Re: ketones are getting higher and higher

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

Sorry to butt in, but it was so alarming to read your email regarding acidity

on the diet, and how a friend of yours lost a son to this problem. If it's

not too painful, could you give a few details, so we can know the danger

signs to look for?

Thanks!

Chris

[Guest guest]

Leita,

As long as Asha is eating okay there would not be any problems with higher

ketones.

If it is any comfort, 's urinary ketones are ALWAYS instantly 16 on

the test strips. For , 16 on the keto strips corresponds with a blood

BOHB of about 2mm/L, and I aim to keep her blood BOHB above 4.

Jill

At 04:34 AM 6/26/02, you wrote:

>Barb, Your email is quite alarming. What has me worried is can you

>become dangerously acidotic without the usual symptoms? Asha is quiet

>but not sleepy. She has rosier than usual cheeks/face, is eating well

>and her drinking is the same as usual [difficult] but we are keeping

>her fluids up. I don't have ph strips. What do you use them for?

>Leita. -

>

> -- In ketogenic@y..., martinccf@j... wrote:

> > Extremely dark ketones are a sign of extreme acidosis, especially

>with

> > your

> > low ratio. Weve had this reaction to drug weans. a good

>alkalinizer

> > is

> > Club soda mixed with Trace Minerals, or regular baking soda mixed

> > with Trace Minerals. make sure you are getting plenty of fluids.

> >

> > Do you have access to any ph strips???

> >

> > Acidosis can kill...my friend lost her son to acidosis on the

>diet.

> > had system failure and his whole body just shut down...long story

>but

> > the point is this can be dangerous and should not be ignored!!!

> >

> > Barb...s mom

> >

> > On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:39:47 -0000 " onegreatmum " <onegreatmum@y...>

> > writes:

> > Is this a danger? Since I reduced the Lamictal and Diamox the

>ketones

> > were 16 this morning and 16+ tonight [instantly dark result on the

> > keto stick] she was having 8 and 16. Asha is on 2:1 ratio. It is

> > difficult to tell how she feels. She is quiet but she has quiet

>days.

> > Leita.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Leita,

As long as Asha is eating okay there would not be any problems with higher

ketones.

If it is any comfort, 's urinary ketones are ALWAYS instantly 16 on

the test strips. For , 16 on the keto strips corresponds with a blood

BOHB of about 2mm/L, and I aim to keep her blood BOHB above 4.

Jill

At 04:34 AM 6/26/02, you wrote:

>Barb, Your email is quite alarming. What has me worried is can you

>become dangerously acidotic without the usual symptoms? Asha is quiet

>but not sleepy. She has rosier than usual cheeks/face, is eating well

>and her drinking is the same as usual [difficult] but we are keeping

>her fluids up. I don't have ph strips. What do you use them for?

>Leita. -

>

> -- In ketogenic@y..., martinccf@j... wrote:

> > Extremely dark ketones are a sign of extreme acidosis, especially

>with

> > your

> > low ratio. Weve had this reaction to drug weans. a good

>alkalinizer

> > is

> > Club soda mixed with Trace Minerals, or regular baking soda mixed

> > with Trace Minerals. make sure you are getting plenty of fluids.

> >

> > Do you have access to any ph strips???

> >

> > Acidosis can kill...my friend lost her son to acidosis on the

>diet.

> > had system failure and his whole body just shut down...long story

>but

> > the point is this can be dangerous and should not be ignored!!!

> >

> > Barb...s mom

> >

> > On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:39:47 -0000 " onegreatmum " <onegreatmum@y...>

> > writes:

> > Is this a danger? Since I reduced the Lamictal and Diamox the

>ketones

> > were 16 this morning and 16+ tonight [instantly dark result on the

> > keto stick] she was having 8 and 16. Asha is on 2:1 ratio. It is

> > difficult to tell how she feels. She is quiet but she has quiet

>days.

> > Leita.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Leita,

As long as Asha is eating okay there would not be any problems with higher

ketones. Appetite supression is a very telling indication of high levels of

ketosis.

If it is any comfort, 's urinary ketones are ALWAYS instantly 16 on

the test strips. For , 16 on the keto strips corresponds with a blood

BOHB of about 2mm/L, and I aim to keep her blood BOHB above 4.

Jill

At 04:34 AM 6/26/02, you wrote:

Barb, Your email is quite alarming. What has me worried is can you

become dangerously acidotic without the usual symptoms? Asha is quiet

but not sleepy. She has rosier than usual cheeks/face, is eating well

and her drinking is the same as usual [difficult] but we are keeping

her fluids up. I don't have ph strips. What do you use them for?

Leita. -

-- In ketogenic@y..., martinccf@j... wrote:

> Extremely dark ketones are a sign of extreme acidosis, especially

with

> your

> low ratio. Weve had this reaction to drug weans. a good

alkalinizer

> is

> Club soda mixed with Trace Minerals, or regular baking soda mixed

> with Trace Minerals. make sure you are getting plenty of fluids.

>

> Do you have access to any ph strips???

>

> Acidosis can kill...my friend lost her son to acidosis on the

diet.

> had system failure and his whole body just shut down...long story

but

> the point is this can be dangerous and should not be ignored!!!

>

> Barb...s mom

>

> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:39:47 -0000 " onegreatmum " <onegreatmum@y...>

> writes:

> Is this a danger? Since I reduced the Lamictal and Diamox the

ketones

> were 16 this morning and 16+ tonight [instantly dark result on the

> keto stick] she was having 8 and 16. Asha is on 2:1 ratio. It is

> difficult to tell how she feels. She is quiet but she has quiet

days.

> Leita.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think you're near the acidosis stage, but it may be time for a small

ratio drop...... maybe .2 ...... Katera needed a drop ever couple of months for

quite a while. She would get extremely ketotic and irritable..... and then start

refusing to drink and get dehyrated.

Patti

Re: ketones are getting higher and higher

This post also has me worried. Is it possible to have extreme acidosis

without the signs?

Mike's ketones have been staying at 160 more frequently and today they

were even 160 in the morning. Is this something I should be alarmed

about? He doesnt really have any symptoms - no smell on his breath, no

red ears, still eating and drinking normally, but he is extremely hyper

- something that happens to him when he is at 160.

Thanks for any insight.

Jenn