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I have tried a lot of alternative therapies and

none of them did anything but empty my pocketbook even

though many people assured me they would work. Just give

it enough time. There are studies going on, maybe

you can find a trial to participate in for what you

are particularly interested in. That's the only valid

reason for trying alternative medicine, in my humble

opinion, after going through what I've gone through and

I'm STILL doing the Peg-Intron and Rebetol because

none of the alternatives worked.

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I have tried a lot of alternative therapies and

none of them did anything but empty my pocketbook even

though many people assured me they would work. Just give

it enough time. There are studies going on, maybe

you can find a trial to participate in for what you

are particularly interested in. That's the only valid

reason for trying alternative medicine, in my humble

opinion, after going through what I've gone through and

I'm STILL doing the Peg-Intron and Rebetol because

none of the alternatives worked.

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I've read Dr. 's book. I don't remember what she said about those things

though-st. johns wort, 5htp, ginko biloba. She has recommended some other

things that I've tried though.

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I've read Dr. 's book. I don't remember what she said about those things

though-st. johns wort, 5htp, ginko biloba. She has recommended some other

things that I've tried though.

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I've read Dr. 's book. I don't remember what she said about those things

though-st. johns wort, 5htp, ginko biloba. She has recommended some other

things that I've tried though.

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I've read Dr. 's book. I don't remember what she said about those things

though-st. johns wort, 5htp, ginko biloba. She has recommended some other

things that I've tried though.

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Nick,

It really depends on how long you've been off the drugs. Are you having

some rough times? If you haven't read this information, I encourage you to

do so:

http://www.prozactruth.com/taper.htm

http://www.prozactruth.com/tapertest.htm

http://www.prozactruth.com/gluta.htm

If you have any questions, let me know. I also strongly encourage that you

read Dr. Ann Blake 's book, " Prozac- Panacea or Pandora " . She provides

a ton of information on not only how to taper safely, but what alternative

products are safe and effective.

You might be able to borrow a copy from your library. If not, it's

available at her website:

http://www.drugawareness.org or from Amazon.com

~The Avenging Angel

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Nick,

It really depends on how long you've been off the drugs. Are you having

some rough times? If you haven't read this information, I encourage you to

do so:

http://www.prozactruth.com/taper.htm

http://www.prozactruth.com/tapertest.htm

http://www.prozactruth.com/gluta.htm

If you have any questions, let me know. I also strongly encourage that you

read Dr. Ann Blake 's book, " Prozac- Panacea or Pandora " . She provides

a ton of information on not only how to taper safely, but what alternative

products are safe and effective.

You might be able to borrow a copy from your library. If not, it's

available at her website:

http://www.drugawareness.org or from Amazon.com

~The Avenging Angel

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SSRI medications

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:59:10 EDT

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Nick,

It really depends on how long you've been off the drugs. Are you having

some rough times? If you haven't read this information, I encourage you to

do so:

http://www.prozactruth.com/taper.htm

http://www.prozactruth.com/tapertest.htm

http://www.prozactruth.com/gluta.htm

If you have any questions, let me know. I also strongly encourage that you

read Dr. Ann Blake 's book, " Prozac- Panacea or Pandora " . She provides

a ton of information on not only how to taper safely, but what alternative

products are safe and effective.

You might be able to borrow a copy from your library. If not, it's

available at her website:

http://www.drugawareness.org or from Amazon.com

~The Avenging Angel

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From: rtskool@...

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SSRI medications

Subject: alternatives

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:59:10 EDT

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Nick,

It really depends on how long you've been off the drugs. Are you having

some rough times? If you haven't read this information, I encourage you to

do so:

http://www.prozactruth.com/taper.htm

http://www.prozactruth.com/tapertest.htm

http://www.prozactruth.com/gluta.htm

If you have any questions, let me know. I also strongly encourage that you

read Dr. Ann Blake 's book, " Prozac- Panacea or Pandora " . She provides

a ton of information on not only how to taper safely, but what alternative

products are safe and effective.

You might be able to borrow a copy from your library. If not, it's

available at her website:

http://www.drugawareness.org or from Amazon.com

~The Avenging Angel

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From: rtskool@...

