Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I do not believe that childhood abuse causes RA. Kate F Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2009, at 1:06 PM, " CLORA " <clora4jesus@...> wrote: Stan......I didnt know abuse as a child cause autoimmune diseases. I was abused as a child. I see my brother found out he had RA. He was abused also. I have 2 other siblings that was abused. All to gether there is 9 siblings alive. Four of my siblings was not abused. I have ITB also and headaches. I wonder if that is from abuse from a child. My prayer has been for a cure of RA. God bless everyone. Have pain free days..................Clora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I'm not saying there is a direct line. I think it would be difficult to prove given conditions, environment, and the time periods involved. However, we do know that depression, anxiety, and stress do affect the condition of ones health. Aside from physical abuse, those things are also a result of child abuse. So I am thinking it sure doesn't help. In my own case I know stress can relate directly to when I have a flare. I also suffered some child abuse issues, not physical but it did change who I am forever. A prayer and a pain free day is a blessing in itself. Stan, Seattle, Sun! Subject: [ ] ABUSE Stan......I didnt know abuse as a child cause autoimmune diseases. I was abused as a child. I see my brother found out he had RA. He was abused also. I have 2 other siblings that was abused. All to gether there is 9 siblings alive. Four of my siblings was not abused. I have ITB also and headaches. I wonder if that is from abuse from a child. My prayer has been for a cure of RA. God bless everyone. Have pain free days..................Clora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 it causes cancer and hiv as well..... ok..ill stop being ridiculous. deb rn ---------- Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone - Re: [ ] ABUSE I do not believe that childhood abuse causes RA. Kate F Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2009, at 1:06 PM, " CLORA " <clora4jesus@...> wrote: Stan......I didnt know abuse as a child cause autoimmune diseases. I was abused as a child. I see my brother found out he had RA. He was abused also. I have 2 other siblings that was abused. All to gether there is 9 siblings alive. Four of my siblings was not abused. I have ITB also and headaches. I wonder if that is from abuse from a child. My prayer has been for a cure of RA. God bless everyone. Have pain free days..................Clora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Hugs, Stan, I'm sorry for the emotional abuse you alluded to. A lot of families really drop the ball when it comes to childrearing. I agree that stress can exacerbate any illness but I resist the causitive argument bc of my concern that RA tends to be minimizes by the uninformed and I worry that saying that x of y RA patients have been abused may lead to RA pts somehow being blamed for their illness. Kate f Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2009, at 2:18 PM, stanpfister@... wrote: I'm not saying there is a direct line. I think it would be difficult to prove given conditions, environment, and the time periods involved. However, we do know that depression, anxiety, and stress do affect the condition of ones health. Aside from physical abuse, those things are also a result of child abuse. So I am thinking it sure doesn't help. In my own case I know stress can relate directly to when I have a flare. I also suffered some child abuse issues, not physical but it did change who I am forever. A prayer and a pain free day is a blessing in itself. Stan, Seattle, Sun! Subject: [ ] ABUSE Stan......I didnt know abuse as a child cause autoimmune diseases. I was abused as a child. I see my brother found out he had RA. He was abused also. I have 2 other siblings that was abused. All to gether there is 9 siblings alive. Four of my siblings was not abused. I have ITB also and headaches. I wonder if that is from abuse from a child. My prayer has been for a cure of RA. God bless everyone. Have pain free days..................Clora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Diabetics are often blamed for their illness, LOL. Sue On Jul 10, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Kate Fair wrote: > Hugs, Stan, I'm sorry for the emotional abuse you alluded to. A lot > of families really drop the ball when it comes to childrearing. I > agree that stress can exacerbate any illness but I resist the > causitive argument bc of my concern that RA tends to be minimizes by > the uninformed and I worry that saying that x of y RA patients have > been abused may lead to RA pts somehow being blamed for their > illness. Kate f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 ..... And when a celebrity gets lung cancer, the report always includes whether the person smoked. I've also heard that lung ca pts tend to be the black sheep of ca support groups. Kate f Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2009, at 3:07 PM, marysue <marysue@...> wrote: Diabetics are often blamed for their illness, LOL. Sue On Jul 10, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Kate Fair wrote: > Hugs, Stan, I'm sorry for the emotional abuse you alluded to. A lot > of families really drop the ball when it comes to childrearing. I > agree that stress can exacerbate any illness but I resist the > causitive argument bc of my concern that RA tends to be minimizes by > the uninformed and I worry that saying that x of y RA patients have > been abused may lead to RA pts somehow being blamed for their > illness. Kate f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Exactly, I do blame x and y for my RA, those being the very same genetic markers referred to in my genetic make-up. You can get genetic make-up for buck at Walmart now. Or was that generic? Stan Subject: Re: [ ] ABUSE Hugs, Stan, I'm sorry for the emotional abuse you alluded to. A lot of families really drop the ball when it comes to childrearing.  I agree that stress can exacerbate any illness but I resist the causitive argument bc of my concern that RA tends to be minimizes by the uninformed and I worry that saying that x of y RA patients have been abused may lead to RA pts somehow being blamed for their illness. Kate f Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Hi, I am interested to follow this thread re the long term physical effects of experiencing early physical or emotional abuse. Over the past few years of reading up on Fibromyalgia & trying to find what causes it, etc, I did come across a couple of studies that demonstrated this. One in particular showed that women whose mothers had experienced significant " stress " , either physical or emotional, while pregnant with them, then went on to develop Fibromyalgia in their later life. So their conclusion was that " stress " was a significant cause of Fibromyalgia & that the earlier it occurred in life the worse it could exhibit later on. It appears that the stress experienced whilst the brain is still developing (esp. in utero) " hard wires " the brain to run wrong, i.e. fight or flight, & hence runs the body ragged with wrong messages. This sure rang bells for me as not only had my mother been extremely " stressed " during her pregnancy with me but had also then become just about " psychotic " in her treatment of me as an infant (my older sisters advised me of this when I was grown up). So I wouldn't be surprised to find in other studies that early stress could eventually trigger an " autoimmune " response such as RA as well. I will do some more researching in this regard. PJ To help the planet ~ World Society for the Protection of Animals ~ & thus also ourselves To help yourself ~ Conscious Mental Rest ~ & thus also everything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Stan, does have the same genetic markers that you have? Or is he adopted? LOL. Sue On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:16 PM, stanpfister@... wrote: > Exactly, I do blame x and y for my RA, those being the very same > genetic markers referred to in my genetic make-up. You can > get genetic make-up for buck at Walmart now. Or was that generic? