Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Celeste: When I wrote that I was being sarcastic. For there is no scientific proof of how or why acupuncture works. It works on the " energy centers " of the body. My doctor in Montreal when I was about nine in 1940 used Radionics, the pendulum, chakras, astrology, exercise etc.. He wrote a slim volume in French. The translated title is " 60 years of Practical Medicine---30 years in the Dream of Orthodox Medicine followed by 30 years of Radionic Medicine. " He was an accomplished pianist, organist, ceramist, organic gardener, and a friend of Einstein He was a true Renaissance Man. He philosophy was , " Whatever therapy works...use it. " Go for it Celeste! a1thighmaster wrote: >Acupuncture has been very helpful for me. It allowed me to finally >recover from a whiplash injury that I incurred when my vehicle was hit >from behind. My auto insurance paid for the treatments that finally >freed up my " frozen " upper spine. I believe that acupuncture has valid >medical applications. > >Remember, don't allow yourself to get stuck on any kind of medicine. >Go for what works. > >Best regards, >Celeste > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 There are some ideas that you can influence the brain to releases endorphins, some can be as powerful as morphine-like compounds, a helpful diet and compensating behaviours (e.g. posture and exercise adjustments) could also help dramatically reduce pain and speed up healing. It may not matter for the person how the beneficial effects occur, however a lot of the these ideas are mysticism, this can be a bad for the person and society because it makes both more vulnerable to destructive forces and can stall our development. B. Monier- wrote: >Celeste: >When I wrote that I was being sarcastic. For there is no scientific >proof of how or why acupuncture works. It works on the " energy centers " >of the body. >My doctor in Montreal when I was about nine in 1940 used Radionics, the >pendulum, chakras, astrology, exercise etc.. He wrote a slim volume in >French. The translated title is " 60 years of Practical Medicine---30 >years in the Dream of Orthodox Medicine followed by 30 years of Radionic >Medicine. " He was an accomplished pianist, organist, ceramist, organic >gardener, and a friend of Einstein He was a true Renaissance Man. He >philosophy was , " Whatever therapy works...use it. " >Go for it Celeste! > > > >a1thighmaster wrote: > > > >>Acupuncture has been very helpful for me. It allowed me to finally >>recover from a whiplash injury that I incurred when my vehicle was hit >> >> >>from behind. My auto insurance paid for the treatments that finally > > >>freed up my " frozen " upper spine. I believe that acupuncture has valid >>medical applications. >> >>Remember, don't allow yourself to get stuck on any kind of medicine. >>Go for what works. >> >>Best regards, >>Celeste >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Whatever. nospam.rwp@... wrote: >There are some ideas that you can influence the brain to releases >endorphins, some can be as powerful as morphine-like compounds, a >helpful diet and compensating behaviours (e.g. posture and exercise >adjustments) could also help dramatically reduce pain and speed up >healing. It may not matter for the person how the beneficial effects >occur, however a lot of the these ideas are mysticism, this can be a bad >for the person and society because it makes both more vulnerable to >destructive forces and can stall our development. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 But, seriously, what has acupuncture got to do with longevity? .. B. Monier- wrote: >Whatever. > > > > > >nospam.rwp@... wrote: > > > >>There are some ideas that you can influence the brain to releases >>endorphins, some can be as powerful as morphine-like compounds, a >>helpful diet and compensating behaviours (e.g. posture and exercise >>adjustments) could also help dramatically reduce pain and speed up >>healing. It may not matter for the person how the beneficial effects >>occur, however a lot of the these ideas are mysticism, this can be a bad >>for the person and society because it makes both more vulnerable to >>destructive forces and can stall our development. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Nospam; If I have to tell you then you need to read up on it. nospam.rwp@... wrote: >But, seriously, what has acupuncture got to do with longevity? >. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 nospam.rwp@... wrote: > There are some ideas that you can influence the brain to releases > endorphins, some can be as powerful as morphine-like compounds, a > helpful diet and compensating behaviours (e.g. posture and exercise > adjustments) could also help dramatically reduce pain and speed up > healing. It may not matter for the person how the beneficial effects > occur, however a lot of the these ideas are mysticism, this can be a bad > for the person and society because it makes both more vulnerable to > destructive forces and can stall our development. I dunno where you get these ideas as you give no references - but the fact that all these alternative approaches such as homeopathy, acupuncture, reiki etc work very well with animals, makes nonsense of what you just said there: Animals are not impressed by " mysticism " and they have no ill effects in " society " nor do they become " vulnerable to destructive forces " due to " alternative approaches " ! I've no idea what you are talking about in fact - do you? ....Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 hi, all, if my email about acupuncture disturbs some of you, I am deeply sorry. first of all, I am not a anti-myotomist. I believe if acupuncture and other tranditional method are not able to release the symtomp I am going to have myotomy in UCSF hospital. Second of all, Chinese is always conservative and greatly concerned about operation. Myotomy is different from the surgery that removes tumor or other foreign bodies out of our system. it actually removes the LES and part of the esophagus that is disorder that is caused by some unknown factors or reasons. Third of all, I guess " successfully " in those Chinese medical website means reduced symptom and patient can eat normally. some of the websites states that the LES and stomach are abserved relaxed by using endoscope and Ultra sound during acupuncture. I hope that acpuncture can get my peristalsis back or help my LES to relax. My acpuncturist suggests me to get acpuncture 2- 3 time per week. and try at least a month to see how it works out. He did not guarantee the disorder will be cured since he also consider it is a rare medical condition. He did not prescribe me any herb tea for now since he believe it is related to disorder of nerve and muscle system that is caused by stress and weakening of the immune system. since I am now having problem swallowing water sometimes, he did not recommand herb tea. if the treatment is effective, than he will prescribe me the herb tea. I understand it may sound wierd to some of you. however, that is how people in China have been treated from a thousand years to now. of course, Chinese people nowaday also use modern medical treatment heavily and effectively. However, traditional method is still popular and effective as well. anyway, I will let you know how it goes. I am following some of you guys paces and face this disorder positively. Thank you for all the commends and support. it is great to join the group and discuss here. Happy new year to all of you. and also Happy swallowing. Quincia > > This is the part of Quincia's letter that I found most interesting and think > has a lot of validity: > > When I talked to my acupuncturist who is also a internalist and > > have 30 years experience in medical field, he mentioned after stress > > and fatigue are accumulated to a certain level, it will exceed and go > > beyond limit our brain and nerve system can control. That is when the > > disorder occurs. This kind of disorder behaves differently from > > individuel to individual. some are minor like headache; some are > > major lke spasm in stomach. it is pretty rare it is happening in > > esophagus, especially LES. Also, when we are under great amount of > > stress or being affected emotionally for a long period of time, our > > hormone and immune system would go out of balance. some of the > > hormone help to stimulate muscle movement; immune system keep us from > > being weak. Once all above happen at the same time, complication > > starts showing up. > > And, I'd like to add that my first thought was that her research showed that the 85-95% effective treatment was the myotomy...this is within what most of us have found in research and Quincia isn't anti- myotomy. But as I re-read it, I think that she is talking about acupuncture and we'll have to see what info she has to provide for us! At any rate, reducing stress would be a great New Year's resolution for all of us, I'm sure! Cindi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I tried acupuncture a year ago, it seem to curb my symptonms for a few weeks, but as soon as I needed another botox treatment, I quit going. Now I'm on to dilations. Anything that helps, even the slightest bit, is worth it. Good luck )qqqqqq_94118 <qqqqqq_94118@...> wrote: hi, all, if my email about acupuncture disturbs some of you, I am deeply sorry. first of all, I am not a anti-myotomist. I believe if acupuncture and other tranditional method are not able to release the symtomp I am going to have myotomy in UCSF hospital. Second of all, Chinese is always conservative and greatly concerned about operation. Myotomy is different from the surgery that removes tumor or other foreign bodies out of our system. it actually removes the LES and part of the esophagus that is disorder that is caused by some unknown factors or reasons. Third of all, I guess "successfully" in those Chinese medical website means reduced symptom and patient can eat normally. some of the websites states that the LES and stomach are abserved relaxed by using endoscope and Ultra sound during acupuncture. I hope that acpuncture can get my peristalsis back or help my LES to relax. My acpuncturist suggests me to get acpuncture 2-3 time per week. and try at least a month to see how it works out. He did not guarantee the disorder will be cured since he also consider it is a rare medical condition. He did not prescribe me any herb tea for now since he believe it is related to disorder of nerve and muscle system that is caused by stress and weakening of the immune system. since I am now having problem swallowing water sometimes, he did not recommand herb tea. if the treatment is effective, than he will prescribe me the herb tea. I understand it may sound wierd to some of you. however, that is how people in China have been treated from a thousand years to now. of course, Chinese people nowaday also use modern medical treatment heavily and effectively. However, traditional