Acupuncture

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Hi ,

My friend was doing that in Ontario, until the government found out and they

outlawed non-farmers from owning cows or shares of cows.

How sad is that?

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> > In Wisconsin we buy shares of a cow. Loophole ... you can do what you wish

with your own cow's milk. --

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I did for about six weeks. Although it was

relaxing, it did help any of my symptoms.

Steve

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samters [mailto:samters ] On Behalf Of Roth

Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 6:39

PM

samters

Subject: Acupuncture

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone tried

acupuncture? If so, was there any relief with it?

Thanks..

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I did too and I didn't get any releief from my Samters, but I did get huge releif with my rash associated with samters. Not just accupuncture, but the medicine too.

Becky

From: Steve man(cox) <sjpeterman@...>samters Sent: Monday, 10 August, 2009 4:22:25Subject: RE: Acupuncture

I did for about six weeks. Although it was relaxing, it did help any of my symptoms.

Steve

From: samters@groups .com [mailto:samters] On Behalf Of RothSent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 6:39 PMsamters@groups .comSubject: Acupuncture

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone tried acupuncture? If so, was there any relief with it?

Thanks..

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I tried it once, a long time ago.

My opinion can best be summarized as: Meh.

Sara

On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:06 06PM, beedwoman wrote:

> I have bilaterally pinched nerves which are getting worse. I know several

people who've found pain relief for various forms of pain through acupuncture,

and I'm thinking about trying it myself.

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, I don't have nerve pain, but use finger accupressure if I have tender

trigger points anywhere in my body. I am not sure though that the relief I get

is more than temporary. Doug

From: beedwoman <beedwoman@...>

Subject: [ ] Acupuncture

Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 9:06 PM

 

I have bilaterally pinched nerves which are getting worse. I know several

people who've found pain relief for various forms of pain through acupuncture,

and I'm thinking about trying it myself.

Has anyone here tried acupuncture for nerve pain? Did it help you?

[Guest guest]

I have used acupuncture for a bartonella related problem, fibromyalgia, every

three weeks for at least 12 years. It is not a pinched nerve, but I have found

that the effect is subtle. However, if I accidentally miss an appointment, I am

very very sorry. Since I have had lyme in the last two years, she has worked

with me to minimize the symptoms of the fibro that got much worse when lyme

showed up.

Kathleen

I have bilaterally pinched nerves which are getting worse. I know several

people who've found pain relief for various forms of pain through acupuncture,

and I'm thinking about trying it myself. Has anyone here tried acupuncture for

nerve pain? Did it help you?

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Hi there, .

I also have bilaterally pinched nerves (in my neck), which are getting worse and

worse as time goes on. I had one " cleaned out " 3.5 years ago, but the

impingement in that spot is already moderate and just progressing.

I lived with the situation until (unbeknownst to my docs or me) a disc extruded

and completely pinched off the nerve. I tried PT, a TENS unit, and very strong

oral steroids (dexamethasone) as a last ditch before surgery. The pain was so

bad for months that I was going nuts!

Anyway, I didn't try acupuncture myself. I'm not against it: I think it can

really be helpful in some pain situations. But, in my opinion, if it does help

it will be very transient. The next time you move wrong... well, I'm sure you're

living it now. The PT folks didn't want to keep on trying to treat me, fearing

they'd do more damage. And that's the issue: are you having possibly permanent

damage happen to these nerves? Or is it " just " nerve irriation?

I'm getting some relief with neurontin, an NSAID, and pain meds, but not nearly

enough. I don't think it'd hurt you to try acupuncture, but would warn against

getting your hopes up too high. Until and unless the impingement is eliminated,

anything you do will be stop-gap at best. (You didn't mention whether the

pinching is from arthritis, disc bulge, etc.)

I belong to a spinal issues group that might give you some good feedback (if you

want the url, email me and I'll send it to you). I would also do research into

the actual condition you have (e.g. cervical spondylosis, lumbar disc disease,

etc.) and see if you find anything that mentions acupuncture.

I sure hope you get some relief soon! I've been suffering with this for years

and it can be very hard to keep your spirits up, let alone get anything done.