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Subject: alternatives

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:59:10 EDT

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I want to say a around 6 weeks ago I was in the same position you

are. I was trying to decide whether to have the myotomy within a

matter of weeks and destroy my natural, but non-functioning sphincter

or find some way to heal myself. And, I even went to the surgery

table still undecided (which, of course, is not a good idea). I had

to give up my adolescent belief that my body was still somehow

perfect and that I could rise above this. In my case, I had lost

pounds that I could not afford to lose, had gotten extremely weak,

and could not eat anything except protein powder and cold tea. I had

waited too long, it had taken me over, and I had no real choice but

to do the surgery.

I think it depends on your symptoms, how intense they are, and how

progessed the disease is, as to whether you might delay a bit and try

some alternatives. But, I also believe the only alternative that

might possibly work is not medical, but requires a total life style

change -- like getting away from ones routine, i.e., work, computers,

interpersonal issues, etc., and doing yoga, meditation, etc., --

slowing down -- if that is possible for you. That is what I would

have done, if I had taken better care of myself earlier. And,

believe me, I don't mean to say that I made this happen to me; I just

mean that I didn't look at alternatives early on.

On the other side of surgery, I still kicked myself for awhile --

every time I would get a spasm and/or maybe reflux -- and I got a

pretty big one last night. (My doc says the spasms will go away,

though.) But, truly the ability to eat again makes the surgery all

worthwhile. I am strong and gaining weight. I pitched softball two

weeks after my surgery. And, no food comes back up when I eat. I am

grateful that we live in an age that we can get relief from this

disease. And, I am thankful.

Good luck.

> Hi all!

>

> I am scheduled for surgery 8/24 at USC with Tom Demeester; but have

> been busy looking at alternatives. I have appreciated everyones

> comments and it appears as everyone here ultimately gets surgery.

Is

> there anyone here who has avoided it? Please tell me what you are

> doing. I had a chiropractic treatment yesterday and it seemed to

> abate my symtems considerably. Probalbly the worst thing about

this

> desease is not being able to get a decent nights sleep without

> choking to death or sitting up right. I have my bed raised. My

wife

> hates it and it still doesn't help me get through the night. I am

> currently looking for an accupuncturist to see if that might

help.

> Your thoughts and comments are appreciated. I know I am probably

> swimming upstream against the enevitable, but I just hate the

thought

> and permanence of surgery.

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Hi ,

also keep in mind that you develop with time a megaesophagus when you

have achalasia. That means your esophagus becomes wider and wider due

to the food that stucks. You can see pictures on the page

www.achalasia.com.

This is irreversible even after a myotomy. Therefore for a treatment

there is the rule, the earlier the better. Don't try alternatives just

because they sound nicer, but only waste time in the end.

Lars.

> Hi all!

>

> I am scheduled for surgery 8/24 at USC with Tom Demeester; but have

> been busy looking at alternatives. I have appreciated everyones

> comments and it appears as everyone here ultimately gets surgery.

Is

> there anyone here who has avoided it? Please tell me what you are

> doing. I had a chiropractic treatment yesterday and it seemed to

> abate my symtems considerably. Probalbly the worst thing about this

> desease is not being able to get a decent nights sleep without

> choking to death or sitting up right. I have my bed raised. My

wife

> hates it and it still doesn't help me get through the night. I am

> currently looking for an accupuncturist to see if that might help.

> Your thoughts and comments are appreciated. I know I am probably

> swimming upstream against the enevitable, but I just hate the

thought

> and permanence of surgery.

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Hi Micky,

Thanks for sharing your views. I value your opinion. BTW, I used to live

in Asia and have been involved with Asia for 35 years. In fact, the average

lifespan of the Chinese (in mainland China), is 68 years - considerably less

than most western societies. Their lifespan is shorter, not longer. While

this may be blamed on a host of modern ills including raging pollution from the

high sulphur content of their oil, the fact is that western societies also

live with pollution and yet our lifespan is longer. Some of this is due to

the skewing in numbers caused by higher rates of infant mortality found in

China, however, we have higher rates of death from things like drug addiction,

crime and car accidents in the western world that should balance some of that

out - in the end, those who live in Western societies tend to live longer than

mainland Chinese.