method is still popular and effective as well. anyway, I will let you know how it goes. I am following some of you guys paces and face this disorder positively. Thank you for all the commends and support. it is great to join the group and discuss here. Happy new year to all of you. and also Happy swallowing. Quincia>> This is the part of Quincia's letter that I found most interesting and think> has a lot of validity:> > When I talked to my acupuncturist who is also a internalist and> > have 30 years experience in medical field, he mentioned after stress> > and fatigue are accumulated to a certain level, it will exceed and go> > beyond limit our brain and nerve system can control. That is when the> > disorder occurs. This kind of disorder behaves differently from> > individuel to individual. some are minor like headache; some are> > major lke spasm in stomach. it is pretty rare it is happening in> > esophagus, especially LES. Also, when we are under great amount of> > stress or being affected emotionally for a long period of time, our> > hormone and immune system would go out of balance. some of the> > hormone help to stimulate muscle movement; immune system keep us from> > being weak. Once all above happen at the same time, complication> > starts showing up.> > And, I'd like to add that my first thought was that her research showed that the 85-95% effective treatment was the myotomy...this is within what most of us have found in research and Quincia isn't anti-myotomy. But as I re-read it, I think that she is talking about acupuncture and we'll have to see what info she has to provide for us! At any rate, reducing stress would be a great New Year's resolution for all of us, I'm sure! Cindi> Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I refer my patients to Siamak F. Shirazi, LAc, Ph.D. 503.655.0044 He's near I-5 and 217, but a Lake Oswego address Web site for him is: www.2bwell.net He used to be with ASH , I don't know if he still is. Judith E. Allan, DC Lake Oswego On Feb 1, 2006, at 12:28 PM, drsmith wrote: > > Anyone know of an (ugh) ASH acupuncture provider either in Beaverton > area or closer to Vancouver? Thanks, > Darren >  > Darren A. , DC, DACBSP > Diplomate, American Chiropractic Board of Sports Physicians >  > 14125 SW Road > Beaverton, OR 97006 > (503)641-3333 office > (503)351-9653 cell >  > > > OregonDCs rules: > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is > to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on > listserve members will be tolerated. > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. > However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, > forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another > member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers > have been removed. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 ASH protocols only allow 1/2 of the needles to be inserted, the patient has to remove them themselves at home, and they are only allowed 3 visits where the carrier pays $1 for each needle and the rest is patient responsibility. Oh. And 3/4 of the providers on the ASH panel are no longer providers and may not tell anyone under pain of death. ( E. Abrahamson, D.C.) Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com From: drsmith <drsmith@...> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:28:57 -0800 < > Subject: Acupuncture Anyone know of an (ugh) ASH acupuncture provider either in Beaverton area or closer to Vancouver? Thanks, Darren Darren A. , DC, DACBSP Diplomate, American Chiropractic Board of Sports Physicians 14125 SW Road Beaverton, OR 97006 (503)641-3333 office (503)351-9653 cell OregonDCs rules: 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated. 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I have been through accupuncture as well and was so amazed at how much it did not hurt and how much relief it did give me. I am the world's biggest chicken when it comes to needles and use EMLA cream at even the mention of one. My mom said her jaw just dropped when she saw me lying on the table with needles sticking out all over me and I was not going ballistic. It really is incredible when it comes to pain relief. Danette Baker Spokane, WA scraps-of-joy@... My disability is not a handicap @ @\ @ @ @ ---\------ @ @ / / I'll be standing in the gap for you Just remember someone, somewhere Is praying for you Calling out your name Praying for your strength I'll be standing in the gap for you ~ Babbie Mason ~ -- Acupuncture During my first hip replacement, a nerve got pulled, and it was VERY painful NOTHING helped but enough drugs to knock me out. The rehab doctor asked me if I would consider trying acupuncture, and at that point I would have gladly rolled around in strawberry jam if he thought it might help. Acupuncture did give me serious relief, and it was not bad to experience - the needles are so thin that one barely feels them. It definitely helped me get through a bad spell until the nerve healed enough to shut up. Alyce --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 My Experience: a few years ago, before going on MTX: I tried acupucture for 2 months, 3x per week. After initial visit Acupuncturist assured me that he could alleviate or diminish my pain within 1-2weeks. He tried several different methods. After each session, he genuinely thought I would leap off the table and be cured. After 2 months, all payments out of my pocket, no lessening or diminishing of pain, I stopped. I'm not sure