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August 9, 2006

Hi Jana sorry I didn't respond to this yesterday, I think I saw the new post from you that it is for an assistant position of some kind and they probably want to know that you can a) have no pre-existing issues with health and lift 20 lbs?? Shouldn't be an issue from those 2 stand points... crossing the fingers and hoping for the best!!

April 18, 2007

I had a mom say to me today (I work with her foster child) that her ultrasound

showed no signs of Down syndrome...that she was soooo relieved that she wasn't

having a child with THOSE issues.

I hated to shoot her down...I had extended ultrasounds done 2 times a week from

my 16th week on (for other issues). These didn't show any concerns at all. But

Karrie sure has ds!!!

A very wise person told me once that " To the world you may just be one person,

but to one person, you may be the world " . Fits our situation, too!

Sue mom to Kate 17 and Karrie 10 w/ds and mild autism (who's driving me crazy

tonight!!)

---- Ann Masch <anndmasch@...> wrote:

=============

Can I take a moment here to express what maybe I can only express here? I have

a friend who is 37 and has gotten pregnant. I am totally happy for her. I

shout hurray!!! What do I hear but " I am not telling anyone about this

pregnancy until after the genetic testing is done-the earliest one available. "

Not just once mind you but repeatedly. She wants to be married before she looks

pregnant. She doesn't want to marry until she knows she is having a baby with

no genetic issues. She doesn't seem to get how that would bug me. My daughter

Amelia thinks the world of this friend of mine. My daughter is the only child

my friend has ever known with a genetic difference. Wow. What a

disappointment. I feel like telling her off really...but I guess I won't. I

will simply know that she doesn't have a clue what she is doing. I am not

suggesting that she do anything one way or the other. I am merely disgusted

that after knowing Amelia for seven years she finds the thought

of a child like her to be something unthinkable. I would like to tell her good

luck on motherhood sweetheart. It's about stepping out with some guts. It's

about NOT giving more consideration to what the world thinks then to what your

child knows. It's about understanding that no child is perfect and most of them

will rip your heart out. But only a few of them will think Mom is the cat's ass

until the end. Amelia thinks I am the queen of her world. I am honored to be

so. So to hec with my friend and her wimpy fears. I will wish her the best.

That is what I feel like I got most days. Thanks.

Ann (mother to Amelia ds 7 and Jake 5)

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April 18, 2007

Gee some people are so naïve - okay so the ultrasound didn't show DS, and

we all know that ultrasounds are not 100% accurate. The thing is any baby

can be born with issues of some kind and some that are not noticeable to

older.

LOL - 'who's driving me crazy tonight' -

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 22yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

Re: rant

I had a mom say to me today (I work with her foster child) that her

ultrasound showed no signs of Down syndrome...that she was soooo relieved

that she wasn't having a child with THOSE issues.

I hated to shoot her down...I had extended ultrasounds done 2 times a week

from my 16th week on (for other issues). These didn't show any concerns at

all. But Karrie sure has ds!!!

A very wise person told me once that " To the world you may just be one

person, but to one person, you may be the world " . Fits our situation, too!

Sue mom to Kate 17 and Karrie 10 w/ds and mild autism (who's driving me

crazy tonight!!)

---- Ann Masch <anndmasch@...> wrote:

=============

Can I take a moment here to express what maybe I can only express here? I

have a friend who is 37 and has gotten pregnant. I am totally happy for

her. I shout hurray!!! What do I hear but " I am not telling anyone about

this pregnancy until after the genetic testing is done-the earliest one

available. " Not just once mind you but repeatedly. She wants to be married

before she looks pregnant. She doesn't want to marry until she knows she is

having a baby with no genetic issues. She doesn't seem to get how that

would bug me. My daughter Amelia thinks the world of this friend of mine.