All best,

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> I have bilaterally pinched nerves which are getting worse. I know several

people who've found pain relief for various forms of pain through acupuncture,

and I'm thinking about trying it myself.

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> Has anyone here tried acupuncture for nerve pain? Did it help you?

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Hi ,

I know what the pinched nerve thing is all about and boy, is it painful! I

feel so badly for you. I have a couple of compressed discs (upper

thoracic/cervical and lumbar) and did all sorts of things for pain, including

injections, massage, chiropractic and acupuncture. My chiropractor has probably

been the best for that and she does a wonderful specialty work - it's an

upper-cervical release first, then when that holds, working on the rest of the

body. I have also watched my son go through pinched nerve pain and it's brutal.

Fortunately, I'm a massage therapist and craniosacral therapist, so I can help

him with this and, even with that, it's been rough. He has lyme, too, which

makes things way worse.

Oddly, there are two other things that've helped tremendously and taken me from

spasming pain all the time to about 95% relief... the first is a whole body

nutritional cleanse, that reduces the toxin load in the body, which reduces

toxins in those areas and lowers general pain and the trigger point pain. One

of the components to this is an amazing whey-protein based drink that is not

from here - the whey is brought in from Australia/New Zealand, is denatured and

organic and has trace ionic minerals added, so the uptake of nutrients is in the

70-90% range (instead of 10-30%, which is what we normally uptake, given typical

diet/digestive system). With the quality protein helping, my muscles in the

pain areas grew stronger and I was able to start holding treatments. Before

this, I would feel my back go out as I was getting off the treatment table.

The second thing is the teasel essence treatments... Last year, I had an

accident - a head hit from the left side. Even with the nutritional support, my

head shifted to the right and I have been spasming a lot because of it. Even

the chiropractic treatments, that were working, started to not be as effective.

It really weakened my whole system, which was already weak from dealing with

lyme, 24/7. Anyway, my experience of using the teasel essences was, that after

about 5 or 6 sessions, as my body shifted into more harmony with lyme, I had a

whole lot more energy freed up to support core functions, including

strengthening the muscles... more of my nutrients could go to support instead of

trying to rally my immune system to fight... at least, this is how it has shown

up for me. My neck has held a treatment ever since that 5th or 6th teasel

session and pain is down 90%.

Give a call if you want to know more. Good luck to you,

Cindi

Re: [ ] Acupuncture

, I don't have nerve pain, but use finger accupressure if I have tender

trigger points anywhere in my body. I am not sure though that the relief I get

is more than temporary. Doug

[Guest guest]

My husband tried 20 treatments of accupuncture with a traditional Chinese

medicine doctor. It relaxed him at a stressful time, but he saw no difference

for his esophagus.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I find relief with acupuncture - both for my joint aches and headaches from my

benign brain tumor. At present, I have full-body acupuncture which is supposed

to help circulation (kidney and liver function) as well. Acupuncture doctors

don't all have the exact same treatment techniques, though, but I have seen many

acupuncture doctors over several years and they all give me some relief of

whatever condition I happen to be dealing with then.

In case you're wondering, I am an ethnic Chinese.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Rose

From: SueL

Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 12:31 PM

Subject: [ ] Acupuncture

I am new to the group. My mother was diagnosed with RA when she was 65 and lived

to be 85. I am almost 60 and started having transient joint pain in April. I

finally convinced my doctor to refer me to a rhuemy and it is taking weeks to

get in. Also, my GP left her practice this month and I have to find a new doctor

to replace her. I have an appt. this week with an internal medicine doc who also

does acupunture. I have an autoimmune disease that causes liver damage already

so I'm afraid I won't be able to take some of the meds that help with joint

damage. Does anyone use acuputure for pain control and if so I was wondering if

you could share your experience?

Sue in IN

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Welcome to the group, Sue. It is a very supportive group, and our

moderator posts relevant articles to keep us informed.

Not all of the DMARD's for RA affect the liver adversely. Hopefully

there will be one that you can tolerate.

What is the other autoimmune disease that you have? Unfortunately,

when you have one, you are more susceptible to developing another one.

