Scared

[Guest guest]

Diane,

 Don't feel alone hon. I was so scared that a few days before my trial I went

into my PM Dr and told him to cancel my trial. I was scared to death. But he

talked me into it. I do not regret it at all..Sure here lately Ive been having

quit a bit of pain,, but nothing like I did before the stem. I did lots of

research and asked alot of questions.

  The first Dr that I seen for my RSD wanted to do the SCS years ago. When he

wouldn't answer my questions about it, I walked out of his office ,never to

return. It is very scary. Its a big decision  to make. Like you said, You are

getting a foreign  object into your body.

   I pray you and your husband both get lots of relief. It must be very hard to

have you your husband and mother in law all sick.. Wow.. you have your hands

full.. There is no way I could handle all that.. You are very strong...

 Most of the time I do pretty good with walking. I was in a wheelchair for 3 1/2

years. Dr's said I would never walk again. Well I proved all of them wrong. I

was walking before my scs.. not to much,but enough to stay out of the

wheelchair.. Now every now and then I have to get it out, but only for a day or

two.. unless something happens over night, Ill probably be in the chair

tomorrow.. Pain is out of control tonight. I think the weather is working on my

body.

 Please feel free to tell us your concerns.. We all have concerns when we go

though stuff like this.. This is what we are here for..

 I'm sorry this problem isn't making to much sense,, I took a pain pill a little

bit ago,,lol....

 Hope your whole family has a low pain night and good nights rest...

     soft hugs

     T

         group moderator

 lisa

From: Diane <dper2000@...>

Subject: SCARED

Stimulator

Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 6:50 PM

I get on here daily, many times during the day I see the wonderful

results that people are having, but in the back of my mind I get

scared. It seems creepy at times to think of a foreign object in my

body.

I got a Bachelor Degree in community and Human Services while

disabled. I had most of the major courses done in a classroom but

did the rest online. I went to my psych exam and knew I could pass it

with flying colors until my breathing, mostly through my chest, was

brought up as someone very anxious, my mother-inlaw lives with me

with demenita.I feel like I am someome mentally and physically in

jail. I would love to walk even if it were around the block with my

three year old grandson like the old days. I want so much more for

myself then sitting around watching tv. MY big night on the town is

going to physical therapy. My husband is basically bedridden but has

been getting up more. He goes in a few weeks and is going through

with the SCS. I want so much more for myself and pray that I can have

the results that many of you have. I read everything everyone writes

everyday, have any of you been so scared it was hard to make the

descision? I feel paraylyzed by fear and at othertimes I am ready to

go forward. Any suggestions? Anyone been through this? Thank-You to

everyone in the group. I used to be so happy go lucky all the time it

worries me to be in such a funk. I did go to 10 sessions of

counseling. I think the best therapy is to to talk to people who have

been where I am. Thanks to you all.

[Guest guest]

Hi Group, I would like to know what they look for on the Psych exam

? I see a psychitrist for some Mental help. Would that eliminated me

from the SCS or the Pump? Dave

>

> I get on here daily, many times during the day I see the wonderful

> results that people are having, but in the back of my mind I get

> scared. It seems creepy at times to think of a foreign object in my

> body.

>

> I got a Bachelor Degree in community and Human Services while

> disabled. I had most of the major courses done in a classroom but

> did the rest online. I went to my psych exam and knew I could pass it

> with flying colors until my breathing, mostly through my chest, was

> brought up as someone very anxious, my mother-inlaw lives with me

> with demenita.I feel like I am someome mentally and physically in

> jail. I would love to walk even if it were around the block with my

> three year old grandson like the old days. I want so much more for

> myself then sitting around watching tv. MY big night on the town is

> going to physical therapy. My husband is basically bedridden but has

> been getting up more. He goes in a few weeks and is going through

> with the SCS. I want so much more for myself and pray that I can have

> the results that many of you have. I read everything everyone writes

> everyday, have any of you been so scared it was hard to make the

> descision? I feel paraylyzed by fear and at othertimes I am ready to

> go forward. Any suggestions? Anyone been through this? Thank-You to

> everyone in the group. I used to be so happy go lucky all the time it

> worries me to be in such a funk. I did go to 10 sessions of

> counseling. I think the best therapy is to to talk to people who have

> been where I am. Thanks to you all.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

   Don't be scared!  I believe the reason for the Psych exam is to insure that

you don't have unrealistic expectations from the SCS and or Pump.  The SCS and

or Pump do not alleviate all of the pain you may be experiencing.  I have the

SCS from Advanced Bionics.  It sends electrical impulses (that feel like a

massage) to the brain, thereby blocking pain sensations.  If I move in certain

positions I will have some pain, however. 

   As I said, don't be afraid of the Psych exam!  For me (and I hope it will be

for you), it was no big deal!

   Good luck!

 Jef

________________________________

From: cobranine <cobranine@...>

Stimulator

Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:35:27 PM

Subject: Re: SCARED

Hi Group, I would like to know what they look for on the Psych exam

? I see a psychitrist for some Mental help. Would that eliminated me

from the SCS or the Pump? Dave

>

> I get on here daily, many times during the day I see the wonderful

> results that people are having, but in the back of my mind I get

> scared. It seems creepy at times to think of a foreign object in my

> body.

