Acupuncture

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie,

I tried acupuncture............and found it to be very

helpful.............Connie

Leave no stone unturned.......

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

We've used acupuncture, but not for pain, but to rebalance (correct

the reverse in polarity which occurs after serious illness) the body

systems. (I believe the AMA only recognizes acupuncture for pain,

but we've found it does MUCH more!). It's doing wonders for the

acne. We are treating with a traditional Chinese doc - there is a

BIG difference in training; chiropractors receive 6-8 wks of training

in acupuncture, more of an intro, from what they themselves have told

me; whereas one who is a traditional Chinese doc studies for YEARS

how to rebalance the body systems. It is quite a complex and

wonderful form of medicine! (VBG!)

THe doc has us using an herbal tonic (one spoon in warm water) to

help build the blood (anemia); and margarite acne pills, which

(according to package inserts) are effective to clear heat

(pharmaceutical drugs & other toxins); purify blood, etc.

I am NOT a doc, nurse or other health care practitioner - just

sharing what worked for us! (IF anyone would like a referral, I can

ask our doc if he knows of anyone in whatever area you're in - just

email me.) The doc we have trained in China for years. I was

reading some info on acupuncture in his office - apparently several

thousand years ago, the " docs " of the day noticed that when soldiers

would come back from battle with sword wounds in certain areas, other

physical complaints would lessen or disappear & this is how

acupuncture came to be studied as a form of healing.

Hope this is helpful!

Blessings,

Chris

PS - I guess what I've been trying to say here is that one of the

main functions of acupuncture is to return the body of homeostasis,

or healthful balance in its operation. As the body runs on

electricity, this has apparently proven for several thousand years to

be an effective modality in regulating and balancing the body's

energy systems. (Our doc told us it's best not to eat a heavy meal

for a few hrs after treatment; rest up afterwards, as the body is

trying to heal itself & it needs rest to do so; no fried foods (stir

fry, of course, is good - no deep fried foods); no spicy foods.)

I'm sure there must be some very good info on net about all the

benefits of acupuncture. One excellent college I know of is the

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine (CA). Perhaps those of you who

are interested can check it out!

> No it did not hurt at all!

> Re: [ ] acupuncture

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > Has anyone tried acupuncture for pain/or and fatigue? I have

rib and

> > nerve pain my LLMD says is typical; he actually suggested I

look into

> > acupuncture so I can get off the Tylenol w. codeine that I

sometimes

> take

> > now. What's it like? Did it help you? (Do you feel the

needles?)

> >

> > Thanks, and healing to all,

> > Marie

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Coleen,

Our Chinese doc told us that when that occurs (the slight sting) its

due to an excess of electrical energy in a particular meredian. He

went on to clarify that in any given patient that one body system may

be low on energy, while another is overloaded; this is one of the

ways of balancing - the docs can calm down one system which may be in

an " alarm " state, while gently nudging another to work up to its

potential. Sorry I can't explain better.

I did read an excellent book, though - (cheap too!) " Reclaiming the

Body's Wisdom " by Hill. It explains in laymens' terms what

the Chinese systems are & how different body systems affect different

parts of the body. Some of it is the same - even Western docs seem

to know that when you have liver problems, it shows up in the eyes

(yellowing of eye whites, etc.). I found this book for $2 on

clearance on Boarders Books.

Hope this is helpful!

Blessings,

Chris

>

> > No it did not hurt at all!

> > Re: [ ] acupuncture

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > Has anyone tried acupuncture for pain/or and fatigue? I

have rib and

> > > nerve pain my LLMD says is typical; he actually suggested

I look into

> > > acupuncture so I can get off the Tylenol w. codeine that I

sometimes

> > take

> > > now. What's it like? Did it help you? (Do you feel the

needles?)

> > >

> > > Thanks, and healing to all,

> > > Marie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks

Sheryl

Re: [ ] acupuncture

>

>

> > Hi,

> > Has anyone tried acupuncture for pain/or and fatigue? I have rib and

> > nerve pain my LLMD says is typical; he actually suggested I look into

> > acupuncture so I can get off the Tylenol w. codeine that I sometimes

take

> > now. What's it like? Did it help you? (Do you feel the needles?)

> >

> > Thanks, and healing to all,

> > Marie

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

> Hello,

>

> Thanks to everyone for their helpful responses about CT myelogram.

>

> Next question: Has anybody out there with achondroplasia ever

tried acupuncture? Either to deal with stenosis or just in general.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Cara

>

>

> Cara

I have Morquio and I had great sucess using accupuncture in dealing

with my allergies. I have no idea how it would work with stenosis

but I certainly recommend it!

Danette

[Guest guest]

I used it for my shoulder when it was really bad and it definitely helped. It

takes a few treatments before it works.

[ ] Acupuncture

Has anyone ever used a licensed acupuncturist for PA or fibro? I was reading

up on it and the Chinese have used it for thousands of years. I read that it

worked well on fibromyalgia and for controlling pain. I had a friend use it for

weight loss before and to quit smoking and he swore by it. I know that surgery

has been performed before using accupuncture as anesthesia so I think there is

some accreditation to it. My insurance covers licensed practioners (with a

higher co-pay). Please let me know if any of you have had any experiences with

it before (good, bad, indifferent). I figure that it can't hurt.

thanks,

[Guest guest]

I used acupuncture for achillies tendonitis after the podiatrist was unable

to give me relief after months of cortisone injections and taping. She

decided it was PA-related and opted not to treat me anymore. It took 9

visits total to the acupuncturist. I had significant relief after the first

visit and then slow improvement after that. No pain meds, either. But

acupuncture in your heel is really not fun.

