Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry about your wife. I ate several dark chocolate truffles the other day

and my head has hurt for three days. Sometimes I need that physical reminder of

what not to eat or drink. I normally don't eat or drink anything that comes

from a grocery store.

>

> well that's true, but its also like saying why eat or drink " ANYTHING " other

than what comes directly out of the ground or sky and not from a supermarket or

pill company?

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry about your wife. I ate several dark chocolate truffles the other day

and my head has hurt for three days. Sometimes I need that physical reminder of

what not to eat or drink. I normally don't eat or drink anything that comes

from a grocery store.

>

> well that's true, but its also like saying why eat or drink " ANYTHING " other

than what comes directly out of the ground or sky and not from a supermarket or

pill company?

[Guest guest]

Is there any food that isn't bad for someone?

Is there any food that is good for everyone?

[Guest guest]

Is there any food that isn't bad for someone?

Is there any food that is good for everyone?

[Guest guest]

what about tea? Isn't it the same?

 Pamela Castro Carcelen

________________________________

To: mscured

Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 9:37:35 AM

Subject: Re: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

 

I think the harms out weigh the good. I went off caffeine several months ago an

have seen a positive change with my ms. I noticed i sleep better and dont

psuedorelapse as much. Thanks for both opinions. i like seeing the two sides.

[Guest guest]

No, green tea has health benefits. It isn't the same plant and doesn't contain

the same acids.

>

> what about tea? Isn't it the same?

>  Pamela Castro Carcelen

[Guest guest]

No. There are foods that are bad for everyone though. Don't eat GMO's!

>

> Is there any food that isn't bad for someone?

>

> Is there any food that is good for everyone?

>

[Guest guest]

" No, green tea has health benefits. It isn't the same plant and doesn't contain

the same acids. "

    Actually, black, green and white tea all come from the same plant, camellia

sinensis.  The difference is in the processing of the tea.  Below is from

wikipedia:  " Tea is traditionally classified based on the techniques with which

it is produced and processed.[16]

* White tea: Wilted and unoxidized

* Yellow tea: Unwilted and unoxidized, but allowed to yellow

* Green tea: Unwilted and unoxidized

* Oolong: Wilted, bruised, and partially oxidized

* Black tea: Wilted, sometimes crushed, and fully oxidized

* Post-fermented tea: Green tea that has been allowed to ferment/compost "

    There are several different varieties of tea.  Again from wiki: " Two

principal varieties are used: the China plant (C. sinensis sinensis), used for

most Chinese, Formosan and Japanese teas (but not Pu-erh); and the clonal Assam

plant (C. sinensis assamica), used in most Indian and other teas (but not

Darjeeling). "

 

Ann

[Guest guest]

Oh thats for sure!

My wife used to get phenomena 2-3 times a year until i started giving her white

tea. Dandelion Root Tea(organic) she hasn't had lung problems in nearly 2 years

now! I was gobsmacked at how it can clear up lungs so quickly!

russ

> >

> > what about tea? Isn't it the same?

> >  Pamela Castro Carcelen

>

[Guest guest]

The comparison was between tea and coffee, not between the types of tea.

>

> " No, green tea has health benefits. It isn't the same plant and doesn't

contain

> the same acids. "

>     Actually, black, green and white tea all come from the same plant,

camellia

[Guest guest]

First of all, You MS people should know that caffeine in dose 200mg

decreases cerebral blood flow by up to 32%, and some of You consider

angioplasty procedure to dillate veins in the brain, so make a logic

conclusion whether u want 32% more contriction.

Moreover, caffeine in coffee is a smallest problem. Coffee increases

inflammatory processes, which increase pain.

Coffee contains opiate antagonists that increase pain

Coffee contains muscarinic agonistic actions, which increase blood

pressue and constrict blood vessels even more.

Coffee contains cafestol diterpen, that increases cholesterol levels,

which block veins even more prohibitting blood flow

Coffee contains chlorogenic acid which is antagonistic to nuclear

receptors, including vitramin D receptor being at heart of innate immunity

Caffeine is bad enough, but coffee is the worst of all caffeine

containing beverages.

Take a look at watercure2.org also for more interesting input and

experiences.