My daughter is the only child my friend has ever known with a genetic

difference. Wow. What a disappointment. I feel like telling her off

really...but I guess I won't. I will simply know that she doesn't have a

clue what she is doing. I am not suggesting that she do anything one way or

the other. I am merely disgusted that after knowing Amelia for seven years

she finds the thought of a child like her to be something unthinkable. I

would like to tell her good luck on motherhood sweetheart. It's about

stepping out with some guts. It's about NOT giving more consideration to

what the world thinks then to what your child knows. It's about

understanding that no child is perfect and most of them will rip your heart

out. But only a few of them will think Mom is the cat's ass until the end.

Amelia thinks I am the queen of her world. I am honored to be so. So to

hec with my friend and her wimpy fears. I will wish her the best. That is

what I feel like I got most days. Thanks.

Ann (mother to Amelia ds 7 and Jake 5)

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April 18, 2007

My oldest daughter has issues, the one who has no medical diagnosis!!

As for driving me crazy...Karrie is so independent (or she wants to be). Her " do

it my own " statement means she's into something...sigh...so far this evening,

she's poured milk (on the counter and in the cup), filled the toilet with toilet

paper, then flushed, and was trying out karate kicks on the cat. Is it time for

bed yet??

Sue mom to Kate 17 and Karrie 10 w/ds and mild autism

April 18, 2007

so far this evening, she's poured milk (on the counter and in the cup),

filled the toilet with toilet paper, then flushed, and was trying out karate

kicks on the cat. I

Except for the karate kicks on the cat - sounds like our house! I do hope

the cat fought back - ours does occasionally but usually waits growling and

hissing for someone to rescue him - why doesn't he fight back 'cause he

will get hit. Trent for some strange reason - likes taking the cat to the

toilet with him - really can't figure that one out.

Though must admit he very seldom over pours when pouring drink, gets it to

the very top of the glass but he will pour everyone else a drink and in

their favorite glass. I have an extremely large glass I use for drinking

water - that frequently gets filled to the top with soft drink. I use to

have a very large wine glass which I used for water - well know he gets a

wine glass out for any alcoholic drink.

What would we do without them - actually wouldn't life be boring without

any of our children - we may be richer financially but far poorer for

love/insight/funny stories/company.

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 22yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

April 18, 2007

Karrie doesn't actually kick the cat...she just kicks near him. Oreo, gentle guy

that he is, lies there, watching her adoringly (is that a word?). This cat used

to lay on the floor facing Karrie and he would pet her face! He has never

scratched her. I don't think he can hiss, we have never heard him hiss or growl

and he's going to be 9 this summer. He was dumped at our house at the age of 4

weeks.

Karrie doesn't take Oreo in the bathroom. She did try to stuff him in her

bookbag the other day to take him to school. She finally gave up and put her

stuffed Barney in the bag

Sue mom to Kate 17 and Karrie 10 w/ds and mild autism

April 19, 2007

Ann,

I went through a similar incident with Nic's Godmother, no less.

She had a miscarriage and said to me that she'd rather have a miscarriage

than a child with " issues " . That was very hurtful. I mentioned what she

said to a mutual friend and she told her how insensitive she was. The

Godmother then called me to apologize and said she doesn't see Nic as having

a disability, Nic is just Nic. So Maybe the case is the same for your

friend. Maybe she just sees Amelia as Amelia and forgets she has a genetic

difference.

