Re: Carbohydrates

[Guest guest]

They also feed pathogens and spike the level of glucose in your blood.

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>     Good Carbs are complex carbohydrates that break down slower in your

body, while simple carbohydrates break down fast in your body (they go right

into your blood stream.)

[Guest guest]

They also feed pathogens and spike the level of glucose in your blood.

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>     Good Carbs are complex carbohydrates that break down slower in your

body, while simple carbohydrates break down fast in your body (they go right

into your blood stream.)

[Guest guest]

And cause digestive problems and IBS.

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> >     Good Carbs are complex carbohydrates that break down slower in your

body, while simple carbohydrates break down fast in your body (they go right

into your blood stream.)

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[Guest guest]

good carbs come from vegetables and to a lesser extent, fruit, which

should be eaten in moderation. bad carbs come from grains and all

processed sugars. who agrees with me on this?

> They also feed pathogens and spike the level of glucose in your blood.

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>>     Good Carbs are complex carbohydrates that break down slower in your

>> body, while simple carbohydrates break down fast in your body (they go

>> right into your blood stream.)

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[Guest guest]

I agree, but not all vegetables are good. Carrots and other starchy veggies are

bad. Same goes with fruits. Apples and bananas have a high fructose content,

berries are low in sugar. I'm learning from a book that I'm reading that says

humans don't need carbs. He uses Weston Price's book " Nutrition and Physical

Degeneration " as a reference.

You can find a book that backs any information. The only way to know for sure

is to try it for yourself.

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> good carbs come from vegetables and to a lesser extent, fruit, which

> should be eaten in moderation. bad carbs come from grains and all

> processed sugars. who agrees with me on this?

[Guest guest]

Banana's really feed yeast. Pears, on the other hand do not. Rice is chalk

full of sugar but we had the most trouble with corn products, believe it or

not.... not the gluten. If you're going to eat bread, opt for Rye bread as it

is the lowest on the glycemic index. Always look toward low glycemic foods to

try to starve out the Candida and not to feed the yeast. That's really what

you're trying to do: starve out the bad bacteria, the Candida and all of the

other pathogens. That's the goal.

To live a life completely starchy carb free is difficult. What is happening is

that the body is lacking enzymes to break down the carb sufficiently and thus

mayham ensues. We used to eat enzymes with every meal to aid in digestion. The

one I like the best for carbohydrates is (believe me.... I've done my homework

through the years) is called ZyCarb. It is worthwhile looking at digestive

enzymes and how they can help you. Here is a link to the website:

http://www.houston-enzymes.com/store/ I also like Enzymetica for high quality

effective enzymes. They are at http://www.enzymedica.com/ Enzymetica also

carries some therapeutic products that I love such as Mucostop which helps with

overactive mucos. Virastop and Candadise are GREAT for Candida. Enzymetica can

get pricey though and I am in favor of just going to the alternative doctor and

getting a script for that nasty yeast. It really helps to bring down

auto-immune and gets it under control. We had to do a six month stint on the

prescription Difulcan to really get rid of that nasty yeast permanently. Once we

did that, regular foods became a non-issue and we just had to worry about

chemicals.

Janice

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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 6:37 PM

To: mscured

Subject: Re: Carbohydrates

I agree, but not all vegetables are good. Carrots and other starchy veggies are

bad. Same goes with fruits. Apples and bananas have a high fructose content,

berries are low in sugar. I'm learning from a book that I'm reading that says

humans don't need carbs. He uses Weston Price's book " Nutrition and Physical

Degeneration " as a reference.

You can find a book that backs any information. The only way to know for sure is

to try it for yourself.

>

> good carbs come from vegetables and to a lesser extent, fruit, which

> should be eaten in moderation. bad carbs come from grains and all

> processed sugars. who agrees with me on this?

[Guest guest]

Where did you get the information that pears don't feed Yeast? They are a high

fiber fruit. When you starve out the yeast, with what do you fill the void?

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> Banana's really feed yeast. Pears, on the other hand do not. Rice is chalk

full of sugar but we had the most trouble with corn products, believe it or

not.... not the gluten. If you're going to eat bread, opt for Rye bread as it

is the lowest on the glycemic index. Always look toward low glycemic foods to

try to starve out the Candida and not to feed the yeast. That's really what

you're trying to do: starve out the bad bacteria, the Candida and all of the

other pathogens. That's the goal.

[Guest guest]

You fill the void with good bacteria's. You can use high quality probiotics for

this but personally, I found them really expensive and difficult to get enough

quantities into the system to make a difference. If you can tolerate casien,

the SCD (specific carbohydrate diet) has a wonderful 24 hour yogurt that has

more probiotics in it then you can find in any pill. We could never tolerate

the casien so opted for Coconut Kefir Water and fermented vegetables. These are

just as good. They are extremely healing for the gut. You can find out how to

make coconut kefir water on the Body Ecology Diet website. BED (body ecology

diet) sells packets for fermentation of vegies and for coconut kefir water. I

could never figure out the young coconut thing on their site so just bought

coconut water that they sell at health food stores and bought kefir grains from

The Happy Herbalist site. It worked really, really well. Coconut kefir water

is extremely bitter but it really works well to replenish the gut.