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Hi ,

I did try acupuncture to alleviate some of my pa pain. It had little

to no effect. I went twice a week for about 6 weeks. My

acupuncturist was highly recommended by a friend and he tried several

different acupuncture methods in attempting to relieve my pain. A

couple helped relax me, which took off the tense rigidness I had when

steeling myself to walk, but all in all, he was dumb founded as to

why he wasn't able to help meon a long term basis. My insurance

would not cover any cost. Each session was $50. I hope you have

better luck.

[Guest guest]

Hi --

I have been using acupuncture for about two months now with great

success. I am on Enbrel, Methotrexate, Celebrex and Ultram, and have

had two epidurals this year. The medicine helps, I think the

epidurals were useless, and the acupunture is great. Finally, I also

use healing meditation -- I am a long time meditator who has recently

found some relief through that channel. If anyone would like details

of any of the above please write me directly.

, North Jersey Highlands

raharris@...

http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/

http://www.satipatthana.org

[Guest guest]

Where can I get information on the meditation? I can only take Celebrex. My

doctor told me no other medicine while on Celebrex. Guess having a faulty valve

is not a plus when it comes to these medications. Also high blood pressure. Am I

the only one here that has the BP problem? No one has mentioned it and I know

that almost all the medications i have red about in this forum can cause heart

problems and with someone with a problem already it is not a good idea to use

them. Just wondering.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sunny,

I also have " hypertension " or so they say... I do have high blood pressure,

but I believe it is based more in my anxiety disorder than my cardiovascular

system ... first of all they can't seem to control it with a beta blocker and

a calcium channel blocker (lopressor 50 mg/day and nifedipine XL 90mg/day)

plus I take 25 mg/day of Hydroclorothiazide (Hctz) and 80 mg/day of Lasix

both of which are water pills. These are supposed to keep my pitting edema

(both shins, ankles and feet) at bay. Of Course they don't and my feet,

ankle and shins all swell much like then I had preeclampsia with each

pregnancy (25 years ago last). And now because they keep me a bit on the

dehydrated side with all the water pills, I also have to take 80 meq's/day of

Klor-con (potassium).. to fight off the sensation of heart palpitations,

shortness of breath (nothing like mimicking my anxiety symptoms to keep

things entertaining) And around we go again.................

It's just that I am " morbidly obese " so I must have hypertension - or do I...

I must have heart disease or do I... cholesterol = 180... that one really

confused them. I'm getting very tired of doctor's best guesses.... how

about the rest of you????

[Guest guest]

Accupunture and Chinese medicine are the only things that seem to be

helping my liver and general energy levels - I am not sure that it will

cure me but it keeps me operational. I do it twice or once a week and it

helps alot

in SIngapore

Acupuncture

Hello All,

I was interested in in the citation below regarding acupuncture from the

article

that someone on the list directed as to at Keep Hope Alive. For those

of us

who have

Natural Killer Cell function in the basement, it seems that acupuncture

is

helpful.

The other thing I take it is IP-6, which Beck has found helpful.

I get one acupuncture treatment per month at my HMO---rather perfunctory

since

it is only about 15-20 minutes. However, I also get one private

acupuncture

treatment

per month. My acupuncturist, Noriko Nagato, does the Japanese style

acupuncture

which is both sides of the body and lasts about an hour. She is quite

attentive

and willing to learn since she has gone to fibromyalgia conferences to

learn

more about the disease.

She also treats the conductor of the Boston Symphony, Seiju Ozawa as

well as

the

wonderful classical pianist, Mitsuko Uchida.

I sometimes think that if I could afford two acupuncture treatments per

week

that I might be able

to return to my teaching job for part-time work.

Anyway, the information is below my signature line.

Steve Du Pre

Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/isaiah40soaringeagle/index.html

" By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

Acupuncture increase NK activity and IFN-gamma

In studies on mice, electroacupuncture increased Natural Killer cell

activity, although it did not increase the quantity of NK cells.

Electroacupuncture caused the increase in NK activity by increasing

beta-endorphin production and also increased IFN-gamma in the spleen.

(1)

In a controlled study on 25 cancer patients and 20 controls by Wu B et

al,

acupuncture given for 30 minutes daily for 10 days increased IL-2 levels

and

NK cell activity. Pressure points used were ST36, LI11 and RN6. In the

placebo group, NK cell activity and IL-2 levels remained below normal

and

unchanged. Wu concluded: " acupuncture therapy could enhance the cellular

immune function of patients with malignant tumors ..providing a

beneficial

effect in anti-cancer treatment. " (2) Other published articles I've read

confirm these findings.

For some time, I've heard from our readers reports of increases in CD4

counts with acupuncture. Persons with CFIDS, cancer and HIV would all

benefit from acupuncture. Be sure to specifically ask for pressure

points

ST36, LI11 and RN6.

