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It would have to be the labs because I was on 8 pumps of Androgel. My total T

came back at 270.

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How long after application were labs drawn?

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Somewhere between 3-5hrs after applying the gel.

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Wow, we're pretty close to each other. I've been going to inf. disease at stony

brook. thats where Neuro is, opthalmology, ortho. everyone off Belle Meade in

Setauket. How about you ?

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Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 6:16 PM

I'm in town. Are you using a local Dr.?

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> > Hi I am a new member. After a couple of very weird months and too many

doctors and ER visits my 12 year old was diagnosed with Lyme in February. He

also shows exposure to 4 coinfections.

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> > He was initially put on Bactrim and was taking that for 3 weeks when we went

to C.T. for a second opinion. The C.T. Dr. put him on zythromax, minicyclin and

mepron. By the 5th day he was in so much pain he was writhing and his shortness

of breath was worsening and he could no longer walk. Our C.T. Dr. told us to go

to the E.R. to be evaluated for ascending neuropathy. He was admitted for 3 days

and they did more tests and decided they didn't know what as wrong but it wasn't

Lyme.  After he returned home our C.T. Dr. told us to resume his meds. We

couldn't. It was too scary and the Dr.s at the hospital were not fans of our

C.T. Dr. besides we weren't able to see our C.T.  Dr. again for months. We

decided to pursue another Dr. this one will see us on a more regular basis and

is starting my son off more slowly. After 10 days we are back up to 2 zythro a

day but my son is still suffering terribly. I am desperate to know when can we

excpect to see him

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with us and our new D.R. so it seems like the right choice for now. There is

just so much uncertainty with this disease and  the controversy surrounding it

has been a battle as I'm sure many of you can relate to. While in the hospital

the Dr.s were so opposed to our choice to treat that I was growing worried. Now

back at home and continuing with treatment in spite of them it is scary, I know

that this is the right decision but walking it out is tough.

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the painful symptoms. It breaks my heart to see his brothers and sister out

riding bikes and playing while he has literally been on the couch for over a

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Dr. ,

I am seeing a regular MD (not a uro, not and endo) and I need to see you or

someone closer to me (I live in the Indy area) who is really competent and more

knowledgeable than my MD.  He's a good guy, but completely unable to do

anything to get to my problems other than prescribe T Enan injections.  He

doesn't test for anything other than Total T and Free T. 

I started with 100mg/week.  I gained 9 pounds in three days; from 138 to 147

(I'm 5'8 " ) which made my breathing somewhat labored.  I get sweaty palms as

well.

I went and saw him and he said to stop or extend it to once every two weeks. 

I have changed the dosage (going down to as low as 25 and the frequency to 2

weeks).  The side effects are minimal at 25, but I hardly see any of the

benefits.

I read that low E2 causes joint pain.  I suffer from chronic back pain (I need

Norco to deal with it) and noticed that the T helped my pain a few times -

sometimes it didn't help at all.  When I read that low E2 causes joint pain, I

decided (two weeks ago) to give myself a 100mg shot.  The low back pain went

away.  However, the side efects were really strong.  I gained about 6 pounds

and the breathing was definitely labored.  After about 4-5 days post shot the

side effects got better and the back pain was almost zero.  At about 12 days

post shot, the side effects kicked in again (breathing, sweaty palms, weight up

a few pounds).  At about 14-15 days post-shot (I was waiting to see if the

weight and breathing would improve before injecting any more), the side effects

went aaway (I lost 5 pounds), but the back pain came back and the  I crashed -

felt like crud, real moody, brian fog, fatigue.

So... if I'm right, it looks like the T (and ergo the elevated E2) help my back

pain (which is a biggie as the pain is about a 7 on the Pain Scale). 

If I come and see you, can you prescribe a treatment that would keep my T at the

proper levels, and help my back pain without the side effects - or can I not

have both (good T and little or no back pain)?

I have no insurance.  Any idea, even a ballpark estimate, on how much the labs

you would order will cost? 

Thanks so much... I really need some help.....

Bill

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Somewhere between 3-5hrs after applying the gel.

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Okay. Then you didn't apply enough Androgel. The problem in your case is you

would look like a glazed donut by the time you got enough on (very poor

absorber).

If you get the chance, check your Free T3 thyroid level.

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Somewhere between 3-5hrs after applying the gel.

