Phentermine

[Guest guest]

????

IMO PCOS is very easy to treat. Get enough T3 thyroid meds, progesterone

cream, and I think you will need cortef for adrenals.

Gracia

> There are several people who can do Atkins for life. I personally

> don't like it, but it looks like I am gonna have to do it forever

> anyway because of PCOS, so there is no choice for me.

>

>

> Jan

>

>

[Guest guest]

No wonder you are obsessed with dieting. Your cells must be starving on low

fat and no T3.

Gracia

Dr. Atkins diet system is wrong best way to diet is 40% carbs, 40% protein

20% fats

[Guest guest]

http://www.westonaprice.org for alternative view! I am an animal lover and

have raised my own meat (pigs, chickens, turkeys). You might be interested

in Broda ' discussion of diet for hypos in Hypothyroidism: the

Unsuspected Illness.

Gracia

> I would avoid the Atkins diet like the plague! I'm a vegetarian and I

can

> still get a high amount of protein......it fills me up but keeps my

> cholesterol level down naturally. Meat inherently has cholesterol. Dairy

products are

> just awful too, but cheese is my only vice.

[Guest guest]

It is not that simple - it involves metformin, progesterone, eating

probably no carb for the rest of my life (so I gotta kiss goodbye to

the only hobby I have: weight training), and probably birth control

pills too. Oh yeah, and giving up on having children - I am 29 and

don't have any, that is not the easiest thing to do. All these

diagnosis are all nice and sweet on women who have children already,

they are not taken the same way by someone in my situation.

The birth control will in turn mess up with my thyroid hormones

again, and I am already on the equivalent of 400mcg and needing more.

I might break some sort of record for " person taking the most thyroid

hormone " if I keep this up.

I am on 62.5mcg Cytomel daily, but that has nothing to do with the

PCOS. I doubt I need extra adrenal hormones, as these can stimulate

androgens - no more 7-keto for me, and certainly no Cortef. The last

thing I need is to be hungrier, fatter, and hairier. My blood tests

show more testosterone than most men, the last thing I want is more

of it. If I get fatter, I will have more insulin resistance, and even

more testosterone. Unless I decide to go for that sex change, that is

not a good idea.

Jan

>

> ????

> IMO PCOS is very easy to treat. Get enough T3 thyroid meds,

progesterone

> cream, and I think you will need cortef for adrenals.

> Gracia

>

> > There are several people who can do Atkins for life. I personally

> > don't like it, but it looks like I am gonna have to do it forever

> > anyway because of PCOS, so there is no choice for me.

> >

> >

> > Jan

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

well that is the conventional medicine approach and I really don't agree.

T3 has everything to do with PCOS, also adrenals.

Gracia

> It is not that simple - it involves metformin, progesterone, eating

> probably no carb for the rest of my life (so I gotta kiss goodbye to

> the only hobby I have: weight training), and probably birth control

> pills too. Oh yeah, and giving up on having children - I am 29 and

> don't have any, that is not the easiest thing to do. All these

> diagnosis are all nice and sweet on women who have children already,

> they are not taken the same way by someone in my situation.

>

> The birth control will in turn mess up with my thyroid hormones

> again, and I am already on the equivalent of 400mcg and needing more.

> I might break some sort of record for " person taking the most thyroid

> hormone " if I keep this up.

>

> I am on 62.5mcg Cytomel daily, but that has nothing to do with the

> PCOS. I doubt I need extra adrenal hormones, as these can stimulate

> androgens - no more 7-keto for me, and certainly no Cortef. The last

> thing I need is to be hungrier, fatter, and hairier. My blood tests

> show more testosterone than most men, the last thing I want is more

> of it. If I get fatter, I will have more insulin resistance, and even

> more testosterone. Unless I decide to go for that sex change, that is

> not a good idea.

>

>

> Jan

>

>

>

> >

> > ????

> > IMO PCOS is very easy to treat. Get enough T3 thyroid meds,

> progesterone

> > cream, and I think you will need cortef for adrenals.

> > Gracia

> >

> > > There are several people who can do Atkins for life. I personally

> > > don't like it, but it looks like I am gonna have to do it forever

> > > anyway because of PCOS, so there is no choice for me.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jan

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My adrenal tests came back normal and I am at 62.5mcg already, which

is more T3 than pretty much anyone else - even Armour, isn't it

supposed to be 3:1 T4 to T3? I am on 150mcg:62.5mcg, or 2.4:1. So

that is more T3 than anything else other than the 's Syndrome

protocol of T3 only, no T4. So it can't be a lack of T3.

