......please reprint it...

Reid

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay

First let me apologize for taking long to respond. I'm always apologizing

for taking long. Sometimes I go a week or two before I have the opportunity

to look at my mail.

We have a unique situation at our church's school. There are only 20

students in our school, and only 4 in Mikayla's kindergarten class. I have

however, already started talking to them about being placed in Abbi's

class and they are willing to help in any way I need them. I'm going to see

if I can get an aid to be there with . I've been told that in WA they

are to provide him with one even in a private school situation and they said

they would be willing to do that. I'm not sure if it would be part time or

full though. I do have an issue with the curriculum. It is a VERY strenuous

curriculum. Mikayla has been having a hard time with the reading part of it.

They are already reading, adding and counting money. I'm afraid to put him

in this curriculum, I don't want them to pass him on just because he's

" special " ! I want him to learn just like all the other kids. So I will keep

talking to them between now and then. I'll let you know if they decide

something more definite.

Kim mom to Abbi and ds - 3 yrs and Mikayla - 5 yrs

> Kim, You said Mikayla started Kindergarten this year at your church's

> school. Our church has a day school K-8. We'd love to be able to send the

> triplets there, but don't know how extensive their support to would

be

> - meaning they wouldn't legally have to provide a TA for her or abide by

> state laws as public school systems must. We're getting a new principal

> starting next year, so maybe we'll talk with that person and " feel them

> out " . I know the entire church and school staff would be very supportive

and

> love to have our family there, but if can't get the one on one or

other

> things she needs, I want to send her to the public school. There is a good

> elementary school very close to us (as well as the church school). If you

> don't mind would you please share what you've discussed with the staff,

what

> they've committed to, etc...

>

[Guest guest]

Kim I can soo relate to your concerns about schooling! I'm

looking/visiting schools for my twins already, for this Sept when they

are 2 1/2, because, IF Tara does well in this " regular setting " then

when she turns 3 {this time next year} I might want to ask/tell my

school board that I want her to stay in the school she's already

in{with her twin} and her " supports " , PT, OT and speech go to her

school. That means not automatically putting her in our towns

" handicapp " preschool.......my concern with having her in a typical

preschool is that the teacher will NOT be a special ed teacher, and

maybe cannot teach Tara the way she needs to be taught, or maybe she

wouldn't have a good understanding of Tara's needs or learning styles,

it's a tough process and deceision to make.........I didn't think and

investigate this long and hard with my older two children, for their

preschools, thats for sure!!!

Gail.......Mom to Bobby 7, Jillian 4 1/2, and Tara{Ds} 22 months

>

> Hi Kay

> First let me apologize for taking long to respond. I'm always apologizing

> for taking long. Sometimes I go a week or two before I have the opportunity

> to look at my mail.

>

> We have a unique situation at our church's school. There are only 20

> students in our school, and only 4 in Mikayla's kindergarten class. I have

> however, already started talking to them about being placed in Abbi's

> class and they are willing to help in any way I need them. I'm going to see

> if I can get an aid to be there with . I've been told that in WA they

> are to provide him with one even in a private school situation and they said

> they would be willing to do that. I'm not sure if it would be part time or

> full though. I do have an issue with the curriculum. It is a VERY strenuous

> curriculum. Mikayla has been having a hard time with the reading part of it.

> They are already reading, adding and counting money. I'm afraid to put him

> in this curriculum, I don't want them to pass him on just because he's

> " special " ! I want him to learn just like all the other kids. So I will keep

> talking to them between now and then. I'll let you know if they decide

> something more definite.

>

> Kim mom to Abbi and ds - 3 yrs and Mikayla - 5 yrs

>

> > Kim, You said Mikayla started Kindergarten this year at your church's

> > school. Our church has a day school K-8. We'd love to be able to send the

> > triplets there, but don't know how extensive their support to would

> be

> > - meaning they wouldn't legally have to provide a TA for her or abide by

> > state laws as public school systems must. We're getting a new principal

> > starting next year, so maybe we'll talk with that person and " feel them

> > out " . I know the entire church and school staff would be very supportive

> and

> > love to have our family there, but if can't get the one on one or

> other

> > things she needs, I want to send her to the public school. There is a good

> > elementary school very close to us (as well as the church school). If you

> > don't mind would you please share what you've discussed with the staff,

> what

> > they've committed to, etc...