Di

rant

> Can I take a moment here to express what maybe I can only express here? I

> have a friend who is 37 and has gotten pregnant. I am totally happy for

> her. I shout hurray!!! What do I hear but " I am not telling anyone about

> this pregnancy until after the genetic testing is done-the earliest one

> available. " Not just once mind you but repeatedly. She wants to be

> married before she looks pregnant. She doesn't want to marry until she

> knows she is having a baby with no genetic issues. She doesn't seem to

> get how that would bug me. My daughter Amelia thinks the world of this

> friend of mine. My daughter is the only child my friend has ever known

> with a genetic difference. Wow. What a disappointment. I feel like

> telling her off really...but I guess I won't. I will simply know that she

> doesn't have a clue what she is doing. I am not suggesting that she do

> anything one way or the other. I am merely disgusted that after knowing

> Amelia for seven years she finds the thought

> of a child like her to be something unthinkable. I would like to tell her

> good luck on motherhood sweetheart. It's about stepping out with some

> guts. It's about NOT giving more consideration to what the world thinks

> then to what your child knows. It's about understanding that no child is

> perfect and most of them will rip your heart out. But only a few of them

> will think Mom is the cat's ass until the end. Amelia thinks I am the

> queen of her world. I am honored to be so. So to hec with my friend and

> her wimpy fears. I will wish her the best. That is what I feel like I

> got most days. Thanks.

>

> Ann (mother to Amelia ds 7 and Jake 5)

>

> ---------------------------------

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

April 19, 2007

In a message dated 4/18/2007 9:05:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

karriemom@... writes:

Is it time for bed yet??

LOL!! I'm with you there.

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April 19, 2007

In a message dated 4/18/2007 11:27:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

karriemom@... writes:

She did try to stuff him in her bookbag the other day to take him to school

ohmigosh! That is hysterical!

Loree

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October 31, 2007

Yes heaven forbid you bring up the dreaded " V " word! Honestly if they are

offended and don't stay friends with you...they weren't worth being friendly

with in the first place, IMO.

Lori

rant

Well I guess I've made some of the members of my playgroup uncomfortable.

They are totally fine w/me not vaccinating , and her being around their

kids. One of the members asked me a natural health question on the message

board, so I responded and included vaccine stuff. Apparently I offended some

of the other members. You just can't win. I'm actually pretty upset about

it. has so much fun at playgroup, and I'm the organizer of this

particular group. I don't want her to lose these friends, b/c the moms are

very

nice. Anyway, just needed to get it off my chest. Thanks for listening.

Holly

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October 31, 2007

Yes, this is the bad part about choosing not to vaccinate your child/children.

My own mother could not understand my reasoning for not wanting my daughter to

get her shots although I tried to explain- she is like all the others out there

who are " clueless " and thinks that " if the doctor says they are good for you,

then they MUST be because a doctor knows everything! " ...Nope...I don't think so.

I took my daughter to her check-up just yesterday, with plans to refuse any

shots they wanted to give. What makes me mad is that the doctor/nurse just come

in the room and say " If you'll lay her on the table I will give her her

shot " ...What happened to asking me first???!!! Why is there no " Mrs. --, would

you like for your daughter to have this shot? " but they just walk on in ready to

stick her without questioning me if I even wanted it to begin with!!! GGGRRRR!!!

And then, when I tell the doctor that I don't think I want the shots, he

basically bullies me into getting them by making

me feel like I would be a terrible mom if something happened to her because I

chose to not get the shots. And he also lets me know that if I DON'T get the

shots, he will not be able to see her anymore because he doesn't want an

unvaccinated child in his clinic near other children!! I'm so caught between the

two...If she gets her shots and something happens to her, I would want to die! I

would feel that it was MY fault...But if she doesn't get her shots and something

happens to her, I would still want to die and EVERYBODY would feel that it was

MY fault because I was already " warned " that I was " putting her at risk " ....What

to do??? All my mom could say was " I guess it's like the saying goes- since

there's a risk either way- 'Damned if I do, damned if I don't' " I'm so scared

of making the wrong decision either way and hurting my precious baby!! Would it

be ok to choose no more vaccinations past age 1 since there is so much pressure

right now to " build her immune system "

since she's only a few weeks old??? Would stopping vaccinations after one year

be better than continuing???

Kellie

mensrea320@... wrote:

Well I guess I've made some of the members of my playgroup

uncomfortable.

