Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Fortunately our supply of wild folics is not endangered as the run free and wild across the great expanse of the Russian tundra, so there's enough acid available for all who need it. I've never actually seen a " wild " folic but I'm told they are very small and hard to catch. It must be mind boggling to collect that much acid. Stan, Seattle, Rain. [ ] ASK THE EXPERTS - Does folic acid reduce the toxicity of MTX? Does Folic Acid Reduce the Toxicity of Methotrexate? From Medscape Pharmacists Ask the Experts about Pharmacotherapy Posted 02/19/2009 Joanna Pangilinan, PharmD, BCOP Question Should folic acid or folinic acid be given to patients receiving long-term, low-dose methotrexate for rheumatoid arthritis? Response from Joanna Pangilinan, PharmD, BCOP Pharmacist, Comprehensive Cancer Center, University of Michigan Health System, Ann Arbor, Michigan Methotrexate (MTX) inhibits dihydrofolate reductase, resulting in a decreased supply of folates. In high doses, MTX inhibits purine and pyrimidine synthesis, rendering it useful for many malignancies. In low doses (< 20 mg/week), MTX is commonly used as a disease-modifying antirheumatic drug and is indicated for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis (RA).[1] MTX's mechanism of action for this indication is unclear. Efficacy of low-dose MTX may ultimately be the result of anti-inflammatory,[1] immunosuppressant, or immunotoxic effects.[2] Adverse effects of low-dose MTX in patients with RA are related to folate antagonism and/or folate deficiency. Folate supplementation, in the form of folic acid or folinic acid, is often coadministered with MTX to minimize adverse effects (eg, stomatitis, gastrointestinal intolerance, bone marrow toxicity, and abnormal liver function tests).[1] Studies have examined the effectiveness of folate supplementation in decreasing adverse effects associated with low-dose MTX. A Cochrane Review evaluated 7 randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trials that assessed whether folinic acid or folic acid decreased side effects of MTX in patients with RA. Both folinic acid and folic acid were found to decrease gastrointestinal and mucosal side effects. The use of folinic acid, however, may not be cost-effective unless pharmacoeconomics studies find it to be more clinically effective than the less expensive folic acid.[3] A recent study by van Ede and colleagues[4] evaluated the effect of folate supplementation on MTX-induced adverse effects in patients with RA. Folic acid was dosed at 1 mg daily and folinic acid was dosed at 2.5 mg weekly; doses were doubled if the MTX dose reached 15 mg weekly. Folate supplementation decreased the incidence of elevated liver enzymes compared with placebo. However, folate supplementation was not shown to decrease gastrointestinal or mucosal side effects. Hoekstra and colleagues[5] found that patients on folate supplementation remained on therapy longer, resulting in " MTX survival " and more durable control of RA symptoms. While some studies suggest MTX efficacy is not compromised by folate supplementation,[3,4] results of a post hoc analysis[6] advised caution[7] and suggested folic acid supplementation may decrease MTX efficacy. Folic acid supplementation[4] and dietary fortification with folic acid[8] may increase MTX dosage requirements. Total weekly folic acid doses in the range of 5-27.5 mg have demonstrated efficacy in decreasing MTX adverse effects. Weekly vs daily schedules have not been compared.[1] Whittle and [1] recommend the " pragmatic " use of folic acid 5 mg once weekly taken the morning after MTX dosing, with a possible dose increase to 10 mg if adverse reactions continue. Others suggest that prophylactic folate supplementation should be reserved for those who have an increased demand for folate, such as during infection or antibiotic treatment.[9] If folic acid is initiated, evidence suggests that it should continue long-term in order to prevent MTX discontinuation due to adverse effects.[10] A consensus for folic acid or folinic acid dosing or administration does not exist, and the decision to initiate supplementation is physician-dependent. Folate supplementation may reduce low-dose MTX adverse effects and prevent earlier discontinuation of therapy, potentially allowing for a more durable response to MTX. Clinicians should consider that folic acid supplementation may have the additional benefit of cardiovascular protection[11] due to its ability to prevent MTX-induced hyperhomocysteinemia.[2,11] http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/588229 Not an MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Stan, I actually snapped a photo of this elusive creature when I was in Lithuania two years ago, but I have misplaced the memory card which holds the valuable image. I believe it is with Sue's stick. I better check the toilet paper cabinet. Not an MD On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:30 PM, <stanpfister@...> wrote: > > > Fortunately our supply of wild folics is not endangered as the run free and > wild across the great expanse of the Russian tundra, so there's enough acid > available for all who need it. I've never actually seen a " wild " folic but > I'm told they are very small and hard to catch. It must be mind boggling to > collect that much acid. > > Stan, > > Seattle, Rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 ROTFL, ! I don't believe Stan when he says he's not able to work, do you? He could always get a job writing for a comedian or a comedy show. LOL. Sue On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:22 PM, wrote: > Stan, > > I actually snapped a photo of this elusive creature when I was in > Lithuania two years ago, but I have misplaced the memory card which > holds the valuable image. I believe it is with Sue's stick. I better > check the toilet paper cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 That's pretty good , see how one thing leads to another? Lol, soon I'll have you believing methotrexate was derived from the mold in abandoned meth labs across in north America. It's true, Cliff Claybourne told me all about it. Stan, Seattle, Rainy. Re: [ ] ASK THE EXPERTS - Does folic acid reduce the  toxicity of MTX? Stan, I actually snapped a photo of this elusive creature when I was in Lithuania two years ago, but I have misplaced the memory card which holds the valuable image. I believe it is with Sue's stick. I better check the toilet paper cabinet. Not an MD On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:30 PM, < stanpfister@... > wrote: > > > Fortunately our supply of wild folics is not endangered