I

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your addition to the discussion wrotek.

You've made some really good points.

I'm unsure what you meant when you wrote 'You MS people' - does this mean that

you do not have 'MS'?

It's great if you are following the group's messages to help someone else but we

are not a completely different species! lol

Next time, I suggest that it'd be better for you to rephrase your words and just

write something like 'people with MS' - far less offensive.

Thanks

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: wrotek@...

Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:10:16 +0100

Subject: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

First of all, You MS people should know that caffeine in dose 200mg

decreases cerebral blood flow by up to 32%, and some of You consider

[Guest guest]

I am sorry, dont get me wrong...

I mean You Ms people cause I have Lyme Disease, which is sometimes

misdiagnosed as MS.

I research MS as well, cause there are scientists that think MS is just

a strain of Lyme Disease bacteria.

For example this material is like that

W dniu 2010-12-06 14:29, pisze:

>

>

>

> Thanks so much for your addition to the discussion wrotek.

> You've made some really good points.

>

> I'm unsure what you meant when you wrote 'You MS people' - does this

> mean that you do not have 'MS'?

> It's great if you are following the group's messages to help someone

> else but we are not a completely different species! lol

>

> Next time, I suggest that it'd be better for you to rephrase your

> words and just write something like 'people with MS' - far less

> offensive.

> Thanks

>

> 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

> MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

>

> To: mscured <mailto:mscured%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: wrotek@... <mailto:wrotek%40poczta.fm>

> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:10:16 +0100

> Subject: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

>

> First of all, You MS people should know that caffeine in dose 200mg

> decreases cerebral blood flow by up to 32%, and some of You consider

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And I am Foreigner, live in Poland

W dniu 2010-12-06 14:29, pisze:

>

>

>

> Thanks so much for your addition to the discussion wrotek.

> You've made some really good points.

>

> I'm unsure what you meant when you wrote 'You MS people' - does this

> mean that you do not have 'MS'?

> It's great if you are following the group's messages to help someone

> else but we are not a completely different species! lol

>

> Next time, I suggest that it'd be better for you to rephrase your

> words and just write something like 'people with MS' - far less

> offensive.

> Thanks

>

> 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

> MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

>

> To: mscured <mailto:mscured%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: wrotek@... <mailto:wrotek%40poczta.fm>

> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:10:16 +0100

> Subject: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

>

> First of all, You MS people should know that caffeine in dose 200mg

> decreases cerebral blood flow by up to 32%, and some of You consider

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Wrotek - the video is really interesting.

I know a lot of people in the group have been tested for Lyme too as a lot of us

are aware of the connection.

I have not, but I have been tested for CCSVI and have had the procedure to open

the sections where stenosis or faulty valves were found.

I'm not sure about my personal connection with Lyme as I haven't consciously

come into contact with it - I'm from Australia and South Australia (where I was

raised and lived the majority of my life) doesn't have the insects which

commonly cause Lyme in the US and Europe.

'In Australia there is no definitive evidence for the existence of B.

burgdorferi or for any other tick-borne spirochete that may be responsible for a

local syndrome being reported as Lyme disease.[180] Cases of neuroborreliosis

have been documented in Australia but are often ascribed to travel to other

continents. The existence of Lyme disease in Australia is controversial.'

I had symptoms of CCSVI in my early teens which was long before I left Australia

and travelled to other countries - I don't think I have Lyme disease, but I know

for sure that I had stenosed veins and malformed jugulars.

Thankyou for your suggestion about Lyme - I do appreciate and welcome your input

in the group, as I'm sure we all do.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: wrotek@...

Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:04:09 +0100

Subject: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

I am sorry, dont get me wrong...

I mean You Ms people cause I have Lyme Disease, which is sometimes

misdiagnosed as MS.

[Guest guest]

Wow! I knew coffee was damaging and I thought the list of 30 reasons to quit

coffee was bad enough when I found it but this is the clincher! Thanks,

>

> First of all, You MS people should know that caffeine in dose 200mg

> decreases cerebral blood flow by up to 32%, and some of You consider

> angioplasty procedure to dillate veins in the brain, so make a logic

> conclusion whether u want 32% more contsriction.