1. Yu Y et al; J Neuroimmunol 1998 Oct 1;90(2):176 -

2. Chung Kuo Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa Chih 1994 Sep;14(9):537-9 (Article

in

Chinese)

[Guest guest]

,

Good to see your post and glad to hear you are operational.

Beck

Ho wrote:

> Accupunture and Chinese medicine are the only things that seem to be

> helping my liver and general energy levels - I am not sure that it will

> cure me but it keeps me operational. I do it twice or once a week and it

> helps alot

> in SIngapore

>

> Acupuncture

>

> Hello All,

> I was interested in in the citation below regarding acupuncture from the

> article

> that someone on the list directed as to at Keep Hope Alive. For those

> of us

> who have

> Natural Killer Cell function in the basement, it seems that acupuncture

> is

> helpful.

> The other thing I take it is IP-6, which Beck has found helpful.

> I get one acupuncture treatment per month at my HMO---rather perfunctory

> since

> it is only about 15-20 minutes. However, I also get one private

> acupuncture

> treatment

> per month. My acupuncturist, Noriko Nagato, does the Japanese style

> acupuncture

> which is both sides of the body and lasts about an hour. She is quite

> attentive

> and willing to learn since she has gone to fibromyalgia conferences to

> learn

> more about the disease.

> She also treats the conductor of the Boston Symphony, Seiju Ozawa as

> well as

> the

> wonderful classical pianist, Mitsuko Uchida.

> I sometimes think that if I could afford two acupuncture treatments per

> week

> that I might be able

> to return to my teaching job for part-time work.

> Anyway, the information is below my signature line.

> Steve Du Pre

> Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/isaiah40soaringeagle/index.html

> " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

>

> Acupuncture increase NK activity and IFN-gamma

> In studies on mice, electroacupuncture increased Natural Killer cell

> activity, although it did not increase the quantity of NK cells.

> Electroacupuncture caused the increase in NK activity by increasing

> beta-endorphin production and also increased IFN-gamma in the spleen.

> (1)

>

> In a controlled study on 25 cancer patients and 20 controls by Wu B et

> al,

> acupuncture given for 30 minutes daily for 10 days increased IL-2 levels

> and

> NK cell activity. Pressure points used were ST36, LI11 and RN6. In the

> placebo group, NK cell activity and IL-2 levels remained below normal

> and

> unchanged. Wu concluded: " acupuncture therapy could enhance the cellular

> immune function of patients with malignant tumors ..providing a

> beneficial

> effect in anti-cancer treatment. " (2) Other published articles I've read

> confirm these findings.

>

> For some time, I've heard from our readers reports of increases in CD4

> counts with acupuncture. Persons with CFIDS, cancer and HIV would all

> benefit from acupuncture. Be sure to specifically ask for pressure

> points

> ST36, LI11 and RN6.

>

> 1. Yu Y et al; J Neuroimmunol 1998 Oct 1;90(2):176 -

>

> 2. Chung Kuo Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa Chih 1994 Sep;14(9):537-9 (Article

> in

> Chinese)

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Glad that you are happy with these treatments. What Chinese Medicine

remedies do you use?

Thanks.

Nil

Acupuncture

|

|

| Hello All,

| I was interested in in the citation below regarding acupuncture from the

| article

| that someone on the list directed as to at Keep Hope Alive. For those

| of us

| who have

| Natural Killer Cell function in the basement, it seems that acupuncture

| is

| helpful.

| The other thing I take it is IP-6, which Beck has found helpful.

| I get one acupuncture treatment per month at my HMO---rather perfunctory

| since

| it is only about 15-20 minutes. However, I also get one private

| acupuncture

| treatment

| per month. My acupuncturist, Noriko Nagato, does the Japanese style

| acupuncture

| which is both sides of the body and lasts about an hour. She is quite

| attentive

| and willing to learn since she has gone to fibromyalgia conferences to

| learn

| more about the disease.

| She also treats the conductor of the Boston Symphony, Seiju Ozawa as

| well as

| the

| wonderful classical pianist, Mitsuko Uchida.

| I sometimes think that if I could afford two acupuncture treatments per

| week

| that I might be able

| to return to my teaching job for part-time work.

| Anyway, the information is below my signature line.

| Steve Du Pre

| Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/isaiah40soaringeagle/index.html

| " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

|

|

| Acupuncture increase NK activity and IFN-gamma

| In studies on mice, electroacupuncture increased Natural Killer cell

| activity, although it did not increase the quantity of NK cells.

| Electroacupuncture caused the increase in NK activity by increasing

| beta-endorphin production and also increased IFN-gamma in the spleen.

| (1)

|

| In a controlled study on 25 cancer patients and 20 controls by Wu B et

| al,

| acupuncture given for 30 minutes daily for 10 days increased IL-2 levels

| and

| NK cell activity. Pressure points used were ST36, LI11 and RN6. In the

| placebo group, NK cell activity and IL-2 levels remained below normal

| and

| unchanged. Wu concluded: " acupuncture therapy could enhance the cellular

| immune function of patients with malignant tumors ..providing a

| beneficial

| effect in anti-cancer treatment. " (2) Other published articles I've read

| confirm these findings.

|

| For some time, I've heard from our readers reports of increases in CD4

| counts with acupuncture. Persons with CFIDS, cancer and HIV would all

| benefit from acupuncture. Be sure to specifically ask for pressure

| points

| ST36, LI11 and RN6.

|

| 1. Yu Y et al; J Neuroimmunol 1998 Oct 1;90(2):176 -

|

| 2. Chung Kuo Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa Chih 1994 Sep;14(9):537-9 (Article

| in

| Chinese)

|

|

|

|

|

|

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to caution that there can be unpleasant side

effects even with acupuncture and Chinese medicine.

