Re: Principle 1 - Reject the Diet Mentality

[Guest guest]

Grrr, I hate it that we have accepted that we WILL 'fail', especially

when that is a message others push onto us. When we internalize it,

that's far worse It seems that you have had a small but significant

breakthrough and I am wishing you all the best as you go forth along a

new and better path - your own IE journey Time to re-claim

yourself, turn that lovely person loose and delight in watching her

blossom and shine!

ehugs, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> I read Rethinking Thin and actually burst into tears after reading

feeling

> it was so hopeless to even try.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been working with IE for several months now, and I wanted to reply to the

" panini " post.

I don't think there is anything wrong with this! When I first started IE, after

heavy restriction in OA, I thought I had to but everything full-fat. Of course

I obsessed and overate a lot. And, of course, I put some weight back on, which,

as we all know, causes ungodly and unjustified terror.

Now, though, I've grown into a phase where I eat lots of healthier, lighter

foods because I CHOOSE to. Not because I'm bad and fat and need to diet--but

because they give me energy for the day, they make me feel better, and I

actually like a lot of healthy things. I'm also realizing that the extra weight

doesn't feel good, so I'm choosing to be even more observant and aware, so I can

let it go. Don't get me wrong, I'm still eating desserts everyday to satisfy

the sweet tooth. But it's all about feeling good, rather than feeling bad and

beating myself up. This is the huge IE difference for me. I had OA'd my way

down to a size 6, but I was beating myself up every day, still locked in my

perfectionism, still crazy over food. That has decreased dramatically for me,

and I know it can for everyone here.

I have found an incredibly helpful supplement to be 's podcasts,

called Inside Out Weight Loss at Personal Life Media. They're on itunes, if you

search. Really helpful in creating the deeper belief changes that can support

IE.

Good luck!

-kt

[Guest guest]

thank you , I'm listening to s, I love it!

Subject: Re: Principle 1 - "Reject the Diet Mentality"To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 9:40 AM

I've been working with IE for several months now, and I wanted to reply to the "panini" post. :)I don't think there is anything wrong with this! When I first started IE, after heavy restriction in OA, I thought I had to but everything full-fat. Of course I obsessed and overate a lot. And, of course, I put some weight back on, which, as we all know, causes ungodly and unjustified terror. Now, though, I've grown into a phase where I eat lots of healthier, lighter foods because I CHOOSE to. Not because I'm bad and fat and need to diet--but because they give me energy for the day, they make me feel better, and I actually like a lot of healthy things. I'm also realizing that the extra weight doesn't feel good, so I'm choosing to be even more observant and aware, so I can let it go. Don't get me wrong, I'm still eating desserts everyday to satisfy the sweet tooth. But it's all about feeling good, rather than feeling bad and beating myself up.

This is the huge IE difference for me. I had OA'd my way down to a size 6, but I was beating myself up every day, still locked in my perfectionism, still crazy over food. That has decreased dramatically for me, and I know it can for everyone here. I have found an incredibly helpful supplement to be 's podcasts, called Inside Out Weight Loss at Personal Life Media. They're on itunes, if you search. Really helpful in creating the deeper belief changes that can support IE. Good luck!-kt

[Guest guest]

Oh No! I'm sorry that you were depressed by the book. It actually

lifted my spirits because it confirmed that I was not a failure at my

diet. In fact, it was the diet that failed me. I am even more sure

that IE is the way to go - even if I have to somewhat let go of the

desire to lose weight in order to focus on the desire to be healthy.

And I have to admit - I really like the Lean Cuisine panini's. I

just wondered if I'd like the regular ones better.

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Great Idea! I'm looking forward to the discussions.

> >

> > For me, rejecting the diet mentality was not so difficult - at the

> > base level. I came here less than a week after my last WW meeting

> > where I had the oh so pleasant experience of doing

everything " right "

> > and gaining. I was fed up and happy to have the diet yoke off my

> > back.

> >

> > What I'm finding difficult is rejecting the diet food. Old habits

> > die hard! I still find my cart loaded up with low fat foods

because

> > that's simply how I've eaten for the last 10 years. For instance,

> > last week I bought two Lean Cuisine paninis. I thought about

putting

> > them back and trying the non diet panini. I actually stood in the

> > frozen food aisle, boxes in hand, debating with myself. I

decided to

> > go with the Lean Cuisines because they are familiar. I also

ended up

> > with sugar free pudding cups because that's what I'm used to. I

> > broke the mold by buying the custard style yogurt - primarily

because

> > they were out of the light and fit. I found myself a little

panicky

> > with the idea of rethinking everything I put in my cart. I

decided

> > to take it one item at a time. This week I'm going to buy bread

that

> > isn't " low points " . I am going to buy a dense, chewy whole grain

> > bread. I'm so looking forward to it!

> >

> > One thing that I was thrilled to bring back into my life is

baking.

> > I love to bake. I never baked while dieting simply because I

have no

> > self control around a pan of brownies. In the last three weeks,

I've

> > made a batch of cookies, a pan of brownies from scratch, TWO peach

> > and blueberry cobblers, and a pan of rice krispie treats. My

family

> > has enjoyed every one of them and I really have no desire to bake

> > right now. Maybe I exercised that demon!

