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All I know is bladder problems were my first MS symptom a bit over 2

years ago. Ever since then (for 2 years now) I urinate anywhere from

15-30 times per day in small amounts, rather than 5-8 times a day in

normal amounts, which is considered healthy. That is how I know I am

not emptying my bladder. Some days it is better, some days it is

worse. I don't believe this has anything to do with my bladder

control muscles, but everything to do with having MS. The messages

that are normally sent from the brain to let the bladder know it is

ready to empty are getting sent too early because my wiring is

faulty. Shortly after my bladder problems started, I developed optic

neuritis, numbness, and stiffness--I have had all these symptoms for

2 years. Again, this is MS, not weak bladder muscles. I wish weak

bladder muscles was my only problem.

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> The only time it would affect your kidneys would be if you had a

urinary

> infection that caused an infection with your kidneys. Not being

able to

> empty your bladder is caused by weakening of the bladder control

muscles

> or buildups in the urethra tube.

>

> Would kegle exercises help?

>

> Tom Nesler

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Oh, and i forgot to mentin in previous post that I literally went

from having a normal bladder (urinating 5-8 times per day) to what I

have now (urinating 15-30 times a day in small amounts) overnight, so

that is not at all consistent with a weakening bladder. If that were

the case, it would have weakened over time.

>

> The only time it would affect your kidneys would be if you had a

urinary

> infection that caused an infection with your kidneys. Not being

able to

> empty your bladder is caused by weakening of the bladder control

muscles

> or buildups in the urethra tube.

>

> Would kegle exercises help?

>

> Tom Nesler

>

>

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Thanks Tom,

When the bladder problems started 2 years ago, I did see two

urologists. This was before I had my MS diagnosis. The first one

stretched my urethra, as he suspected that I had a urethra stricture,

a suspicion which was incorrrect. The problem continued with the

bladder and I switched urologists. I then had a full " urodynamics "

workup at another urologist office, which cost $1,000 not covered by

my insurance b/c of my $2500 deductible, so this all came out of my

pocket. At the end of all their tests, they could not figure out

anything wrong with my bladder and that is when I was first told by

one of the urologists that I might have MS -- because they could not

think of any other explanation. They have prescribed Detrol and

Ditropan, but I rarely take it, unless I am having a very bad urinary

frequency day and something special is going on, like I am going to

have to take a very long drive. The urologist did give me a self-

catheter device, but I have great difficulty using it. I have only

had 2 episodes of loss of bladder control in the 2 years, so that is

not really my problem. My problem, as noted before, is that the

messages are not being properly sent from brain to the area that lets

you know it's time to pee (I think it may be called spastic bladder,

I'm not sure), so when my bladder only has a small amount of urine in

it, my brain sends the signals that it is time to urinate. ly

all the urologists did for me was take my money and unnecessarily

stretch my urethra--which thankfully hasn't caused more problems. I

heard of someone who got their urethra stretched too much (same

procedure as I had) and now they have a major bladder control

problem. I do not recommend urologists as people who can help, at

least not from my experience. In fact I do not recommend going to any

conventional doctors for conditions like MS. The only reason I'm even

getting the MRIs now is for the SSDI, not because I think the

neurologists can help me.

The person who has helped the most with my bladder problem is

Kopera (a natural health practitioner from this board), as I am

helped by her cayenne tincture. However, it has not been a cure, only

a way to reduce the symptoms and lately I have gotten lazy about

taking it. I need to start taking it again, so maybe it was good this

topic came up.

By the way, I'm sorry your wife has this disease. It's tough on those

who have it and their partners. I know it's hard on my boyfriend.

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> I'm very sorry to hear about your problems. My wife has had

problems

> but in her case, lack of muscle

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