I have CFS and fibromyalgia, and have had treatment by three

very caring practitioners (a doctor of oriental medicine, a

licensed acupuncturist, and an M.D. who does

electroacupuncture). In the first case, my fatigue was

relieved and sleep improved, but I got hives and thyroid

inflammation (it finally turned out the treatment had

increased my thyroid function, and my thyroid dose needed to

be halved). With the last two acupuncturists, my pain got

much worse beginning while the needles were inserted. At the

time of the last two acupuncture treatments, I was on

cortisone, which eventually had to be stopped because my

levels went off the charts. Maybe the acupuncture was

improving my own hormone output, and the problems arose

because I also was on prescription hormone replacement. But

none of the three acupuncturists expected a problem, and

they weren't sure what to do other than stopping treatment.

Anyway I'd suggest careful monitoring/testing when combining

Chinese medicine with rx hormones or hormone-boosting

supplements. If anyone else has related experiences, I'd

like very much to hear about them...

Roxy

[Guest guest]

Anne,

I would be interested in knowing what your uncle means by " gives him pause. "

Would you find out for me if you can?

The needles don't bother me...they are very small and disposable. There are a

few points where they do hurt, but for the most point I don't even feel them.

I only go once a week as a rule but recently when my sciatica was extremely

flaired up I went a couple times a week for a few weeks. I've never had it

suggested to go more than once a week unless you are dealing with an extreme

pain. Even when I saw my private oriental doctor who got paid for each visit, he

didn't suggest more frequent treatments.

Hmmm....wonder what they do in China where it is used consistently....

Tatezi

Re: Donna / fatigue/acupuncture

Glad your results were so astounding. My only problem with this is the

needles involved and my uncle, who is Chinese, says that the frequency of

treatment gives him pause.

Just a thought.

Anne

[Guest guest]

Anne,

I would be interested in knowing what your uncle means by " gives him pause. "

Would you find out for me if you can?

The needles don't bother me...they are very small and disposable. There are a

few points where they do hurt, but for the most point I don't even feel them.

I only go once a week as a rule but recently when my sciatica was extremely

flaired up I went a couple times a week for a few weeks. I've never had it

suggested to go more than once a week unless you are dealing with an extreme

pain. Even when I saw my private oriental doctor who got paid for each visit, he

didn't suggest more frequent treatments.

Hmmm....wonder what they do in China where it is used consistently....

Tatezi

Re: Donna / fatigue/acupuncture

Glad your results were so astounding. My only problem with this is the

needles involved and my uncle, who is Chinese, says that the frequency of

treatment gives him pause.

Just a thought.

Anne

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/29/2002 10:04:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tatezi7@... writes:

> I would be interested in knowing what your uncle means by " gives him pause. "

> Would you find out for me if you can?

>

Dear Tat,

That one I can answer quickly. Uncle Ed was hesitant because he doesn't know

the environment you are in, nor the environment I am in. Since he loves me

very much, by extension he loves you; therefore he is concerned that we are

both being treated by reputable people. No more, no less. There are quacks

in every profession, including the ones where the guys wear white coats and

have M.D. behind their names.

Psyatica can be a real B_____! I have it too. One of the things that helps

me is to do leg pulls every morning BEFORE I get out of bed...note the

before. I can't do deep knee bends anymore, but they help, too. Believe it

or not, the best thing you can do is walk. This, of course, assumes you

catch it before it gets totally out of hand. If you only have it in one hip,

learn to sleep on the other one. Just a few things I've learned over the

many years that I've had that.

LOL,

Anne

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/29/2002 10:04:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tatezi7@... writes:

> I would be interested in knowing what your uncle means by " gives him pause. "

> Would you find out for me if you can?

>

Dear Tat,

That one I can answer quickly. Uncle Ed was hesitant because he doesn't know

the environment you are in, nor the environment I am in. Since he loves me

very much, by extension he loves you; therefore he is concerned that we are

both being treated by reputable people. No more, no less. There are quacks

in every profession, including the ones where the guys wear white coats and

have M.D. behind their names.

Psyatica can be a real B_____! I have it too. One of the things that helps

me is to do leg pulls every morning BEFORE I get out of bed...note the

before. I can't do deep knee bends anymore, but they help, too. Believe it

or not, the best thing you can do is walk. This, of course, assumes you

catch it before it gets totally out of hand. If you only have it in one hip,

learn to sleep on the other one. Just a few things I've learned over the

many years that I've had that.

LOL,

Anne

[Guest guest]

Sure. I'm in Boston at the moment with our son who is about to undergo

surgery. A quick link that I can send is to Ellen Highfield:

http://www.4healthykids.org/2002/speakers.html

I will try to post more, but it may be the end of the week. THere will also

be a column on this in the HealingChildren reviews shortly.