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Since you are so close to dr john I highly recommend you check out his website

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Thank you as always for your informative and well detailed response.

By measuring it at the trough you are really not seeing how high how it would

peak and there for could be missing valuable information. I agree 24 hour is

the best, but trying to tell that to Scally-wag and other endocronologist is a

battle among it self LOL. You going to be down in orlando?

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> > Twice daily dosing of TD's is news to me. Are you suggesting morning and

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> > However, I don't think it makes much difference with respect to SHBG, as

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Yes. I will be lecturing in the Pre-Conference track on my " Un-GHRT "

protocol.

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Still you don't know until you try it it might help you sleep just don't put it

on to late in the day.

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> > respect to SHBG, as the

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Yes this is what he is saying but some of us men don't go well on gels and

creams it dose not get through the skin in my case my skin it very thick do to a

low Thyroid. So to get the same results I do my shots every 3 days and HCG the

day before my next shot.

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> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:06 PM

> Dr. or anyone else,

>   When you say variability is a part of youth do you

> mean the Total T levels rising and lowering through out the

> day?  If this is the case then it seems that it can

> only be achieved through gels or creams.  I'm currently

> on weekly shots of 100mgs T ethanate because Androgel or

> testim never raised my levels.  I never really got an

> explanation of why from my urologist.

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> > > Twice daily dosing of TD's is news to me. Are you

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> > > have already mentioned.

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> > > However, I don't think it makes much difference

> with respect to SHBG, as

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I have seen this happen the gel stops getting through the skin but redo the

test.

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> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:50 PM

> It would have to be the labs because

> I was on 8 pumps of Androgel.  My total T came back at

> 270. 

>

>

> >

> > You either did not take enough Androgel/Testim, or the

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I live about 6 hours away by car, not close, but doable.

I have no insurance, so before I pay to see Dr. Crisler I need to get an idea

what the blood tests costs. What good is it to pay Dr. Crisler only to not have

the $$ for the blood tests. Does anyone have any idea what the tests cost -

even a ballpark price?

Bill

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Phil, but wouldn't doing more frequent shots keep your testosterone levels more

balanced and less variable?

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> > > > Twice daily dosing of TD's is news to me. Are you

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> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

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> > > > I do prefer twice daily dosing with TD's, for

> > many reasons I am sure you

> > > > have already mentioned.

> > > >

> > > > However, I don't think it makes much difference

> > with respect to SHBG, as

> > > the

> > > > gel continues to distribute from the skin.

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Yes that is why I do my shots every 3 days it keeps me more leveled holds down

Estradiol levels and keep my blood thinner. I can't use gels they don't get

through my skin very well. So this works get for me I read that Dr. Shippen

dose this to his self but subQ my Dr. will not let me do subQ T shots.

Dr. Shippen did the book " The Testosterone Syndrome "

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> From: mikerizzo2007 <mikerizzo2007@...>

> Subject: Re: New Member

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> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:24 PM

> Phil,  but wouldn't doing more

> frequent shots keep your testosterone levels more balanced

> and less variable? 

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Twice daily dosing of TD's is news to

> me. Are you

> > > suggesting morning and

> > > > > night, splitting the dose equally?

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > Thanks,

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Ok I will try to get it tested but there doesn't seem to be any good TRT Dr's in

the Seattle area. At least that I have been able to find.

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Dr jonathon wright is located right there. He is not covered by insurance, but

he is very knowledgable. I had a patient of his flew all the way to us and he

lived right down the street. He does alot of testing that is not covered by

insurance to look for the root cause and is very knowledgable about TRT. The

only concern that I heard is that he loves to push boat load of supplements.

Many Dr's are better speakers and educators then actually practioners. Dr J is

good at both and I like the fact that he does not drive supplements down your

throat as well which many antiaging drs do. cyergenic is the worst..

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HAN,

Would it be proper for me to switch from my urologist to Dr. athon

? My only complaint is that my current doctor doesn't test E2. I am only

31 but was diagnosed with Testicular cancer last year. After the orcheictomy I

started to have symptoms of low T. My oncologist check my total T which came

back at 270 and a month later at 210. She then tried to treat me with Androgel

which did not raise my numbers. So she referred me to a urologist who claimed

to be the Testosterone Guru for this Hospital downtown which is a good hospital.

So basically my concerns are these.

1. Should I be using HCG? My concern is that I am young and will the effects

lessen overtime or cause any other problems?