> >

>

>

> http://DSyndrome.com/Multiples

[Guest guest]

I use Crest toothpaste that's not in a tube. You set it down lid

first, or upside down, so the toothpaste settles down at the bottom

and is easily squeezed out with no effort. It comes in different

flavors, such as Minty Fresh and Cinnamon Rush. The consistency is

more like a gel than a paste.

Sue

On May 11, 2009, at 10:46 PM, catherine wrote:

>

> Toothpaste- use your elbow to squeeze or a very small rolling pin

> that only requires one hand. It gets messy but at times I step on

> the tube. I have a " grabber " to get it off the floor.

[Guest guest]

they make a device to attach to a toothpaste tube that you put on the end of the

tube and has you want toothpaste you pull it up like a zipper and it pushes out

the toothpaste on the other end. It locks into place and is easily useable. I

use one and haven't had an issue with it. I just can't remember the name of it

sorry

Re: [ ] reply to Kay

I use Crest toothpaste that's not in a tube. You set it down lid

first, or upside down, so the toothpaste settles down at the bottom

and is easily squeezed out with no effort. It comes in different

flavors, such as Minty Fresh and Cinnamon Rush. The consistency is

more like a gel than a paste.

Sue

On May 11, 2009, at 10:46 PM, catherine wrote:

>

> Toothpaste- use your elbow to squeeze or a very small rolling pin

> that only requires one hand. It gets messy but at times I step on

> the tube. I have a " grabber " to get it off the floor.

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[Guest guest]

here is a website with some thing called a toothpaste squeezer, they are simular

to what I use.

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/Toothpaste_squeezer.html

Re: [ ] reply to Kay

I use Crest toothpaste that's not in a tube. You set it down lid

first, or upside down, so the toothpaste settles down at the bottom

and is easily squeezed out with no effort. It comes in different

flavors, such as Minty Fresh and Cinnamon Rush. The consistency is

more like a gel than a paste.

Sue

On May 11, 2009, at 10:46 PM, catherine wrote:

>

> Toothpaste- use your elbow to squeeze or a very small rolling pin

> that only requires one hand. It gets messy but at times I step on

> the tube. I have a " grabber " to get it off the floor.

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[Guest guest]

,

Bless you, although I know it wasn't the intent, the toothpaste solution made me

laugh sparked my often bizzare writer mentality, which I'm the first to admit

can be twisted at times. I could so see the tooth paste option in a comedy scene

with a character who had a broken arm, etc.

It also reminded me my first bad flare when I din't know what the hell was going

on. Neither hand wanted to work. I was home alone and couldn't open the bottle

with my pain pills. I tried everything I could think of to open the lid, next to

break the plastic bottle, including dropping and iron skillet on the damn thing,

but couldn't lift the skillet. I thought about stomping on it, but was barefoot

and couldn't put my shoes on. I even went so far as to go out to the garage and

put the bottle behind my rear tire, thinking if I ran over it the bottle was

sure to break. Fortunately, I came to my senses, realizing that I'd also crush

all the pills I desperately wanted. Even if a couple were spared, I'd then be

out of pain medication.

Now my regular doctor knows me. He wouldn't have been at all shocked at me doing

something so stupid and probably would have written me a new prescription, but I

don't think my insurance comapny would have been so understanding about me

attempting to refill a prescription for pain meds in only two days.

I finally gave up and called my daughter. She came over to open the bottle for

me. We transferred the pills into a bottle that didn't have a child proof cap.

So, once again, even thought it wasn't your intent, thank you for the laugh and

reminding me that I do have a sense of humor - however twisted it might be.

HUGS

Kay

>

> Kay...I totally relate to your frustrations.

> I have stopped working but perhaps I can tell you some adaptions

> I have used.