In addition, the ASK conference (www.4healthykids.org) will have both speakers

and a limited-seating workshop (first 20 to register) on the use of

accupunture with children with nuerological issues. Sorry for the typos. Have

to run.

--darien

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:20:34 -0800 " e N. Llorente M.D. "

<hbo@...> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I noted your post about acupuncture,

> Darin.  Would you please forward it to me

> as well?

>

> Thank you.  Regards,

>

> e

>

> Re: [ ] Update From

> Florida Katy is doing great.

>

> Darin,

>

> Great news!

>

> I know it feels soooo good to perceive the

> improvements!

>

> had 10 HBOT's in Santa about a

> month ago, and this week her

> abilities clearly improved a notch (posture for

> standing and moving her

> legs in trying to walk).

>

> I am very happy for you.  Give Dr. N., and

> everyone else our regards and

> thanks for helping us start our journey!

>

> PS  I would like to learn more about

> acupuncture and how it affects the

> CNS.  Can you, or anyone else give me some

> input and direction?  Thanks.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Ed Nemeth

>

>

> At 10:12 PM 11/16/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> >Katy is doing great. We are here she is

> having acupunture andHBOT while she

> >is here. A while back we had here eyes

> checked the Dr. didn't want to give

> >her glasses said dhe needed them but he

> felt like it would be best to wait.

> >We decided today to take her to the Imax 3D

> theater and watch a movie it was

> >incredible it was the most response we have

> ever seen from here. It was a

> >Christmas film and she was taking her hands

> and grabing for the snowflakes

> >that were falling. We realized then she

> could see the big images and that the

> >T.V. at home is just to small for her to

> see. So we are going to take her

> >back to the Dr. and tell him we want her

> fitted for glasses. She can see but

> >her vision is limited. We no now after

> taking her tonight that glasses would

> >turn her on to a new world. This child sit

> and smiled through the hole movie

> >it was incrediable.There was another family

> here that sugested the movie that

> >is how they found out there child had

> limited vision. Im so thankfull they

> >talked us into going. Most of you may think

> we are crazy but with our

> >children everything is trial and error. I

> can truly say this was the most

> >response I had ever seen since the

> accident. I know by wacthing her responses

> >she could actually see the screen and new

> what was going on. It has been 7

> >months since anyone here had seen her and

> they all feel she has pergressed

> >alot. Dr. Neubauer and the staff are

> incredible as they allway's are. I

> >really love Dr. neubauer and allway's enjoy

> comming in to see him and the

> >staff. They have allway's been wonderfull

> to us. As  you all know we only

> >treat Katy at two centers Lufkin HBO Tammy,

> , And Shenna they are

> >great, and her in Florida With Dr. Neubauer

> and his many staff. Now for Katy

> >she has gotten into her normal 

> Florida routine she sleeps in the chamber and

> >during the day and wants us to sit up with

> her at night. If she doesn't sleep

> >nobody does. So as you can see we are not

> sleeping much. We miss all of you

> >at home and can't wait to get back the

> weather here is great, Well Janie

> >can't wait to get back I on the other hand

> would love to stay here till the

> >weather got hot at home im like the birds I

> like to fly south for the winter.

> >

> >

> >Darin

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I wanted to jump in too to say that we have done accupressure (lot of

accupuncturists do not like to do accupuncture on children, but do

accupressue instead). It has helped many times to stop a seizure. I give my

daughter an accupressure massage any time she is feeling twitchy. I've been

doing this for about 4 years with good results. Ellen

Re: [ ] Update From Florida Katy is doing great.

>

> Darin,

>

> Great news!

>

> I know it feels soooo good to perceive the improvements!

>

> had 10 HBOT's in Santa about a month ago, and this week her

> abilities clearly improved a notch (posture for standing and moving her

> legs in trying to walk).

>

> I am very happy for you. Give Dr. N., and everyone else our regards and

> thanks for helping us start our journey!

>

> PS I would like to learn more about acupuncture and how it affects the

> CNS. Can you, or anyone else give me some input and direction? Thanks.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Ed Nemeth

>

>

> At 10:12 PM 11/16/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> >Katy is doing great. We are here she is having acupunture andHBOT while

she

> >is here. A while back we had here eyes checked the Dr. didn't want to

give

> >her glasses said dhe needed them but he felt like it would be best to

wait.