They are totally fine w/me not vaccinating , and her being around their

kids. One of the members asked me a natural health question on the message

board, so I responded and included vaccine stuff. Apparently I offended some

of the other members. You just can't win. I'm actually pretty upset about

it. has so much fun at playgroup, and I'm the organizer of this

particular group. I don't want her to lose these friends, b/c the moms are very

nice. Anyway, just needed to get it off my chest. Thanks for listening.

Holly

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November 1, 2007

They're probably nervous as the info you gave them made them feel a

bit insecure in their own decision, and they don't like being

reminded of it. Luckily they accept you though as where I am unless

you're in an alternative group there's still a lot of negativity

publicly about not vaccinating and ignorance about the facts, as

well as generally about home births and pre natal care, the whole

lot. Choice is just really a word in a leaflet somewhere and you

have to opt out of everything rather than opt in and it is made

difficult for you. Even though it's not law, the law interferes so

much that it almost, and there's constant pressure through various

services you can't get away from and then from " friends " and

family. there's so much press about dangers that many parents are

very extreme pro vaccine which is difficult. They must have no

confidence in their own child's vaccine at all.

At the end of the day, you can make new baby friends if you really

have to. They should respect your opinions enough for you to give

information relating to your own choices when asked, without getting

all defensive about it. Hopefully they'll see how healthy your

child is in future and might even rethink themselves for future

shots and not group off together.

Cath (uk mum)

In Vaccinations , mensrea320@... wrote:

>

> Well I guess I've made some of the members of my playgroup

uncomfortable.

> They are totally fine w/me not vaccinating , and her being

around their

> kids. One of the members asked me a natural health question on

the message

> board, so I responded and included vaccine stuff. Apparently I

offended some

> of the other members. You just can't win. I'm actually pretty

upset about

> it. has so much fun at playgroup, and I'm the organizer of

this

> particular group. I don't want her to lose these friends, b/c

the moms are very

> nice. Anyway, just needed to get it off my chest. Thanks for

listening.

>

> Holly

>

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November 1, 2007

In a message dated 11/1/2007 7:26:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cathysmailbox@... writes:

Hopefully they'll see how healthy your

child is in future and might even rethink themselves for future

shots and not group off together.

I have had so many people come up to me out of the blue and say to me that

there is something different about . One thing they accused me of is

comparing to other kids in the group. So they cannot objectively look at

her in any way, but that might be comparing her. I like to " compare notes "

w/other moms to see what works for them and how they do things. Apparently

that is wrong. This mom stated her son has a speech delay, but it has nothing

to do w/his diet or vaccines. That is so funny to me. How does she know

that? B/c the govt and her doctor say? give me a break.

Holly

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November 1, 2007

" Well I guess I've made some of the members of my playgroup uncomfortable.

They are totally fine w/me not vaccinating , and her being around their

kids. One of the members asked me a natural health question on the message

board, so I responded and included vaccine stuff. Apparently I offended some

of the other members. You just can't win. I'm actually pretty upset about

it. has so much fun at playgroup, and I'm the organizer of this

particular group. I don't want her to lose these friends, b/c the moms are very

nice. Anyway, just needed to get it off my chest. Thanks for listening.

Holly "

Holly

Last Spring I went to one of my La Leche League playgroups at a woman's home.

You would think a LLLI member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended up

only being she and I and our 2 daughters. She was also 8 months pregnant. Well

we started talking about AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I

brought up the fact that I don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me

that she works for Merck and that she didn't understand that at all. I thought

that was the end of it, but then she started emailing me and calling me

hysterically saying her doctor said she and her unborn child had been exposed to

all kinds of diseases from my DD and she was at risk and would now have to be

monitored and all kinds of nonsense. When I explained to her that just walking

around she is exposed to lots of things and told her she shouldn't worry because

she didn't know who she came in contact with on a day to day basis that didn't

vaccinate and she accused me of threatening her!

Anyway, you just can't be aware of people's prejudices. Even though our leader

reached out to her, she decided to quit coming to LLL. I have decided to be

very judicial with whom I share any info about Teryn not being vaccinated. I

have also joined my local Holistic Moms network because most everyone there also

does not vax or limits their vaccinations.