In the autism community, it is well known that pears and pear juices are about

the only " yes " on the do not feed yeast list for fruits. I tried to avoid any

fruits when we were on full 'cruise' on our healing plan.

You're trying, ultimately, to heal the gut which will quiet down the autoimmune.

To do this..... all of the 'nasties' have to get substantially eliminated: the

candida, the bad bacteria, the metals and any other lingering bad pathogens.....

like clostridia or h. pylori. If you were to test, you would find a lot more

metals then just mercury. We had lead, arsenic, tin, and a whole host of others

as well as mercury. Once the door from the gut is opened, every invader

imagineable creeps its way in. The disease you get depends on your own personal

susceptability.....but they ALL involve auto-immune. Quiet down the auto-immune

and you get healing....

After spending years of study and research for my child and finding a 'managed'

recovery, this is the belief I have adopted in my heart. It is the auto-immune

that is the real bad guy. It eats away at the body.

Janice

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Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:55 PM

To: mscured

Subject: Re: Carbohydrates

Where did you get the information that pears don't feed Yeast? They are a high

fiber fruit. When you starve out the yeast, with what do you fill the void?

>

> Banana's really feed yeast. Pears, on the other hand do not. Rice is chalk

full of sugar but we had the most trouble with corn products, believe it or

not.... not the gluten. If you're going to eat bread, opt for Rye bread as it is

the lowest on the glycemic index. Always look toward low glycemic foods to try

to starve out the Candida and not to feed the yeast. That's really what you're

trying to do: starve out the bad bacteria, the Candida and all of the other

pathogens. That's the goal.

[Guest guest]

I make kefir out of goat milk, fermented vegetables with whey, seasalt and

water. Have you ever tried the GAPS diet? Pears were a no for my metabolic

type, according to the test that I took.

>

> You fill the void with good bacteria's. You can use high quality probiotics

for this but personally, I found them really expensive and difficult to get

enough quantities into the system to make a difference.

[Guest guest]

I swear.... u should really look into taking a biomeridian scan. They are cheap

and the information is invaluable. There are different brands of the same

thing.... like an electro dermal scan. This was the only way we could determine

the " exact " foods which affected my boy. The gut will not heal if you are

consuming foods that you are intolerant of. It just won't. I tried

everything.... a billion different diets.... If you do a scan, then you can

determine which exact foods are affecting you.

If you continue to consume foods that the body is sensitive to, the minute it

gets into the blood stream, the body sees a 'foe' and those natural killer T

cells get turned on HIGH. Auto-immune kicks in and the body goes into a vicious

histamine attack mode. In order to heal the gut, that attack mode HAS to get

quieted down. Foods are specific. While there are commonalities between

individuals, thus the benefits of the different diets.....we just couldn't get

true and lasting healing until we determined which exact foods affected " him " .

As we healed, we did a new biomeridian scan about every 4 months or so,

again....while attacking the yeasts, metals and pathogens.... Every 4 months,

we found that we slowly could add foods back in without consequence. Again....

today, we just practice chemical avoidance and are generally ok. We've had a

couple of small flares in the past 3 years and on those occasions we go strict

to just veggies and meat for a few days, add back the essential supplements and

it's gone. Again, we are still chelating small amounts of mercury every second

week using oral DMSA and ALA. Once it is all gone, I'm hopeful that there will

be more healing.

Janice

From:

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:27 AM

To: mscured

Subject: Re: Carbohydrates

I make kefir out of goat milk, fermented vegetables with whey, seasalt and

water. Have you ever tried the GAPS diet? Pears were a no for my metabolic type,

according to the test that I took.

>

> You fill the void with good bacteria's. You can use high quality probiotics

for this but personally, I found them really expensive and difficult to get

enough quantities into the system to make a difference.

[Guest guest]

I went to a homeopath early on and I was tested by biofeedback. I did SCIO for

awhile. Now I'm eating for my metabolic type but a test is due again after

these few months. If I can find anyone near me who does the biomeridian test I

will have that done. I think that as your disease changes so should your diet,

not drastically but gradually and slightly. Right now I'm eating protein and fat

with low-carbs, hardly any fruit, low fiber. I'm working on healing my gut. I

think the fiber (which is from carbs) is a menace. Instead of sweeping out your

intestines, fiber is abrasive and tears holes in the lining and damages the

villi. Hence, free radicals are set free.

>

> I swear.... u should really look into taking a biomeridian scan. They are

cheap and the information is invaluable. There are different brands of the same

thing.... like an electro dermal scan. This was the only way we could determine

the " exact " foods which affected my boy.