> >We decided today to take her to the Imax 3D theater and watch a movie it

was

> >incredible it was the most response we have ever seen from here. It was a

> >Christmas film and she was taking her hands and grabing for the

snowflakes

> >that were falling. We realized then she could see the big images and that

the

> >T.V. at home is just to small for her to see. So we are going to take her

> >back to the Dr. and tell him we want her fitted for glasses. She can see

but

> >her vision is limited. We no now after taking her tonight that glasses

would

> >turn her on to a new world. This child sit and smiled through the hole

movie

> >it was incrediable.There was another family here that sugested the movie

that

> >is how they found out there child had limited vision. Im so thankfull

they

> >talked us into going. Most of you may think we are crazy but with our

> >children everything is trial and error. I can truly say this was the most

> >response I had ever seen since the accident. I know by wacthing her

responses

> >she could actually see the screen and new what was going on. It has been

7

> >months since anyone here had seen her and they all feel she has

pergressed

> >alot. Dr. Neubauer and the staff are incredible as they allway's are. I

> >really love Dr. neubauer and allway's enjoy comming in to see him and the

> >staff. They have allway's been wonderfull to us. As you all know we only

> >treat Katy at two centers Lufkin HBO Tammy, , And Shenna they are

> >great, and her in Florida With Dr. Neubauer and his many staff. Now for

Katy

> >she has gotten into her normal Florida routine she sleeps in the chamber

and

> >during the day and wants us to sit up with her at night. If she doesn't

sleep

> >nobody does. So as you can see we are not sleeping much. We miss all of

you

> >at home and can't wait to get back the weather here is great, Well Janie

> >can't wait to get back I on the other hand would love to stay here till

the

> >weather got hot at home im like the birds I like to fly south for the

winter.

> >

> >

> >Darin

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ellen,

Thanks for the info. Fortunately, has been without seizures for

about two years now. So, that specific application is not so much of a

concern.

But, what is it that accupunture, or accupressure does for CP kids? I

remember reading about both decades ago for general well-being. But, I am

curious as to how it works by affecting the peripheral nervous system

thereby stimulating the CNS. What is it doing, and why is it valuable.

I believe there is something there, but I can't put my finger on exactly

what it is.

Thanks!

Ed

At 09:40 PM 11/18/2002 -0600, you wrote:

>I wanted to jump in too to say that we have done accupressure (lot of

>accupuncturists do not like to do accupuncture on children, but do

>accupressue instead). It has helped many times to stop a seizure. I give my

>daughter an accupressure massage any time she is feeling twitchy. I've been

>doing this for about 4 years with good results. Ellen

>

> Re: [ ] Update From Florida Katy is doing great.

> >

> > Darin,

> >

> > Great news!

> >

> > I know it feels soooo good to perceive the improvements!

> >

> > had 10 HBOT's in Santa about a month ago, and this week her

> > abilities clearly improved a notch (posture for standing and moving her

> > legs in trying to walk).

> >

> > I am very happy for you. Give Dr. N., and everyone else our regards and

> > thanks for helping us start our journey!

> >

> > PS I would like to learn more about acupuncture and how it affects the

> > CNS. Can you, or anyone else give me some input and direction? Thanks.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Ed Nemeth

> >

> >

> > At 10:12 PM 11/16/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> > >Katy is doing great. We are here she is having acupunture andHBOT while

>she

> > >is here. A while back we had here eyes checked the Dr. didn't want to

>give

> > >her glasses said dhe needed them but he felt like it would be best to

>wait.

> > >We decided today to take her to the Imax 3D theater and watch a movie it

>was

> > >incredible it was the most response we have ever seen from here. It was a

> > >Christmas film and she was taking her hands and grabing for the

>snowflakes

> > >that were falling. We realized then she could see the big images and that

>the

> > >T.V. at home is just to small for her to see. So we are going to take her

> > >back to the Dr. and tell him we want her fitted for glasses. She can see

>but

> > >her vision is limited. We no now after taking her tonight that glasses

>would

> > >turn her on to a new world. This child sit and smiled through the hole

>movie

> > >it was incrediable.There was another family here that sugested the movie

>that

> > >is how they found out there child had limited vision. Im so thankfull

>they

> > >talked us into going. Most of you may think we are crazy but with our

> > >children everything is trial and error. I can truly say this was the most

> > >response I had ever seen since the accident. I know by wacthing her

>responses

> > >she could actually see the screen and new what was going on. It has been

>7

> > >months since anyone here had seen her and they all feel she has

>pergressed

> > >alot. Dr. Neubauer and the staff are incredible as they allway's are. I

> > >really love Dr. neubauer and allway's enjoy comming in to see him and the

> > >staff. They have allway's been wonderfull to us. As you all know we only

> > >treat Katy at two centers Lufkin HBO Tammy, , And Shenna they are

> > >great, and her in Florida With Dr. Neubauer and his many staff. Now for

>Katy

> > >she has gotten into her normal Florida routine she sleeps in the chamber

>and

> > >during the day and wants us to sit up with her at night. If she doesn't

>sleep

> > >nobody does. So as you can see we are not sleeping much. We miss all of

>you

> > >at home and can't wait to get back the weather here is great, Well Janie

> > >can't wait to get back I on the other hand would love to stay here till

>the

> > >weather got hot at home im like the birds I like to fly south for the

>winter.

> > >

> > >

> > >Darin

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have had acupuncture done on my kids-- my dd for constipation

issues and he did do some on Ethan for sensory issues, but we had to

stop seeing him because of the herbs he was pushing on us... Ethan

had a bad reaction to being on the herbs. Since then I have read

that *some* chinese herbals may be tainted with metals, spec.

mercury, so just be cautious and ask lots of questions. But

otherwise, the acupuncture itself was not unpleasant for the kids--

very quick and painless. I did not do it enough on Ethan to notice

if it helped his sensory issues. It would elicit a bowel movement

for Elora.

W

[Guest guest]

EPILEPSY, PARKINSON, AUTISM

(5) WHAT IS EPILEPSY?