>

> Toothpaste- use your elbow to squeeze or a very small rolling pin

> that only requires one hand. It gets messy but at times I step on the tube. I

have a " grabber " to get it off the floor.

>

> Put a flat tennis ball on toothbrush, vacuum or anything with a handle.

> Grpping is much easier.

>

> I use to set alarm 90 minutes early, take meds and return to sleep.

>

> A hot wax machine use to relieve pain in my hands.

>

> After years of frustration and being on a minimal budget, I surrendered and

hired a cleaning woman one day a month. The frustration of not being able to

clean was so demoralizing.

>

> Pens are a challenge. Go to staples or other office supply store. They sell

very fat pens. Ask a sales assistant for arthritic writing implements. You can

wrap them in tape to make them fatter.

>

> This is a frustrating disease and I wish you well in finding ways to cope.

>

[Guest guest]

I am so pleased you can laugh....Total necessity to survival

 

Please change door knobs in your home. I was trapped in rooms with regular door

knobs.

I once was locked in my bedroom for hours....My son changed all door knobs in

house for me.

The lever ones are awesome and almost always available used  at habitat for

humanity stores

 

You made me giggle. I live in a high rise condo and also could not open meds. I

sat in the lobby for 2 ours asking passer bys to open my meds. The worst was ust

before my last hospitalization. Dr was adamant I drink a lot orf gatorade before

morning. I raced to walgreens...got home and could not open it.......So

frustrating.....

Raniolo

From: kay.wilde <kay.wilde@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: reply to Kay

Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 11:36 PM

,

Bless you, although I know it wasn't the intent, the toothpaste solution made me

laugh sparked my often bizzare writer mentality, which I'm the first to admit

can be twisted at times. I could so see the tooth paste option in a comedy scene

with a character who had a broken arm, etc.

It also reminded me my first bad flare when I din't know what the hell was going

on. Neither hand wanted to work. I was home alone and couldn't open the bottle

with my pain pills. I tried everything I could think of to open the lid, next to

break the plastic bottle, including dropping and iron skillet on the damn thing,

but couldn't lift the skillet. I thought about stomping on it, but was barefoot

and couldn't put my shoes on. I even went so far as to go out to the garage and

put the bottle behind my rear tire, thinking if I ran over it the bottle was

sure to break. Fortunately, I came to my senses, realizing that I'd also crush

all the pills I desperately wanted. Even if a couple were spared, I'd then be

out of pain medication.

Now my regular doctor knows me. He wouldn't have been at all shocked at me doing

something so stupid and probably would have written me a new prescription, but I

don't think my insurance comapny would have been so understanding about me

attempting to refill a prescription for pain meds in only two days.

I finally gave up and called my daughter. She came over to open the bottle for

me. We transferred the pills into a bottle that didn't have a child proof cap.

So, once again, even thought it wasn't your intent, thank you for the laugh and

reminding me that I do have a sense of humor - however twisted it might be.

HUGS

Kay

>

> Kay...I totally relate to your frustrations.

> I have stopped working but perhaps I can tell you some adaptions

> I have used.

>

> Toothpaste- use your elbow to squeeze or a very small rolling pin

> that only requires one hand. It gets messy but at times I step on the tube. I

have a " grabber " to get it off the floor.

>

> Put a flat tennis ball on toothbrush, vacuum or anything with a handle.

> Grpping is much easier.

>

> I use to set alarm 90 minutes early, take meds and return to sleep.

>

> A hot wax machine use to relieve pain in my hands.

>

> After years of frustration and being on a minimal budget, I surrendered and

hired a cleaning woman one day a month. The frustration of not being able to

clean was so demoralizing.

>

> Pens are a challenge. Go to staples or other office supply store. They sell

very fat pens. Ask a sales assistant for arthritic writing implements. You can

wrap them in tape to make them fatter.

>

> This is a frustrating disease and I wish you well in finding ways to cope.

