Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 I've used KW, CC, andrographis, Milk thistle and dandelion all from ichinese with great success. My system likes the liquid CC better, so I swop between CC and wormwood in the liquid form. Are you concerned about making capsules? _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of purpleheartmom Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:57 PM Subject: [ ] newbie question I am having a hard time figuring out what to order. I need to treat myself and my two teenagers - abx didn't work for any of us. Maybe the added complication of corn and soy allergy could have hindered the effectiveness of the abx or it could be because we had gone undiagnosed for so long. Anyway, I need to start with the most cost effective treatment possible and looking to increase and/or add as finances allow. My biggest fear is ordering $100 worth of herbs and having them contaminated with corn additives (all conventional Rx and OTC meds contain them) rendering them useless to us. Is there anyone here with a corn allergy that could advise me? Also, is there anyone here with a severely limited budget trying to treat three family members at the same time? I started looking at 1st Chinese Herbs, but they give remarkably little information about the products so I can't imagine how anyone can be sure they are ordering the right thing. I am assuming that making capsules from Andrographis because of the bitterness and taking with food all the others would be cheapest. Am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Try the Green Dragon Botanicals. They have all of Buhners herbs in one capsules. It is $55 for 300 plus capsules and Buhner worked with him to put the capsules together. I just ordered my first bottle. Â Much easier than taking a gazillion other herbs. However, you do need to work up to 4 capsules 3 x a day.Diane From: <wilson33@...> Subject: RE: [ ] newbie question Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 11:18 AM Â I've used KW, CC, andrographis, Milk thistle and dandelion all from ichinese with great success. My system likes the liquid CC better, so I swop between CC and wormwood in the liquid form. Are you concerned about making capsules? _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of purpleheartmom Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:57 PM Subject: [ ] newbie question I am having a hard time figuring out what to order. I need to treat myself and my two teenagers - abx didn't work for any of us. Maybe the added complication of corn and soy allergy could have hindered the effectiveness of the abx or it could be because we had gone undiagnosed for so long. Anyway, I need to start with the most cost effective treatment possible and looking to increase and/or add as finances allow. My biggest fear is ordering $100 worth of herbs and having them contaminated with corn additives (all conventional Rx and OTC meds contain them) rendering them useless to us. Is there anyone here with a corn allergy that could advise me? Also, is there anyone here with a severely limited budget trying to treat three family members at the same time? I started looking at 1st Chinese Herbs, but they give remarkably little information about the products so I can't imagine how anyone can be sure they are ordering the right thing. I am assuming that making capsules from Andrographis because of the bitterness and taking with food all the others would be cheapest. Am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Hey Diane, Green Dragon Botanicals have no infoon their webpage. How did you manage toorder? From: <wilson33@...> Subject: RE: [ ] newbie question Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 11:18 AM Â I've used KW, CC, andrographis, Milk thistle and dandelion all from ichinese with great success. My system likes the liquid CC better, so I swop between CC and wormwood in the liquid form. Are you concerned about making capsules? _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of purpleheartmom Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:57 PM Subject: [ ] newbie question I am having a hard time figuring out what to order. I need to treat myself and my two teenagers - abx didn't work for any of us. Maybe the added complication of corn and soy allergy could have hindered the effectiveness of the abx or it could be because we had gone undiagnosed for so long. Anyway, I need to start with the most cost effective treatment possible and looking to increase and/or add as finances allow. My biggest fear is ordering $100 worth of herbs and having them contaminated with corn additives (all conventional Rx and OTC meds contain them) rendering them useless to us. Is there anyone here with a corn allergy that could advise me? Also, is there anyone here with a severely limited budget trying to treat three family members at the same time? I started looking at 1st Chinese Herbs, but they give remarkably little information about the products so I can't imagine how anyone can be sure they are ordering the right thing. I am assuming that making capsules from Andrographis because of the bitterness and taking with food all the others would be cheapest. Am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 > > I've used KW, CC, andrographis, Milk thistle and dandelion all from ichinese > with great success. My system likes the liquid CC better, so I swop between > CC and wormwood in the liquid form. > > Are you concerned about making capsules? > > We just don't do well with capsules. Vegetable capsules are made from corn but we may be able to swing the gelatin ones though they give me a msg headache. Every other med or supplement we take is in powder form so we are used to mixing it with liquid and drinking it or adding it to food. I have just been burned so many times with expensive, supposedly corn-free supplements that turned out to cause a corn reaction that