if I just didn't have the right guy or what, but it didn't help me at all. Since then, I've been very successfully treating with 10mg of MTX per week. I have virtually no pain, only very sporadic flares. Stay Well, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 I also went for acupuncture, when I had Graves, and I did get better (I also used meds, supplements, and nutrition). AntJoan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Hi I go for acupuncture quite frequently. For me it is for relaxing muscles or pain relief. It is quite effective. Kate Acupuncture Has anyone tried acupuncture here? I have graves and smoke and wondered if it can help me quit. So far I'm doing fairly well not smoking, but these cravings are terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 That is great news and thanks so much for sharing. I have a feeling it works for some, not for others - just like the meds do. However, I think the key is finding a really good acupuncturist. Too many out there who have not received proper or sufficient training. Joanna Hoelscher 630-833-7361 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 mine is in mnpls but she is leaving in the morning for thailand to become a certified chi gong instructor. will be back 2/8/08. 612 735 9993 but don't call till after 2/9. --- Richyne <zaxnana@...> wrote: > I am looking for an acupuncturist, a really good one > near Menomonie WI > - that could be anywhere from Eau to MPLS. > > As for 2007 - I have started the kombucha and have > enlisted about 15 > people to make it themselves. Other than that I > have not scored well > in the healthy food dept. (My friends would tell you > different because > they only see me eat healthy - it is at home where I > tend to " cheat " ) > I have been trying (trying is lying right?) to > loose 5-10 # for about > 5 years. I have managed to not gain either, so I > guess that is a > good thing. You see the thing is I am a dietitian, > so I put a lot of > pressure on myself too. I consider myself a > non-traditional dietitian > because I do not follow the food pyramid and some of > that garbage. I > am a believer in Sally Fallon and Dr. Mercola. My > goal for 2008 is to > loose those 5 lbs and get fit. > > Thats all folks > > Richyne > > It's all in the punctuation: An English professor wrote the words, " Woman without her man is nothing " on the blackboard and directed his students to punctuate it correctly. The men wrote: " Woman, without her man, is nothing. " The women wrote: " Woman: Without her, man is nothing. " FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD...... that means you, me, them, everybody! d ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 rebeka ndosi 612.327.2094 also the pindoctor . com these are both working class acupuncture meaning that it is a sliding scale from 15 to 25 bucks a visit. Most of the time it takes several visits to get your issue resolved so this makes it really affordable. I'm really happy with Rebeka she does deeper insertion and I seem to get more " relief " BUT the pin doctor Mats is better hours and across from trader joes. andrea Richyne <zaxnana@...> wrote: I am looking for an acupuncturist, a really good one near Menomonie WI - that could be anywhere from Eau to MPLS. As for 2007 - I have started the kombucha and have enlisted about 15 people to make it themselves. Other than that I have not scored well in the healthy food dept. (My friends would tell you different because they only see me eat healthy - it is at home where I tend to " cheat " ) I have been trying (trying is lying right?) to loose 5-10 # for about 5 years. I have managed to not gain either, so I guess that is a good thing. You see the thing is I am a dietitian, so I put a lot of pressure on myself too. I consider myself a non-traditional dietitian because I do not follow the food pyramid and some of that garbage. I am a believer in Sally Fallon and Dr. Mercola. My goal for 2008 is to loose those 5 lbs and get fit. Thats all folks Richyne --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Richyne, I've used Kari Laufenberg in CF. She's very down to earth and seems very knowledgeable. 715-831-8223. On another topic, if you are practicing, please send me some business cards & brochures, I may have people to refer to you. Blessings, beth beth Buchele HMC* Professional Homeopath Offices in St. Louis Park, MN 952-933-6068 and Menomonie, WI 715-231-6068 (http://www.healthnaturally.biz/) w_ww.healthnaturally.biz_ (http://www.healthnaturally.biz/) " Natural Health for Mind and Body " *Homeopathic Master Clinician In a message dated 1/2/2008 10:00:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, zaxnana@... writes: I am looking for an acupuncturist, a really good one near Menomonie WI - that could be anywhere from Eau to MPLS. As for 2007 - I have started the kombucha and have enlisted about 15 people to make it themselves. Other than that I have not scored well in the healthy food dept. (My friends would tell you different because they only see me eat healthy - it is at home where I tend to " cheat " ) I have been trying (trying is lying right?) to loose 5-10 # for about 5 years. I have managed to not gain either, so I guess that is a good thing. You see the thing is I am a dietitian, so I put a lot of pressure on myself too. I consider myself a non-traditional dietitian because I do not follow the food pyramid and some of that garbage. I am a believer in Sally Fallon and Dr. Mercola. My goal for 2008 is