>

> I got a Bachelor Degree in community and Human Services while

> disabled. I had most of the major courses done in a classroom but

> did the rest online. I went to my psych exam and knew I could pass it

> with flying colors until my breathing, mostly through my chest, was

> brought up as someone very anxious, my mother-inlaw lives with me

> with demenita.I feel like I am someome mentally and physically in

> jail. I would love to walk even if it were around the block with my

> three year old grandson like the old days. I want so much more for

> myself then sitting around watching tv. MY big night on the town is

> going to physical therapy. My husband is basically bedridden but has

> been getting up more. He goes in a few weeks and is going through

> with the SCS. I want so much more for myself and pray that I can have

> the results that many of you have. I read everything everyone writes

> everyday, have any of you been so scared it was hard to make the

> descision? I feel paraylyzed by fear and at othertimes I am ready to

> go forward. Any suggestions? Anyone been through this? Thank-You to

> everyone in the group. I used to be so happy go lucky all the time it

> worries me to be in such a funk. I did go to 10 sessions of

> counseling. I think the best therapy is to to talk to people who have

> been where I am. Thanks to you all.

>

[Guest guest]

You said you were already seeing a psychiatrist. I was too when I was getting

my scs. I didn't have to do the psych eval. My doc just sent the paperwork to

my psych and he filled it out with a thumbs up (he knew how much pain I was in,

that's why I was going there, trying to learn to cope). So you might not even

need one. Good luck.

Take Care,

B. in TEXAS

________________________________

From: Shapiro <jmshap@...>

Stimulator

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:12:50 AM

Subject: Re: Re: SCARED

Hi,

Don't be scared! I believe the reason for the Psych exam is to insure that

you don't have unrealistic expectations from the SCS and or Pump. The SCS and

or Pump do not alleviate all of the pain you may be experiencing. I have the

SCS from Advanced Bionics. It sends electrical impulses (that feel like a

massage) to the brain, thereby blocking pain sensations. If I move in certain

positions I will have some pain, however.

As I said, don't be afraid of the Psych exam! For me (and I hope it will be

for you), it was no big deal!

Good luck!

Jef

____________ _________ _________ __

From: cobranine <cobranine (DOT) com>

Stimulator@gro ups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:35:27 PM

Subject: Re: SCARED

Hi Group, I would like to know what they look for on the Psych exam

? I see a psychitrist for some Mental help. Would that eliminated me

from the SCS or the Pump? Dave

>

> I get on here daily, many times during the day I see the wonderful

> results that people are having, but in the back of my mind I get

> scared. It seems creepy at times to think of a foreign object in my

> body.

>

> I got a Bachelor Degree in community and Human Services while

> disabled. I had most of the major courses done in a classroom but

> did the rest online. I went to my psych exam and knew I could pass it

> with flying colors until my breathing, mostly through my chest, was

> brought up as someone very anxious, my mother-inlaw lives with me

> with demenita.I feel like I am someome mentally and physically in

> jail. I would love to walk even if it were around the block with my

> three year old grandson like the old days. I want so much more for

> myself then sitting around watching tv. MY big night on the town is

> going to physical therapy. My husband is basically bedridden but has

> been getting up more. He goes in a few weeks and is going through

> with the SCS. I want so much more for myself and pray that I can have

> the results that many of you have. I read everything everyone writes

> everyday, have any of you been so scared it was hard to make the

> descision? I feel paraylyzed by fear and at othertimes I am ready to

> go forward. Any suggestions? Anyone been through this? Thank-You to

> everyone in the group. I used to be so happy go lucky all the time it

> worries me to be in such a funk. I did go to 10 sessions of

> counseling. I think the best therapy is to to talk to people who have

> been where I am. Thanks to you all.

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

Thank you so much for responding. I have already contacted a friends who has several degrees that involve herbal medicine. I will be going to Houston within the next 2-3 weeks in order for her to do a full check on everything and see how she suggests I proceed in treating all the toxins in my system. I am a big believer in this so it is one of the first things I thought of. I have an appt with my P/s monday and am very nervous. I feel that I may run into the problems that you mention because her receptionist already mentioned that she is still obtaining her implants from Mentor. Thank you for your support. I am going to pull the information from this email on the removal methods to bring with me on my appointment. I have also pulled several other names and will be getting a 2nd and 3rd opinion on this. Thank you for your help and I will keep you updated.

Welch

From: glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...>Subject: Re: Scared Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 1:16 PM

Hi ,Welcome to our group...I want you to know that you are not alone in whatyou are going through. One of the biggest issues women face when theyhave discovered that their implants can be making them ill is thefinancial burden that an unexpected surgery places on their lives. But,it must be done....there is no other way to resolve health issues untilthe offending implants comes out.Here is my advice regarding Mentor: Do not look to them for anyassistance. They will not offer you the kind of assistance you need.You definitely don't want new implants. If you have been suffering frommedical conditions that have been overwhelming your life, Mentor doesnot give two hoots about it and will not feel sorry for you. They onlycare about giving you new implants, and with health concerns, you don'twant them.In fact, I'm not very optimistic that your plastic surgeon's office isgoing to be

able to offer any assistance either, as most doctors don'tacknowledge that implants have anything to do with illness. My plasticsurgeon was no help at all. I really felt like I had been cast adrifton a raft in the ocean, alone with no one to help me, after I got sick.It was only through the assistance of other women I had contacted on theinternet, who had been sick like I was that I found any help at all. They were able to describe to me what medical concerns were related tothe implants, and what I needed to do to get them out properly. Afterthat, I had to seek and search out those women who were getting betterand find out what they had been doing to help themselves. Emailingvarious women, I realized that those who were in the care of medicaldoctors and taking drugs were not getting better, but getting sicker anddying. It was the ones that had gone the natural route that weregetting better! That

was when I decided to start this group, so wecould explore and share those natural healing methods that were workingfor us.So, my advice for those sick from implants is this:1) Seek an explanting doctor who will remove the implantscorrectly... ..a PROPER explant is vital!A PROPER explant is where they take out the implants and the scartissue that surrounds the implants. It is called getting a totalcapsulectomy with drains....and the other name for a similar procedureis getting an "en bloc" removal, where the implants are scar tissue areremoved as ONE unit, with no cutting into the scar tissue to remove theimplant alone. They are removed together.2) Get any testing necessary to determine what organs/systems of thebody are suffering. But do not rely on drugs to cure you. Drugs cannotcure. They are bandaids. Curing goes to the root of the problem, andthat is toxicity.Make