I've never had acupuncture, so can't help you with that. My RA is very

well controlled with Enbrel.

Sue

On Sep 12, 2010, at 7:31 AM, SueL wrote:

> I am new to the group. My mother was diagnosed with RA when she was

> 65 and lived to be 85. I am almost 60 and started having transient

> joint pain in April. I finally convinced my doctor to refer me to a

> rhuemy and it is taking weeks to get in. Also, my GP left her

> practice this month and I have to find a new doctor to replace her.

> I have an appt. this week with an internal medicine doc who also

> does acupunture. I have an autoimmune disease that causes liver

> damage already so I'm afraid I won't be able to take some of the

> meds that help with joint damage. Does anyone use acuputure for pain

> control and if so I was wondering if you could share your experience?

> Sue in IN

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In a message dated 9/12/2010 12:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

marysue@... writes:

Welcome to the group, Sue. It is a very supportive group, and our

moderator posts relevant articles to keep us informed.

Not all of the DMARD's for RA affect the liver adversely. Hopefully

there will be one that you can tolerate.

What is the other autoimmune disease that you have? Unfortunately,

when you have one, you are more susceptible to developing another one.

I've never had acupuncture, so can't help you with that. My RA is very

well controlled with Enbrel. >

I vaguely remember a study being posted here recently that said that

acupuncture was shown to not help RA, but it didn't hurt either.

dd

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Hi Sue,

Fairly new to the group myself - I've been reading more than talking.  I have

RA and Fibro. and Acupuncture was recommended to me by my family practice doc. 

I have used it on a regular basis for a little over a month now.  It has helped

with some of the pain, I wouldn't say it take it away, but where I have really

noticed a difference is mobility.  I currently have a frozen shoulder and

between PT and acupuncture I have seen my mobility improve and my pain

decrease.  I do PT first and then see the acupuncturist.  This helps to reduce

the stiffness and pain that PT brings on.  I will also add that while on the

table with acupuncture I have felt a relaxation I haven't felt before with other

therapies.

Barbara

From: SueL <sue3014@...>

Subject: [ ] Acupuncture

Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 4:31 AM

 

I am new to the group. My mother was diagnosed with RA when she was 65 and

lived to be 85. I am almost 60 and started having transient joint pain in April.

I finally convinced my doctor to refer me to a rhuemy and it is taking weeks to

get in. Also, my GP left her practice this month and I have to find a new doctor

to replace her. I have an appt. this week with an internal medicine doc who also

does acupunture. I have an autoimmune disease that causes liver damage already

so I'm afraid I won't be able to take some of the meds that help with joint

damage. Does anyone use acuputure for pain control and if so I was wondering if

you could share your experience?

Sue in IN

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Hi - I tried Acupucture for a while. It seemed to help in the begining, but the

effects wore off quickly for me. You may have different results as we are all

different and acupunture is so dependent on the practisioner. Good Luck!

Meg in MO

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> I am new to the group. My mother was diagnosed with RA when she was 65 and

lived to be 85. I am almost 60 and started having transient joint pain in April.

I finally convinced my doctor to refer me to a rhuemy and it is taking weeks to

get in. Also, my GP left her practice this month and I have to find a new doctor

to replace her. I have an appt. this week with an internal medicine doc who also

does acupunture. I have an autoimmune disease that causes liver damage already

so I'm afraid I won't be able to take some of the meds that help with joint

damage. Does anyone use acuputure for pain control and if so I was wondering if

you could share your experience?

> Sue in IN

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I was diagnosed with Primary Biliary Cirrhosis in December. The diagnosis was

made as the result of a routine liver function test done when they did my

cholesterol test. 90% of those diagnosed are women and only 1 in 50,000 people

are diagnosed which means the docs don't know hardly anything about it. It is a

autoimmune disorder of the bile ducts which in turn damages the liver. I do not

have cirrhosis yet but I do have scarring. My lab work indicates that the

medication is working to slow the process down. I really worry the liver disease

will limit the choices of medications I can take if I do have RA and since any

medication is filtered through the liver I also worry about more damage. My

first appt. with the rheumy is Tuesday after waiting two months to get in to see

him...wish me luck.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue.

