Guest guest Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 My biochemist and I do not feel this is a cause of MS. There are too many associations to other factors, ie. chronic infection and neuro toxins. Venous stenosis does not lead to demyelination period, and early studies indicate that venous stenosis does not exist in some MS patients in the peripheral veins where we would expect to find it. Venous stenosis also exists in other patients who don't demyelinate (or have MS) and who have stenosis in both jugular and peripheral veins. The existance of stenosis minus demyelilnation hints that stenosis in MS is a symptom and not a cause. The next step to linking this association in its proper place is to develope a plausible scenario that would logically describe this process and for sure, immune activity in the brain stem provides us with this very scenario. Oxidative free radicals and cytokines are very destructive to our own tissues causing localized necrosis and in this case, its myeline. The excess cytokines and reactive oxygen species must then drain directly into lymphatic channels and into venous system. While laying flat, this drainage of lymph is stagnent and the drainage of venous blood slower,...if these reactive chemicals produced by our immune system congregate in neck region, it is only predictable the tissues,like myeline will begin to suffer from oxidative damage over time. Therefore, we conclude rather logically that stenosis is not a cause of MS but is related to other chronic debilitating symptoms of brain fog, cognitive decline, mental and behavioral changes. If there is nerve damage to motor and autonomic nerves, the subsequent stenosis can only aggravate these symptoms as well. We recommend people try chelation for 30 days before jumping into risky, major surgery. EDTA has higher side affects than proline and l-lysiene protocols. The proline protocols are a substitute for L-lysiene due to greater efficacy of dissolving lipoproteins found in most arterial plaques, however, l-lysiene has antiviral properties and when used with ascorbates can halt viral replication,...therefore we ask people add small amount of l-lysiene to their proline protocols. We will be posting the actual protocols once we are sure they are current and updated as our chelation protocols in our data base are two years old. Stay tuned,...this is great news! To learn more about the viral relationship between autoimmunes and MS. http://www.americancanceradvocates.com/Autoimmune_Discoveries.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 just a question... why is it being called major and risky surgery? The reports I have read from venal surgeons (and patients who have had it done) have commented that it is a minimal risk procedure. It doesn't require general anaesthetic and is something which is over within a couple of hours max. For the most part, people go home a few hours after the procedure. Every surgical procedure is a 'risk', but from what I've read and had reported from friends, this is something I personally have confidence in. 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.' MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.) To: mscured From: patientadvocate2@... Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 12:28:54 -0700 Subject: Venous stenosis My biochemist and I do not feel this is a cause of MS. There are too many associations to other factors, ie. chronic infection and neuro toxins. _________________________________________________________________ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 CCSVI liberation is a low risk operation in general. The same procedure has been done millions of times across the world for other causes. MS patients for their bad luck, were classified as immune disease holders and thus, a lot of MS doctors are objecting this new operation. Yes CCSVI might not be the only cause for MS, however, it is a major one for sure in a lot of cases. For more information, you can see the CCSVI facebook group (especially the notes): http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/CCSVI-in-Multiple-Sclerosis/110796282297 You can see a lot of stories and videos from patients who are able to move after years on the wheel chair. I can not really explain the link between CCSVI and MS. However, it is significant. bilal --- Verily, with hardship comes ease. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:26 PM, <rachael.m.thomas@... > wrote: > > > > just a question... > > why is it being called major and risky surgery? > > The reports I have read from venal surgeons (and patients who have had it > done) have commented that it is a minimal risk procedure. > > It doesn't require general anaesthetic and is something which is over > within a couple of hours max. > > For the most part, people go home a few hours after the procedure. > > Every surgical procedure is a 'risk', but from what I've read and had > reported from friends, this is something I personally have confidence in. > > > > 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.' > MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.) > > To: mscured <mscured%40yahoogroups.com> > From: patientadvocate2@... <patientadvocate2%40yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 12:28:54 -0700 > Subject: Venous stenosis > > > My biochemist and I do not feel this is a cause of MS. There are too many > associations to other factors, ie. chronic infection and neuro toxins. > > > __________________________________________________________ > If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 I too disagree that CCSVI is the cause of MS. I posted a longer post detailing the reasons, but it did not show up. Perhaps I am still on moderation for being a new member? Anyway, the gist of the former post is that MS seems to have different causes in different people (e.g., mercury, hep b vac, food allergens, various toxins, etc.) Vitamin D level, if sufficicent, seems to thwart the MS process (which explains the epidemiological studies). That there are numerous factors causing MS in different individuals explains why people get MS at all different ages and at all different severity levels and why some are able to heal or improve and others don't. Also, when one examines the testimonials of those who got CCSVI TX, it is clear that this works no better or worse than other things like BBD, LDN, chelation, etc. MS has different causitive factor or factors in different individuals and thus different solutions. I feel CCSVI is being very much overhyped and we may be losing valuable other information in the process. Look at all the healing stories out there--Terry Wahls for example did not get CCSVI and she is out of a w/c and leading a full and active life. > > My biochemist and I do not feel this is a cause of MS. There are too many associations to other factors, ie. chronic infection and neuro toxins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 I agree that MS has various origins although we have all been given this one MS label. As you say, some of us have high mercury or other heavy metals. (Terry Wahls found she was high in heavy metals.) Lyme, food sensitivities, body PH levels, ... etc. etc. CCSVI is just another. You just need to find which so you are treating the right thing. CCSVI is the only hope I have seen in 15 years of MS so I accept that it is (maybe rightly) being overhyped. It does us good to see some real hope every now and again. Janet To: mscured From: alansamston@... Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:42:15 +0000 Subject: Re: Venous stenosis I too disagree that CCSVI is the cause of MS. --Terry Wahls for example did not get CCSVI and she is out of a w/c and leading a full and active life. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 That is a very true comment Janet Subject: RE: Re: Venous stenosis To: " MS-Cured " <mscured > Received: Friday, 2 July, 2010, 9:17 PM Â I agree that MS has various origins although we have all been given this one MS label. As you say, some of us have high mercury or other heavy metals. (Terry Wahls found she was high in heavy metals.) Lyme, food sensitivities, body PH levels, ... etc. etc. CCSVI is just another. You just need to find which so you are treating the right thing. CCSVI is the only hope I have seen in 15 years of MS so I accept that it is (maybe rightly) being overhyped. It does us good to see some real hope every now and again. Janet To: mscured From: alansamston@... Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:42:15 +0000 Subject: Re: Venous stenosis I too disagree that CCSVI is the cause of MS. --Terry Wahls for example did not get CCSVI and she is out of a w/c and leading a full and active life. __________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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