> >

> > To supplement my IE journey, I read the book Rethinking Thin. I

know

> > Arnie started another thread about the statistics around

dieting. If

> > you are interested in this type of research, I highly recommend

the

> > book. It's an easy and informative read. I'll post more on my

> > thoughts about it there.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I read the book thinking that at the end it was going to tell me the one true way to loose weight. That same week, prior to reading those statistics, I also found one that said that only 25% of doctoral candidates complete their dissertations. So the two things that consume my life both seemed unobtainable.

I actually love Lean Cuisine squash ravioli. I don’t even know if there is a non-low fat one of those.

Oh No! I'm sorry that you were depressed by the book. It actually

lifted my spirits because it confirmed that I was not a failure at my

diet. In fact, it was the diet that failed me. I am even more sure

that IE is the way to go - even if I have to somewhat let go of the

desire to lose weight in order to focus on the desire to be healthy.

And I have to admit - I really like the Lean Cuisine panini's. I

just wondered if I'd like the regular ones better.

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Great Idea! I'm looking forward to the discussions.

> >

> > For me, rejecting the diet mentality was not so difficult - at the

> > base level. I came here less than a week after my last WW meeting

> > where I had the oh so pleasant experience of doing

everything " right "

> > and gaining. I was fed up and happy to have the diet yoke off my

> > back.

> >

> > What I'm finding difficult is rejecting the diet food. Old habits

> > die hard! I still find my cart loaded up with low fat foods

because

> > that's simply how I've eaten for the last 10 years. For instance,

> > last week I bought two Lean Cuisine paninis. I thought about

putting

> > them back and trying the non diet panini. I actually stood in the

> > frozen food aisle, boxes in hand, debating with myself. I

decided to

> > go with the Lean Cuisines because they are familiar. I also

ended up

> > with sugar free pudding cups because that's what I'm used to. I

> > broke the mold by buying the custard style yogurt - primarily

because

> > they were out of the light and fit. I found myself a little

panicky

> > with the idea of rethinking everything I put in my cart. I

decided

> > to take it one item at a time. This week I'm going to buy bread

that

> > isn't " low points " . I am going to buy a dense, chewy whole grain

> > bread. I'm so looking forward to it!

> >

> > One thing that I was thrilled to bring back into my life is

baking.

> > I love to bake. I never baked while dieting simply because I

have no

> > self control around a pan of brownies. In the last three weeks,

I've

> > made a batch of cookies, a pan of brownies from scratch, TWO peach

> > and blueberry cobblers, and a pan of rice krispie treats. My

family

> > has enjoyed every one of them and I really have no desire to bake

> > right now. Maybe I exercised that demon!

> >

> > To supplement my IE journey, I read the book Rethinking Thin. I

know

> > Arnie started another thread about the statistics around

dieting. If

> > you are interested in this type of research, I highly recommend

the

> > book. It's an easy and informative read. I'll post more on my

> > thoughts about it there.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I went through a period of time where I over did it on the " real "

stuff. Things like whole milk, whipping cream and made my own

whipped cream (now I can never go back to cool whip - Yucko!), real

sour cream, whole milk yogurt, nothing low fat or fat free. Now I

have settled down and figured out what I like and what I don't. I

happen to buy the Lean Cuisines and WW dinners. They are quick and

easy and taste pretty good. But I do have to supplement with

something else - a salad or other vegie, fruit or a little desert or

sometimes even cheese and crackers. They truly are not enough to

hold me for very long. With IE, if you like these quick and easy

meals, by all means, there is nothing that says you can't. Find

what works for you.

Alana

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Great Idea! I'm looking forward to the discussions.

> >

> > For me, rejecting the diet mentality was not so difficult - at

the

> > base level. I came here less than a week after my last WW

meeting

> > where I had the oh so pleasant experience of doing

everything " right "

> > and gaining. I was fed up and happy to have the diet yoke off my

> > back.

> >

> > What I'm finding difficult is rejecting the diet food. Old

habits

> > die hard! I still find my cart loaded up with low fat foods

because

> > that's simply how I've eaten for the last 10 years. For

instance,

> > last week I bought two Lean Cuisine paninis. I thought about

putting

> > them back and trying the non diet panini. I actually stood in

the

> > frozen food aisle, boxes in hand, debating with myself. I

decided to

> > go with the Lean Cuisines because they are familiar. I also

ended up

> > with sugar free pudding cups because that's what I'm used to. I

> > broke the mold by buying the custard style yogurt - primarily

because

> > they were out of the light and fit. I found myself a little

panicky

> > with the idea of rethinking everything I put in my cart. I

decided

> > to take it one item at a time. This week I'm going to buy bread

that

> > isn't " low points " . I am going to buy a dense, chewy whole grain

> > bread. I'm so looking forward to it!

> >

> > One thing that I was thrilled to bring back into my life is

baking.