If you go to mothering.com and click on find your tribe, perhaps there is one in

your area.

I hope you find some like minded folks to have playgroups with!

Huff

November 1, 2007

Keep educating the mamas who don't know. I wasn't clued in till recently and

wish someone had cared enough to educate me before my 3rd child.

Vaccinations@...: piersonhuff@...: Thu, 1 Nov

2007 10:53:53 -0400Subject: Re: rant

" Well I guess I've made some of the members of my playgroup uncomfortable. They

are totally fine w/me not vaccinating , and her being around their kids.

One of the members asked me a natural health question on the message board, so I

responded and included vaccine stuff. Apparently I offended some of the other

members. You just can't win. I'm actually pretty upset about it. has so

much fun at playgroup, and I'm the organizer of this particular group. I don't

want her to lose these friends, b/c the moms are very nice. Anyway, just needed

to get it off my chest. Thanks for listening.Holly " HollyLast Spring I went to

one of my La Leche League playgroups at a woman's home. You would think a LLLI

member would be open-minded, right? Well, It ended up only being she and I and

our 2 daughters. She was also 8 months pregnant. Well we started talking about

AP parenting, and homeopathic remedies and then I brought up the fact that I

don't vaccinate my DD. Well she then informed me that she works for Merck and

that she didn't understand that at all. I thought that was the end of it, but

then she started emailing me and calling me hysterically saying her doctor said

she and her unborn child had been exposed to all kinds of diseases from my DD

and she was at risk and would now have to be monitored and all kinds of

nonsense. When I explained to her that just walking around she is exposed to

lots of things and told her she shouldn't worry because she didn't know who she

came in contact with on a day to day basis that didn't vaccinate and she accused

me of threatening her!Anyway, you just can't be aware of people's prejudices.

Even though our leader reached out to her, she decided to quit coming to LLL. I

have decided to be very judicial with whom I share any info about Teryn not

being vaccinated. I have also joined my local Holistic Moms network because most

everyone there also does not vax or limits their vaccinations. If you go to

mothering.com and click on find your tribe, perhaps there is one in your area.I

hope you find some like minded folks to have playgroups with! Huff[Non-text

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Hi Holly,

I'm sure that can be frustrating. Makes me realize how fortunate I am

to be in the playgroup I'm now currently in. Another mom and I formed

a *progressive* playgroup for us " Other Mothers " who didn't feel like

we fit in with the mainstream, conventional playgroups. I never felt

comfortable posting messages on that message board about this topic

because I felt outnumbered and knew I would be criticized simply

because they did not know better.

In the previous playgroup we were in, when a 12M old boy had a

terrible reaction to the MMR vaccine and his mom posted photos of

him, I kindly asked her if she was going to continue getting vaccines

and even if select or delaying vaccines was an option, and she

quickly shot back that she was pro-vax and did not want to get into a

controversial discussion, and if she had to do it again, she would

have him get the MMR vaccine again. So, that was that.

When we formed this new playgroup all these " alternative " ,

progressive moms came out of the woodwork and began to join and we

even got some members from that other group. Even though not

everybody is one the same side of the vaccine debate (however, most

moms in this group don't vaccinate), everyone respects each other,

and I'm fortunate to finally have found my tribe.

I hope you find yours too.

T.

>

> Well I guess I've made some of the members of my playgroup

uncomfortable.

> They are totally fine w/me not vaccinating , and her being

around their

> kids. One of the members asked me a natural health question on

the message

> board, so I responded and included vaccine stuff. Apparently I

offended some

> of the other members. You just can't win. I'm actually pretty

upset about

> it. has so much fun at playgroup, and I'm the organizer of

this

> particular group. I don't want her to lose these friends, b/c the

moms are very

> nice. Anyway, just needed to get it off my chest. Thanks for

listening.