I am frozen with indecision. Corn is used so extensively in labs and food preparation and is commonly not listed on the label. For instance, deli meat lists lactic acid (GMO corn derivative) as an ingredient, but the cornstarch they use to keep it from sticking to the package is unlisted because it isn't considered an " ingredient " . So you can see that looking for deli meat without a corn derivative on the label isn't good enough when avoiding corn. Also, most vitamins contain corn because they are created by fermentation of corn or they are sprayed on maltodextrin (GMO corn derivative) to dry into a powder. That is a common practice in the food and drug industry which makes me nervous about herbs. It's really hard to get a straight answer about this sort of thing from manufacturers, too. Sometimes they don't know the answer themselves. I am going to look at the ones you listed and I guess I will call them up and ask questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 at 1st Chinese, as someone else mentioned, is very helpful. She is always willing to talk over my concerns when i call. jo > > > > I've used KW, CC, andrographis, Milk thistle and dandelion all from ichinese > > with great success. My system likes the liquid CC better, so I swop between > > CC and wormwood in the liquid form. > > > > Are you concerned about making capsules? > > > > > > We just don't do well with capsules. Vegetable capsules are made from corn but we may be able to swing the gelatin ones though they give me a msg headache. Every other med or supplement we take is in powder form so we are used to mixing it with liquid and drinking it or adding it to food. I have just been burned so many times with expensive, supposedly corn-free supplements that turned out to cause a corn reaction that I am frozen with indecision. Corn is used so extensively in labs and food preparation and is commonly not listed on the label. For instance, deli meat lists lactic acid (GMO corn derivative) as an ingredient, but the cornstarch they use to keep it from sticking to the package is unlisted because it isn't considered an " ingredient " . So you can see that looking for deli meat without a corn derivative on the label isn't good enough when avoiding corn. Also, most vitamins contain corn because they are created by fermentation of corn or they are sprayed on maltodextrin (GMO corn derivative) to dry into a powder. That is a common practice in the food and drug industry which makes me nervous about herbs. It's really hard to get a straight answer about this sort of thing from manufacturers, too. Sometimes they don't know the answer themselves. > > I am going to look at the ones you listed and I guess I will call them up and ask questions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Thanks, guys. I appreciate the help. I will call 1st Chinese today. > > > > > Anyway, I need to start with the most cost effective treatment possible and looking to increase and/or add as finances allow. > > using bulk herbs from 1st chinese is probaby the cheapest option. > there are a few other suppliers for bulk herbs but I haven't tried them (because they don't ship to Europe or shipping is too expensive). > > > My biggest fear is ordering $100 worth of herbs and having them contaminated with corn additives (all conventional Rx and OTC meds contain them) rendering them useless to us. > > bulk herbs do not contain such additives; maybe the concentrated powders contain something extra. But those are more expensive, so why bother? Just choose the basic herb powder. > > > > I started looking at 1st Chinese Herbs, but they give remarkably little information about the products so I can't imagine how anyone can be sure they are ordering the right thing. > > If you are confused just send an email; I always got helpful replies from at 1St Chinese, and AFAIK others are also very happy with their service. > > > I am assuming that making capsules from Andrographis because of the bitterness and taking with food all the others would be cheapest. Am I wrong? > > correct, that is the cheapest option. However, mixing with food is not so easy, you need to experiment what works. And it can be a lot of trouble to keep adding the right dose with every meal etc. - I think for most of us it is easier to make some stock of capsules and be done with that for a week or so. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Diane, thank you from me too! I was getting all disoriented with what to steep and when to take. I am going to check this out! > > Try the Green Dragon Botanicals. They have all of Buhners herbs in one capsules. It is $55 for 300 plus capsules and Buhner worked with him to put the capsules together. I just ordered my first bottle. Â Much easier than taking a gazillion other herbs. However, you do need to work up to 4 capsules 3 x a day.Diane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 You are welcome, it is a bit  overwhelming.  I talked to the owner and he said that the maximum does to work up to is 13 tablets 4x a day, yikes! I did not know it was so many but way less than going the other route. Have you done abx?  I did that for awhile but really felt ill on them and decided it was not for me.Diane From: kidscottonknits <i_mikhailichenko@...> Subject: [ ] Re: newbie question Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 4:03 PM  Diane, thank you from me too! I was getting all disoriented with what to steep and when to take. I am going to check this out! > > Try the Green Dragon Botanicals. They have all of Buhners herbs in one capsules. It is $55 for 300 plus capsules and Buhner worked with him to put the capsules together. I just ordered my first bottle.  Much easier than taking a gazillion other herbs. However, you do need to work up to 4 capsules 3 x a day.Diane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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