2. Should I be checking my E2 and using an AI?

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You use dr's like DR J and DR O for second opinons. We always recommend that you

have a urologist to make sure the prostate is in working order when on TRT. One

Dr should communicate with the other as we like to have lab reports from other

dr's to keep us in the loop with what is going on because of the complexity with

some of the cases which have mulitple issues that need to be evaluated and

treated by different dr's. We have refered people to hemotologist, GI, liver,

psychologist, ect to have specailist rule out issues out of our expertise.

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I seriously doubt there is a " testosterone guru " locally who can hold a

candle to Dr. .

Yes, IMPO, everyone on TRT should also add in HCG.

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Welcome ! See if you can find an advocate to go with you to your

meetings. Even if you are one yourself, you are so right that it is so

different when it's your own kid!! I turn to blubber when it's my kids

vs. when I am at a meeting for someone else's kid. It can be very

hard.

Roxanna

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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Hi all. My name is . I am a single parent of 3 children. My

oldest has mood disorder, ADD and OCD. My youngest (7) has classic

autism.

My middle son (10) was just recently diagnosed with Aspergers. I knew

for a long time (since my youngest was diagnosed at 4) that my son was

most likely aspergers, but I just never went through the diagnostic

process until recently. He has an IEP and is classified as learning

disabled.

He's done ok thus far. He is one grade behind that he should be, and

struggles in school. He was finally invited to his first birthday

party about a month ago, but has NO friends. He never gets invited for

a play date, and never brings home a phone number from school for

someone that wants to hang out with him. He is in a mainstream

classroom with pullouts for help.

He has severe anxiety (now taking Prozac) as well as migraine headaches.

Personally, I am a special education advocate and know ways to help

other kids, but it's harder when it is your own kid. My youngest has

always been in a self-contained classroom and is unaware yet that he is

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I'm glad this group is here, as I really need some support to find ways

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You can contact your local health department and find out where the

birth to 3 program is. Then you can apply to get her into that program

for help with play skills, language or whatever else is going on.

Roxanna

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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hi my name is dez. i have a 2 yr. old daughter who i think may have

aspergers, but everyone says i have 2 wait till shes 3 what should i do

till then?

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Goodmorning ~

I love your poison4vanity name......that is a good one......

Welcome to the group ! I am so sorry that you have

gotten so ill from your implants. Bless your sweet heart.

Your body is not likeing the poisen bags in there.

Getting them removed, and properly, with the enbloc

proceedure, and eating clean live foods and detoxing

will help you to heal.

First, know that you can regain your health ! The thought

of surgery IS scarey, but once you get implants you will

definately have several surgeries over your lifetime.

That is just how it is......The fact that they advertise them

as safe, is criminal.....the fact that they implant them goes

against their hippocratic oath to " First Do No Harm "

as well as it is false advertising and brainwashing to get

people to " think " they need implants to be normal........

or to look their best, or to get that job.......It is totally

criminal........Now that we got that out of the way, please

focus on your healing.....start eating really clean and live

foods. Stay away from processed foods. Anything that

is created or manipulated, the body doesnt recognise as

something it it programmed to take care of naturally, so

it has to work harder to handle it. You need that energy

for your healing, not to handle junk.

Our bodies are awesome creations and can heal themselves

providing it has the right things in it to do so.

Our intestines have like an eco system.....and it needs a

good mix of organisms to all work in unison. They say that

our immune systems are in there.

Making and eating a probiotic of some kind would benefit

you by leaps and bounds. Personally, I make kefir and drink

a glass every day, and more if I am feeling compromised.

I have been doing this for 4 years now. I can tell a difference

when I dont drink it.

There are lots of girls around, and basically you just have to

try things, and see what works for you. You can get much

better, if not totally healed....

Hugs N Prayers

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Hi everyone,

My name is and I'm 39 yrs old. I have been miserable with saline implant since I got them almost 3 years ago. I was online looking for symptoms, surgeons for explantation, and support and came across this group. I health has gone downhill since the implants. I have muscle aching and burning, pain underneath one implant, confusion, memory loss, and a hard time breathing at times. I'm not sure what is associated to the implants and actually there is so much I can't even remember all of my symptoms all the time. I even read that muscle twitching can be associated, and I developed that recently. I am incredibly fatigued. I had a horrible day today, blaming my husband to the point of causing him to have to go the the er with chest pains. I am very scared to go through another surgery. I hate life now. I have a poor 12 yr old that needs me to be healthy so I've been crying all day again. Thanks.