lifestyle changes that encourage healing...2) A diet that removes anything that is junk food, or inflammatory innature, such as sugars, fake sugars, processed foods high in saturatedfats,Eating more organic fruits and vegetablesEating free range meatsDrinking water and teas, cutting out almost all other beverages (nosodas, no juices, no coffee, no alcohol, no energy drinks, and if youdrink dairy, to try to get it raw)A clean diet with foods as close to natural as possible.3) Doing natural detoxing methods that encourages your body to give uptoxins.Infrared sauna therapyEnemasFastingLiver flushingCoffee enemasJuice fasting with freshly extracted juices (no bottled juices)Cleansing bathsGentle exercise to encourage lymph movement, such as walking or jumpingrope or reboundingSunshine (for Vitamin D and blood cleansing, a little each day)4) Providing your

body with the essential nutrients/hormones it needsfor proper metabolismVitaminsMineralsHormonesHerbsI know this sounds overwhelming, but I assure you, it can be done! Going the natural route to healing does not have to cost alot ofmoney..though naturopathic physicians can be expensive. But thebeautiful thing about natural medicine is that you can do alot of thesetherapies at home and they can be cheap..There is so much more, but I don't want to overwhelm you...the focus foryou right now will be on getting explanted by a recommended plasticsurgeon, and finding the funds to pay for that surgery. Many women docreative things to get that surgery paid for....max out credit cards,borrow from friends and family, sell assets, dig into retirementaccounts, breed dogs, take out a second mortgage.... whatever it takes. We will be here to help you, even if it is to vent your frustrations

andsadness, but remain hopeful that you will find your way back to health. We've done it...so can you.God bless,Patty>> I am new to this site but have found a weath of information that hasanswered alot of my questions. Over the last few years like most of youI have suffered from an overwelming amount of seemingly unrelatedmedical issues. I got my Mentor saline implants at the age of 24 afterhaving my first child. I must admit that I was not the most informedperson that has ever walked in that dr's office. At that age it was avanity issue and I did not do my research as I should have. A friend ofmine who I had known for years worked

for this P/S and I took her wordfor it that she was good and signed on the dotted line. I have to admitthat until the last few days it was not a choice that I regretted inanyway. About 3 days ago I started having burning in one breast. I wentto the bathroom several times to check for a rash but none appeared.Then they became very sore and that lasted for a day. I spoke with agood friend who has heard me speak of my different conditions over thelast few years and she asked me how long ago I had gotten my implants. Itold her 11 years and she explained to me that when her sister had beenalive (she passed away last year) she had worked for an attorney who hadhandled alot of implant cases and my issues sound like they could be apossible implant problem. I called my P/S office and spoke to the nurseand she agreed and I have an appointment on Monday. I asked the dr'soffice to provide me with the information

on my implants which she did.I called Mentor today and was told that my operation was done in 3/1997and they will only cover the replacement implants and no other costs.They did not start a warranty program until October 1997. After doingalot of looking on the internet I have discoved that in July 1997 theMentor Plant in Texas which I have confirmed with Mentor Corp ConsumerRelations Dept is the plant in which my implants were manufactured inwas sited by the FDA for several violations. I have also found that atthe same time 2 former employees for Mentor Corp testified that theTexas plant was having issues with defective products, flea infestationsand that reports of these issues had been misrepresented and some evendestroyed. I am a nervous wreck and would like to get some opinions fromother's on this issue.I am quite relieved that my medical conditions finally make some senseand that I am

not the crazy person that I and others where starting tobelieve. I am a 35 year old single mom who can not afford at this pointto shell out the money for surgery. This whole mess has been costly (asI sure most of you know) financially and mentally. I have not been ableto be the mother I would like to be to, it has cost me a relationship,my sanity, it has been painful, has affected my job performance and somany other aspects of my life that I most likely don't have to mentionsince you have been there. I would love to hear an outlook from any ofyou. Thank you - >

[Guest guest]

Hi , I also had saline implants from Mentor about 4 years ago, was so happy when I saw my self in the mirror, I felt great and beautiful, but then my left breast was sagging a bit and started to have really pain in my left breast and numbness on my left arm, and a weird pain in my back I also felt so much pain in my scalp that at times I could not touch not even my hair, until I found this web-site and found out that I was not going crazy as a lot of people told me and my PCP would only diagnose my with spasms in my back and prescribed a bunch of heavy dosage medication, she even gave me for the asthma, incredible but true, today my life is a wreck as my symptoms have gotten worse and worse and now my pains never go away, the only person I due tell my pain is my mom and sister but they all think that is just arthritis. now

I keep my mouth shut because everyone says that am a hypochondriac!!!!!