>

> Holly

>

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November 1, 2007

Ohh! I love the Holistic Moms Network!

I'm a coleader for the new Austin HMN chapter and am very thankful we

have one here now. Matter of fact, our last topic was on Vaccinations.

T.

>I have also joined my local Holistic Moms network because most

>everyone there also does not vax or limits their vaccinations.

>If you go to mothering.com and click on find your tribe, perhaps there

>is one in your area. >I hope you find some like minded folks to have

playgroups with!

> Huff

November 2, 2007

Isn't it the best!! Another mom and I are trying to start one in our area

(Central Bucks County, PA), but there are 2 other chapters pretty close (lower

Bucks and Mercer county NJ) that we attend. I love my La Leche League

meetings, too, DGMW, but they really do focus mainly on breastfeeding issues

AISB, and I needed a place that had a broader focus.

I recommend HMN to every mom who lives an " Alternative " lifestyle. The more

like minds congregate the more thinking changes as a whole. Hopefully soon the

we will be the mainstream and the old way of thinking will be the alternative.

Huff

" Ohh! I love the Holistic Moms Network!

I'm a coleader for the new Austin HMN chapter and am very thankful we

have one here now. Matter of fact, our last topic was on Vaccinations.

T. "

November 2, 2007

With Jen B??? We are on a lot of the same lists, but I don't believe we

have ever met.....

On 11/2/07, Huff <piersonhuff@...> wrote:

>

> Isn't it the best!! Another mom and I are trying to start one in our

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> (lower Bucks and Mercer county NJ) that we attend.

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November 2, 2007

Yes, Isn't she great! I went to her house for a playgroup a few weeks ago with

my DD Teryn. But I don't think you were there. I have also been to one of the

Mercer county meetings. Do you live in Bucks County? Where?

All My Best

Re: Re: rant

With Jen B??? We are on a lot of the same lists, but I don't believe we

have ever met.....

On 11/2/07, Huff

<piersonhuff@...<mailto:piersonhuff@...>> wrote:

>

> Isn't it the best!! Another mom and I are trying to start one in our

> area (Central Bucks County, PA), but there are 2 other chapters pretty close

> (lower Bucks and Mercer county NJ) that we attend.

> Recent Activity

>

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Something that I haven't heard much discussion of, but have often wondered: For

those

kids who don't have obvious vaccine injuries as many of ours do, what

consequences will

they face due to their high levels of mercury exposure health-wise down the

road?

Will we see cancer at a young age? MS? Other demyelinating diseases?

Parkinson's? A rash

of " mental illnesses " ? In my opinion, NO ONE can be be exposed to such high

levels of

toxins (excreters or not) and come out unscathed without radical health

intervention.

As hard as it is for our kids, I am also very concerned for the other children

born in these

last 15 years, and the long- term implications for what has been done to them.

And I don't

even have any NT kids!

>

> What would happen if you exposed a generation of American infants to

> Thimerosal (ethylmercury) via multiple infant vaccines from about

> 1988 to 2002? Not a slight exposure, but at an average rate that

> exceeds the EPA's recommended mercury exposure limit by 30X for each

> mercury containing vaccination. It has been proven that the potency

> of Thimerosal is enhanced in the presence testosterone, while

> estrogen provides a protective effect. Could this be the reason that

> there are 4 boys with autism for every girl, YES? Could it also

> explain the recent autism epidemic that the CDC states: afflicts " 1

> out of 166 children " , YES. Might it also explain why, according to

> the CDC, that " 1 out of 6 children " now have a developmental

> disability? Could it explain the following?