Epilepsy is a desease which defined as paroxysmal and temporary disturbance of

brain characterized by loss of consciousness or muscle tic or abnormal

sensation, emotion and behaviour. In Accupuncture word, this desease is

categorized as 'xian zheng'(epilepsy syndrome) and 'dian xian'(epilepsy).

CLINICAL DIAGNOSIS

1. Histories of the family, epileptic attack and encephalopathia.

2. Clinical manifestations are vary greatly. There may be grand mal, rolandic

mal, infantile spasms and petit mal. Grand mal is characterized by suddenly loss

of consciousness, involuntary of muscular contraction with foam in the mouth,

which last for 1 to 5 minutes. The patients may then fall into sleep and awake

after a few hours. The petit mal is sudden, short loss of awareness without

aurea and muscle tic, come with interruptions of speech or action which persist

for 2 to 10 seconds. The patients often normally comes to consciousness quickly.

TYPES OF SYNDROMES

1. Epilepsy Induced by Fear

Main symptoms are sudden panic, confusion and loss of self-control, frighten and

may be alarm and restlessness, crying with fear during sleep, tendency to remain

in the mother's arms, alternative flush and pallow on the face, red tongue with

white fur, taut and rapid slippery pulse.

2. Epilepsy due to Accumulation of Phlegm

Main symptoms are convulsion of extremities during a fit od epilepsy,

unconsciousness, headache and abdominol pain, come with stridor produced by

phlegm in the throat, salivation, yellow face, thick fur of tongue, and slippery

and rapid pulse.

3. Epilepsy due to Blood Stasis

Main symptoms are with a history of birth injury or tramuma which characterized

as paroxysmal localized headache, occasional vomitting, paroxysmal convulsion of

the whole body or half body or local region upon attack, dark purple tongue,

thready and unsmooth pulses and dark purple superficial venule of the index

finger.

TREATMENTS

Usually it takes between 1 to 6 months for recovery by The Tole's teory of

medication.

(6) WHAT IS ACUTE TOXIC ENCEPHALOPATHY

Acute toxic encephalopathy is caused by the abrupt appearance of symptoms and

signs of the central nervous system in the course of primary diseases. The

reason of the desease is unknown. The disease may be associated with

immunoreaction to infection and its toxin invading the brain tissue directly. In

Acupuncture, this is called 'jing feng'(infantile convulsion).

CLINICAL DIAGNOSIS

1. It may occur at any age, but usually in infants from 1 to 3 years old. The

brain damage always follow by the primary disorders within a few days or 1 to 2

weeks after their attack.

2. The diagnosis is usually abrupt with high fever, headache, vomitting,

restlessness, convulsion, coma, delayed reaction to light, always come with

holotonia, decerebrate rigidity. Some of the patients may have the symptoms of

meningeal irritation, increased or reduced of tendon reflex and have cerebellar

symptoms, such as ataxia and kinetic tremor.

3. The lab exam shows that cerebrospinal fluid is clear. All are normal only the

pressure is high and sometimes there is a slight increase of protein.

4. By fundus exam, Arteriolar spasm, blood stasis of small vein and retinal

edema can be observed.

TYPES OF SYNDROMES

1. Always seen in the stage of cerebral edema of toxic encephalopathy, in the

case of the primary disease, with abrupt high fever, headache, vomitting,

restlessness, delirium, drowsiness, convulsions of the limbs, involuntary

staring, lockjaw or unconsciousness, deep-red tongue with yellow and dry fur,

stiffness of the extremities and neck, either taut and rapid or slippery and

rapid pulse.

TREATMENTS

Usually it takes between 1 to 6 months for recovery by The Tole's teory of

medication.

(7) PARKINSON

Toh is 80 years old and " retired, " he was recommended by his sister who has just

recovered from diabetes by Master Leong. as he says -- not my choice, he has

Parkinson's disease, a degenerative disorder of the central nervous system,

which interferes with many daily activities.

" Parkinson's disease is caused by a gradual deterioration of nerves in a region

of the brain that controls movement. In later stages, there may be some

intellectual deterioration and memory loss. Parkinson's slows your reaction

time; it makes you stiff, it makes your muscles not react when you tell them to

move, " ,the main reason is because of the 'Qi' flow in the brain is disturbed

said Master Leong.

Toh told that he has spent 30 minutes to reach our centre from the carpark. He

feels difficulty in walking and moving, before he can take the first step, he

need to concentrate for 4 minutes to control his mind. But even his body doesn't

cooperate, his mind is fine.

After one month full acupuncture and herbal treatment by Master Leong, Toh is

now able to walk and move easily. He is now fully recovered from Parkinson

Disease. He have brought a gift to Master Leong, he is so 'suprise' with the

consultation of Master Leong, he thought that he won't cure from Parkinson for

his life. He also thanks to his sister for recommended him to Master Leong.

" Over the 140 years, we have more than 100 success proven record of Parkinson

Disease. " said Master Leong.

(8) AUTISM

Joe is 8 years old an Autistic kid from Korea. Even though Korea recognized

acupuncture and Joe's grand father is the top acupuncture physician there,he

can't help. Others specialist can not do much.

Being a father of an autistic kid,his father has a lot of pressure and looking

for answer desperately. There finally came to see our MASTER LEONG through high

recommendation from a friend.