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Hi ,

I am so sorry to hear that you are crying so much...gosh, do I remember days

like those!

You are not alone...and I'm sad to tell you that I believe the implants are the

cause of all these mysterious symptoms. You can read for yourself...our files

section and stories peppered throughout our post archives will confirm that you

are going through what thousands of other women have gone through: health

destruction after receiving implants.

Please keep reading our posts as we try to support the women like you who are

coming here for answers. I've written two other women today and shared exactly

what I want to tell you...that you should seriously consider removing the

implants and working toward a health recovery by natural means. It can be

done...I've done it!!!

Please keep asking questions for help....my suggestion is that you look through

the files section and read all the info in the " explant " folder and then start

looking for a good explanting surgeon. There are only a few in the country that

do it right, and we recommend them over any others, simply because they will not

tell you that you are crazy, or that all this is in your head, or that you will

look deformed after the implants are removed. All those are lies. These

doctors have removed hundreds upon hundreds and thousands of implants CORRECTLY

and made the women look beautiful at the same time, without insulting them.

They know that implants are making women ill and are compassionate about it.

These doctors are:

Dr. Huang, Denver CO

Dr. Lu Feng, Cleveland OH

Dr. Kolb, Atlanta, GA

Dr. Ed Melmed, Dallas TX

If you can afford to travel or just want to make this explant an easy process,

consider going to one of these doctors. IF you can't travel, you will have to

start interviewing the doctors in your area to find out if they will indeed do a

proper explant, using the en bloc or total capsulectomy techniques. It is SOO

important.

Please stay close and keep us posted on your progress, or your decision. I

know this is so hard. It was the darkest time of my life. But I can tell you

that you will survive and you can have a normal life again, possibly, with work

in the right direction.

Sending hugs,

Patty

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> My name is and I'm 39 yrs old. I have been miserable with saline

implant since I got them almost 3 years ago. I was online looking for symptoms,

surgeons for explantation, and support and came across this group. I health has

gone downhill since the implants. I have muscle aching and burning, pain

underneath one implant, confusion, memory loss, and a hard time breathing at

times. I'm not sure what is associated to the implants and actually there is so

much I can't even remember all of my symptoms all the time. I even read that

muscle twitching can be associated, and I developed that recently. I am

incredibly fatigued. I had a horrible day today, blaming my husband to the

point of causing him to have to go the the er with chest pains. I am very

scared to go through another surgery. I hate life now. I have a poor 12 yr old

that needs me to be healthy so I've been crying all day again. Thanks.

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Oh, , I am sorry that I missed you, and I see that our Dede has written to you. I love your email too.

Honey, you sound just like me regarding the breathing issues, because I developed Asthma, and I had never smoked in my life. The burning is a big issue for most all of us; however, my feet no longer burn. My Tongue has burned ever since the implants were removed, and it is painful. Again, the severe fatigue that we all seem to suffer from is debilitating, and rest is the cure for me.

I am so happy that you found this group, because the women are life savers. They have helped me for so many years, and I will be forever grateful for the love and support that they have given me so unselfishly.

, I keep telling my that I want my life back, because the plastic surgeon did not clean me out properly. Most all of the women who have been cleaned out properly do get well.

Honey, the tears that you are shedding are helpful, because it shows that you are fighting back. I cry over such little things, but my husband gets annoyed with me, and I tell him that it is good to cry. I wanted to write a book called "The Tears Of A Woman", because every time a woman called me she was always crying.

Please stay close to us, and we will help you to get through this...sending love and support to you....Lea

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Hi everyone,My name is and I'm 39 yrs old. I have been miserable with saline implant since I got them almost 3 years ago. I was online looking for symptoms, surgeons for explantation, and support and came across this group. I health has gone downhill since the implants. I have muscle aching and burning, pain underneath one implant, confusion, memory loss, and a hard time breathing at times. I'm not sure what is associated to the implants and actually there is so much I can't even remember all of my symptoms all the time. I even read that muscle twitching can be associated, and I developed that recently. I am incredibly fatigued. I had a horrible day today, blaming my husband to the point of causing him to have to go the the er with chest pains. I am very scared to go through another surgery. I hate life now. I have a poor 12 yr old that needs me to be healthy so I've been crying all day again. Thanks.

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