There is no question that the drug companies are in it for profit. That's

why your pension monies are, in part, invested in pharmaceutical stocks. Our

entire western societal structure is based on those with needs and those who

fill needs. If drug companies didn't make money, there would be NO money for

research. We can pooh pooh SOME western medicine, but where would we be

without vaccines for diseases such as polio? Weeds and extracts didn't rid the

world of this scourge. Where would we be without antibiotics? How many MORE

people would die if their blood pressure was left uncontrolled or their

thyroid left to run amok or their cancer allowed to course through their body

untreated by chemo? Where would we be without western blood thinners and PAIN

meds and drugs such as anti-venoms? Yes, western medicine is far from perfect

but without it this planet would be in far worse shape. It is interesting

that one of the first things a developing country does (including those in

Asia) is to increase its access to Western medical treatments.

In any event, I am no stranger to Chinese medicine or philosophy and have

studied under a master chi gung practicioner. Do I think that all things

eastern are wrong and that all things western are right? Of course not. There

are MANY things wrong with western society including western medicine and the

supervision of pharmaceutical companies. However, there are also many, MANY

shortcomings in eastern medicines and in homeopathic practices. It is an

imperfect world. I think there is room in a wellness approach to take the best

that both worlds have to offer. They need not be mutually exclusive or at odds

with one another.

At the end of the day, contributed a great deal but he was banned

because he treated a moderator rudely. No moderator should ever have to put up

with that - no matter how bright or interesting or important the message may

be from the contributor.

Kathy F.

In a message dated 2/7/2005 6:43:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mickysz@... writes:

Hi Kathy

You do a wonderful job moderating this group it must be very difficult to

make decisions about what goes in and out of the group, and I sure am glad

you are there for us. But.....

Here is another food for thought for you and the group.

To my mind there are about 100 posters who regularly contribute to this

board. Of those I know a lot of them are on Western Medication and of those

some have been on western meds for most of their Adult lives, but the really

strange thing is that of those core group of people around half are still

suffering very badly from their ongoing arthritis etc and this is with the

drugs! I'm never going to say that anyone should not take them, but ....and

this is the really good bit , some people swear by totally unorthodox

methods when it comes to any kind of chronic condition, Arthritis, Cancer,

heart disease etc ..One billion Chinese people for a start are known for

their unorthodox meds, and for some reason they have one of the longest life

spans of all the different cultures throughout the world. How can that be?

Is it because they know something that we don't? That man made meds are not

natural and therefore very harmful as well? One of the reasons people with

chronic conditions get upset with western meds is the fact that they cost so

much money, the reason these medics are not going to advertise/study natural

remedies is not because they believe them to be less able, but the fact that

they can't make any money out of it. Pure and simple that is the reason.

If there was no money in Enbrel do you think they would do the research

into it, or as you say devote their lives to the cause if they weren't

getting their pay checks at the end of the month? The real pioneers of the

medical world are the people who do actually study alternative remedies for

a pittance of what they could make as Western medicine researchers. A prime

example of this situation would be Viagra which is one of the most heavily

advertised drugs in the world, but does anyone on this group know what it

was really intended to do? I'll take a guess and say that probably not a

lot.. But we all know now what else it does and the really amazing thing is

that it's not even for a chronic painful condition. Well done to the

researchers on that one then? More money for the multi-national bio tech

companies and their shareholders.

Because someone is saying there is an alternative to meds does not mean we

have to censor them, it just means there are other options out there. We are

all adult enough to make our own decisions whether you, I or anyone else

agrees with them or not, and most certainly whether one way is better than

the other nobody knows that for sure. Not even Orin lol . To say about the

Granola fringe is very disrespectful I believe when half the world is

getting on by thank you very much without the use of western meds.

PS I am with the western world on this one and take my daily green pill like

a good boy, but some of 's Ideas were very interesting. that is why I

think it's wrong for him to be barred from this site

Micky

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I am having my condition monitored regularly.

Jan

alternatives

I don't usually have much to post on this subject, I have tried diet modification, supplements, relaxation techniques and accupuncture to varying degrees of success and I would never in a million years tell anyone to NOT look at all of your options but I'm very concerned at the number of people who are doing this and seemingly NOT having their condition monitored at the same time.Let's deal with a few facts. Achalasia is a progressive, chronic, degenerative disorder (disease, what have you). It is NOT the result of poor lifestyle choices, eating, weight issues (never had any myself), etc. All of those things may play a part in your symptoms and relief of other health issues and general improvement of your weight, health and posture will probably help to alleviate some of your symptoms but there is NO CURE!!Think about us like you would think about someone with diabetes or epilepsy - lifestyle

changes and health changes will undoubtably improve your symptoms and may even slow the progression of your disease but it will not go away. You would fix a mitral valve prolapse (a valve problem in your heart) with surgery wouldn't you? why would you not fix the 'valve' problem in your esophagus?I don't want people to stop looking at options, please just don't be so wrapped up in the 'all surgery and all western medicine is bad' mentality that you don't truly look and consider ALL of your options.Good surgery with a good surgeon and solid lifestyle changes and you'll probably be about as close to 'normal' as possible.Good luck in all of your searches, please share what you find with us and please, please, please - whatever you do - do not ignore your condition or cease to have routine monitoring done every couple of years.OK - 'nuf of my soapbox for now.It's all meant with

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I LOVED that book.