>

[Guest guest]

trick for opening childproof bottles--open a door all the way and put the bottle

top in the space between the door and the facing (this is on the hinge side of

the door) and close the door slowly putting tension on the bottle cap. Turn the

botte keeping tension on the cap. This will squeeze the cap enough to release

the child proof part.  If that doesn't work keep closing the door.  At some

point the plastic bottle will break.  You may spill a few but at least you have

your pills.  linda 

From: kay.wilde <kay.wilde (DOT) com>

Subject: [ ] Re: reply to Kay

@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 11:36 PM

,

Bless you, although I know it wasn't the intent, the toothpaste solution made me

laugh sparked my often bizzare writer mentality, which I'm the first to admit

can be twisted at times. I could so see the tooth paste option in a comedy scene

with a character who had a broken arm, etc.

It also reminded me my first bad flare when I din't know what the hell was going

on. Neither hand wanted to work. I was home alone and couldn't open the bottle

with my pain pills. I tried everything I could think of to open the lid, next to

break the plastic bottle, including dropping and iron skillet on the damn thing,

but couldn't lift the skillet. I thought about stomping on it, but was barefoot

and couldn't put my shoes on. I even went so far as to go out to the garage and

put the bottle behind my rear tire, thinking if I ran over it the bottle was

sure to break. Fortunately, I came to my senses, realizing that I'd also crush

all the pills I desperately wanted. Even if a couple were spared, I'd then be

out of pain medication.

Now my regular doctor knows me. He wouldn't have been at all shocked at me doing

something so stupid and probably would have written me a new prescription, but I

don't think my insurance comapny would have been so understanding about me

attempting to refill a prescription for pain meds in only two days.

I finally gave up and called my daughter. She came over to open the bottle for

me. We transferred the pills into a bottle that didn't have a child proof cap.

So, once again, even thought it wasn't your intent, thank you for the laugh and

reminding me that I do have a sense of humor - however twisted it might be.

HUGS

Kay

>

> Kay...I totally relate to your frustrations.

> I have stopped working but perhaps I can tell you some adaptions

> I have used.

>

> Toothpaste- use your elbow to squeeze or a very small rolling pin

> that only requires one hand. It gets messy but at times I step on the tube. I

have a " grabber " to get it off the floor.

>

> Put a flat tennis ball on toothbrush, vacuum or anything with a handle.

> Grpping is much easier.

>

> I use to set alarm 90 minutes early, take meds and return to sleep.

>

> A hot wax machine use to relieve pain in my hands.

>

> After years of frustration and being on a minimal budget, I surrendered and

hired a cleaning woman one day a month. The frustration of not being able to

clean was so demoralizing.

>

> Pens are a challenge. Go to staples or other office supply store. They sell

very fat pens. Ask a sales assistant for arthritic writing implements. You can

wrap them in tape to make them fatter.

>

> This is a frustrating disease and I wish you well in finding ways to cope.

>

[Guest guest]

,

 

Here I was ready to go to bed when your post came through and found myself

laughing. I hadn't even thought about changing the door knobs but I can see

where it's a smart thing to do. I can just see me calling in to work and telling

them I can't come to work because I can't get out of my house.

 

The night I couldn't open the pill bottle, I considered going next door to see

if someone would open it for me, so it's easy to visualize someone sitting in a

lobby asking people to open pill bottles for them. I now tell the pharmacy not

to use child proff lids.

 

I also remember, again the first flare and getting in the bathtub. Getting in

was no big deal, getting out is a different story altogether. I didn't have

enough strength in my hands or arms to pull myself up. So there I sat, home

alone and stuck in the bathtub. I kept having flashes of the Life Alert

commercial with the lady saying, " I've fallen and can't get up. " It was either

laugh or cry, so there I sat, stuck in the bath tub, naked, with the water

getting cold, laughing like and idiot. It's probably a good thing I was alone

because anyone hearing me would have thought I'd finally lost it. Anyway, I

finally got turned around and up on my knees and out of the tub. I now take the

cordless phone into the bathroom with me when I take a bath. I can see it now,

calling 911 and telling them I'm stuck in the bathtub and can't get out. "

 

Thank you everyone who responded with such good suggestions, and SUPPORT. While

I used to be able to stay up late, on the computer and get up and go to work the

next day with no problems I'm afraid those days are gone. As it is, it is way

past my new, normal bed time, so I'm saying sweet dreams everyone. Will check in

tomorrow.

