Hair loss

[Guest guest]

I have concerns about hair loss myself, but I am more concerned about feeling

better again.

I still have an almost full head of hair at 48, and I expect to see increased

thinning after I start TRT.

You can live with it and simply shave your head when/if the time comes, or you

can drive yourself nuts and spend yourself broke trying dozens of supplements

and shampoos.

Myself I am not into that, nor do I wish to follow some regimen where I need to

only eat this food or that food 100% of the time. I am not obsessive/compulsive

at this time and don't wish to become that way.

My personal opinion says that if there was a miracle shampoo or topical

treatment that worked,.....the person that invented it would be retired and

living in the islands somewhere with a net worth of a billion plus.

Some of this stuff might slow it down a bit, but if you are going to lose it,

you're gonna lose it.

I certainly would not use propecia myself but that's up to you.

>

> Hair loss is a big deal with me. I am on HRT at 2ml every 10 days.

> Is there something on the market that I caan take that will help save the

hair. Have been on it for a while now and the hair on my head seems to be

thinning out. Sence being on HRT I now have a very hairy chest, belly, legs, and

hair growing on my back. I neve had this much hair, but I do not want to lose

the hair on my head.

> Perscription drugs might be the ticket, but was wondering if you guys knew of

something over the counter to take oraly.

>

[Guest guest]

Well said marc I had my hair until I was 58 then on a BP med it started to fall

out I just thought it was my TRT doing this until the Dr. seen this and told me

to stop the med it was a side effect of it. Today I just get a buzz cut at my

age 66 it looks better then trying to make it look longer.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: hair loss

>

> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 1:52 PM

>

>

> I have concerns about hair loss myself, but I am more

> concerned about feeling better again.

>

> I still have an almost full head of hair at 48, and I

> expect to see increased thinning after I start TRT.

> You can live with it and simply shave your head when/if the

> time comes, or you can drive yourself nuts and spend

> yourself broke trying dozens of supplements and shampoos.

>

> Myself I am not into that, nor do I wish to follow some

> regimen where I need to only eat this food or that food 100%

> of the time. I am not obsessive/compulsive at this time and

> don't wish to become that way.

> My personal opinion says that if there was a miracle

> shampoo or topical treatment that worked,.....the person

> that invented it would be retired and living in the islands

> somewhere with a net worth of a billion plus.

>

> Some of this stuff might slow it down a bit, but if you are

> going to lose it, you're gonna lose it.

>

> I certainly would not use propecia myself but that's up to

> you.

>

>

> >

> > Hair loss is a big deal with me. I am on HRT at 2ml

> every 10 days.

> > Is there something on the market that I caan take that

> will help save the hair. Have been on it for a while now and

> the hair on my head seems to be thinning out. Sence being on

> HRT I now have a very hairy chest, belly, legs, and hair

> growing on my back. I neve had this much hair, but I do not

> want to lose the hair on my head.

> > Perscription drugs might be the ticket, but was

> wondering if you guys knew of something over the counter to

> take oraly.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,....most folks don't know all the meds that can make you lose your hair.

I used to be like this member, and worry about my hair bigtime.

The slightest loss would get me all worked up. It has actually held up quite

well, and MUCH better than I expected.

All I am saying concerning myself is that I have reached a point in life to

where I feel so bad, that my hair is the least of my concerns.

I will join you with a buzz cut if mine falls out!

Heck,....I often wear a ball cap anyway when I am outside. No big thing to me

anymore.

> > >

> > > Hair loss is a big deal with me. I am on HRT at 2ml

> > every 10 days.

> > > Is there something on the market that I caan take that

> > will help save the hair. Have been on it for a while now and

> > the hair on my head seems to be thinning out. Sence being on

> > HRT I now have a very hairy chest, belly, legs, and hair

> > growing on my back. I neve had this much hair, but I do not

> > want to lose the hair on my head.

> > > Perscription drugs might be the ticket, but was

> > wondering if you guys knew of something over the counter to

> > take oraly.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes and if you look at some men that shave there head the look better shaved

then they do with this new bed head look.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: hair loss

>

> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 2:27 PM

> Phil,....most folks don't know all

> the meds that can make you lose your hair.

>

> I used to be like this member, and worry about my hair

> bigtime.

> The slightest loss would get me all worked up. It has

> actually held up quite well, and MUCH better than I

> expected.