Changed the way I see life. Since I read it some years ago - I have been reading

in associated subjects, and I find Buhner's book has allowed me to deepen my

understanding in many areas - such as how we in the West do science, the problem

of drug-resistance, herbal medicine, and more.

ellen

>

> >

> > From the numerous youtube horror stories of people getting only temporary

relief using antibiotics, and the ensuant " super-bugs " ever-stronger antibiotics

are known to create, it makes me question the sanity of western medicine that we

aren't more closely studying herbal remediation as a viable alternative, if not

the only alternative for chronic borreliosis - or whatever they're calling it

now.

>

> excellent advise IMHO.

>

> I can also recommend Buhners book " The lost language of plants " for

more background. I'm a biochemist myself, but I find of lot of wisdom in

s writing about the subject, more so than in modern science ...

>

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Vicci,

I spent 4 years under the care of a pain mgmt doc, and he also ran out of

options for me.

Among other thing, we tried facet joint injections (too many to count), epidural

steroid injections/nerve root blocks (a few), and a total of 4 medial branch

rhizotomies (RF ablations).

While all of these can work for some people, none did the trick for me.

Although effective in some cases, my personal opinion is epidurals are a pain in

the a**: They have about a 50/50 chance of working, and tend to make you

*really* sore for a few days (which is particularly annoying if they aren't even

effective). About half of the facet joint injections gave some palpable relief,

and I got minor relief from a few of the rhizotomies.

At the end of the day (okay ... years), he finally told me he couldn't do

anything else for me - and referred me to a Vietnamese acupuncturist. At that

point, I think I would have readily agreed to have my spine ~removed~ if someone

would have suggested it to make ... the ... pain ... stop.

First visit was nothing short of miraculous. Sadly, each subsequent visit

brought less relief. I've kind of heard this echoed from my other friends

who've tried the same route, but I certainly wouldn't discourage you from trying

it for yourself.

Actually, I wouldn't suggest that anyone not try *anything* in the pain

management arsenal if they're hurting. You just never know if you'll be one of

the lucky ones who'll see good results from a treatment until you try it.

I hope you find some relief soon ...

Regards,

Pam

-- In Scoliosis Treatment , " vicciwalford " <vicciwalford@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi all.Recently my partner has been talking to his friends mum,she uses

epidurals for her back problems,she swears by them and she says they give her

around 3 months out of pain...I was wondering if anyone else has used them.Also

Ive been thinking about cortizone injections...does anyone have any experiences

with either?With my added problems (my twisted pelvis,rotated vertabre & a Tarlov

cyst growing) the hospital have told me there is nothing else they can do for

me...I just now have to wait again until it gets worse before they will look at

me again so Im looking into alternative therapy...has anyone tried anything like

accupuncture etc? Im at my wits end now so anything is worth a shot! Ive also

been diagnosed with arthritis in my knees because of the way I have to walk

now,also been told I have depression which doesnt suprise me,what did suprise me

though is how long Ive managed to cope without being to down,just lately,Ive

been crying every day & wanting to be on my own.I had some blood tests last week

to find out what else-if anything-is causing my exhaustion and Im also being

checked for Fibromyalgia.But,still I try to think how many people are a lot

worse off than me and I shouldnt feel sorry for myself!

>

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Hi,

I have had great success with epidurals, facet, and trigger point injections

administered by my Pain Management Doc under xray. The steroid used is Kenolog.

He uses lower dose concentration, but it gives me tremendous relief. I have been

getting these for 4 years. I have the Harrington Rod (placed 1975), T5-T12. I

have developed Spinal stenosis in both the Lumbar and Cervical spine. My pain

started in the lower back and then about 1-2 yrs later I started having pain in

shoulders, arms,upper back so I have been getting cervical epidurals. I and my

doc have found that I get better results from the epidural than from the median

branch block.