 

Kay

[Guest guest]

Your the McGyver of RA!

Stan

[ ] Re: reply to Kay

@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 11:36 PM

,

Bless you, although I know it wasn't the intent, the toothpaste solution made me

laugh sparked my often bizzare writer mentality, which I'm the first to admit

can be twisted at times. I could so see the tooth paste option in a comedy scene

with a character who had a broken arm, etc.

It also reminded me my first bad flare when I din't know what the hell was going

on. Neither hand wanted to work. I was home alone and couldn't open the bottle

with my pain pills. I tried everything I could think of to open the lid, next to

break the plastic bottle, including dropping and iron skillet on the damn thing,

but couldn't lift the skillet. I thought about stomping on it, but was barefoot

and couldn't put my shoes on. I even went so far as to go out to the garage and

put the bottle behind my rear tire, thinking if I ran over it the bottle was

sure to break. Fortunately, I came to my senses, realizing that I'd also crush

all the pills I desperately wanted. Even if a couple were spared, I'd then be

out of pain medication.

Now my regular doctor knows me. He wouldn't have been at all shocked at me doing

something so stupid and probably would have written me a new prescription, but I

don't think my insurance comapny would have been so understanding about me

attempting to refill a prescription for pain meds in only two days.

I finally gave up and called my daughter. She came over to open the bottle for

me. We transferred the pills into a bottle that didn't have a child proof cap.

So, once again, even thought it wasn't your intent, thank you for the laugh and

reminding me that I do have a sense of humor - however twisted it might be.

HUGS

Kay

>

> Kay...I totally relate to your frustrations.

> I have stopped working but perhaps I can tell you some adaptions

> I have used.

>

> Toothpaste- use your elbow to squeeze or a very small rolling pin

> that only requires one hand. It gets messy but at times I step on the tube. I

have a " grabber " to get it off the floor.

>

> Put a flat tennis ball on toothbrush, vacuum or anything with a handle.

> Grpping is much easier.

>

> I use to set alarm 90 minutes early, take meds and return to sleep.

>

> A hot wax machine use to relieve pain in my hands.

>

> After years of frustration and being on a minimal budget, I surrendered and

hired a cleaning woman one day a month. The frustration of not being able to

clean was so demoralizing.

>

> Pens are a challenge. Go to staples or other office supply store. They sell

very fat pens. Ask a sales assistant for arthritic writing implements. You can

wrap them in tape to make them fatter.

>

> This is a frustrating disease and I wish you well in finding ways to cope.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/12/2009 1:06:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

marysue@... writes:

LOL, Kay! This is the reason that I take showers. My problem with

getting out of the tub is more old age than the RA, I think. >

I disagree. Before I was diagnosed, my pain was in my upper arms and knees.

I had trouble getting out of chairs, cars, off the toilet and out of the

tub.

My husband knows I love to take tub baths, so he said he would help me get

out. So one day he was home and I decided to try it. Getting in was not

easy, but I made it. Took a wonderful bath and tried to get out -- nope. So I

called for him after a few tries -- no response. I kept wiggling around --

for some reason I couldn't get to my knees either because I've used that

one also. Finally I was able to push myself up one side of the tub and get

out. Then I walked into the living room and he was watching tv with his

headset on. Couldn't hear a thing.

As soon as my doctor started me on prednisone, I could take tub baths with

no problem. I'm getting older, but as long as the RA is under control, I

can get out of the tub.

dd

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the U.S.

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[Guest guest]

LOL, Kay! This is the reason that I take showers. My problem with

getting out of the tub is more old age than the RA, I think.

Sue

On May 12, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Kay Wilde wrote:

>

> I also remember, again the first flare and getting in the bathtub.

> Getting in was no big deal, getting out is a different story

> altogether. I didn't have enough strength in my hands or arms to

> pull myself up. So there I sat, home alone and stuck in the bathtub.