MARITZA ALBAN

From: wendywelch123 <wendywelch123@...>Subject: Scared Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 1:00 AM

I am new to this site but have found a weath of information that has answered alot of my questions. Over the last few years like most of you I have suffered from an overwelming amount of seemingly unrelated medical issues. I got my Mentor saline implants at the age of 24 after having my first child. I must admit that I was not the most informed person that has ever walked in that dr's office. At that age it was a vanity issue and I did not do my research as I should have. A friend of mine who I had known for years worked for this P/S and I took her word for it that she was good and signed on the dotted line. I have to admit that until the last few days it was not a choice that I regretted in anyway. About 3 days ago I started having burning in one breast. I went to the bathroom several times to check for a rash but none appeared. Then they became very sore and that lasted for a day. I spoke with a good friend who has heard me speak of my different

conditions over the last few years and she asked me how long ago I had gotten my implants. I told her 11 years and she explained to me that when her sister had been alive (she passed away last year) she had worked for an attorney who had handled alot of implant cases and my issues sound like they could be a possible implant problem. I called my P/S office and spoke to the nurse and she agreed and I have an appointment on Monday. I asked the dr's office to provide me with the information on my implants which she did. I called Mentor today and was told that my operation was done in 3/1997 and they will only cover the replacement implants and no other costs. They did not start a warranty program until October 1997. After doing alot of looking on the internet I have discoved that in July 1997 the Mentor Plant in Texas which I have confirmed with Mentor Corp Consumer Relations Dept is the plant in which my implants were manufactured in was sited by the FDA

for several violations. I have also found that at the same time 2 former employees for Mentor Corp testified that the Texas plant was having issues with defective products, flea infestations and that reports of these issues had been misrepresented and some even destroyed. I am a nervous wreck and would like to get some opinions from other's on this issue. I am quite relieved that my medical conditions finally make some sense and that I am not the crazy person that I and others where starting to believe. I am a 35 year old single mom who can not afford at this point to shell out the money for surgery. This whole mess has been costly (as I sure most of you know) financially and mentally. I have not been able to be the mother I would like to be to, it has cost me a relationship, my sanity, it has been painful, has affected my job performance and so many other aspects of my life that I most likely don't have to mention since you have been there. I would

love to hear an outlook from any of you. Thank you -

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean I have enough meds in my cabinet to supply a 3rd world country for a year. Not to sound sarcastic but everyone I have seen has thrown some sort of "easy fix" pill at me that did not help. Zanez, Loratab, Ambien, Prozac, Adderol you name it. If I took all the things they gave to me I would have to list rehab to the list of my problems too. What makes me so angry is that anyone (drs) is willing to give you a pill for something that you might ( 1 or 2 symptoms) have but will not look into something that you have 80% of the symptoms for and have several things that would make it more likely than normal to have it. I hate to hear about your suffering it breaks my heart. I am hoping that I have caught this and will be able to do something to make it better very soon. At least i know that there are other "CRAZY" people just like me. I

will keep you in my prayers. I have found it amazing that doctors are allowed to treat their patients with such disrespect. I have never had medical issues in the past so it has been a new experience for me to deal with. I was told that I need to face the fact that I was getting older and that I might be depressed about that. LOL I never really had an issue with being 35 believe me I know I am not 18 because if I was I would still have someone else paying these bills that I have to worry about since half of the time I feel so bad I have to drag myself to work...LOL it's insane for a docter to tell a woman that. I am hopeful that the dr's I am contact will be able to help me. Thank you for responding it has been so helpful to be on here and have other women tell me I am not crazy and middle aged and making up things that don't exist because I just want to be sick!

Welch

From: wendywelch123 <wendywelch123>Subject: Scared Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 1:00 AM

I am new to this site but have found a weath of information that has answered alot of my questions. Over the last few years like most of you I have suffered from an overwelming amount of seemingly unrelated medical issues. I got my Mentor saline implants at the age of 24 after having my first child. I must admit that I was not the most informed person that has ever walked in that dr's office. At that age it was a vanity issue and I did not do my research as I should have. A friend of mine who I had known for years worked for this P/S and I took her word for it that she was good and signed on the dotted line. I have to admit that until the last few days it was not a choice that I regretted in anyway. About 3 days ago I started having burning in one breast. I went to the bathroom several times to check for a rash but none appeared. Then they became very sore and that lasted for a day. I spoke with a good friend who has heard me speak of my different

conditions over the last few years and she asked me how long ago I had gotten my implants. I told her 11 years and she explained to me that when her sister had been alive (she passed away last year) she had worked for an attorney who had handled alot of implant cases and my issues sound like they could be a possible implant problem. I called my P/S office and spoke to the nurse and she agreed and I have an appointment on Monday. I asked the dr's office to provide me with the information on my implants which she did. I called Mentor today and was told that my operation was done in 3/1997 and they will only cover the replacement implants and no other costs. They did not start a warranty program until October 1997. After doing alot of looking on the internet I have discoved that in July 1997 the Mentor Plant in Texas which I have confirmed with Mentor Corp Consumer Relations Dept is the plant in which my implants were manufactured in was sited by the FDA

for several violations. I have also found that at the same time 2 former employees for Mentor Corp testified that the Texas plant was having issues with defective products, flea infestations and that reports of these issues had been misrepresented and some even destroyed. I am a nervous wreck and would like to get some opinions from other's on this issue. I am quite relieved that my medical conditions finally make some sense and that I am not the crazy person that I and others where starting to believe. I am a 35 year old single mom who can not afford at this point to shell out the money for surgery. This whole mess has been costly (as I sure most of you know) financially and mentally. I have not been able to be the mother I would like to be to, it has cost me a relationship, my sanity, it has been painful, has affected my job performance and so many other aspects of my life that I most likely don't have to mention since you have been there. I would

love to hear an outlook from any of you. Thank you -

[Guest guest]

Wow, that makes me so mad when I hear of doctors telling women this garbage

about getting older and being depressed and making things up because we WANT to

be sick! I just want to march into their office and slap them silly and tell

them to quit being such utter dolts. Maybe shake them until their thick head

rolls off as well.

Women are ill from implants, that's very simply and plainly what is happening

when they share all the same symptoms that are listed on the implant inserts.

It's not rocket science to figure out if a woman was healthy before implants,

and sick after implants that they JUST MIGHT have something to do with it. What

in the world are those inserts for anyway, if they are going to ignore

everything written on them?

Good grief. This just trips my trigger everytime. Sorry for the rant.