My Pain Specialist is an Anesthesiologist. He is in land and I moved up to

NY last year but I continue to go back for him to treat me because he is

Outstanding.

Kate

NY

>

> Hi all.Recently my partner has been talking to his friends mum,she uses

epidurals for her back problems,she swears by them and she says they give her

around 3 months out of pain...I was wondering if anyone else has used them.Also

Ive been thinking about cortizone injections...does anyone have any experiences

with either?With my added problems (my twisted pelvis,rotated vertabre & a Tarlov

cyst growing) the hospital have told me there is nothing else they can do for

me...I just now have to wait again until it gets worse before they will look at

me again so Im looking into alternative therapy...has anyone tried anything like

accupuncture etc? Im at my wits end now so anything is worth a shot! Ive also

been diagnosed with arthritis in my knees because of the way I have to walk

now,also been told I have depression which doesnt suprise me,what did suprise me

though is how long Ive managed to cope without being to down,just lately,Ive

been crying every day & wanting to be on my own.I had some blood tests last week

to find out what else-if anything-is causing my exhaustion and Im also being

checked for Fibromyalgia.But,still I try to think how many people are a lot

worse off than me and I shouldnt feel sorry for myself!

>

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Hi Vicci

You mentioned having blood tests to help find the cause of your

exhaustion, did the blood tests include an Arterial Blood Gas (ABG) test? I

have

dealt with horrid exhaustion (fatigue) and learned it was due to a high

level of carbon dioxide (CO2) in my blood. The cause of the high CO2 is

mainly due to my scoliosis and a malfunction in the brain stem that regulates

the signal to breathe. To control the CO2 I use a bilevel positive airway

pressure breathing machine. I consider the build of CO2 a very sneaky,

silent cause of fatigue and exhaustion.

I also can look around and see others worse off than me, and that does

help me to keep on, keeping on... however........ I have learned that it is

OK for me to feel bad for myself. I'm a good person and deserve to treat

myself with the same respect, compassion and kindness I would have for

others dealing with tough times or situations. When I feel depressed, I

acknowledge and allow it, and give myself permission to cry, be down, sit on

the

pitty-pot or whatever.... but I don't allow myself to stay there!!! How

long? Whatever it takes..... sometimes as little as half an hour... other

times it could be a day or so. The main thing is that I don't 'deny' the

depressed feelings... I allow them, acknowledge them... and they don't

build up inside me causing other problems. To me the feeling of depression

is a signal that something in my emotional life needs attention... in the

same way that feeling a hot forehead usually means you have some body part

needing attention. Barb

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(mailto:vicciwalford@...?Subject= Re:Alternatives) _vicciwalford _

(vicciwalford)

Mon Oct 5, 2009 5:25 am (PDT)

Hi all.Recently my partner has been talking to his friends mum,she uses

epidurals for her back problems,she swears by them and she says they give her

around 3 months out of pain...I was wondering if anyone else has used

them.Also Ive been thinking about cortizone injections..Hi all.Recently my

partner has been talking to his friends mum,she uses epidurals for her back

problem & a Tarlov cyst growing) the hospital have told me there is nothing

else they can do for me...I just now have to wait again until it gets worse

before they will look at me again so Im looking into alternative

therapy...has anyone tried anything like accupuncture etc? Im at my wits end

now so

anything is worth a shot! Ive also been diagnosed with arthritis in my knees

because of the way I have to walk now,also been told I have depression which

doesn't surprise me,what did surprise me though is how long Ive managed to

cope without being to down,just lately,Ive been crying every day & wanting

to be on my own.I had some blood tests last week to find out what else-if

anything-is causing my exhaustion and Im also being checked for

Fibromyalgia.wanting to be on my own.I had some blood tests last week to find

out what

else-if anything-is causing my exha

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My daughter has been seen by Dr Diamond ND, and has been on supplements that he

recommended for over two years.  She fevered four times in those two years.  She

is eight years old now, and was fevering since she was two.  We never gave her

prednizon or any other meds.  Let me know if you want more info.  I am glad to

help if I can.

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Ekaterina,

I would love more info on what supplements your daughter was given.  I am going

to see a homeopathic doctor next week.  Anthing you think will help would be

greatly appreciated!...

Name some of the supplements so I could write them down and run by this woman.

Thanks a lot.

 

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