Re: Governmental vs. Alternative Medicine; Time For Change

[Guest guest]

My name is Dr. M. Vos and I am new in this group.

I have been a Naturopathic Physician for 35+ years in Europe and recently

relocated in Kentucky.

I cannot agree more with Allan Darman's article about the fraud that is going on

in the so-called regular medical world here in the US, but also world wide.

Medical students are properly instructed at the Med. Schools to become LEGAL

DRUGS DEALERS, only to line the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies and

their stock holders.

In another new article I'll tell more about my medical discovery about the

Multiple Sclerosis disease, for this is not the right place.

I truly hope that all members have taken notice and will do whatever they can to

make sure that things will change soon in their own interest.

It is still YOUR TAX-money that is wasted on worthless drugs.

To your health, Dr. M. Vos.

[Guest guest]

past MS cured poster. Became REALLY tired of my Patients Like Me (PLM) MS

board. It started out as what seemed like " normal " MS patients, then gradually

became part of the Medical-Industrial-Complex MS cult. Anyone expressing views

not MS-cult were drowned out by the others.

After my FIRST MS diagnosis and treatment with Rebif, I REALLY began go wonder

what in the heck was going on ! The Rebif was making me measurably weaker.

Moved to Copaxone, LDN, intravenous metal chelation, and the German intravenous

MS drug Calcium ethyl amino phosphate (EAP). The only constant was a steady

loss of strength.

After much library studying, I felt a bacteriological infection such as Lyme

disease better matched my list of symptoms. was diagnosed with borreliosis and

co-infections (aka Lyme disease).

Reading the other posts is down right spooky! People write about temperature

regulation problems, large joints like knees popping, rheumatoid arthritis, etc.

C'mon! The good lord gave us brains, USE THEM! The cults standard answer,

which was told to me several times, " oh, it's just MS " . Take this $1600/month

drug to slow down the disease process.

Just switched Lyme Literate Medical Doctors (LLMDs). We'll see how this LLMD

does.

>

>

> My name is Dr. M. Vos and I am new in this group.

> I have been a Naturopathic Physician for 35+ years in Europe and recently

relocated in Kentucky.

>

> I cannot agree more with Allan Darman's article about the fraud that is going

on in the so-called regular medical world here in the US, but also world wide.

> Medical students are properly instructed at the Med. Schools to become LEGAL

DRUGS DEALERS, only to line the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies and

their stock holders.

>

> In another new article I'll tell more about my medical discovery about the

Multiple Sclerosis disease, for this is not the right place.

> I truly hope that all members have taken notice and will do whatever they can

to make sure that things will change soon in their own interest.

> It is still YOUR TAX-money that is wasted on worthless drugs.

>

> To your health, Dr. M. Vos.

>

[Guest guest]

past MS cured poster. Became REALLY tired of my Patients Like Me (PLM) MS

board. It started out as what seemed like " normal " MS patients, then gradually

became part of the Medical-Industrial-Complex MS cult. Anyone expressing views

not MS-cult were drowned out by the others.

After my FIRST MS diagnosis and treatment with Rebif, I REALLY began go wonder

what in the heck was going on ! The Rebif was making me measurably weaker.

Moved to Copaxone, LDN, intravenous metal chelation, and the German intravenous

MS drug Calcium ethyl amino phosphate (EAP). The only constant was a steady

loss of strength.

After much library studying, I felt a bacteriological infection such as Lyme

disease better matched my list of symptoms. was diagnosed with borreliosis and

co-infections (aka Lyme disease).

Reading the other posts is down right spooky! People write about temperature

regulation problems, large joints like knees popping, rheumatoid arthritis, etc.

C'mon! The good lord gave us brains, USE THEM! The cults standard answer,

which was told to me several times, " oh, it's just MS " . Take this $1600/month

drug to slow down the disease process.

Just switched Lyme Literate Medical Doctors (LLMDs). We'll see how this LLMD

does.

>

>

> My name is Dr. M. Vos and I am new in this group.

> I have been a Naturopathic Physician for 35+ years in Europe and recently

relocated in Kentucky.

>

> I cannot agree more with Allan Darman's article about the fraud that is going

on in the so-called regular medical world here in the US, but also world wide.

> Medical students are properly instructed at the Med. Schools to become LEGAL

DRUGS DEALERS, only to line the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies and

their stock holders.

>

> In another new article I'll tell more about my medical discovery about the

Multiple Sclerosis disease, for this is not the right place.

> I truly hope that all members have taken notice and will do whatever they can

to make sure that things will change soon in their own interest.

> It is still YOUR TAX-money that is wasted on worthless drugs.

>

> To your health, Dr. M. Vos.

>

[Guest guest]

It's nice to have another pro at this site. You and Bernard are our

professionals and the rest of us are winging it. Some have been successful.

>

>

> My name is Dr. M. Vos and I am new in this group.

> I have been a Naturopathic Physician for 35+ years in Europe and recently

relocated in Kentucky.

[Guest guest]

Hi Alrightguy,

Just wanted to say I know exactly what you mean about Patients Like Me. What a

depressing place! " Be sure to discuss your diet and supplements with your

neurologist, " etc. Yeah, right! Patients are scared to death of going off their

CRAB drugs, in spite of the many negative side effects they suffer. Several

people have said they KNOW they will never get better. Unfortunately, that may

be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's actually rather interesting to read the profiles of the ones who believe

the CRABs and Tysabri are helping them, because you can usually see a definite

worsening of their condition over time. Aren't they paying attention?!! I don't

get it.

