Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 If you have a clubcard for Tesco and want to purchase £35 worth of products, you can get £5 discount from the http://www.nutricentre.co.uk/ just remember to put the code in (shows you on home page) I know others use different web sites but I like this one. Luv nne Please could anyone advise where is best to buy NAE. I've had a lookthrough previous posts but can't seem to find any reference.Luv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 _http://www.nutricentre.co.uk/_ > (http://www.nutricentre.co.uk/) I know others use different web sites but I like this one. Me too! x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 http://www.yournutritionshop.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=657 & gclid=CJ_liv2z9pECFQuIlAodr2WrqQ Please could anyone advise where is best to buy NAE. I've had a lookthrough previous posts but can't seem to find any reference.Luv No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1310 - Release Date: 04/03/2008 08:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Hi Sheila No I am not having any problems sleeping. I am finding it so much easier taking it at night. I am on iron tabs so I can spread things out during the day without having to worry about taking it too close to the T4 and T3. I thought that with the NAE you increased the amount when you increased the thyroxine, but does this mean I have to stay on 4 tabs, I was thinking about giving myself perhaps a week to get used to the increase and then drop back down to 3, they are quite expensive and 4 a day does seem to be a large dose. Love Lizzie > Keep on with the adrenal support until you ohave reached the dose of T4 and T3 where your body is happiest with. How do you find takiong T3 at bedtime works out, are you kept awake at all? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Good that you are doing well taking your T3/4 at night Lizzie. Regarding NAE - what I recommend is the building up of your NAE to boost your adrenals generally, but you are right, once you have got to say 3 tablets, then you might need to add another one when you increase your dose, though this is not always the case. If you are boosted enough, there is no need to assume that you need to boost them more when you take an additional dose of thyroid hormone replacement. If you have problems with an increase, then certainly, you do need this extra boost. It is all so difficult I know, but you will soon get to know what your body is doing and what you need. Luv - Sheila Hi SheilaNo I am not having any problems sleeping. I am finding it so mucheasier taking it at night. I am on iron tabs so I can spread thingsout during the day without having to worry about taking it too closeto the T4 and T3.I thought that with the NAE you increased the amount when youincreased the thyroxine, but does this mean I have to stay on 4 tabs,I was thinking about giving myself perhaps a week to get used to theincrease and then drop back down to 3, they are quite expensive and 4a day does seem to be a large dose.Love Lizzie> Keep on with the adrenal support until you ohave reached the dose ofT4 and T3 where your body is happiest with. How do you find takiong T3at bedtime works out, are you kept awake at all?> > No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1323 - Release Date: 10/03/2008 11:07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Hi Mandy NAE = Nutri Adrenal extra. You can buy this from www.yournutritionship.co.uk Luv - sheila Hi - can someone clarify what NAE is please - I know it is for adrenalsupport but what does this stand for and where does one buy it.Txregards,Mandy No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1446 - Release Date: 16/05/2008 07:42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 > > Hi Everyone > > I know that it is advised to increase the NAE when we have a dose > increase, but for how long, I increased my T4 on wednesday and added > an extra NAE so I am now taking 4 a day with stable temps 36.8 - 37 basal. > As it takes 6 weeks for a dose increase of T4 to take effect is it > necessary to continue extra NAE for so long? > > Thanks Lizzie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Hi My colleague and I were transfixed by the blast from the Olympus engine that they test flew on a Vulcan from Farnborough (an air show) c 1963/4. (about 200-300yds to the rear of the jet pipe)...pardon, I didn't quite hear what you said! My colleague was then an apprentice at Farnborough in aeronautical engineering and went on to work on the Concorde project at Bristol. Needless to say, I saw the last Concorde land at Filton some time back. Are you describing the effect of the Vulcan or the tablets?? best wishes Bob > > Hello > just seen the Vulcan hit the skies over where I live today at an > international airshow. what a site I can tell you! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Well watching the Vulcan fly was a wonderful thing especially as it has taken time and a great deal of money (millions) to fly it and at times it was very doubtful it would fly due to money and aviation restrictions, so a very special experience for all who saw it, the airshow Raf Waddington, lincoln. I would also like an answer from any 'knowing' person to my question regarding the NAE! From: bob.m9uk <Bob.m9uk@...>Subject: Re: NAEthyroid treatment Date: Saturday, 5 July, 2008, 8:06 PM Hi My colleague and I were transfixed by the blast from the Olympus engine that they test flew best wishesBob>> Hello> just seen the Vulcan hit the skies over where I live today at an > international airshow. what a site I can tell you!> Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 > Ok, just wanted to ask, I have started NAE today and was wondering how > long it takes to feel an effect? I am starting on one a day, when can I > go up to 2? Still feel detached, light headed and wobbly will this go > away? Please reasure me! Hi , I think if it was enough for you, you should feel some kind of effect pretty quickly (?within a week). However, with your results indicating severe adrenal fatigue, I very much doubt you will notice anything at just one tablet. You will most likely need more, and in fact you may need hydrocortisone at levels like that. Sorry to be a damp squib - if anyone else on the list who had low saliva results like yours but responded to NAE, could they post? I tried NAE for 6 months, ending up on 5 a day. I then finally did the saliva test, and it was similar to yours (even after all that supplementation - licorice and high Vit C too). On ringing Dr Peatfield, he said I needed HC, and that the NAE would not be enough. I'm not necessarily going to be getting back to messages quickly at the moment, as I'm feeling pretty lousy. Do you know about the NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS group? Lots of people grappling with adrenal supplementation, US-based, but a fair few UK members. Good luck - at least now you have a fuller picture of what you're dealing with! Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hi People, I had similar results to 's, and have done almost two weeks with nae, one at first and after five days two per day. I have had a better week this week, just noticed subtle changes to energy, more calm, and able to get through a longer period of the day before the fog set in. So, I'm a bit hopeful, do not take any thyro meds, but it's early days I realise. While my cortisol was worryingly low from salivary tests only in range at 4pm, dhea was high, twice during the day. Can you shed any light on this for me please? Thanks, x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hello Janet, My salivary results did not say 'severe' adrenal failure, they said 'poor/compromised cortisol output'. I am starting on one a day as I have been advised on here and will bump up to 2 in a few days. I guess you are right I will feel something if they are doing anything in a week or so, maybe someone else on here can give me some experience of taking it and how long before they saw any improvement? From: janetstansfeld <janet@...>Subject: Re: NAEthyroid treatment Date: Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 10:27 AM > Ok, just wanted to ask, I have started NAE today and was wondering how > long it takes to feel an effect? I am starting on one a day, when can I > go up to 2? Still feel detached, light headed and wobbly will this go > away? Please reasure me!Hi , I think if it was enough for you, you should feel some kind of effectpretty quickly (?within a week). However, with your results indicatingsevere adrenal fatigue, I very much doubt you will notice anything atjust one tablet. You will most likely need more, and in fact you mayneed hydrocortisone at levels like that. Sorry to be a damp squib - ifanyone else on the list who had low saliva results like yours butresponded to NAE, could they post? I tried NAE for 6 months, ending up on 5 a day. I then finally did thesaliva test, and it was similar to yours (even after all thatsupplementation - licorice and high Vit C too). On ringing DrPeatfield, he said I needed HC,> Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hi mary I am day 2 on the Nae so not expecting too much yet, I will raise to 2 in a few days time. My 4pm cortisol was the lowest result too and the midnight one was over range and the highest, cant understand that apart from the fact I slept in the evening before taking the midnight sample so that may have something to do with it. I dont understand what The DHEA is and neither did my doctor! and again all those results were below range apart from the midnight one! Have you been referred to a specialist? My doctor has said he will look for someone for me but I am going to find myself someone, even if I have to pay privately. I am going to America in October and want to be well for that deperatley. Keep in touch mary, its so nice to have someone to talk to as no one who I tell understands what I am talking about! From: <marylinda@...>Subject: Re: NAEthyroid treatment Date: Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 11:18 AM Hi People, I had similar results to 's, and have done almost two weeks with nae, one at first and after five days two per day. I have had a better week this week, just noticed subtle changes to energy, more calm, x Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 > My 4pm cortisol was the lowest result too and the midnight one was over range and the highest, cant understand that apart from the fact I slept in the evening before taking the midnight sample so that may have something to do with it. What were the actual saliva results with the ranges, could not find details in this thread? The midnight one goes high because your adrenal glands are struggling to put out some more cortisol earlier in the day. They do not succeed and finally manage to get things moving at night just when your body wants the cortisol to be lower in order to sleep. Don't think having an evening nap would effect this though. Maybe I amw rong here, anybody else? Some people find it helpful to take (sp?) phosphatyl serine in the evening to lower this high cortisol and it helps them sleep? Do you have any trouble getting to sleep at all? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 > > Hi again , I do hope you begin to notice little differences in a few days too, it's not huge, I have to say, but it's there for me. I am seeing one of Sheila's listed endos this week. You may remember from our exchanges I also have a long and grey thryroid history,and goitre for the second time in my life, which is possibly now impacting my health as well. I have opted to go privately, because of the rigid thinking of the nhs. My free T4 is only just in range these days, and I am very symptomatic. Once again, as TPA highlights, my local hospitals have 'diabetes' specialists rather than thryoid. So I am seeing a consultant endo at one of the London teaching hospitals, which I guess could be an option for you, if you can't get sorted locally that is. Once I've seen him I'll post some feedback, which might be of interest to all, but I'll need to check out how to do that within protocols first, eg, confidentiality etc. So, take care, I'm off to view the Wimbledon final 'come on Raffa!' Speak soon, M x Hi mary > I am day 2 on the Nae so not expecting too much yet, I will raise to 2 in a few days time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hi MO My results were as follows: Salivary cortisol 8am 10.3 (ref 12.0-33.0) 12 noon 9.4 (ref 10.0-28.0) 4pm 3.9 (ref 6.0-11.8) Midnight 6.8 (ref 1.0-5.0) I dont have any problems getting to sleep, no, its just staying asleep that I cant do, although just lately that has got better but I still wake several times in the night. From: Mo Osborne <moosborne@...>Subject: Re: NAEthyroid treatment Date: Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 12:46 PM > My 4pm cortisol was the lowest result too and the midnight one was over range and the highest, cant understand that apart from the fact I slept in the evening before taking the midnight sample so that may have something to do with it.What were the actual saliva results with the ranges, could not find details in this thread?The midnight one goes high because your adrenal glands are struggling to put out some more cortisol earlier in the day. They do not succeed and finally manage to get things moving at night just when your body wants the cortisol to be lower in order to sleep. Mo Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 You're below range all day and over the range at midnight so I would have to agree with Janet that you are likely to need somethng stronger than NAE to get your levels sorted. Did you have a doctor diagnose from these results? My own experience is that the lab wrote on my results that the cortisol and DHEA were OK and Dr Peatfield did not agree with them at all. It looks like quite several adrenal fatigue to me and you will need to get your a.m. levels up if the midnight level is to lower which it needs to do. I am surprised you can easily get to sleep but would guess that the sleep disruption is from the high cortisol as this is spurring you to awaken as your midnight level is about what a healthy cortisol level would be expected at 5 pm I think. The PS would probably help you stay asleep. Mo > > Hi MO > My results were as follows: >  > Salivary cortisol > 8am 10.3 (ref 12.0-33.0) > 12 noon 9.4 (ref 10.0-28.0) > 4pm 3.9 (ref 6.0-11.8) > Midnight 6.8 (ref 1.0-5.0) >  > I dont have any problems getting to sleep, no, its just staying asleep that I cant do, although just lately that has got better but I still wake several times in the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hi I have took these results to show my doc, I did these tests off my own back, my doc didnt request them and indeed had no idea what they were when I showed him them, although he did agree that if they were 'acurate' it could be a reason I am not getting totally well on my thyroxine! No big surprise there! How would I get anything stronger than NEA? I guess on prescription? I now know I need to see a specaialist and have asked shelia to send me her list of Endos, shes hasnt yet but I am hoping she will when shes read my mail From: Mo Osborne <moosborne@...>Subject: Re: NAEthyroid treatment Date: Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 5:10 PM You're below range all day and over the range at midnight so I would have to agree with Janet that you are likely to need somethng stronger than NAE to get your levels sorted.Did you have a doctor diagnose from these results? My own experience is that the lab wrote on my results that the cortisol and DHEA wereMo>> Hi MO> My results were as follows:>  > Salivary cortisol> 8am 10.3 (ref 12.0-33.0)> 12 noon 9.4 (ref 10.0-28.0)> 4pm 3.9 (ref 6.0-11.8)> Midnight 6.8 (ref 1.0-5.0)>  > I dont have any problems getting to sleep, no, its just staying asleep that I cant do, although just lately that has got better but I still wake several times in the night. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hi I have sent the list to you privately. You will see some are private doctors, some NHS and some do both NHS and private work. You will have to find the phone numbers to speak to the secretary of the one's you are interested in to find out a little more about them, and whether they will treat adrenals.Sorry not to have got back to you before now, but I have been cooking and then eating my dinner ) luv - Sheil I now know I need to see a specaialist and have asked shelia to send me her list of Endos, shes hasnt yet but I am hoping she will when shes read my mail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 - Hi , > I have took these results to show my doc, I did these tests off my own back, my doc didnt request them and indeed had no idea what they were when I showed him them Yes, unfortunately the majority of NHS docs don't know anything about saliva tests. How would I get anything stronger than NEA? I guess on prescription? If you're very lucky! Otherwise you can get hydrocortisone yourself via internationalpharmacy.com If you do go this route however, you really need someone to guide you. I now know I need to see a specaialist and have asked shelia to send me her list of Endos. I see you've now got the list. If you're anywhere near where he does his clinics, I'd really recommend Dr Peatfield - expert in treating adrenals and thyroid. See the main tpa website for links to where/how much he charges. Finally, don't know if you've seen the site below - more info on adrenals and a guide to which stage of adrenal exhaustion you are: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ Love, Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 How would IÂ get anything stronger than NEA? I guess on prescription? Isocort would be the next stage up from NAE and they are available online without a prescription. www.wellnessworks.net I think is the name of the supplier. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Hi , Is your doc prepared to help with your adrenals? Isocort is a stronger alternative, but less so than prednisolone, both of which can be bought from online pharmacies. Subject: Re: Re: NAE Hi I have took these results to show my doc, I did these tests off my own back, my doc didnt request them and indeed had no idea what they were when I showed him them, although he did agree that if they were 'acurate' it could be a reason I am not getting totally well on my thyroxine! No big surprise there! How would I get anything stronger than NEA? I guess on prescription? I now know I need to see a specaialist and have asked shelia to send me her list of Endos, shes hasnt yet but I am hoping she will when shes read my mail From: Mo Osborne <moosborne@...> Subject: Re: NAE thyroid treatment Date: Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 5:10 PM You're below range all day and over the range at midnight so I would have to agree with Janet that you are likely to need somethng stronger than NAE to get your levels sorted. Did you have a doctor diagnose from these results? My own experience is that the lab wrote on my results that the cortisol and DHEA were Mo > > Hi MO > My results were as follows: >  > Salivary cortisol > 8am 10.3 (ref 12.0-33.0) > 12 noon 9.4 (ref 10.0-28.0) > 4pm 3.9 (ref 6.0-11.8) > Midnight 6.8 (ref 1.0-5.0) >  > I dont have any problems getting to sleep, no, its just staying asleep that I cant do, although just lately that has got better but I still wake several times in the night. Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Hi I never got an information leaflet with mine! I carried on taking my thyroxine and really I should have stopped it for a week or so but because I didnt know I therefore didnt stop. I have been told its best to stop the T4 but I personnally dont see what difference stopping a week would do as T4 has such a long hallf life it will still be in your system at the same level after a week, but that seems to be the advice. I may have delayed my progress on it by not stopping and have had to reduce my dose as I was taking 4 and have felt very sick, I am sticking with 2 now for a while. Some people cant tollerate high doses although some seem to take 6 I dont think I could. I hope it helps you From: Cecilia <HYPO-THYROID@...>Subject: NAEthyroid treatment Date: Wednesday, 6 August, 2008, 2:11 PM HiSorry to be a pain in the neck but I just got some NAEs and have put my info pack safely away, its so safe even i can't find it :0Cec Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 HI Cec the adrenals do need to do as little work as possible when you start to iontroduce NAE. If you are taking L-thyroxin daily, on each occasion, the adrenals have to do a hop, skippity jump to help get the thyroxine to be properly absorbed and to help it to convert. If you keep introducing yet more thyroid hormone each day, and your poor adrenals are trying to get repaired themselves, this is giving them little chance. This is the reason we recommend you stop taking ANY thyroid hormone replacement for as long as you can bear to not take it. The effect of the thyroxine drops completely after around 6 weeks, but each week, if you don't take anymore, the potency is less and less and this gives the NAE a better chance to boost the adrenals. It will be safe to start back on the level of levothyroxine you were taking before you started NAE. This honestly will give your adrenals SO much more of a chance to repair, so please don't fret that going without your thyroxin is going to cause you problems big time. It won't. Luv - Sheila HiSorry to be a pain in the neck but I just got some NAEs and have put my info pack safely away, its so safe even i can't find it :0) I wanted to know how long do I have to stop my levo before I start the NAEs and when will it be safe to start the levo again.I'm taking 150mcg at the moment should I restart with 100mcg after the NAEs and work up to 150 again. Cec No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1594 - Release Date: 05/08/2008 21:49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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