[Guest guest]

We found the same thing with starchy carbs. I would read reports about other

who would do gluten free and then load up on the corn and the rice (did that for

a while). Well, rice feeds the yeast and soon enough, you're intolerant of the

corn! We had to get rid of them all for a long, long while. Surprisingly

enough, never had a problem with potatoes but I think that is because my eldest

daughter hates potatoes, so I never cooked with them thus, he never developed an

intolerance! So....anything that will cross that barrier...like the starchy

carbs and the chemicals.... that you eat a lot.... you become intolerant to!

Casein in cheese (and yes....even goats milk!) is extremely congesting to the

ears and tough on the digestion too. Have you ever tried almond milk? It's

tasty. I know that there is a yogurt recipe using almond milk floating about

somewhere on the web.... Everytime I have tried to make almond milk yogurt, it

has not turned out but some one out there cracked the code because I remember

reading about.

Another hidden offender for us that we simply couldn't overcome was soy. Soy

was near impossible to eliminate because it is in EVERYTHING! We did

acupuncture for that one but still.... I don't know that we quite got rid of it.

We also used low dose oral antigens for a while to work it. The foods are key.

The body's reaction to the foods is what sets off symptoms. But....you can

overcome the food issues if you get the gut healed. It takes a long time and

you must be sure to replenish with the good bacterias and get rid of the metals

too. If you don't get rid of all the metals, you will be chained to a very

strict diet forever.

You are never reactive to one food (though it may appear that way.) Generally,

there are 14 to 20 items that are compromising the system.... I couldn't

believe how many foods were affecting my boy! Astonishing! But really, starchy

carbs, sugars and chemicals....that covers a lot of territory!

Janice

From:

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:00 PM

To: mscured

Subject: Re: Carbohydrates

I went to a homeopath early on and I was tested by biofeedback. I did SCIO for

awhile. Now I'm eating for my metabolic type but a test is due again after these

few months. If I can find anyone near me who does the biomeridian test I will

have that done. I think that as your disease changes so should your diet, not

drastically but gradually and slightly. Right now I'm eating protein and fat

with low-carbs, hardly any fruit, low fiber. I'm working on healing my gut. I

think the fiber (which is from carbs) is a menace. Instead of sweeping out your

intestines, fiber is abrasive and tears holes in the lining and damages the

villi. Hence, free radicals are set free.

>

> I swear.... u should really look into taking a biomeridian scan. They are

cheap and the information is invaluable. There are different brands of the same

thing.... like an electro dermal scan. This was the only way we could determine

the " exact " foods which affected my boy.

[Guest guest]

I've only eaten whole " real " food for many years so I don't get soy or corn in

my food. When I was a raw vegan I made a lot of almond milk. But now almonds

are pasturized and I don't make almond milk unless I find them raw. Goat milk

is more easily digested than cow milk. I drank low-fat milk for a long time

before I was dignosed with MS. Big mistake! I thought that it did a body good

but pasteurized milk and even organic milk and some raw grass-fed cow milk are

dangerous. Pasteurized milk is dead with synthetic vitamins added and so is

organic milk. Most milk, even some raw cows milk comes from cows with A1

protein. It is deformed protein. Some raw milk is A2 and that is preferred but

goat milk has no deformed genes.

I have not eaten corn in a long time because most of it is genetically modified.

Soy is bad news for the thyroid and adrenals. I never ate tofu when I was raw

but I did eat fermented soy sauce, tempeh and miso a few times. I wouldn't eat

those now.

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> We found the same thing with starchy carbs. I would read reports about other

who would do gluten free and then load up on the corn and the rice (did that for

a while).

[Guest guest]

Are you chelating as well?

From:

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 6:11 PM

To: mscured

Subject: Re: Carbohydrates

I've only eaten whole " real " food for many years so I don't get soy or corn in

my food. When I was a raw vegan I made a lot of almond milk. But now almonds are

pasturized and I don't make almond milk unless I find them raw. Goat milk is

more easily digested than cow milk. I drank low-fat milk for a long time before

I was dignosed with MS. Big mistake! I thought that it did a body good but

pasteurized milk and even organic milk and some raw grass-fed cow milk are

dangerous. Pasteurized milk is dead with synthetic vitamins added and so is

organic milk. Most milk, even some raw cows milk comes from cows with A1

protein. It is deformed protein. Some raw milk is A2 and that is preferred but

goat milk has no deformed genes.

I have not eaten corn in a long time because most of it is genetically modified.

Soy is bad news for the thyroid and adrenals. I never ate tofu when I was raw

but I did eat fermented soy sauce, tempeh and miso a few times. I wouldn't eat

those now.

>

> We found the same thing with starchy carbs. I would read reports about other

who would do gluten free and then load up on the corn and the rice (did that for

a while).

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have been for years. I removed my amalgams, did EDTA IV and later EDTA

suppositories. I've done salt/C, NDF, Metal Magic, NCD, Chlorella and cilantro,

Dr. Dietrich Klinghart's protocol, SCIO...

I used to be the moderator of this group and I wrote most of the opening page

based on studies and experiences of past members and the products that we have

tried.

Chelation and detox have always been high on my list of necessary steps towards

recovery.

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> Are you chelating as well?

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