>

> All I am saying concerning myself is that I have reached a

> point in life to where I feel so bad, that my hair is the

> least of my concerns.

> I will join you with a buzz cut if mine falls out!

> Heck,....I often wear a ball cap anyway when I am outside.

> No big thing to me anymore.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hair loss is a big deal with me. I am on HRT

> at 2ml

> > > every 10 days.

> > > > Is there something on the market that I caan

> take that

> > > will help save the hair. Have been on it for a

> while now and

> > > the hair on my head seems to be thinning out.

> Sence being on

> > > HRT I now have a very hairy chest, belly, legs,

> and hair

> > > growing on my back. I neve had this much hair,

> but I do not

> > > want to lose the hair on my head.

> > > > Perscription drugs might be the ticket, but

> was

> > > wondering if you guys knew of something over the

> counter to

> > > take oraly.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Everybody ~

Speaking of hair loss - in 2003 I was diagnosed with RA and my pcp put me on

mtx and 15 mg of prednisone. The next thing I knew, my hair was falling out

in great bunches. We finally tracked it down to the mtx. My rheumy took me

off the prednisone very slowly and changed my prescription to Arava -which

also made me ill. I am now on Enbrel and Tylenol and Celebrex, and my RA is

under control. The hair loss seems to be permanent and I'm now toying with

the idea of getting a wig or shaving everything off.

Katriina

[Guest guest]

Katrina...I'm with you on that one. there are so many nice wigs out

there. I'm not used to all that hair though..a

In a message dated 1/6/2011 10:36:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

oknala@... writes:

Hi Everybody ~

Speaking of hair loss - in 2003 I was diagnosed with RA and my pcp put me

on

mtx and 15 mg of prednisone. The next thing I knew, my hair was falling

out

in great bunches. We finally tracked it down to the mtx. My rheumy took

me

off the prednisone very slowly and changed my prescription to Arava -which

also made me ill. I am now on Enbrel and Tylenol and Celebrex, and my RA

is

under control. The hair loss seems to be permanent and I'm now toying with

the idea of getting a wig or shaving everything off.

Katriina

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[Guest guest]

I have always loved whiffels, perfect hair cut, easy to wash and go.  I think

that will be my next step.  I just have to be brave to get one.  ha ha ha

 

Hugs,

 

Barbara

From: rascalsniche@... <rascalsniche@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Hair loss

Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:38 PM

 

Katrina...I'm with you on that one. there are so many nice wigs out

there. I'm not used to all that hair though..a

In a message dated 1/6/2011 10:36:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

oknala@... writes:

Hi Everybody ~

Speaking of hair loss - in 2003 I was diagnosed with RA and my pcp put me

on

mtx and 15 mg of prednisone. The next thing I knew, my hair was falling

out

in great bunches. We finally tracked it down to the mtx. My rheumy took

me

off the prednisone very slowly and changed my prescription to Arava -which

also made me ill. I am now on Enbrel and Tylenol and Celebrex, and my RA

is

under control. The hair loss seems to be permanent and I'm now toying with

the idea of getting a wig or shaving everything off.

Katriina

[Guest guest]

Buhner recommends implementing collagen support as part of the protocol, and one

thing he has recommended for this is a product called BioSil (interview, April

2010; " Public Health Alert " ,Vol. 5,Issue 4)

While looking for this product on Amazon, I saw that many of the reviewers

mentioned that they had bought it for hair and nails and that it worked! Several

(if the reviews are to be bel.) said that their hair thickened considerably.

I wonder if the hormonal issues Lyme can cause with the thyroid is responsible

for the hair problem. I have it also.

Maybe this could help? Good luck.

>

> Anything I can do for hair loss while going through this? I did add B12 and I

eat alot of seaweed for thyroid, some say bartonella is to blame but i haven't

tested for co-infections so don't know, may have that...

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Anything I can do for hair loss while going through this? I did add B12 and I

eat alot of seaweed for thyroid, some say bartonella is to blame but i haven't

tested for co-infections so don't know, may have that...

I'm male, so my situation my not be representative

But anyway ... for me hairloss (and itchy scalp) started within weeks after tick

byte, at the same time my EM appeared. It has gone on ever since. I tried all

Buhners suggestions and a few others like B12, and nothing helps. Didn't try

seaweed except for a short time; good idea though.