[Guest guest]

I think that bacteria might have something to do with iron depositions

in some cases, when CCSVI is present.

How big is, or was, your caffeine ingestion ? Caffeine is very potent

cerebral vasoconstrictor.

W dniu 2010-12-06 16:50, pisze:

>

>

> Thanks Wrotek - the video is really interesting.

>

> I know a lot of people in the group have been tested for Lyme too as a

> lot of us are aware of the connection.

> I have not, but I have been tested for CCSVI and have had the

> procedure to open the sections where stenosis or faulty valves were found.

>

> I'm not sure about my personal connection with Lyme as I haven't

> consciously come into contact with it - I'm from Australia and South

> Australia (where I was raised and lived the majority of my life)

> doesn't have the insects which commonly cause Lyme in the US and Europe.

> 'In Australia there is no definitive evidence for the existence of B.

> burgdorferi or for any other tick-borne spirochete that may be

> responsible for a local syndrome being reported as Lyme disease.[180]

> Cases of neuroborreliosis have been documented in Australia but are

> often ascribed to travel to other continents. The existence of Lyme

> disease in Australia is controversial.'

>

> I had symptoms of CCSVI in my early teens which was long before I left

> Australia and travelled to other countries - I don't think I have Lyme

> disease, but I know for sure that I had stenosed veins and malformed

> jugulars.

>

> Thankyou for your suggestion about Lyme - I do appreciate and welcome

> your input in the group, as I'm sure we all do.

>

>

> 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

> MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

>

> To: mscured <mailto:mscured%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: wrotek@... <mailto:wrotek%40poczta.fm>

> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:04:09 +0100

> Subject: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

>

> I am sorry, dont get me wrong...

>

> I mean You Ms people cause I have Lyme Disease, which is sometimes

> misdiagnosed as MS.

>

>

[Guest guest]

When one has a withdrawal from caffeine or hangover from alcohol, there

is a headache present, right ?

This is because blood is rushing back to the head, when drugs wean off.

W dniu 2010-12-06 16:59, pisze:

>

> Wow! I knew coffee was damaging and I thought the list of 30 reasons

> to quit coffee was bad enough when I found it but this is the

> clincher! Thanks,

>

>

> >

> > First of all, You MS people should know that caffeine in dose 200mg

> > decreases cerebral blood flow by up to 32%, and some of You consider

> > angioplasty procedure to dillate veins in the brain, so make a logic

> > conclusion whether u want 32% more contsriction.

>

>

[Guest guest]

What sort of bacteria Wrotek?

You were talking about Lyme which isn't found in Australia.

Bacteria & Iron depositions.......in MY case I am not sure which sorts of

bacteria have to do with CCSVI and malformed veins.

CCSVI is a congenital condition and isn't caused by bacteria.

I didn't drink coffee when I had my first symptoms of stenosis - I was a little

young to be drinking coffee back then.

I'm afraid that Lyme nor bacteria has much to do with CCSVI - it makes sense

that it might make things worse regarding one's vascular situation.

Since starting the BBD, I don't drink coffee and had previously cut it from my

diet for a few years beforehand.

If you'd like to learn more about CCSVI and it's hypothesised formation, I'm

happy to send you some more information - I'm sorry that your theories about

'MS' and CCSVI don't fit MY case.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: wrotek@...

Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:37:35 +0100

Subject: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

I think that bacteria might have something to do with iron depositions

in some cases, when CCSVI is present.

[Guest guest]

Maybe Lyme deposits iron, or maybe Lyme narrows veins that leads to iron

deposition.

I don't know, thinking at loud.

But this study says that borrelia burgdorferi does not need iron to live

http://spirochetesunwound.blogspot.com/2009/04/manganese-transporter-of-iron-fre\

e-lyme.html

I think lyme is everywhere, it is carried by birds.

In Great Britain there is also really big denial about lyme , but there

are so many patients on the internet diagnosed with it nonetheless,

because they actually do the proper tests when doctors say they dont

need them like doctors or MS society of America says people dont need

jogular veins ultrasounds etc....

W dniu 2010-12-06 18:24, pisze:

>

>

> What sort of bacteria Wrotek?

> You were talking about Lyme which isn't found in Australia.

