Newbie question

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/25/01 4:25:30 PM Central Daylight Time,

coloradocasons@... writes:

> Anyone else have pain with typing?

Unfortunately YES. I don't have pitted nails and because I am taking iron

supplements my nails are much stronger and therefore thicker so when I type

my nails often hit against the keyboard wrong (and they aren't even long) and

it's like electroshock. But when I'm not typing they feel really strange-I

could feel my pulse in each fingertip and my fingers really aren't too

swollen now. It comes and goes but when it comes it does a really good job

of hurting. When I was first diagnosed with psoriatic I only had the P on my

elbows and knees. Then it spread pretty rapidly to my entire surface of both

legs, to my arms here and there, to my head, to my ears, to my stomach and

rear. It took 5 years for this spread to go full force before I finally

started seeing a psyche who prescribed Zoloft which has been a wonder. The P

literally vanished and has been away but the pain was continuing to get worse

and when I started plaquenil and arava it seems like the P is coming back

but not as bad yet. I haven't asked the RD if either of these treatments

aggravates psoriasis somehow but as far as I'm concerned it does.

Hope you get relief soon.

Chicagoland Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane

Welcome to the PA site. My daughter has been newly

diagnosed with PA and she probably has undiagnosed

Psoriasis in her fingertips. They are always painful,

red and the skin splits and bleeds. She often finds it

so painful that it is hard to type yet every

doctor/naturopath we have pointed it out to just seem

to ignore it. She doesn't suffer any other form of

Psoriasis but i have a mild form and there is a family

history of Psoriasis.

This site is wonderful. You will find so much

information and realise you are not alone.

Take care

Sue

--- coloradocasons@... wrote:

> Hi all,

> This is a great site and I'm glad I found you all.

> I've had chronic

> back pain for 16 years, diagnosed with psoriasis 11

> years ago,

> arthritis about 3 years ago and this month a new doc

> has helped me

> pinpoint PA. Today I found this site and have so

> many questions.

>

> I only have very mild psoriasis on elbows and knees.

> Probably my

> scalp, too, since I have all the symptoms and

> psoriasis shampoos help

> me the most. I have only one or two nail pits, but

> this week my

> finger tips are killing me.

>

> Anyone else have pain with typing? How about a

> feeling of pain under

> the nails that comes and goes? Or a feeling of

> tight skin under the

> nails?

>

> Thanks,

> Diane

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/26/2001 12:01:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

momscmbc@... writes:

<< Anyone else have pain with typing? >>

Only slightly - but I have another question regarding hands - ever since I

was a child, the very tips of my finger (the last joint) has been bent

backwards slightly - not too noticable on forefinger or pinkie, but the

middle two fingers bend backwards and slightly to the side when I hold my

hand up straight. It's almost like the joints aren't fully fused because

with a slight pressure, I can bend them backwards as far as a 90 degree angle

to my finger. I had them xrayed as a kid and the doctors didn't find

anything. I'm wondering if my strange " rubber fingers " are somehow connected

to PA?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/26/2001 12:24:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

satyab6@... writes:

<< Psoriasis in her fingertips. They are always painful,

red and the skin splits and bleeds. She often finds it

so painful that it is hard to type >>

Sue - mine get like that in winter. OTC Cortisone OINTMENT (not cream) and a

bandaid seem to help especially while typing or writing (it hurts for me to

hold a pen or pencil then too), but nothing seems to take it away for me

except the summer weather. Make sure she always wears gloves in the winter

when outside too.

[Guest guest]

I don't really have the pitted nails or anything....My skin does split easily

and I always have cracks around my fingers in my skin and there are times I get

a itch on my hand that wont stop or when I try to type for long periods of time

or use the mouse it kills me and my hand numbs up and tingles...So I have to

exercise it every little bit... Pam

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Pam -- When I used a mouse for any length of time, like you, my whole

wrist and hand would seize up and hurt. I switched from a regular keyboard and

mouse to a Cirque glide-path keyboard. You operate the " mouse " with just the tip

of a finger, and it's really easy. The keyboard is one of those ergonomically

set up ones that is curved and it has a

built-in wrist rest. It seems to work really well for me. The company also sells

just the glide track, if you are committed to keeping your regular keyboard.