Not really surprising that supplements didn't help: my hair loss is purely on

the scalp: I lost about 80% of my hair there (it is 'thinning'). I also have

increased hair loss on the rest of my body, but it all grows back quickly, so I

don't see any change there. This is a clear indication that the hair loss (on

the scalp) is not caused by lack of certain supplements etc.

Dermatologist says it is 'age' and nothing abnormal (like all the strange

problems caused by lyme). Strange that my twin brother doesn't have all these

problems, but then you shouldn't ask these ducks complicated questions

My guess is that the problem is caused by systemic stress, to the immune system

(thyroid?) etc. Recent research traces some types os systemic hair loss to

stress in the gut, so food (or problems with processing / detox of certain

foods) might play a role. Of course coinfections could also upset your gut

and/or immune system.

[Guest guest]

knotweed,

i imagine its like you say..not lack of supplements because all my blood work

comes back good i imagine it is the lyme or coinfections...my scalp has also

itched like crazy since i have had this...i quit abx two weeks ago and noticed

even more hair loss, but i just can't be on abx they where messing me up with my

teeth turning black, gi issues and yeast/thrush and that was only after 2 months

on. The only abx that seemed to make me herx and then see some results was

flagyl,,i wonder if i only took this one a few days a week if it would be better

than all three abx at once...need to ask my doc, but the llmd here in texas is

very limited in knowledge and i pretty much have doctored myself...

> >

> > Anything I can do for hair loss while going through this? I did add B12 and

I eat alot of seaweed for thyroid, some say bartonella is to blame but i haven't

tested for co-infections so don't know, may have that...

>

> I'm male, so my situation my not be representative

>

> But anyway ... for me hairloss (and itchy scalp) started within weeks after

tick byte, at the same time my EM appeared. It has gone on ever since. I tried

all Buhners suggestions and a few others like B12, and nothing helps. Didn't try

seaweed except for a short time; good idea though.

>

> Not really surprising that supplements didn't help: my hair loss is purely on

the scalp: I lost about 80% of my hair there (it is 'thinning'). I also have

increased hair loss on the rest of my body, but it all grows back quickly, so I

don't see any change there. This is a clear indication that the hair loss (on

the scalp) is not caused by lack of certain supplements etc.

>

> Dermatologist says it is 'age' and nothing abnormal (like all the strange

problems caused by lyme). Strange that my twin brother doesn't have all these

problems, but then you shouldn't ask these ducks complicated questions

>

> My guess is that the problem is caused by systemic stress, to the immune

system (thyroid?) etc. Recent research traces some types os systemic hair loss

to stress in the gut, so food (or problems with processing / detox of certain

foods) might play a role. Of course coinfections could also upset your gut

and/or immune system.

>

[Guest guest]

I had heard thyroid and stress causes hair loss. And that sometimes there is

a delay between the event and the hair actually falling out.

Since I have added thyroid meds, Omega 3's (3/d) and biotin/silica my hair

has all but stopped falling out. And with hair down to my waist, that was

alot of plugged drains!

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of herbsilly

Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 12:48 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Hair Loss

knotweed,

i imagine its like you say..not lack of supplements because all my blood

work comes back good i imagine it is the lyme or coinfections...my scalp has

also itched like crazy since i have had this...i quit abx two weeks ago and

noticed even more hair loss, but i just can't be on abx they where messing

me up with my teeth turning black, gi issues and yeast/thrush and that was

only after 2 months on. The only abx that seemed to make me herx and then

see some results was flagyl,,i wonder if i only took this one a few days a

week if it would be better than all three abx at once...need to ask my doc,

but the llmd here in texas is very limited in knowledge and i pretty much

have doctored myself...

> >

> > Anything I can do for hair loss while going through this? I did add B12

and I eat alot of seaweed for thyroid, some say bartonella is to blame but i

haven't tested for co-infections so don't know, may have that...

>

> I'm male, so my situation my not be representative

>

> But anyway ... for me hairloss (and itchy scalp) started within weeks

after tick byte, at the same time my EM appeared. It has gone on ever since.

I tried all Buhners suggestions and a few others like B12, and nothing

helps. Didn't try seaweed except for a short time; good idea though.