>

> DISABILITY MALE FEMALE

> Learning Disability 73.4% 26.6%

> Emotional Disturbance 76.4% 23.6%

> Speech Impairment 59.5% 40.5%

> Mental Retardation 58% 42%

> Autism 80% 20%

>

> YES. GEE WHIZ, WHAT A SHOCK! EXPOSING MILLIONS OF CHILDREN TO

> MERCURY AT 30-100X OVER SCIENTFICALLY DERIVED SAFETY LIMITS MIGHT

> ACTUALLY CAUSE HARM and cause harm to boys at a much higher rate than

> girls. What about the millions of American kids who received these,

> now obsolete, mercury-containing vaccines? They were all poisoned to

> some degree, the question is: to what degree? What type of subtle

> damage resulted from this huge iatrogenic exposure? Did an entire

> generation of American males lose 5-10 IQ points and become self-

> destructive? The CDC states that 17% of American school-age children

> have a developmental disability. Is it possible that a large

> percentage of these disabilities were caused by our federally

> mandated, aggressive vaccination policy?

>

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>

> Affidavit Of Boyd E. Haley, Professor And Chair, Department Of

> Chemistry, University Of Kentucky, 13 August 2002

>

> Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines and Neurodevelopment Outcomes

>

> ...One of the conundrums of autism is the explanation of the 4:1

> ratio of boys to girls that get the disease. It has been reported

> that estrogen therapy reduces the risk of females to Alzheimer's

> disease, a clinical condition we hypothesize is exacerbated by

> mercury. We therefore decided to test the effects of both female and

> male hormones on the neurotoxicity of thimerosal. The results were

> eye-opening. For example, 50 nanomolar thimerosal causes less than

> 5% neuron death within the first three hours incubation and 1

> micromolar testosterone causes no significant death within this time

> frame. However, mix these two together and 100% neuron death was

> observed at the earliest time point checked. This represents a

> severe enhancement of thimerosal toxicity. Further, at 12 hours the

> neuron death effected by 50 nanomolar thimerosal alone could be

> reversed by 1 micromolar estrogen. Estrogen also significantly

> reduced the testosterone enhanced toxicity of thimerosal. While much

> research is yet to be done it is apparent that these results fit into

> the " thimerosal being causal " hypothesis as it may be used to explain

> the high rate of boys being affected. Interestingly, a Dr. Simon

> Baron Cohen of London has reported in a meeting that, in a study of

> the amniotic fluid of mothers who gave birth to autistic children,

> the major anomaly was an increased level of testosterone in their

> amniotic fluid when compared to that of mothers who gave birth to non-

> autistic children...

>

March 16, 2008

-- for reasons you just state, why are we not putting thimersol/vaccines under the umbrella of environmental toxins that we refuse to live with any long?????? Deidre Imus (and more) who are more all-encompassing of environmental toxins fight fame are our leaders and vaccine toxins and viruses should be just one fight among ALL of it (pesticides, cleaning supplies in schools and stores -- everywhere that we are forced to live).I recently called corporate Target to complain that the clothes that I purchsed wreaked of Febreeze and that it appeared to me that since I went back to the store and smelled this on every rack of clothes that they were fogging the store with this stuff. I told

that that 2/3 of the population is chemically sensitive and some don't even know it and that this has to stop. I asked for the names of all of the clothes manufacturers that they deal with. She said she has NEVER had a complaint like this before. I say -- let's all call corporate and start at this level. Just because you don't have a runny nose from smelling their clothes, does not mean the inflammatory damage is not being done to you internally (learned that from a DAN conference).Let's all start complaining. There are 2,000 some people on this listserve. We could do some damage in this area. Every week, someone pick and issue of toxicity and let's get to work. Re: Rant

Something that I haven't heard much discussion of, but have often wondered: For those

kids who don't have obvious vaccine injuries as many of ours do, what consequences will

they face due to their high levels of mercury exposure health-wise down the road?

Will we see cancer at a young age? MS? Other demyelinating diseases? Parkinson's? A rash

of "mental illnesses"? In my opinion, NO ONE can be be exposed to such high levels of

toxins (excreters or not) and come out unscathed without radical health intervention.

As hard as it is for our kids, I am also very concerned for the other children born in these

last 15 years, and the long- term implications for what has been done to them. And I don't