Anyway, I really recommend the glide-path/track type of " mouse " . -- Jan O',

Alaska

pam northam wrote:

> I don't really have the pitted nails or anything....My skin does split easily

and I always have cracks around my fingers in my skin and there are times I get

a itch on my hand that wont stop or when I try to type for long periods of time

or use the mouse it kills me and my hand numbs up and tingles...So I have to

exercise it every little bit... Pam

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

I have a Logitech Cordless Desktop Pro keyboard that's " curved " and

find that it's much easier on the wrists. It's takes a few days to

get used to, but once you're accustomed to it you'll never use any

thing else.

Also, I have the motion settings on my wheel mouse adjusted pretty

high, so that mostly I just plant the " butt " of my hand on the

mousepad (which is an Everglide by the way) and move the mouse with

my fingers with very little (if any) wrist or arm movement. I think

it's much easier to use that way and certainly much less fatiguing,

since no arm or wrist muscles are involved.

-- Ron

> Hi again, Pam -- When I used a mouse for any length of time, like

you, my whole wrist and hand would seize up and hurt. I switched from

a regular keyboard and mouse to a Cirque glide-path keyboard. You

operate the " mouse " with just the tip of a finger, and it's really

easy. The keyboard is one of those ergonomically set up ones that is

curved and it has a

> built-in wrist rest. It seems to work really well for me. The

company also sells just the glide track, if you are committed to

keeping your regular keyboard. Anyway, I really recommend the glide-

path/track type of " mouse " . -- Jan O', Alaska

>

[Guest guest]

Jan, Hey...I have that type of mouse where you just use your one finger and my

hand still does that...It is strange... Who knows maybe it is just bad in

that hand?? Thanks for the info though... Pam

Jan <wizard@...> wrote: Hi again, Pam -- When I used a mouse for any

length of time, like you, my whole wrist and hand would seize up and hurt. I

switched from a regular keyboard and mouse to a Cirque glide-path keyboard. You

operate the " mouse " with just the tip of a finger, and it's really easy. The

keyboard is one of those ergonomically set up ones that is curved and it has a

built-in wrist rest. It seems to work really well for me. The company also sells

just the glide track, if you are committed to keeping your regular keyboard.

Anyway, I really recommend the glide-path/track type of " mouse " . -- Jan O',

Alaska

pam northam wrote:

> I don't really have the pitted nails or anything....My skin does split easily

and I always have cracks around my fingers in my skin and there are times I get

a itch on my hand that wont stop or when I try to type for long periods of time

or use the mouse it kills me and my hand numbs up and tingles...So I have to

exercise it every little bit... Pam

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

- Why not just entirely remove casein?

-Liz P

Newbie Question

Hello Everyone,

Our 4.5 year old son has Aspergers, and we plan to start on

gf diet supplemented with enzyme(possibly pep).

He would be on areduced casein diet(no milk, only cheese 3 times

aweek)

These are our problem areas

(1)Wakes up in a bad mood

(2)Fatigued most of the time

(3)grinds teeth all night.

(4)red ears

(5)pipley eruptions(non red) on face and butt

(6)Stimming

(7)Oral fixation

He is allergic to raisins and apple juice.

Is our approach ok, i understand we might have to adjust

as we move on with the diet.What supplements i need to add?

i understand i need to be slow in adding supplements.

i recently started giving him sugarless gum for oral fixation.

can this problematic?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

We currently have a heavy on gluten diet, which in itself would be

the main task to remove from his diet. He does not like milk, that

easy, but sometimes he likes to have cheese.

Moreover I suspect the main culprits in his diet are phenols and

glutein becoz his development went haywire from 7 months when we added

juice and gluten to his diet.

BTW he is more hyper after having apple juice than having apple, i am

not able to figure out why?

> - Why not just entirely remove casein?

>

[Guest guest]

> These are our problem areas

> (1)Wakes up in a bad mood

> (2)Fatigued most of the time

> (4)red ears

These are symptoms of phenol intolerance. Most kids are hyper but

some are constantly fatigued.

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Milk is the worst offender, along with artificials, so you might find

that enzymes help with this, or you might find that they do not.

Consider No-Fenol

http://www.houstonni.com/

> (3)grinds teeth all night.