We certainly have our eyes opened when we realize that the medical people don't

really know what they are talking about after all. I have learned to rely more

on myself for making health decisions than ever. I follow natural healing

principles that has served my whole family well as they've learned to choose

foods and treatments wisely too.

I feel for everyone who suffers....it breaks my heart to hear each and every

story from women that come to our group, and when I find such women out and

about with no support. They usually have no clue that their implants have

contributed to their miserable state of health.

Maritza, I'm praying for your breakthrough to come. Did you have your capsules

removed at explant? What other healing therapies have you done? Have you

checked your hormone levels?

Patty

>

> From: wendywelch123 <wendywelch123>

> Subject: Scared

>

> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 1:00 AM

>

> I am new to this site but have found a weath of information that has answered

alot of my questions. Over the last few years like most of you I have suffered

from an overwelming amount of seemingly unrelated medical issues. I got my

Mentor saline implants at the age of 24 after having my first child. I must

admit that I was not the most informed person that has ever walked in that dr's

office. At that age it was a vanity issue and I did not do my research as I

should have. A friend of mine who I had known for years worked for this P/S and

I took her word for it that she was good and signed on the dotted line. I have

to admit that until the last few days it was not a choice that I regretted in

anyway. About 3 days ago I started having burning in one breast. I went to the

bathroom several times to check for a rash but none appeared. Then they became

very sore and that lasted for a day. I spoke with a good friend who has heard me

speak of my different

> conditions over the last few years and she asked me how long ago I had gotten

my implants. I told her 11 years and she explained to me that when her sister

had been alive (she passed away last year) she had worked for an attorney who

had handled alot of implant cases and my issues sound like they could be a

possible implant problem. I called my P/S office and spoke to the nurse and she

agreed and I have an appointment on Monday. I asked the dr's office to provide

me with the information on my implants which she did. I called Mentor today and

was told that my operation was done in 3/1997 and they will only cover the

replacement implants and no other costs. They did not start a warranty program

until October 1997. After doing alot of looking on the internet I have discoved

that in July 1997 the Mentor Plant in Texas which I have confirmed with Mentor

Corp Consumer Relations Dept is the plant in which my implants were manufactured

in was sited by the FDA

> for several violations. I have also found that at the same time 2 former

employees for Mentor Corp testified that the Texas plant was having issues with

defective products, flea infestations and that reports of these issues had been

misrepresented and some even destroyed. I am a nervous wreck and would like to

get some opinions from other's on this issue. I am quite relieved that my

medical conditions finally make some sense and that I am not the crazy person

that I and others where starting to believe. I am a 35 year old single mom who

can not afford at this point to shell out the money for surgery. This whole mess

has been costly (as I sure most of you know) financially and mentally. I have

not been able to be the mother I would like to be to, it has cost me a

relationship, my sanity, it has been painful, has affected my job performance

and so many other aspects of my life that I most likely don't have to mention

since you have been there. I would

> love to hear an outlook from any of you. Thank you -

>

[Guest guest]

Tasha -

If those black things are the notorious black specks associated with Morgellons,

they will not know what these things are. They have been studied by scientists

(see Dr. Wymore's YouTube from last year's conference in Austin). The MRF had

dna analysis done in 2007 but the results were " inconclusive " . Dr. Staninger

stated that they are the " starter " that " grows " all the other strange things we

find.

One member applied orange oil to what some refer to as the " fiber mites " (a

cacoon-looking bundle of " fibers " ) and found that the fiber-material dissolved,

revealing these black specks within.

I had the same experience with my HVAC system. The coils were covered with a

whitish material, and when the guy cleaning them sprayed orange oil on it, the

whitish stuff " melted " , leaving behind black specks.

But I don't want to discourage you from trying. Maybe what you are finding is

different!

I used to WISH I was delusional...that would have been much easier to deal with.

Put me in the hospital and give me antipsychotic medications then go back to my

life.

Bessie

>

> I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and she

convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of black spots in

the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those spots to Healthy

Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or I'll just be laughed at.

>

> I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no bits or

clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does my room mate or

cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with crawling and bitting

sensations.

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Hi Tasha,I have Morgellon's and I was and am scared sometimes,too.My friend

turned me on to morgellons-sanctum.org/forum....this web site has really helped

me alot .......the doctors don't seem to do much with our little black

specs...also I don't know why but some people do not get bitten and the crawly

stuff and some of us are attractive to the buggers...I'm on this diet of

chicken,rice,eggs,brocoli,butter,onions and garlic and a few other things(very

few)..no sugar,no fruit ,no wheat,no dairy except butter....They say it starves

the parasite so to tell you the truth after hearing me or them I am kinda into

starving them....it's only day 2 but think I can....anyway if you are scared you

can always write me I have had this crap for 5 months with some preliminary

symptoms of morgellon's....early treatment can really prevent future nasty

problems...my bug count is already down from not feeding the little

creeps...getting even,Rose....evidently they hate salt so people put salt in

shampoo and body wash,soak in it and some take salt tabs...not good I suppose

for high blood pressure...wonder if salt would help people afflicted with bird

mites.....Blessings and We can get better Rose

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bird mites

Subject: scared

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and she

convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of black spots in

the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those spots to Healthy

Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or I'll just be laughed at.

I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no bits or

clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does my room mate or

cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with crawling and bitting

sensations.

Maybe I am delusional?