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I would think that would be some difficult research to do. Stan Subject: [ ] Re: ABUSE Hi, I am interested to follow this thread re the long term physical effects of experiencing early physical or emotional abuse.  Over the past few years of reading up on Fibromyalgia & trying to find what causes it, etc, I did come across a couple of studies that demonstrated this.  One in particular showed that women whose mothers had experienced significant " stress " , either physical or emotional, while pregnant with them, then went on to develop Fibromyalgia in their later life.  So their conclusion was that " stress " was a significant cause of Fibromyalgia & that the earlier it occurred in life the worse it could exhibit later on.  It appears that the stress experienced whilst the brain is still developing (esp. in utero) " hard wires " the brain to run wrong, i.e. fight or flight, & hence runs the body ragged with wrong messages. This sure rang bells for me as not only had my mother been extremely " stressed " during her pregnancy with me but had also then become just about " psychotic " in her treatment of me as an infant (my older sisters advised me of this when I was grown up). So I wouldn't be surprised to find in other studies that early stress could eventually trigger an " autoimmune " response such as RA as well.  I will do some more researching in this regard. PJ To help the planet ~ World Society for the Protection of Animals ~ & thus also ourselves To help yourself ~ Conscious Mental Rest ~ & thus also everything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 After extensive and prolonged DNA testing he discovered his roots are somewhere from a sheep farm in Birmingham, England. They couldn't pull the wool over his eyes! Ha ha ha ha. Stan Subject: Re: [ ] ABUSE Stan, does have the same genetic markers that you have? Or is  he adopted? LOL. Sue On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:16 PM, stanpfister@... wrote: > Exactly, I do blame x and y for my RA, those being the very same  > genetic markers referred to in my genetic make-up. You can  > get genetic make-up for buck at Walmart now. Or was that generic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Yeah - esp. seeing as I am limited to only accessing information that can fit thru my laptop window PJ From: stanpfister@... Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ABUSE I would think that would be some difficult research to do. Stan Subject: [ ] Re: ABUSE Hi, I am interested to follow this thread re the long term physical effects of experiencing early physical or emotional abuse. Over the past few years of reading up on Fibromyalgia & trying to find what causes it, etc, I did come across a couple of studies that demonstrated this. One in particular showed that women whose mothers had experienced significant " stress " , either physical or emotional, while pregnant with them, then went on to develop Fibromyalgia in their later life. So their conclusion was that " stress " was a significant cause of Fibromyalgia & that the earlier it occurred in life the worse it could exhibit later on. It appears that the stress experienced whilst the brain is still developing (esp. in utero) " hard wires " the brain to run wrong, i.e. fight or flight, & hence runs the body ragged with wrong messages. This sure rang bells for me as not only had my mother been extremely " stressed " during her pregnancy with me but had also then become just about " psychotic " in her treatment of me as an infant (my older sisters advised me of this when I was grown up). So I wouldn't be surprised to find in other studies that early stress could eventually trigger an " autoimmune " response such as RA as well. I will do some more researching in this regard. PJ To help the planet ~ World Society for the Protection of Animals ~ & thus also ourselves To help yourself ~ Conscious Mental Rest ~ & thus also everything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Stan, you crack me up!! It is generic, but I think they quit selling x and y.....Doreen Exactly, I do blame x and y for my RA, those being the very same genetic markers referred to in my genetic make-up. You can get genetic make-up for buck at Walmart now. Or was that generic? Stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Merthotraxate does that to me, there is some mental confusion associated with the medication. I was telling my GP be about it, and he said that was interesting, he hadn't heard of that before. Point being, that he didn't argue with me about. On the other hand, my rheumatologist said flatly, " no it doesn't! " Stan Seattle, partly darkly. Subject: Fw: [ ] Re: ABUSE That does sound interesting Stan - now if I only had enough " brain power " to do it all too (within this lifetime) - ha ha! - my brain fogs over after about 15 minutes of reading so then I have to take a break for about 30 minutes to power up again (so is that a little like " one step forward & two steps back " ) PJ From: stanpfister@... Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ABUSE There are ways to do research on the Internet and libraries you can access if you're really interested. Of course, some of it cost money and they just don't allow anyone get into these sites. could probably give you some tips on how do approach research. She showed me there's more than just porn on the Internet, amazing! Stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 The Enbrel is messing with me- a fairly loud ringing in my ears (to where I have to ask people to repeat stuff often!) and is causing me to have a really bad mood. My Rheumy says that he has never heard of these problems. Grrrr. Anyone else? D. in hot, hot, hot south Louisiana > > > > Merthotraxate does that to me, there is some mental confusion associated with the medication. I was telling my GP be about it, and he said that was interesting, he hadn't heard of that before. Point being, that he didn't argue with me about. On the other hand, my rheumatologist said flatly, " no it doesn't! " > > > > Stan > > Seattle, partly darkly. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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