> I kept having flashes of the Life Alert commercial with the lady

> saying, " I've fallen and can't get up. " It was either laugh or cry,

> so there I sat, stuck in the bath tub, naked, with the water getting

> cold, laughing like and idiot. It's probably a good thing I was

> alone because anyone hearing me would have thought I'd finally lost

> it. Anyway, I finally got turned around and up on my knees and out

> of the tub. I now take the cordless phone into the bathroom with me

> when I take a bath. I can see it now, calling 911 and telling them

> I'm stuck in the bathtub and can't get out. "

[Guest guest]

My getting stuck in the bathtub was when I realized I actually had a medical

condition and that RA was not going to go away.  Usually I keep the cell phone

within reach and my towel ranks are designed to grasp and they are bolted in the

wall so I could use them if need be. But it makes me laugh.

Stan

Seattle, Party cloudy.

Re: [ ] Re: reply to Kay

LOL, Kay! This is the reason that I take showers. My problem with  

getting out of the tub is more old age than the RA, I think.

Sue

On May 12, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Kay Wilde wrote:

>

> I also remember, again the first flare and getting in the bathtub.  

> Getting in was no big deal, getting out is a different story  

> altogether. I didn't have enough strength in my hands or arms to  

> pull myself up. So there I sat, home alone and stuck in the bathtub.  

> I kept having flashes of the Life Alert commercial with the lady  

> saying, " I've fallen and can't get up. " It was either laugh or cry,  

> so there I sat, stuck in the bath tub, naked, with the water getting  

> cold, laughing like and idiot. It's probably a good thing I was  

> alone because anyone hearing me would have thought I'd finally lost  

> it. Anyway, I finally got turned around and up on my knees and out  

> of the tub. I now take the cordless phone into the bathroom with me  

> when I take a bath. I can see it now, calling 911 and telling them  

> I'm stuck in the bathtub and can't get out. "

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

You're right Stan! You've got to be able to laugh. It's the best medicine in the

world and it's free, with no harmful side effects.

 

Kay

[Guest guest]

That's true, Kay. When I visited my brother, I took a bath in his jet

tub or whatever you call those tubs that shoot out water. It was

really decadent.

But a nice long hot shower ain't bad!

Sue

On May 12, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Kay Wilde wrote:

> Sue,

>

> I know, but when you hurt, soaking in a long, hot bubble bath feels

> so good!!!!!

>

[Guest guest]

My problem is not the RA, because it's in excellent control. But

despite how hard I try, I can't stop old age! In August I will reach

the big 70! I think I will officially be an old lady then; can't deny

it any longer.

Sue

On May 12, 2009, at 4:17 PM, dgd301@... wrote:

>

> As soon as my doctor started me on prednisone, I could take tub

> baths with

> no problem. I'm getting older, but as long as the RA is under

> control, I

> can get out of the tub.

>

> dd

>

[Guest guest]

Buy a purple dress, red hat and celebrate survival....

Raniolo

>

> As soon as my doctor started me on prednisone, I could take tub

> baths with

> no problem. I'm getting older, but as long as the RA is under

> control, I

> can get out of the tub.

>

> dd

>

[Guest guest]

Since purple is my favorite color, I do have purple clothes. But I

don't do hats; I look too horrible in them. To celebrate survival,

though, I might have to get me a red hat and join the Red Hat Society.

Sue

On May 12, 2009, at 6:42 PM, CATHERINE RANIOLO wrote:

> Buy a purple dress, red hat and celebrate survival....

[Guest guest]

You all are too funny... You gave me my first good laugh in probably a week...

I'm 33 and my 12 year old daughter normally opens my meds for me.. LOL and

every weekend I sit at my grandmothers farm and compare aches and pains with my

75-85 year old aunts... I never thought I'd have so much in common with

them... We laugh about our survival guides often and share our new remedies for

getting through those rough days... They don't have RA or anything similar, but

they have regular arthritis and plain wear and tare as they put it...

Thank you all for sharing....

Bonnie