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Hey Rose,Thank you for the kind words. I still haven't figured out what I have. I have a hard time believing I could have morgellons and I don't have fibers growing out of me. I think it must be mites or something but it doesn't effect my partner or room mate so I'm feeling at a lost of what I'm going through.I never did take the black speck to the heath agency. It didn't look like anything under a magnifying glass so I just figured they wouldn't take me seriously. I might try the salt method you mentioned.Thanks, TashaFrom: Rose Banks <rosebanks@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:47:11 AMSubject: Re: scaredHi Tasha,I have Morgellon's and I was and am scared sometimes,too.My friend turned me on to morgellons-sanctum.org/forum....this web site has really helped me alot .......the doctors don't seem to do much with our little black specs...also I don't know why but some people do not get bitten and the crawly stuff and some of us are attractive to the buggers...I'm on this diet of chicken,rice,eggs,brocoli,butter,onions and garlic and a few other things(very few)..no sugar,no fruit ,no wheat,no dairy except butter....They say it starves the parasite so to tell you the truth

after hearing me or them I am kinda into starving them....it's only day 2 but think I can....anyway if you are scared you can always write me I have had this crap for 5 months with some preliminary symptoms of morgellon's....early treatment can really prevent future nasty problems...my bug count is already down from not feeding the little creeps...getting even,Rose....evidently they hate salt so people put salt in shampoo and body wash,soak in it and some take salt tabs...not good I suppose for high blood pressure...wonder if salt would help people afflicted with bird mites.....Blessings and We can get better Rose--- tashawoods93@... wrote:From: Tasha Woods <tashawoods93@...>bird mites Subject: scaredDate: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or I'll just be laughed at.I"m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with crawling and bitting sensations.Maybe I am delusional?Tasha __________________________________________________________________Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/------------------------------------

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Ms. Glavas, Tasha, & others,

It is my conclusion that the black specks are most likely spores that

engender the almost un-eradicable fungus described in an email I

recently received. This (and other ) fungi first establish a filament

of moist, gelatinous material called Mycelium which is the base for the

spores to germinate and produce and reproduce, AND attract interactive,

synergistic elements such as the Collembola.

This Mycelium can grow and permeate the whole body, invading & occupying

all organs, glands, joints, muscles, and epidermal area. It is moist

and gelatinous, and is the so-to-say amniotic fluid which supports the

life of the fungal material, and hence the synergistic arachnids/insects

attracted to the nourishment in the mycelium.

I think this might be a lot of the 'weight' that people carry around

when they claim they really don't eat enough to be so 'fat'. The moist

& gelatinous mycelium actually takes up MORE space and weighs more than

the true fatty tissue.

Just my own personal observations, thoughts, and conclusions, Laz

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she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of

black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those

spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or

I'll just be laughed at.

> >

> > I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets

no bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor

does my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with

crawling and bitting sensations.

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Hi Rose, Where did you find this diet you are on? I too, cut out all sugar, dairy,wheat, etc and my symptoms have improved dramatically...I am also taking a Candida Cleanse made by the local healthfood store. I feel sooo much better but i wanna add some more stuff to my diet...since I CANNOT lose any more weight. I was looking like a skeleton there for awhile but I am back up to my size 3 jeans and it feels good. I found some recipes on www.naturallythriving.com if u were interested...Anyway, just wanted to ask for the list of foods u eat that seem to help. thank you, chasity> > From: Tasha Woods tashawoods93@...> bird mites > Subject: scared> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)> > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or I'll just be laughed at.> > I"m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with crawling and bitting sensations.> > Maybe I am delusional?> > Tasha> > > > __________________________________________________________________> Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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Laz -

RE: black specks.

The MRF conducted a DNA analysis of them and the findings were " inconclusive " .

Dr. Wymore has also studied them, and consults regularly with mycologists and

does not know what they are.

I don't know who sent you that email, but I would stick with the scientific

evidence and not the speculative pseudo-science that certain people who believe

themselves to be " experts " engage in.

Not that it really matters in this case, because it probably wouldn't alter what

you do to take care of yourself. It is only dangerous when those wild

speculations become translated into specific treatment recommendations.

Bessie

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> > > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and

> she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of

> black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those

> spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or

> I'll just be laughed at.

> > >

> > > I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets

> no bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor

> does my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with

> crawling and bitting sensations.

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> > From: Tasha Woods tashawoods93@

> > bird mites

> > Subject: scared

> > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and

> she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of

> black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those

> spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or

> I'll just be laughed at.

> >

> > I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no

> bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does

> my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with

> crawling and bitting sensations.

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> > Maybe I am delusional?

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found this E-book " SOOOTHING THE ITCH WITHIN AND THE DIET TO CONTROL IT " FOR

SKIN PARASITE SUFFERERS AND LYME SUFFERERS.....he also calls it the King

Diet.....19.95....(this is good)

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bird mites

Subject: Re: scared

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:17:45 -0000

Hi Rose, Where did you find this diet you are on? I too, cut out all

sugar, dairy,wheat, etc and my symptoms have improved dramatically...I

am also taking a Candida Cleanse made by the local healthfood store. I

feel sooo much better but i wanna add some more stuff to my diet...since

I CANNOT lose any more weight. I was looking like a skeleton there for

awhile but I am back up to my size 3 jeans and it feels good. I found

some recipes on www.naturallythriving.com

<http://www.naturallythriving.com> if u were interested...Anyway, just

wanted to ask for the list of foods u eat that seem to help. thank you,

chasity

>

> From: Tasha Woods tashawoods93@...

> bird mites

> Subject: scared

> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

>

> I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and

she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of

black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those

spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or

I'll just be laughed at.

>

> I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no

bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does

my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with

crawling and bitting sensations.

>

> Maybe I am delusional?

>

> Tasha

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> > From: Tasha Woods tashawoods93@

> > bird mites

> > Subject: scared

> > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and

> she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of

> black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those

> spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or

> I'll just be laughed at.

> >

> > I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no

> bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does

> my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with

> crawling and bitting sensations.