     Welcome to our wonderful group.  I was sorry to read that you are

having liver issues.

 

I hope your new Rheumy is nice and can really help you a lot.  Good luck in

your appointment.

 

Hugs,

 

Barbara

From: SueL <sue3014@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Acupuncture

Date: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 9:25 AM

 

I was diagnosed with Primary Biliary Cirrhosis in December. The diagnosis was

made as the result of a routine liver function test done when they did my

cholesterol test. 90% of those diagnosed are women and only 1 in 50,000 people

are diagnosed which means the docs don't know hardly anything about it. It is a

autoimmune disorder of the bile ducts which in turn damages the liver. I do not

have cirrhosis yet but I do have scarring. My lab work indicates that the

medication is working to slow the process down. I really worry the liver disease

will limit the choices of medications I can take if I do have RA and since any

medication is filtered through the liver I also worry about more damage. My

first appt. with the rheumy is Tuesday after waiting two months to get in to see

him...wish me luck.

[Guest guest]

Jon,

White (money provided by government) paid for acupuncture, massage and some other things for people with HIV/AIDS for many years here in Portland, Oregon...near where I live in Vancouver, Washington. That's how I received it. Most of my supplements I purchase from the website www.swansonvitamins.com which provides the best prices there are on many brand name supplements. Another great website for that is www.vitacost.com , but I find the prices on the first one better. Sometimes Vitacost may have certain things available that Swanson doesn't have though. As for my HIV meds, I'm fortunate enough to be on my husband's group insurance, so I only pay co-pays for my meds. I don't take that for granted though. If he died before me, I would not have that option. He doesn't have HIV, but HIV has taught me how vulnerable life really is.

"I guess one of my questions is, how do you guys afford all these special treatments, medications (expensive over the counter, for example) and procedures, especially the long-term ones that insurance insurance won't pay for, or has a high co-pay? What about the people who don't have insurance at all? Some of you talk as if you have an unending stream of money! For most of us (I'm guessing), that's a fantasy and will never happen. I'm fortunate that I do have insurance, but the co-pay's are pretty hefty for many of my prescriptions. I certainly can't afford to do anything that my insurance doesn't cover. Jon Markle"Raleigh, NC

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Acupuncture for Pain No Better Than Placebo -- And Not Without Harm,

Study Finds

ScienceDaily (Mar. 23, 2011) — Although acupuncture is commonly used

for pain control, doubts about its effectiveness and safety remain.

Investigators from the Universities of Exeter & Plymouth (Exeter, UK)

and the Korea Institute of Oriental Medicine (Daejeon, South Korea)

critically evaluated systematic reviews of acupuncture as a treatment

of pain in order to explore this question. Reporting in the April 2011

issue of PAIN®, they conclude that numerous systematic reviews have

generated little truly convincing evidence that acupuncture is

effective in reducing pain, and serious adverse effects continue to be

reported.

Read the entire article here:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110324104147.htm

Sue

[Guest guest]

I tried this once, I came out worst then I went in.

I came out with a pounding headache and flush all over.

She said my Chi " was stuck and my body was poisoned by all my Meds.

All I know is I felt awful afterwords.

Ve

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> Acupuncture for Pain No Better Than Placebo -- And Not Without Harm,

> Study Finds

> ScienceDaily (Mar. 23, 2011) — Although acupuncture is commonly used

> for pain control, doubts about its effectiveness and safety remain.

> Investigators from the Universities of Exeter & Plymouth (Exeter, UK)

> and the Korea Institute of Oriental Medicine (Daejeon, South Korea)

> critically evaluated systematic reviews of acupuncture as a treatment

> of pain in order to explore this question. Reporting in the April 2011

> issue of PAIN®, they conclude that numerous systematic reviews have

> generated little truly convincing evidence that acupuncture is

> effective in reducing pain, and serious adverse effects continue to be

> reported.

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> Read the entire article here:

>

> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110324104147.htm

>

> Sue

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I hate it when my Chi gets stuck.....

Bill S.