>

> Not really surprising that supplements didn't help: my hair loss is purely

on the scalp: I lost about 80% of my hair there (it is 'thinning'). I also

have increased hair loss on the rest of my body, but it all grows back

quickly, so I don't see any change there. This is a clear indication that

the hair loss (on the scalp) is not caused by lack of certain supplements

etc.

>

> Dermatologist says it is 'age' and nothing abnormal (like all the strange

problems caused by lyme). Strange that my twin brother doesn't have all

these problems, but then you shouldn't ask these ducks complicated questions

>

> My guess is that the problem is caused by systemic stress, to the immune

system (thyroid?) etc. Recent research traces some types os systemic hair

loss to stress in the gut, so food (or problems with processing / detox of

certain foods) might play a role. Of course coinfections could also upset

your gut and/or immune system.

>

[Guest guest]

I think my hair loss was related to my adrenal exhaustion (due to Hormone

depletion) and maybe candida. I stopped losing hair once these two things

improved, but I haven't really gained any back.

Best,

Connie

RE: [ ] Re: Hair Loss

I had heard thyroid and stress causes hair loss. And that sometimes there is

a delay between the event and the hair actually falling out.

Since I have added thyroid meds, Omega 3's (3/d) and biotin/silica my hair

has all but stopped falling out. And with hair down to my waist, that was

alot of plugged drains!

[Guest guest]

So, Knot weed,

Are gut problems typical in Lyme/Co Infection Disease?

Anything you can suggest to tame it?

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:03 PM, knot_weed <tek0nik@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Anything I can do for hair loss while going through this? I did add B12

> and I eat alot of seaweed for thyroid, some say bartonella is to blame but i

> haven't tested for co-infections so don't know, may have that...

>

> I'm male, so my situation my not be representative

>

> But anyway ... for me hairloss (and itchy scalp) started within weeks after

> tick byte, at the same time my EM appeared. It has gone on ever since. I

> tried all Buhners suggestions and a few others like B12, and nothing helps.

> Didn't try seaweed except for a short time; good idea though.

>

> Not really surprising that supplements didn't help: my hair loss is purely

> on the scalp: I lost about 80% of my hair there (it is 'thinning'). I also

> have increased hair loss on the rest of my body, but it all grows back

> quickly, so I don't see any change there. This is a clear indication that

> the hair loss (on the scalp) is not caused by lack of certain supplements

> etc.

>

> Dermatologist says it is 'age' and nothing abnormal (like all the strange

> problems caused by lyme). Strange that my twin brother doesn't have all

> these problems, but then you shouldn't ask these ducks complicated questions

>

>

> My guess is that the problem is caused by systemic stress, to the immune

> system (thyroid?) etc. Recent research traces some types os systemic hair

> loss to stress in the gut, so food (or problems with processing / detox of

> certain foods) might play a role. Of course coinfections could also upset

> your gut and/or immune system.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Slippery Elm Bark

Goatein

Pure Synergy

I am a GURU in this dept........

JR

Re: [ ] Re: Hair Loss

> So, Knot weed,

> Are gut problems typical in Lyme/Co Infection Disease?

> Anything you can suggest to tame it?

>

> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:03 PM, knot_weed <tek0nik@...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >

>> > Anything I can do for hair loss while going through this? I did add B12

>> and I eat alot of seaweed for thyroid, some say bartonella is to blame

>> but i

>> haven't tested for co-infections so don't know, may have that...

>>

>> I'm male, so my situation my not be representative

>>

>> But anyway ... for me hairloss (and itchy scalp) started within weeks

>> after

>> tick byte, at the same time my EM appeared. It has gone on ever since. I

>> tried all Buhners suggestions and a few others like B12, and nothing

>> helps.

>> Didn't try seaweed except for a short time; good idea though.

>>

>> Not really surprising that supplements didn't help: my hair loss is

>> purely

>> on the scalp: I lost about 80% of my hair there (it is 'thinning'). I

>> also

>> have increased hair loss on the rest of my body, but it all grows back

>> quickly, so I don't see any change there. This is a clear indication that

>> the hair loss (on the scalp) is not caused by lack of certain supplements

>> etc.