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Hi Chas,

I was on the Ebook diet, and it didnt work for me. I did feel great while on

it, but i did lose weight....and promptly gained it back once off the diet, lol.

Ive been thinking about going back on it to lose some more. Its alot of trouble

though because it is very high maintenance and strict. Doesnt really fit into a

family lifestyle, when sometimes you need to eat on the go.

> >

> > From: Tasha Woods tashawoods93@

> > bird mites

> > Subject: scared

> > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and

> she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of

> black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those

> spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or

> I'll just be laughed at.

> >

> > I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no

> bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does

> my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with

> crawling and bitting sensations.

> >

> > Maybe I am delusional?

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> > Tasha

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Laz,

While I am not sure that this is exactly what is happening, it certainly

does open a new train of thought for me.

katie

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> > > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night

and

> she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of

> black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those

> spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint

or

> I'll just be laughed at.

> > >

> > > I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets

> no bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor

> does my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one

with

> crawling and bitting sensations.

> > >

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Tasha, do you think you may have been exposed to bird mites in the home? That's

what I suffer from, and like you, my husband is hardly effected. Funny thing is,

I find the black specs under the sheets where he sleeps, so he is a carrier even

though he's not so bothered by them. I've yet to learn what, exactly, the black

specs are. When we took them into the vet and had them put under the scope, she

said they looked like ground rock, but nothing " organic. " For me, their effect

diminishes when I leave the source of infestation. If you have the means, try

hotel hopping. Try hopping every two or three days for a week or so and see how

you feel. I stayed in two hotels over the course of four days and the things

were all but gone...until I got home. Then I was almost immediately re-infested

via ankle bites and dive bombing from the ceiling. Try to get a hotel with a

pool, sauna, etc. The key is moving between hotels frequently before you infest

any given location. Three days seems to be the cut off point for me.

>

> From: Tasha Woods <tashawoods93@...>

> bird mites

> Subject: scared

> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

>

> I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and she

convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of black spots in

the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those spots to Healthy

Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or I'll just be laughed at.

>

> I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no bits or

clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does my room mate or

cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with crawling and bitting

sensations.

>

> Maybe I am delusional?

>

> Tasha

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Your so right about the black specks looking like ground rock. I tried looking at one under a magnifying glass and it didn't look like anything. Sooooo frustrating. Strange part is I feel things crawling and when I lint roll I get black specks.... so I figure it has to be alive. This is too weird for wordsIts interesting that you think your husband is a carrier. My partner has had enough exposer to me that I'm sure she must be as well though she feels *nothing*.Not sure what hotel hoping will do for me. Its not going to make my house safe again :(What did the vet tell you? I phoned my vet and said I might have bird mites and was told that bird mites only effect

birds!!!TashaFrom: "vscribe@..." <vscribe@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:58:26 AMSubject: Re: scaredTasha, do you think you may have been exposed to bird mites in the home? That's what I suffer from, and like you, my husband is hardly effected. Funny thing is, I find the black specs under the sheets where he sleeps, so he is a carrier even though he's not so bothered by them. I've yet to learn what, exactly, the black specs are. When we took them into the vet and had them put under the scope, she said they looked like ground rock, but

nothing "organic." For me, their effect diminishes when I leave the source of infestation. If you have the means, try hotel hopping. Try hopping every two or three days for a week or so and see how you feel. I stayed in two hotels over the course of four days and the things were all but gone...until I got home. Then I was almost immediately re-infested via ankle bites and dive bombing from the ceiling. Try to get a hotel with a pool, sauna, etc. The key is moving between hotels frequently before you infest any given location. Three days seems to be the cut off point for me.> > From: Tasha Woods <tashawoods93@...>> bird mites > Subject: scared> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)> > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or I'll just be laughed at.> > I"m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with crawling and bitting

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Bessie, I have undergone the delusional route on purpose, Last week I checked my self into UCSF Psych ward, boy to I have a story to share, ....

Bessie, the peroxide , O2 therapy is right on, KJ,,,the rubbing into the skin like 'you mean it'...also right on,,,,,always salt, salt,,,,,dead sea, epsom,,,,,then there is menthol....more later, ..from your current co sufferer Ms M .... 'having resorted to limiting the space of battle to a car residency most of the time...ob boy oh boy, what an adventure...I spare you the details...but I am more then determined to beat this thready spider like...visible to me and no one else mess of a creature, I will not let the delusional bs stick on me, no matter what, I just want to contribute to the records in case the this whole mess blows up and the youknowhat hits the fan...................and THEY all have to eat crow and major apologize to me, LOL.....( I was invited to speak to a group of residents and other Psych Mds, all promised to keep an open mind, RIGHT!!! got my DELUSIONAL label fast, however, advanced to PHP,

means partial hospitalization program, meaning, ongoing diagnostic and therapeutic activity including research, boy do I got some samples, I got one lodged right in the palm of my hand,then there has been the tip of my nose of this strange peeling of sorts for ever... I can see it with magnifying glass, my glasses, I think it is the MOTHERLOAD, b/c when addressed solely w/UV gzillions rise up, that is my hand that handles the warm leathery steering wheel mostly in my opinion......

Darlitia, darling,,,,I am stoked with your success and soon to follow in you footsteps...anti fungal alll the way for sure, gimme your docs number, please,,

got to go, me in a comfy motel on the beach in norcal right right , Half mOON bay, will run along the beach in the am, then a nap here and there in the car next week.......good night all for now.....\

You are all the bestest...LOL...you rock for sure....major confident again and ain't the anti psychotropics drugs...spit them out mostly...and laughed mostly....