> Bacteria & Iron depositions.......in MY case I am not sure which sorts

> of bacteria have to do with CCSVI and malformed veins.

>

> CCSVI is a congenital condition and isn't caused by bacteria.

> I didn't drink coffee when I had my first symptoms of stenosis - I was

> a little young to be drinking coffee back then.

> I'm afraid that Lyme nor bacteria has much to do with CCSVI - it makes

> sense that it might make things worse regarding one's vascular situation.

>

> Since starting the BBD, I don't drink coffee and had previously cut it

> from my diet for a few years beforehand.

>

> If you'd like to learn more about CCSVI and it's hypothesised

> formation, I'm happy to send you some more information - I'm sorry

> that your theories about 'MS' and CCSVI don't fit MY case.

>

>

> 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

> MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

>

> To: mscured <mailto:mscured%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: wrotek@... <mailto:wrotek%40poczta.fm>

> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:37:35 +0100

> Subject: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

>

> I think that bacteria might have something to do with iron depositions

> in some cases, when CCSVI is present.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again Wrotek

Australia doesn't have Lyme - Australia doesn't have the ticks which deliver the

bite to give people Lyme disease. Australians who have been found to have had

Lyme have been bitten by ticks in other countries.

I don't have Lyme and have never been bitten by a tick.

I lived all my life in Australia and haven't been anywhere that I'd get bitten

by ticks.

I moved to the UK in '08 - I haven't left the house (except for doctor's visits

and when I went to Scotland for the procedure) so I still haven't been in a

situation which would leave me open to tick-bite.

I am happy to help you understand CCSVI (just let me know if you'd like the

information) so you get a better idea of it and can see that Lyme has nothing to

do with it. *shrugs*

I'm just trying to let you know that Lyme isn't why anyone has CCSVI as CCSVI is

a congenital condition - it forms in the foetus 5 months into the pregnancy.

Lyme doesn't stenose veins - that's CCSVI (Chronic CerebroSpinal Venous

Insufficiency).

I think it's better that you seperate the two conditions in your mind - they

have no connection.

I am in contact with a person who is being tested for CCSVI who has already been

dxd with Lyme disease and who has had some success with his medication but

thinks that too much about CCSVI adds up for him.

'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

To: mscured

From: wrotek@...

Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 18:35:17 +0100

Subject: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

Maybe Lyme deposits iron, or maybe Lyme narrows veins that leads to iron

deposition.

I don't know, thinking at loud.

But this study says that borrelia burgdorferi does not need iron to live

http://spirochetesunwound.blogspot.com/2009/04/manganese-transporter-of-iron-fre\

e-lyme.html

I think lyme is everywhere, it is carried by birds.

In Great Britain there is also really big denial about lyme , but there

are so many patients on the internet diagnosed with it nonetheless,

because they actually do the proper tests when doctors say they dont

need them like doctors or MS society of America says people dont need

jogular veins ultrasounds etc....

W dniu 2010-12-06 18:24, pisze:

>

>

> What sort of bacteria Wrotek?

> You were talking about Lyme which isn't found in Australia.

> Bacteria & Iron depositions.......in MY case I am not sure which sorts

> of bacteria have to do with CCSVI and malformed veins.

>

> CCSVI is a congenital condition and isn't caused by bacteria.

> I didn't drink coffee when I had my first symptoms of stenosis - I was

> a little young to be drinking coffee back then.

> I'm afraid that Lyme nor bacteria has much to do with CCSVI - it makes

> sense that it might make things worse regarding one's vascular situation.

>

> Since starting the BBD, I don't drink coffee and had previously cut it

> from my diet for a few years beforehand.

>

> If you'd like to learn more about CCSVI and it's hypothesised

> formation, I'm happy to send you some more information - I'm sorry

> that your theories about 'MS' and CCSVI don't fit MY case.

>

>

> 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.'

> MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.)

>

> To: mscured <mailto:mscured%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: wrotek@... <mailto:wrotek%40poczta.fm>

> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:37:35 +0100

> Subject: Re: 30 Reasons to Quit Coffee

>

> I think that bacteria might have something to do with iron depositions

> in some cases, when CCSVI is present.

>

>

>