>>

>> Dermatologist says it is 'age' and nothing abnormal (like all the strange

>> problems caused by lyme). Strange that my twin brother doesn't have all

>> these problems, but then you shouldn't ask these ducks complicated

>> questions

>>

>>

>> My guess is that the problem is caused by systemic stress, to the immune

>> system (thyroid?) etc. Recent research traces some types os systemic hair

>> loss to stress in the gut, so food (or problems with processing / detox

>> of

>> certain foods) might play a role. Of course coinfections could also upset

>> your gut and/or immune system.

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> i quit abx two weeks ago and noticed even more hair loss,

yes, I heard that before. Normally hair that falls out has been dead for 2-3

months, so I doubt this reaction says much. I didn't notice much difference from

ABX (or herbs) on the hair loss or itching.

My impression is that the itching comes from tiny 'grains' (some people refer to

it as 'sand in my hair'), which supposedly is small clumps of dead skin material

that is expelled from deeper inside the skin through small pores. It itches

because these small 'grains' often get stuck in the top layer of the skin. Maybe

it is a defense mechamism from the skin/connective tissue?

> The only abx that seemed to make me herx and then see some results was

flagyl,,i wonder if i only took this one a few days a week if it would be better

than all three abx at once

Flagyl is special, it is used to kill the cysts. But this is mostly theory. I'm

guessing it works by damaging Borrelia DNA, and possibly activating the Bb

prophage which kills the Borrelia (possibly in one massive 'chain-reaction'

within the tissue).

Apart from that, flagyl possibly kills some other types of bugs, so you never

know if that is why 'it is working'.

Flagyl could also damage your own DNA. The usual advice is not to use it too

long, e.g. 10 days maximum. I'm guessing that if you take it one week per month,

it is just as effective as continuously. But I would leave that decision to your

doctor.

[Guest guest]

>

> I had heard thyroid and stress causes hair loss. And that sometimes there is

> a delay between the event and the hair actually falling out.

yes, I have some thyroid issues too (bloodwork looks OK, but I'm pretty sure

something is wrong because of several years of low temperature, weight loss

etc.). Difficult to say if the stress causes the thyroid issues, or the other

way round ...

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Are gut problems typical in Lyme/Co Infection Disease?

> Anything you can suggest to tame it?

yes, I think this is very common. Use healthy (raw) food, probiotics, detox,

(more) exercise, lifestyle changes. There are probably many more options, you

have to try what works for you.

[Guest guest]

Thanks,

My hubby has been having so many gut problems and I have been trying to

convince him that most Lymies

have that problem, so I will read him your response.

Again, so appreciative.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:15 AM, knot_weed <tek0nik@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Are gut problems typical in Lyme/Co Infection Disease?

> > Anything you can suggest to tame it?

>

> yes, I think this is very common. Use healthy (raw) food, probiotics,

> detox, (more) exercise, lifestyle changes. There are probably many more

> options, you have to try what works for you.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been reading on heavy metal / mercury toxicity...and am pretty convinced

we have that issue also relating to thyroid, energy, liver, and hair

loss/thinning.

Anne

[Guest guest]

>

> I have been reading on heavy metal / mercury toxicity...and am pretty

convinced

> we have that issue also relating to thyroid, energy, liver, and hair

> loss/thinning.

probably many people in western countries suffer from more or less heavy metal

toxicity. As a result, it is difficult to say if you are really suffering from

this or if there is another issue.

In a recent TV show a large percentage (I think it was over 50%) of Germans had

too much heavy metals in their hairs, including naughty ones like Cadmium,

Mercury and Uranium (and that was before the Fukushima disaster ...).

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Gut problems are common to many of us.

Often there is protozoa involvement.

Some of the herbs that i take (we choose via muscle testing) are barberry root

(powdered capsules), amazon a-p (from rain-tree.com), meadowsweet (very soothing

and healing to the digestive tract), marshmallow, as Jay says, slippery elm,

probiotics, etc.

Many people find that dairy, wheat, acidic foods, sugar, etc. exacerbates the

gut challenges.

Charcoal is sometimes helpful for gas, bloating, pain, especially when taken

with plenty of water.

ease and peace,

yarrow

> > >

> > >

> > > Are gut problems typical in Lyme/Co Infection Disease?

> > > Anything you can suggest to tame it?

> >

> > yes, I think this is very common. Use healthy (raw) food, probiotics,

> > detox, (more) exercise, lifestyle changes. There are probably many more

> > options, you have to try what works for you.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>