Yours truly...M

From: katiejill109 <kajay109@...>Subject: Re: scaredbird mites Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 6:27 PM

Laz,While I am not sure that this is exactly what is happening, it certainlydoes open a new train of thought for me.katie> > >> > > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last nightand> she convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of> black spots in the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those> spots to Healthy Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lintor> I'll just be laughed at.> > >> > > I"m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets> no bits or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor>

does my room mate or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only onewith> crawling and bitting sensations.> > >> > > Maybe I am delusional?> > >> > > Tasha> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!> > >> > > http://www.flickr. com/gift/> > >> >>

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Tasha, we see more black specs when we put DE under the sheets. On really bad

days I see a few on me too, usually chest and arms. I know the hotel idea may

seem an excercise in futility, but escaping the ankle biters for even a few days

was worth it for me, plus it re-affirms this is as much an environmental problem

as anything else - at least for my situation. It was so frustrating to get such

relief at the hotels only to come home and get ravaged again, so now we are in

the horrible situation of having to spray toxins again, as the " natural " sprays

haven't done diddly for us. If I had to do this over again I wouldn't waste my

time or money on stuff that just stuns them. Unfortunately, that includes most

of the " natural " methods we've tried, like the ESP environmental spray. It

didn't do jack. Sure smelled good, though. At least the Onslaught worked on the

carpeted section of the house for a few months. The guy I talked to at

doyourownpestcontrol.com says Onslaught is a perethroid (spelling?) derivative.

The U of N. Carolina did a controlled study and found the following work best on

the bird mite:

" Of all the insecticides mentioned above, carbaryl (Sevin Dust), Permethrin,

Tetrachlorvinphos (Rabon livestock dust), and lambda-cyhalothrin were shown to

have the highest toxicity for

northern fowl mites collected in North Carolina. " On another study they found

garlic juice also reduced populations.

Yes, the husband says he feels nothing but I see him scratching quite

frequently. His asthma is also worse since these things took hold (maybe from

borax and other powders I've tried that didn't work), and his eyes are

frequently reddish. He is remiss to admit it might be mites causing the problem.

But he doesn't have to jump through all the hellish protocol hoops I do just to

survive this torment. He showers once a day, wears no body balm, doesn't

excercise, eats whatever he wants (including daily intake of ice cream and other

confections to satisfy his enormous sweet tooth) and smokes tobacco on top of

it. This is why I think the " things " don't necessarily go after compromised

bodies. Maybe it's more a hormonal thing, as they do seem to prefer women. I've

observed the same with mosquitos.

Our vet was about as useless as yours, though she did admit to the possibility

of human infestation after reading an " official " source documenting a child's

infestation via a pet gerbil. She had personally never heard of a situation like

ours. To her credit she didn't completely discount our experience and even let

us use her scope to look at the crap we collected off the bed.

We got our ID (though I wouldn't necessarily call it positive or conslusive)

from an Orkin PCO after discovering dead birds on our roof who had been ravaged

by mites. Thing is, he made the ID with a hand held little scope, hardly

reliable in my opinion. Still, with birds having nested in the structure itself

we're fairly certain the resulting infestation is no coincidence and is indeed

bird mites. The husband even got swarmed after going up on the roof to remove

them. And if our house were a viable candidate for tenting, we'd get it

fumigated with Vikane gas. These things can be in the walls and insulation,

which is why I suspect normally effective protocol doesn't always work.

> >

> > From: Tasha Woods <tashawoods93@>

> > bird mites

> > Subject: scared

> > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and she

convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of black spots in

the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those spots to Healthy

Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or I'll just be laughed at.

> >

> > I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no bits

or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does my room mate

or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with crawling and bitting

sensations.

> >

> > Maybe I am delusional?

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I know it seems like peroxide wouldnt be strong enough, but i encourage you to

give it a try. It has worked very well for me. It really packs a punch. I get a

spray bottle and hap-hazardly just spray everywhere. I dont have much of an

infestation anymore, but i do understand what you are going through with your

husband not feeling them. I was/am in the same boat.

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> > > From: Tasha Woods <tashawoods93@>

> > > bird mites

> > > Subject: scared

> > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

> > >

> > > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and she

convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of black spots in

the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those spots to Healthy

Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or I'll just be laughed at.

> > >

> > > I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no bits

or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does my room mate

or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with crawling and bitting

sensations.

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> > > Maybe I am delusional?

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Vscribe, Holly is right when she says most things we throw at these guys are

working. It's the frequency that needs to be upped in our approach, it's all a

numbers game. Keep at it and you will get them under control, eventually.

I have tried every chemical, and every combination, and have found chems to be

the least effective. The orange soaps mixed with dawn or murphys oil seem to be

most effective for me. Swiffer your walls and ceilings, it goes quickly. I add

clove, lime, lemon, rosemary and thyme essential oils to the soapy mix.

I recently have had great success with puffing DE on the ceiling and walls, very

lightly. I let it settle then cleaned up most of the floor areas of DE. This

helped my drop down environment hits immensley, very quickly.

There is an orthoboric acid product made for carpet: flea stoppers

http://www.pestproducts.com/flea_stoppers.htm

I think if you are OK with boric acid it might be a good product for your carpet

instead of the onslaught.

> > >

> > > From: Tasha Woods <tashawoods93@>

> > > bird mites

> > > Subject: scared

> > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT)

> > >

> > > I was talking about my bug issue with the girlfriend last night and she

convinced me to take a sample to be studied. I found a number of black spots in

the borax that covers my bed. I'm going to take those spots to Healthy

Environment Toronto. I'm afraid that it will be lint or I'll just be laughed at.

> > >

> > > I " m sure the girlfriend thinks its all in my head because she gets no bits

or clawing sensations when she spends the night with me, nor does my room mate

or cats seem to have any issues. I'm the only one with crawling and bitting

sensations.

> > >

> > > Maybe I am delusional?

> > >

> > > Tasha

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