Magnesium. Also a sign of metal toxicity

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

> (5)pipley eruptions(non red) on face and butt

Food intolerance and/or yeast issue

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> (6)Stimming

Food and/or supplement intolerance, metals.

> (7)Oral fixation

One of my kids is VERY oral if he eats a food/supplement he does not

tolerate, or if he has a yeast or bacteria issue.

>

> He is allergic to raisins and apple juice.

These are phenols and also feed yeast.

>

> Is our approach ok,

Sounds good to me.

i understand we might have to adjust

> as we move on with the diet.What supplements i need to add?

> i understand i need to be slow in adding supplements.

One at a time, to see if he tolerates them and whether they are doing

good, bad, or indifferent.

>

> i recently started giving him sugarless gum for oral fixation.

> can this problematic?

Depends on your point of view. Is it gfcf? Does it contains

artificials that might cause a phenol or other problem?

Dana

[Guest guest]

You are right about going slow on supplements. Whatever you try,

don't start it all at once or you won't know what is working or not

working. If you are one of the lucky ones, you may find enzymes are

helpful and you may not have to remove any foods, or maybe only a few

foods.

My son always woke up in a bad mood before enzymes. I never knew to

what degree of angry he would be in. Actually, my son had everything

on your list except #7. All these were helped with enzymes:

Peptizyde, Zyme Prime and No-Fenol. You can read my son's story at

www.enzymestory.com. He is 9, Asperger's.

> Hello Everyone,

> Our 4.5 year old son has Aspergers, and we plan to start on

> gf diet supplemented with enzyme(possibly pep).

> He would be on areduced casein diet(no milk, only cheese 3 times

> aweek)

>

> These are our problem areas

> (1)Wakes up in a bad mood

> (2)Fatigued most of the time

> (3)grinds teeth all night.

> (4)red ears

> (5)pipley eruptions(non red) on face and butt

> (6)Stimming

> (7)Oral fixation

>

> He is allergic to raisins and apple juice.

>

> Is our approach ok, i understand we might have to adjust

> as we move on with the diet.What supplements i need to add?

> i understand i need to be slow in adding supplements.

>

> i recently started giving him sugarless gum for oral fixation.

> can this problematic?

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

I also think most of these things you describe are related to phenol

intolerance. The No-Fenol works wonders for phenol intolerance in

actual food (it appears to be somewhat less consistently effective

on chemical additives). The raisins, apple juice and milk also are

consistent with a phenol intolerance, which is actually very common.

magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) may help with this along with the

enzymes.

www.enzymestuff.com/epsomsalts.htm

The Peptizyde can help with casein/gluten if you want to go that

way. A broad-spectrum enzymes may help across the board for most

foods.

You might also consider removing high salicylate foods, artifical

colorings, flavorings and preservatives, if he is getting much. This

is the Feingold program which specifically targets the phenol issue.

You can start removing or reducing what you can and see if it helps.

www.enzymestuff.com/dietsfg.htm

Even check your dairy products and grain products. It may be that he

is having trouble with a preservative in the product and it is not

the actual dairy and grains he is intolerant of. Some people with

phenol intolerances find if they switch to products without these

additives, they have no problem at all with the dairy and grains.

Avoid dairy with vitamin A palmitate or artificial ingredients on

the label.

.

[Guest guest]

Serenaid was Mark 1, Peptizyde in Mark 2 improved version Great stuff.

You may see some adjustments when you start but they should be mild given the

Sereniad and the diet.

s site has lots of info

_www.enzymestuff.com_ (http://www.enzymestuff.com)

The book is great too

Mandi in UK

I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone could tell me the

difference between Serenaid and Peptizyde.

[Guest guest]

Do NOT start chelation with any mercury in your mouth.