When he first came into our centre everyone in the premise had a shock from his

'super-hyper active behaviour'.Jumping and screaming all over the place and zero

communication and eyes contact.He is in his own world, very scared and

frustrated, until he hits himself on the head continous for about 10 mins to 30

mins.

Master Leong applied Qi Qong and acupuncture treatment to calmed him down.

According to Master Leong it is his brain's Qi is not moving smoothly . He calm

down after 30 minutes ,then had another session of Qi Qong and acupuncture after

one hour.

3 days of treatment went by and they can see that Joe can respond to instruction

from his father and has some eyes contact.They went back to Korea because his

father has only 3 days of lift from work, but he book for the second visit that

is after six months. He took 6 months of herbal medication home and a list of

do's and done's .

After 6 months they came for 30 days of treatment. Everday he has 2 session of

treatment, that is 60 treatments in total. We can see him improving everday and

in the end of the treatment he was about 80% !!! recovered. They have to go home

now and promise to come in 12 months time. This time he tooks 12 months of

medication with him.

The 3th visit comes, he was almost 100% recovered!!! when we see him. Still we

give him the same treatment for 30 days. In the end of this trip he is quit

confident and normal in most of his activities. They went home with a' 101%

HAPPY HEART !!! ' NO MORE MEDICINE, WORRY, STRESS, FRUSTRATION, SLEEPLESS NIGHT.

Over the recent years we have cured more than 100's of cases, of cause some of

them did not complete their treatment. All of them improved from the day they

came, we open up their door and aline them to come out off the enclosed world of

their own.

Eventhough it may be time and effort consuming, we have to do it once and for

all - their life.

AUTISM

Isolated in worlds of their own, people with autism appear indifferent and

remote and are unable to form emotional bonds with others. Although people with

this baffling brain disorder can display a wide range of symptoms and

disability, many are incapable of understanding other people's thoughts,

feelings, and needs. Often, language and intelligence fail to develop fully,

making communication and social relationships difficult. Many people with autism

engage in repetitive activities, like rocking or banging their heads, or rigidly

following familiar patterns in their everyday routines. Some are painfully

sensitive to sound, touch, sight, or smell.

Children with autism do not follow the typical patterns of child development. In

some children, hints of future problems may be apparent from birth. In most

cases, the problems become more noticeable as the child slips farther behind

other children the same age. Other children start off well enough. But between

18 and 36 months old, they suddenly reject people, act strangely, and lose

language and social skills they had already acquired.

As a parent, teacher, or caregiver you may know the frustration of trying to

communicate and connect with children or adults who have autism. You may feel

ignored as they engage in endlessly repetitive behaviors. You may despair at the

bizarre ways they express their inner needs. And you may feel sorrow that your

hopes and dreams for them may never materialize.

But there is help-and hope. Gone are the days when people with autism were

isolated, typically sent away to institutions. Today, many youngsters can be

helped to attend school with other children. Methods are available to help

improve their social, language, and academic skills. Even though more than 60

percent of adults with autism continue to need care throughout their lives, some

programs are beginning to demonstrate that with appropriate support, many people

with autism can be trained to do meaningful work and participate in the life of

the community.

Autism is found in every country and region of the world, and in families of all

racial, ethnic, religious, and economic backgrounds. Emerging in childhood, it

affects about 1 or 2 people in every thousand and is three to four times more

common in boys than girls. Girls with the disorder, however, tend to have more

severe symptoms and lower intelligence. In addition to loss of personal

potential, the cost of health and educational services to those affected exceeds

$3 billion each year in US.

THE TOLE is dedicated to understanding the workings and interrelationships of

the various regions of the brain, and to developing preventive measures and new

treatments for disorders like autism that handicap people in school, work, and

social relationships and brain damage or vegetable. Up-to-date information on

autism and cure for autistic is the role of THE TOLE in identifying underlying

causes and effective treatments are available in our

http://geocities.com/thetoleherbs/ . Also described are symptoms and diagnostic

procedures, treatment options, strategies for coping, and sources of information

and support. THE TOLE' WAY OF MEDICATION HAVE 100% EFFECTIVENESS ON AUTISTIC

KIDS and very high result for brain problems and complications.Many autistic

kids have been fully cured and now living a normal live some with extral

ordinary IQ and special telent.

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List

Please tell me if anyone on the list has used Acupuncture for their kids with

autism and or seizures?

Would like to know if it helped, I have an appointment for the kids-what

should I look forward to?

[Guest guest]

> Anyone know of any reason why acupuncture, especially to the

> gallbladder and liver meridians, is not a good idea while one still

> has amalgams in one's mouth?

>

> I'm having a hard time with tolerating milk thistle, and I thought I

> would try to boost function via acupuncture.

>

> Lati

I think it is a good idea. I'm biased

I've been getting acupunture for years, and love it.

Moria

p.s. for liver you can also try artichoke extract, eating

artichoke and beets, low use of drugs/caffiene/pesticides/etc.

And you can try milk thistle in different forms if you want

to be sure it is the milk thistle itself that is difficult

for you.

I also (occassionally) use liver/GB cleanse formulas from

American Botanical Pharmacy (which definately includes

milk thistle!)