as the run free and > wild across the great expanse of the Russian tundra, so there's enough acid > available for all who need it. I've never actually seen a " wild " folic but > I'm told they are very small and hard to catch. It must be mind boggling to > collect that much acid. > > Stan, > > Seattle, Rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 .....Much in the same way that the elusive Nauga has been hunted into extinction. They were found in swamplands, which accounts for the water repellent qualities that they developed. I am still saddened when I see an old olive green barcalounger at a thrift store....all those precious Naugas who gave their lives, just to be made into a tacky, tacky Naugahyde recliner. Gotta go...getting a little misty here...eyeliner's starting to run...looking like Alice ..... Jane in Dallas > > > > > Fortunately our supply of wild folics is not endangered as the run free and wild across the great expanse of the Russian tundra, so there's enough acid available for all who need it. I've never actually seen a " wild " folic but I'm told they are very small and hard to catch. It must be mind boggling to collect that much acid. > > > > Stan, > > Seattle, Rain. > > > [ ] ASK THE EXPERTS - Does folic acid reduce the toxicity of MTX? > > > > > > > Does Folic Acid Reduce the Toxicity of Methotrexate? > > From Medscape Pharmacists > Ask the Experts about Pharmacotherapy > Posted 02/19/2009 > Joanna Pangilinan, PharmD, BCOP > > Question > Should folic acid or folinic acid be given to patients receiving > long-term, low-dose methotrexate for rheumatoid arthritis? > > Response from Joanna Pangilinan, PharmD, BCOP > Pharmacist, Comprehensive Cancer Center, University of Michigan Health > System, Ann Arbor, Michigan > > Methotrexate (MTX) inhibits dihydrofolate reductase, resulting in a > decreased supply of folates. In high doses, MTX inhibits purine and > pyrimidine synthesis, rendering it useful for many malignancies. In > low doses (< 20 mg/week), MTX is commonly used as a disease- modifying > antirheumatic drug and is indicated for treatment of rheumatoid > arthritis (RA).[1] MTX's mechanism of action for this indication is > unclear. Efficacy of low-dose MTX may ultimately be the result of > anti-inflammatory,[1] immunosuppressant, or immunotoxic effects.[2] > > Adverse effects of low-dose MTX in patients with RA are related to > folate antagonism and/or folate deficiency. Folate supplementation, in > the form of folic acid or folinic acid, is often coadministered with > MTX to minimize adverse effects (eg, stomatitis, gastrointestinal > intolerance, bone marrow toxicity, and abnormal liver function > tests).[1] > > Studies have examined the effectiveness of folate supplementation in > decreasing adverse effects associated with low-dose MTX. A Cochrane > Review evaluated 7 randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trials > that assessed whether folinic acid or folic acid decreased side > effects of MTX in patients with RA. Both folinic acid and folic acid > were found to decrease gastrointestinal and mucosal side effects. The > use of folinic acid, however, may not be cost-effective unless > pharmacoeconomics studies find it to be more clinically effective than > the less expensive folic acid.[3] > > A recent study by van Ede and colleagues[4] evaluated the effect of > folate supplementation on MTX-induced adverse effects in patients with > RA. Folic acid was dosed at 1 mg daily and folinic acid was dosed at > 2.5 mg weekly; doses were doubled if the MTX dose reached 15 mg > weekly. Folate supplementation decreased the incidence of elevated > liver enzymes compared with placebo. However, folate supplementation > was not shown to decrease gastrointestinal or mucosal side effects. > Hoekstra and colleagues[5] found that patients on folate > supplementation remained on therapy longer, resulting in " MTX > survival " and more durable control of RA symptoms. > > While some studies suggest MTX efficacy is not compromised by folate > supplementation,[3,4] results of a post hoc analysis[6] advised > caution[7] and suggested folic acid supplementation may decrease MTX > efficacy. Folic acid supplementation[4] and dietary fortification with > folic acid[8] may increase MTX dosage requirements. > > Total weekly folic acid doses in the range of 5-27.5 mg have > demonstrated efficacy in decreasing MTX adverse effects. Weekly vs > daily schedules have not been compared.[1] Whittle and [1] > recommend the " pragmatic " use of folic acid 5 mg once weekly taken the > morning after MTX dosing, with a possible dose increase to 10 mg if > adverse reactions continue. Others suggest that prophylactic folate > supplementation should be reserved for those who have an increased > demand for folate, such as during infection or antibiotic > treatment.[9] If folic acid is initiated, evidence suggests that it > should continue long-term in order to prevent MTX discontinuation due > to adverse effects.[10] > > A consensus for folic acid or folinic acid dosing or administration > does not exist, and the decision to initiate supplementation is > physician-dependent. Folate supplementation may reduce low-dose MTX > adverse effects and prevent earlier discontinuation of therapy, > potentially allowing for a more durable response to MTX. Clinicians > should consider that folic acid supplementation may have the > additional benefit of cardiovascular protection[11] due to its ability > to prevent MTX-induced hyperhomocysteinemia.[2,11] > > http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/588229 > > > Not an MD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Yes, Sue, I think Stan could be writing for the J man catalog. Not an MD On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM, marysue <marysue@...> wrote: > ROTFL, ! > > I don't believe Stan when he says he's not able to work, do you? He > could always get a job writing for a comedian or a comedy show. LOL. > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 LOL, Jane. Not an MD On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, JANE <janeatregis@...> wrote: > ....Much in the same way that the elusive Nauga has been hunted into > extinction. They were found in swamplands, which accounts for the > water repellent qualities that they developed. > I am still saddened when I see an old olive green barcalounger at a > thrift store....all those precious Naugas who gave their lives, just > to be made into a tacky, tacky Naugahyde recliner. Gotta go...getting > a little misty here...eyeliner's starting to run...looking like Alice > ..... > Jane in Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.