S

<tt>

hi<BR>

From reading the posts of this board for an hour i have come to the <BR>

conclusion that i need to purchase dmsa plus ala plus a multivitamin.  Apart

from the <BR>

multivitamin, does anyone know a good source of these things in the united <BR>

kingdom?<BR>

<BR>

Then once i have the above things the protocol should be -<BR>

<BR>

50 mg DMSA + 25 mg LA* every 3 hours for 3 days (and the intervening

nights),<BR>

then skip at least 4 days and repeat.<BR>

    <BR>

Is this correct?<BR>

<BR>

I;ve also had removed all my amalgum fillings apart from one.  Would it be <BR>

dangerous to start chelation with this one amalgum still in place underneath a

<BR>

crown?<BR>

<BR>

Richy<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

[Guest guest]

> From reading the posts of this board for an hour i have come to the

> conclusion that i need to purchase dmsa plus ala plus a multivitamin.

I think a reasoable concuslion would be that you first hvae to spend

several more hours reading the FAQ, Andy index, and other things in the

files section and thinking about them before deciding what to do.

Andy . . . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

_www.kirkmanlabs.com_ (http://www.kirkmanlabs.com) you have to ring for

the DMSA - Thorne Captomer is the brand - about £40 for 45 caps. They do

Kirkman ALA which is listed under Kirkman brand as Lipoic Acid - but you can

probably get it much cheaper if you split caps. You can buy 25mg Kirkman ones.

HTH

Mandi in UK

From reading the posts of this board for an hour i have come to the

conclusion that i need to purchase dmsa plus ala plus a multivitamin. Apart

from the

multivitamin, does anyone know a good source of these things in the united

kingdom?

[Guest guest]

My son, almost six, was slow to start talking, but his speech was not the

focus of our concern initially - his significantly delayed fine and gross motor

skills were. In fact, when he was first assessed by a developmental

pediatrician last January, her report noted that his speech was " an area of

relative

strength. " She also told us at the appointment that he presented with oral

apraxia, but that didn't appear in the report. No mention whatsoever of verbal

apraxia. When he was younger, frequently mispronounced words that he

was able to pronounce correctly a few days earlier. He does that less now, and

can speak in fairly long sentences, but there are definitely periods of

" groping " and two recent speech assessments described his speech as breaking

down

when he spoke in longer sentences. We've had two assessments and while both

noted oral and verbal apraxia, they also clarified that he had a " mild " case.

I think they rated his intelligibility at somwhere between 65-75% overall.

Meanwhile, his gross motor skills are now significantly improved, but he

remains extremely impaired with fine motor work.

Hope this helps give a better picture of what " mild " apraxia might look like.

[Guest guest]

>>It was just one that was suggested

> by our friend at the local health store. We have been giving her

2-3 a day

> with meals for the past week.

> The question that I have is how long is normal before we should see any

> improvememt?

Sometimes right away, other times 3-4 weeks.

> Could this be happening because of the enzymes or is it just wishfull

> thinking?

It can be the enzymes.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm sure you've probably received many replies by now, but I'm several days

behind in reading posts.

For us, we saw dramatic changes about 3 days into the enzymes. Initially, they

were changes in vocabulary - talking more, expressing emotions, speaking

clearer. About 5 days into it, we had major meltdowns, hypersensitivity to

EVERYTHING (especially sound), crying spells, and just wanting to be held 24x7.

It probably didn't help that I started enzymes just before leaving on vacation!

Stupid Mommy!

That lasted for about 10 days to 2 weeks. After that, the hypersensitivity

decreased but still seemed " off. " We later discovered the enzymes we

were giving him (Digest by Enzymedica) contained something he may be intolerant

to. We switched him to Trienza, went through about 4 days of hypersensitivity,

and then he mellowed out. has issues with phenolic foods, so I tried to

incorporate No-Fenol with the Trienza (which Trienza contains about 1/2 of the

same phenol-reducing enzymes) but that was a disaster. We're now doing Digest

Gold with 1 No-Fenol (spread over 4 meals) and are having pretty good luck with

that.

It's difficult there's not an precise recipe for what works for each child (and

why-oh-why didn't they come with instruction manuals?). It seems to me like

whatever you have her on is working for Micki. Keep it up! BTW - read your

novel - Micki is VERY lucky to have such a loving family. Without you, your

wife and Micki's grandparents, who knows where she'd be.

Dana C. (One of many Dana's)

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " Wilhelm " <mickisdaddy@...>

Hello all,

I am new to the whole enzymes thing, but I have a question. If you want the

whole background you can read the novel that I just posted.