I suspect that a few of the " patients " there are actually plants by the

pharmaceutical companies. And I've noticed that a lot of people have left the

board because of disagreements and hassling with the others there. The owners

sell the data from the patients' profiles, presumably to Big Pharma, so it seems

to me that that data becomes less and less meaningful over time, as PLM becomes

less and less representative of the population of MS patiets overall. But

they're making money, so what do they care?

I've seen your posts there, and you're one of the saner ones. Thumbs up!

I've only made a few posts there over the past 3 years, mainly to give hints to

those that read them that there are ALTERNATIVES out there. I haven't seen a

neurologist in 2 and a half years and have no desire to ever see one again.

Early on, I used Rebif for 7 months and was also made noticeably worse. The

foolish neuro I was seeing was convinced it was " working " and I should just keep

taking it.

I believe patients need to take control of their own health and not passively

wait for MDs and drugs to " cure " them. There are many things that, in

combination, have helped some people----diet, supplements, avoiding allergenic

foods, exercise, heavy metal detox, dealing with various pathogens and gut

dysbiosis, meditation and breating exercises, etc.

I'm currently reading " The Genie in Your Genes " by Dawson Church, about

epigenetics. It's far more encouraging than the standard " MS " books out there.

But he also points out that " healing is a process, not an event. " It takes time.

Alice

>

>

> past MS cured poster. Became REALLY tired of my Patients Like Me (PLM) MS

board. It started out as what seemed like " normal " MS patients, then gradually

became part of the Medical-Industrial-Complex MS cult. Anyone expressing views

not MS-cult were drowned out by the others.

>

> After my FIRST MS diagnosis and treatment with Rebif, I REALLY began go wonder

what in the heck was going on ! The Rebif was making me measurably weaker.

Moved to Copaxone, LDN, intravenous metal chelation, and the German intravenous

MS drug Calcium ethyl amino phosphate (EAP). The only constant was a steady

loss of strength.

>

> After much library studying, I felt a bacteriological infection such as Lyme

disease better matched my list of symptoms. was diagnosed with borreliosis and

co-infections (aka Lyme disease).

>

> Reading the other posts is down right spooky! People write about temperature

regulation problems, large joints like knees popping, rheumatoid arthritis, etc.

C'mon! The good lord gave us brains, USE THEM! The cults standard answer,

which was told to me several times, " oh, it's just MS " . Take this $1600/month

drug to slow down the disease process.

>

> Just switched Lyme Literate Medical Doctors (LLMDs). We'll see how this LLMD

does.

[Guest guest]

YES I AGREE

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To: mscured

Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 12:16:18 PM

Subject: Re: Governmental vs. Alternative Medicine; Time For Change

 

Hi Alrightguy,

Just wanted to say I know exactly what you mean about Patients Like Me. What a

depressing place! " Be sure to discuss your diet and supplements with your

neurologist, " etc. Yeah, right! Patients are scared to death of going off their

CRAB drugs, in spite of the many negative side effects they suffer. Several

people have said they KNOW they will never get better. Unfortunately, that may

be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's actually rather interesting to read the profiles of the ones who believe

the CRABs and Tysabri are helping them, because you can usually see a definite

worsening of their condition over time. Aren't they paying attention?!! I don't

get it.

I suspect that a few of the " patients " there are actually plants by the

pharmaceutical companies. And I've noticed that a lot of people have left the

board because of disagreements and hassling with the others there. The owners

sell the data from the patients' profiles, presumably to Big Pharma, so it seems

to me that that data becomes less and less meaningful over time, as PLM becomes

less and less representative of the population of MS patiets overall. But

they're making money, so what do they care?

I've seen your posts there, and you're one of the saner ones. Thumbs up!

I've only made a few posts there over the past 3 years, mainly to give hints to

those that read them that there are ALTERNATIVES out there. I haven't seen a

neurologist in 2 and a half years and have no desire to ever see one again.

Early on, I used Rebif for 7 months and was also made noticeably worse. The

foolish neuro I was seeing was convinced it was " working " and I should just keep

taking it.

I believe patients need to take control of their own health and not passively

wait for MDs and drugs to " cure " them. There are many things that, in

combination, have helped some people----diet, supplements, avoiding allergenic

foods, exercise, heavy metal detox, dealing with various pathogens and gut

dysbiosis, meditation and breating exercises, etc.

I'm currently reading " The Genie in Your Genes " by Dawson Church, about

epigenetics. It's far more encouraging than the standard " MS " books out there.

But he also points out that " healing is a process, not an event. " It takes time.

Alice

>

>

> past MS cured poster. Became REALLY tired of my Patients Like Me (PLM) MS

>board. It started out as what seemed like " normal " MS patients, then gradually

>became part of the Medical-Industrial-Complex MS cult. Anyone expressing views

>not MS-cult were drowned out by the others.

>

> After my FIRST MS diagnosis and treatment with Rebif, I REALLY began go wonder

>what in the heck was going on ! The Rebif was making me measurably weaker.

Moved

>to Copaxone, LDN, intravenous metal chelation, and the German intravenous MS

>drug Calcium ethyl amino phosphate (EAP). The only constant was a steady loss

of

>strength.

>

> After much library studying, I felt a bacteriological infection such as Lyme

>disease better matched my list of symptoms. was diagnosed with borreliosis and

>co-infections (aka Lyme disease).

>

> Reading the other posts is down right spooky! People write about temperature

>regulation problems, large joints like knees popping, rheumatoid arthritis,

etc.

>C'mon! The good lord gave us brains, USE THEM! The cults standard answer, which

>was told to me several times, " oh, it's just MS " . Take this $1600/month drug to

>slow down the disease process.

>

> Just switched Lyme Literate Medical Doctors (LLMDs). We'll see how this LLMD

>does.