to loose those 5 lbs and get fit. Thats all folks Richyne Links beth Buchele HMC* Professional Homeopath Offices in St. Louis Park, MN 952-933-6068 and Menomonie, WI 715-231-6068 (http://www.healthnaturally.biz/) w_ww.healthnaturally.biz_ (http://www.healthnaturally.biz/) " Natural Health for Mind and Body " *Homeopathic Master Clinician **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 I find that it helps me. My husband is an acupuncturist, so it makes it very easy for me to get treatments. I also take a very specific Chinese herbal formula that was created by the acupuncturist that my husband works with. One thing that a lot of people don't know is that acupuncture is actually more about the herbs than the needles. I get treated 2x a week with the needles and take the herb 2x a day. If I have a day that my legs are tight or if I am really tired(not often since starting LDN), my husband will do an extra treatment and I feel better. Some say it is a placebo affect, I say I don't care because either way I feel better. If you have additional questions, feel free to email me. dx 2005 LDN 8/07 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Vickie....I swear by acupuncture. I have RRMS as well and am LDN. Just make sure your acupuncturists knows what they are doing. Like I choose one that was 20 plus years exprienced. She is great! She has helped me through many symptoms and other problems outside of MS. Wish you the Best! Let me know how it goes. donna --- " vic a. " <madlou@...> wrote: > > I've been thinking about trying the acupuncture. Has > anyone out there found it helpful? > > Vickie > RRMS > > Live simply, Love generously, > Care deeply,Speak kindly, > Leave the rest to God > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 hi vickie,i'm italian and i have had several acupunture tratments. i got a lot of improvements in my bladder empting,stifness and pains. you shall find a good acupunture maker and surely it will help you in some ms symptoms. my best emiliano ----- Messaggio originale -----Da: vic a. <madlou@...>A: low dose naltrexone Inviato: Venerdì 25 gennaio 2008, 1:23:01Oggetto: [low dose naltrexone] acupuncture I've been thinking about trying the acupuncture. Hasanyone out there found it helpful?VickieRRMSLive simply, Love generously,Care deeply,Speak kindly,Leave the rest to God____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- GN- this is what your link said when I went to it- " Sorry, there is no World Net Daily Web page matching your request. It's possible you typed the address incorrectly, or that the page no longer exists. As an option, please visit any of the pages below: GO TO PAGE 1 GO TO PAGE 2 GO TO COMMENTARY SEARCH WND CONTACT WND " Maybe it's expired or something. Anyway, have you looked in to acupuncture as a remedy? It seems like you're going the natural route somewhat so I was curious- som > > Check out this article. > http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=600 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 I've had one session where I was quite dizzy afterward, but I laid on the table longer than 20 mins and had fallen asleep. I have the little electrodes on the needles. It seems like you were having sessions very close together. I only go every two weeks. Wondering if that might be why you reacted as you did with the bruising etc. I was told that I might have some bruising, but haven't noticed any. If it were me, I would try a different acupuncturist and maybe only once a week. It has helped me keep pain at bay longer with each treatment. Deb Halvorson Acupuncture may help Fibromyalgia symptomsNothing new here but worth considering if yuor health insurance covers it. Mine doesnot. heidiAcupuncture Relieves Symptoms Of Fibromyalgia, Mayo Clinic Study FindsScienceDaily (Jun. 13, 2006) — Evidence suggests acupuncture reduces the symptoms of fibromyalgia, according to a Mayo Clinic studFibromyalgia is a disorder considered disabling by many, and is characterized by chronic, widespread musculoskeletal pain and symptoms such as fatigue, joint stiffness and sleep disturbance. No cure is known and available treatments are only partially effective.Mayo's study involved 50 fibromyalgia patients enrolled in a randomized, controlled trial to determine if acupuncture improved their symptoms. Symptoms of patients who received acupuncture significantly improved compared with the control group, according to the study published in the June issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings."The results of the study convince me there is something more than the placebo effect to acupuncture," says , M.D., Ph.D., lead author of the acupuncture article and a Mayo Clinic anesthesiologist. "It affirms a lot of clinical impressions that this complementary medical technique is helpful for patients."Increasingly, patients are interested in pursuing complementary medicine techniques in conjunction with their mainstream medical care, Dr. says. But often, such techniques lack scientific evidence to justify a patient's expense and time.The study lends credence to patients' belief that nontraditional methods may improve their health. In Mayo's trial, patients who received acupuncture to counter their fibromyalgia symptoms reported improvement in fatigue and anxiety, among other symptoms. Acupuncture was well tolerated, with minimal side effects.Mayo's acupuncture study is one of only three randomized and controlled studies involving fibromyalgia patients. Of the other studies, one found acupuncture to be helpful, while the other reported it was ineffective for pain relief.Dr. says Mayo's study demonstrates that acupuncture is helpful, and also proves physicians can conduct a rigorous, controlled acupuncture study. Future research could help physicians understand which medical conditions respond best to acupuncture, how to apply it to best relieve symptoms, and how long patients can expect to their symptoms to decrease after each treatment.Dr. performed the study at Mayo Clinic Rochester with co-authors Ines Berger, M.D.; Sletten, Ph.D.; and Brent . ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: dominie/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: dominie/join ( ID required)<*> To change settings via email: mailto:dominie-digest mailto:dominie-fullfeatured <*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I have had many acupuncture treatments and have had the occasional bruise but nothing major like you have. Find someone who knows what they are doing, it shouldn't hurt and cause only mild discomfort when they put the needles in. Mind you if they hit a spot that is really "blocked" you will have a bit of pain but it should subside and this means that the treatment is working. My family doctor is Chinese and he does acupuncture as well as herbal medicines, but a physical therapist I used to see also did it and was quite good. I usually have 10 treatments (30 minutes each) over 3 weeks. Try doing relaxation exercises while you're lying on the bed with the needles in. I only have these treatments about once a year. From: Debbie Halvorson <djh_50fab@...>Subject: Re: Acupuncturedominie Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 8:23 PM I've had one session where I was quite dizzy afterward, but I laid on the table longer than 20 mins and had fallen asleep. I have the little electrodes on the needles. It seems like you were having sessions very close together. I only go every two weeks. Wondering if that might be why you reacted as you did with the bruising etc. I was told that I might have some bruising, but haven't noticed any. If it were me, I would try a different acupuncturist and maybe only once a week. It has helped me keep pain at bay longer with each treatment. Deb Halvorson Acupuncture may help Fibromyalgia symptomsNothing new here but worth considering if yuor health insurance covers it. Mine doesnot. heidiAcupuncture Relieves Symptoms Of Fibromyalgia, Mayo Clinic Study FindsScienceDaily (Jun. 13, 2006) — Evidence suggests acupuncture reduces the symptoms of fibromyalgia, according to a Mayo Clinic studFibromyalgia is a disorder considered disabling by many, and is characterized by chronic, widespread musculoskeletal pain and symptoms such as fatigue, joint stiffness and sleep disturbance. No cure is known and available treatments are only partially effective.Mayo's study involved 50 fibromyalgia patients enrolled in a randomized, controlled trial to determine if acupuncture improved their symptoms. Symptoms of patients who received acupuncture significantly improved compared with the control group, according to the study published in the June issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings."The results of the study convince me there is something more than the placebo effect to acupuncture, " says , M.D., Ph.D., lead author of the acupuncture article and a Mayo Clinic anesthesiologist. "It affirms a lot of clinical impressions that this complementary medical technique is helpful for patients."Increasingly, patients are interested in pursuing complementary medicine techniques in conjunction with their mainstream medical care, Dr. says. But often, such techniques lack scientific evidence to justify a patient's expense and time.The study lends credence to patients' belief that nontraditional methods may improve their health. In Mayo's trial, patients who received acupuncture to counter their fibromyalgia symptoms reported improvement in fatigue and anxiety, among other symptoms. Acupuncture was well tolerated, with minimal side effects.Mayo's acupuncture study is one of only three randomized and controlled studies involving fibromyalgia patients. Of the other studies, one found acupuncture to be helpful, while the other reported it was ineffective for pain relief.Dr. says Mayo's study demonstrates that acupuncture is helpful, and also proves physicians can conduct a rigorous, controlled acupuncture study. Future research could help physicians understand which medical conditions respond best to acupuncture, how to apply it to best relieve symptoms, and how long patients can expect to their symptoms to decrease after each treatment.Dr. performed the study at Mayo Clinic Rochester with co-authors Ines Berger, M.D.; Sletten, Ph.D.; and Brent . ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ------------ --------- --------- ------ Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups. / group/dominie/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups. / group/dominie/ join ( ID required)<*> To change settings via email: mailto:dominie-digest mailto:dominie-fullfeature dgroups (DOT) com<*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 I have been advised to try accupuncture by those who use LDN, so I would say go for it. Art -- > > is there a problem doing this on ldn? > i thought i read that it gets blocked like pain meds? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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