We just started our severely Autistic daughter on a broad spectrum emzyme

supplement. I can't remember the brand. It was just one that was suggested

by our friend at the local health store. We have been giving her 2-3 a day

with meals for the past week.

The question that I have is how long is normal before we should see any

improvememt? The reason I say this is Micki seems a little more calm. She

has even sat down of her own choice for 15-20 minutes recently. " Normally "

she is constant pacing. Walking back and forth between the living room and

her bedroom. The other thing is last night we had a friend and her five

kids over. Usually there would be at least one incident of her wacking at

one of the kids (they are all smaller than her). We did not see one

incident of that happening. In fact she took our friend's daughter's hand

on the trampoline a couple of times.

Could this be happening because of the enzymes or is it just wishfull

thinking?

--

Thanks in advance

And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we

prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our

children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their

sins.

(Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:26)

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the reply and kind words. Micki is more than worth it.

She is such a loving girl. I really appreciate everyone's responses.

We are new to the whole bio-med/enzymes thing. We are going to give the

enzymes we have been trying for a couple of months. We have already seen

some changes. Micki is more calm. She will sit for 15 minutes or so

(something she has never done unless she is really tired. We have also seen

a small change in her stools (for the better).

We don't have a whole lot of money (the wife is going back to school this

fall), so we can't afford to see a DAN doctor. So we are relying on the

knowledge of others to help us in this.

Thanks again and keep up the hard work with your kiddos, they are so worth

whatever you do for them.

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:25 PM, <preemiemom0703@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> I'm sure you've probably received many replies by now, but I'm several days

> behind in reading posts.

>

> For us, we saw dramatic changes about 3 days into the enzymes. Initially,

> they were changes in vocabulary - talking more, expressing emotions,

> speaking clearer. About 5 days into it, we had major meltdowns,

> hypersensitivity to EVERYTHING (especially sound), crying spells, and just

> wanting to be held 24x7. It probably didn't help that I started enzymes just

> before leaving on vacation! Stupid Mommy!

>

> That lasted for about 10 days to 2 weeks. After that, the hypersensitivity

> decreased but still seemed " off. " We later discovered the enzymes we

> were giving him (Digest by Enzymedica) contained something he may be

> intolerant to. We switched him to Trienza, went through about 4 days of

> hypersensitivity, and then he mellowed out. has issues with phenolic

> foods, so I tried to incorporate No-Fenol with the Trienza (which Trienza

> contains about 1/2 of the same phenol-reducing enzymes) but that was a

> disaster. We're now doing Digest Gold with 1 No-Fenol (spread over 4 meals)

> and are having pretty good luck with that.

>

> It's difficult there's not an precise recipe for what works for each child

> (and why-oh-why didn't they come with instruction manuals?). It seems to me

> like whatever you have her on is working for Micki. Keep it up! BTW - read

> your novel - Micki is VERY lucky to have such a loving family. Without you,

> your wife and Micki's grandparents, who knows where she'd be.

>

> Dana C. (One of many Dana's)

>

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " Wilhelm " <mickisdaddy@... <mickisdaddy%40gmail.com>>

> Hello all,

>

> I am new to the whole enzymes thing, but I have a question. If you want the

> whole background you can read the novel that I just posted.

>

> We just started our severely Autistic daughter on a broad spectrum emzyme

> supplement. I can't remember the brand. It was just one that was suggested

> by our friend at the local health store. We have been giving her 2-3 a day

> with meals for the past week.

>

> The question that I have is how long is normal before we should see any

> improvememt? The reason I say this is Micki seems a little more calm. She

> has even sat down of her own choice for 15-20 minutes recently. " Normally "

> she is constant pacing. Walking back and forth between the living room and

> her bedroom. The other thing is last night we had a friend and her five

> kids over. Usually there would be at least one incident of her wacking at

> one of the kids (they are all smaller than her). We did not see one

> incident of that happening. In fact she took our friend's daughter's hand

> on the trampoline a couple of times.

>

> Could this be happening because of the enzymes or is it just wishfull

> thinking?

>

> --

> Thanks in advance

>

>

> And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we

> prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our

> children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their

> sins.