> > I love to bake. I never baked while dieting simply because I

have no

> > self control around a pan of brownies. In the last three weeks,

I've

> > made a batch of cookies, a pan of brownies from scratch, TWO

peach

> > and blueberry cobblers, and a pan of rice krispie treats. My

family

> > has enjoyed every one of them and I really have no desire to bake

> > right now. Maybe I exercised that demon!

> >

> > To supplement my IE journey, I read the book Rethinking Thin. I

know

> > Arnie started another thread about the statistics around

dieting. If

> > you are interested in this type of research, I highly recommend

the

> > book. It's an easy and informative read. I'll post more on my

> > thoughts about it there.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> I read Rethinking Thin and actually burst into tears after reading feeling

> it was so hopeless to even try.

Maybe that is why I have that book on my shelf but haven't read it so

far. " Why even try if I'm doomed to be fat anyway? "

There is so much talk about how there isn't any chance to get and stay

thin if you've been fat, how you haven't any chance to be thin as an

adult unless you ARE already thin. It feels like past mistakes will

haunt me for the rest of my life. That I'm doomed to be always FAT with

all its ugly problems that come along.

Regards

s.

[Guest guest]

Well when I read it, I didn’t know that would be the outcome. I thought it was going to be THE answer.

<denisepassmore@... <mailto:denisepassmore%40tampabay.rr.com> > wrote:

> I read Rethinking Thin and actually burst into tears after reading feeling

> it was so hopeless to even try.

Maybe that is why I have that book on my shelf but haven't read it so

far. " Why even try if I'm doomed to be fat anyway? "

There is so much talk about how there isn't any chance to get and stay

thin if you've been fat, how you haven't any chance to be thin as an

adult unless you ARE already thin. It feels like past mistakes will

haunt me for the rest of my life. That I'm doomed to be always FAT with

all its ugly problems that come along.

Regards

s.

[Guest guest]

Isn't it crazy how one book can impact people so differently? I

found it to be really cathartic. After all the self blame that came

with failed diet after failed diet, I liked being able to read

something that made me feel like it wasn't " all my fault " after all.

I suppose at this stage in the game for me, that was the message I

went looking for when I read it.

Jen

IE'ing since July 08

> >

> >> > I read Rethinking Thin and actually burst into tears after

reading feeling

> >> > it was so hopeless to even try.

> >

> > Maybe that is why I have that book on my shelf but haven't read

it so

> > far. " Why even try if I'm doomed to be fat anyway? "

> >

> > There is so much talk about how there isn't any chance to get and

stay

> > thin if you've been fat, how you haven't any chance to be thin as

an

> > adult unless you ARE already thin. It feels like past mistakes

will

> > haunt me for the rest of my life. That I'm doomed to be always

FAT with

> > all its ugly problems that come along.

> >

> > Regards

> > s.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I got that book (Rethinking Thin) out of the library and I don't even

remember what it says because I read a little bit and put it down and

never picked it back up. It sounds like I didn't miss much.

> >

> >> > I read Rethinking Thin and actually burst into tears after

reading feeling

> >> > it was so hopeless to even try.

> >

> > Maybe that is why I have that book on my shelf but haven't read

it so

> > far. " Why even try if I'm doomed to be fat anyway? "

> >

> > There is so much talk about how there isn't any chance to get and

stay

> > thin if you've been fat, how you haven't any chance to be thin as

an

> > adult unless you ARE already thin. It feels like past mistakes

will

> > haunt me for the rest of my life. That I'm doomed to be always

FAT with

> > all its ugly problems that come along.

> >

> > Regards

> > s.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No wonder I don't know what that book says---I JUST got it out of the

library and haven't opened it yet.....I went to Amazon to see which

of the many books I've been looking at, it actually was.....It sounds

scarey. Does it say that if we are fat adults, we will always be

fat? I suppose if thats true, I can relax. I will be 68 on Thursday.

> > >

> > >> > I read Rethinking Thin and actually burst into tears after

> reading feeling

> > >> > it was so hopeless to even try.

> > >

> > > Maybe that is why I have that book on my shelf but haven't read

> it so

> > > far. " Why even try if I'm doomed to be fat anyway? "

> > >

> > > There is so much talk about how there isn't any chance to get

and

> stay

> > > thin if you've been fat, how you haven't any chance to be thin

as

> an

> > > adult unless you ARE already thin. It feels like past mistakes

> will

> > > haunt me for the rest of my life. That I'm doomed to be always

> FAT with

> > > all its ugly problems that come along.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > s.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I know that I'm in the minority as far as this book goes, but I

enjoyed it.

> > > >

> > > >> > I read Rethinking Thin and actually burst into tears after

> > reading feeling

> > > >> > it was so hopeless to even try.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe that is why I have that book on my shelf but haven't

read

> > it so

> > > > far. " Why even try if I'm doomed to be fat anyway? "

> > > >

> > > > There is so much talk about how there isn't any chance to get

> and

> > stay

> > > > thin if you've been fat, how you haven't any chance to be

thin

> as

> > an

> > > > adult unless you ARE already thin. It feels like past

mistakes

> > will

> > > > haunt me for the rest of my life. That I'm doomed to be

always

> > FAT with

> > > > all its ugly problems that come along.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > s.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>