> (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:26)

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I think that different people definitely

take different lengths of time to heal up on the GAPS diet. We have seen

tons of improvement and have been on it for just over a year. Our

situation does not necessarily involve psychological symptoms, just skin and

gut reactions. Some people do heal up after just a year, and that was my

original hope. My thought process has just changed overtime in terms of how

long healing will take. Originally, I was very much concerned that it not

take a full year, but now our lifestyle is just different and in general it doesn’t

feel painful or hard anymore. I recommend the book, “Breaking the

Vicious Cycle” by Elaine Gotschall. It was much less overwhelming

for me and better organized than the GAPS book, though I think both are great.

The processes are practically the same, though the GAPS book focuses more on

whole and fermented foods.

I don’t break my bones before I make

stock. I freeze the leftover carcass or bones and juices from chicken and

turkey I’ve cooked and I supplement those bones with chicken wings I buy

at Whole Foods. I have a HUGE stock pot because we drink so much of

it. I thaw any frozen bones completely, cover all the bones and wings

with filtered water and bring it to a simmer on low on my stove. My stove

doesn’t maintain a simmer very well, so I actually bake my stock at 190

in the oven, but I get a pretty great gelatinous stock without much pain!

My son doesn’t tolerate celery or onion, so we actually make straight bone

stock without any veggies. The chicken tastes better this way than the

beef.

As for beef or lamb stock, it is the same

process, just with different bones. We love roast lamb, so I save the leg

bones from that in the freezer and thaw it all when I’m ready. Our

meat counter at Whole Foods is great, so I am able to ask them to save me lamb

bones a few days in advance and sometimes they even give me some for

free! I don’t break my bones up whatsoever-I just cook the stock

for a long time: 24 hours for chicken and 24-48 for beef or lamb. I

am not terribly grossed out by bones and they are usually cleaner to deal with

than the meat itself is! I don’t love the process of straining it

and putting it all away, but by then I’ve invested enough time that the

liquid is precious to me and I just do it! (Thankfully, my husband

helps!)

My son will drink stock because he just

always has had it in his diet, however there are a few pureed soups that he

loves, loves loves! I make him butternut-pear soup by cooking a peeled

and cut butternut squash and a peeled and sliced pear in stock and then

pureeing it. It is one of his favorite treats! He also loves a

pureed beet “borscht” that is pretty much just beets and a few

carrots cooked in stock. Or I use leftover beets and heat them in the stock

before pureeing. He loves just stock and beets pureed together but you

can put onion and even cabbage in the soup as well as beets and carrots if you

want. The beet soup is great with beef stock! Of course, traditional

chicken soup made with stock is sooo good and much better than anything I’ve

ever had before!

If you have any more questions I would be

happy to help you. I hope and pray that you get some good answers and

that you see some clear results or improvement to encourage you as you go!

Traci

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of zerok1980

Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009

8:59 PM

To:

Subject: [ ] newbie

question

Hi all. My name is and I strongly suspect my 3

year old is

suffering from leaky gut symptoms. Someone recommend the GAPS diet to

me, but after reading through the intro I'm really freaking out here.

*I* am an extremely picky eater and I get grossed out in the kitchen

relatively easily. When I got to " go to the butcher, get bones, boil

into a broth, bang bones on counter to get the marrow out " it was just

too much. I'm not sure I can make this stuff. let's not even go there

as far as getting the kids to eat it...

How do I do this? I'm all about eating whole foods and am getting to

the point I'd rather make things in our homes than eat processed

foods. But I feel like I'm jumping off the deep end here. Please help.

How soon do you see results with the GAPS diet? I got the serious

impression from the GAPS diet website that this could be a 2+ year

diet. Any suggestions?

TIA

[Guest guest]

So if you happen to be in Silicon Valley, this place cooks Sally

Fallon/Gaps style.

If not - get a pressure cooker (Fagor makes nice ones - I found this

one on sale last summer for 1/2:

http://www.pressurecookerworld.com/snowcone/store/1015809/front/1769477/product/\

1671180/)

If you cook the bones in the pressure cooker, you can make soup that

makes the bones super soft and leaches out most of the good stuff into

the broth in short order. You are trying to make broth that gels when

cooled. If you can't " bang bones " then you do the next best thing.

Remember that what you can do will be a great improvement (in most

cases) over what you are doing now.

Word to the wise: be sure to get organic meat/bones, and if you can,

grass fed and free range (makes a huge difference). Since you are

boiling the heck out of the bones to get all the good stuff, you'll

also be leaching out all the bad stuff from commercial meat.

Hope this helps.

>

> Hi all. My name is and I strongly suspect my 3 year old is

> suffering from leaky gut symptoms. Someone recommend the GAPS diet to

> me, but after reading through the intro I'm really freaking out here.

> *I* am an extremely picky eater and I get grossed out in the kitchen

> relatively easily. When I got to " go to the butcher, get bones, boil

> into a broth, bang bones on counter to get the marrow out " it was just

> too much. I'm not sure I can make this stuff. let's not even go there

> as far as getting the kids to eat it...

>

> How do I do this? I'm all about eating whole foods and am getting to

> the point I'd rather make things in our homes than eat processed

> foods. But I feel like I'm jumping off the deep end here. Please help.

> How soon do you see results with the GAPS diet? I got the serious

> impression from the GAPS diet website that this could be a 2+ year

> diet. Any suggestions?

>

> TIA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you! I don’t have a source for organic cows or chickens,

but I do know a man who has free range/antibiotic free water buffalo so I’ll

call him.

I slowly am getting over the “yuckiness” factor since I have a Ziploc

bag of chicken bones in my freezer right now. I feel a lot less wasteful

knowing I can put them to use when they would have been thrown away before. I

will also try the pressure cooker as well.

From:

[mailto: ] On

Behalf Of krysia.hunter

Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:36 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: newbie question

So if you happen to be in Silicon Valley, this

place cooks Sally

Fallon/Gaps style.

If not - get a pressure cooker (Fagor makes nice ones - I found this

one on sale last summer for 1/2:

http://www.pressurecookerworld.com/snowcone/store/1015809/front/1769477/product/1671180/)

If you cook the bones in the pressure cooker, you can make soup that

makes the bones super soft and leaches out most of the good stuff into

the broth in short order. You are trying to make broth that gels when

cooled. If you can't " bang bones " then you do the next best thing.

Remember that what you can do will be a great improvement (in most

cases) over what you are doing now.

Word to the wise: be sure to get organic meat/bones, and if you can,

grass fed and free range (makes a huge difference). Since you are

boiling the heck out of the bones to get all the good stuff, you'll

also be leaching out all the bad stuff from commercial meat.

Hope this helps.

>

> Hi all. My name is and I strongly suspect my 3 year old is

> suffering from leaky gut symptoms. Someone recommend the GAPS diet to

> me, but after reading through the intro I'm really freaking out here.

> *I* am an extremely picky eater and I get grossed out in the kitchen

> relatively easily. When I got to " go to the butcher, get bones, boil

> into a broth, bang bones on counter to get the marrow out " it was

just

> too much. I'm not sure I can make this stuff. let's not even go there

> as far as getting the kids to eat it...

>

> How do I do this? I'm all about eating whole foods and am getting to

> the point I'd rather make things in our homes than eat processed

> foods. But I feel like I'm jumping off the deep end here. Please help.

> How soon do you see results with the GAPS diet? I got the serious

> impression from the GAPS diet website that this could be a 2+ year

> diet. Any suggestions?

>

> TIA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I haven't been on this group long and haven't had a lot of time to read

everything I should. My husband is 44 years old and was recently diagnosed with

RA. Since then they put him on Metho (he just took his 4th dose),

prednisone(which they don't want to give him but it helps him), Celebrex, and

folic acid. He is also taking tramadol for the pain, which doesn't do him much

good and lyrica. The metho gives him terrible pain and fatigue the next day. I

Have read bad things about the methotrexate with regards to liver problems. I

also read that you shouldn't take Celebrex with the methotrexate. Do they mean

on the same day or just not at all? Also, I got a book from the library that

had very good reviews. IT is called the New ARthritis breakthrough by Henry

Scammell. It is an antibiotic therapy in which Minocyline is given. Has anyone

tried or know about this. I have not read very much yet but it sounds

promising. I would be willing to try anything instead of him taking all these

other meds that cause so many problems down the road. Thanks all and I

appreciate everyone's input. It's great to be a part of this group.

laurenh33