I was on 25mcg at my last test and I was at the last number of the

reference range for Free T3, so I must be way above the reference

now. I've been on T3 for the most of the past 4 years, with the

exception of the first 3 months in my treatment, and 45 days this

year when I was without a prescription for it, so my levels can't

have been low enough to cause PCOS.

My ACTH stimulation and serum cortisol were normal, and so was the

DHEAS (although that was while taking it - so yeah, that is one

adrenal hormone I need). My cortisol was even in the high end of

normal, so no need for more.

Sorry for having been snippy, I am very disappointed with this

diagnosis.

Jan

> > >

> > > ????

> > > IMO PCOS is very easy to treat. Get enough T3 thyroid meds,

> > progesterone

> > > cream, and I think you will need cortef for adrenals.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > > > There are several people who can do Atkins for life. I

personally

> > > > don't like it, but it looks like I am gonna have to do it

forever

> > > > anyway because of PCOS, so there is no choice for me.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jan

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I did a bit more searching on the cortisol thing, and while Cortef is

not recommended, I found some articles that recommend taking

Prednisone, but at bedtime (probably to avoid the hunger thing). So I

am gonna restart on the Deltacortril today. I started on the

metformin.

Strictly speaking, it seems that I have a variant of PCOS called HAIR-

AN syndrome. It means I have hyperandrogenia (too much test), insulin

resistance, and acanthosis nigricans (dark patches of skin). It is

not classic PCOS cause I do get my period. It seems like every

disease I have doesn't present in the classic way - just like the

hypoT I had " normal " TSH and doctors didn't do a thing, I have had

this since my teens, although it worsened around 4 years ago when I

was morbidly obese (weight really makes this worse) but since I was

having my period, doctors again didn't do a thing.

I am also gonna keep up the 7-Keto - my DHEAS didn't show top of the

range as it had last time, but mid-range, so it is needed. And I am

gonna restart chromium piccolinate (I'd stopped it), and start CLA

and CoQ10, since they are both supposed to help as well.

Jan

> My adrenal tests came back normal and I am at 62.5mcg already,

which

> is more T3 than pretty much anyone else - even Armour, isn't it

> supposed to be 3:1 T4 to T3? I am on 150mcg:62.5mcg, or 2.4:1. So

> that is more T3 than anything else other than the 's Syndrome

> protocol of T3 only, no T4. So it can't be a lack of T3.

>

> I was on 25mcg at my last test and I was at the last number of the

> reference range for Free T3, so I must be way above the reference

> now. I've been on T3 for the most of the past 4 years, with the

> exception of the first 3 months in my treatment, and 45 days this

> year when I was without a prescription for it, so my levels can't

> have been low enough to cause PCOS.

>

> My ACTH stimulation and serum cortisol were normal, and so was the

> DHEAS (although that was while taking it - so yeah, that is one

> adrenal hormone I need). My cortisol was even in the high end of

> normal, so no need for more.

>

> Sorry for having been snippy, I am very disappointed with this

> diagnosis.

>

>

> Jan

[Guest guest]

Prednisone IS cortisol, 5mg=20mg of cortef. Cortef wouldn't be recomended

because IT CANNOT BE PATENTED!! No money to be made. Deltacortril is

probably good. Cortisol, progesterone, DHEA, and Armour would completely

fix you. High testosterone means that your adrenals are maxed out trying to

make hormones, but adrenals are only succeeding at making testosterone. If

you actually had too much testosterone you'd be a nymphomaniac.

Gracia

> I did a bit more searching on the cortisol thing, and while Cortef is

> not recommended, I found some articles that recommend taking

> Prednisone, but at bedtime (probably to avoid the hunger thing). So I

> am gonna restart on the Deltacortril today. I started on the

> metformin.

>

> Strictly speaking, it seems that I have a variant of PCOS called HAIR-

> AN syndrome. It means I have hyperandrogenia (too much test), insulin

> resistance, and acanthosis nigricans (dark patches of skin). It is

> not classic PCOS cause I do get my period. It seems like every

> disease I have doesn't present in the classic way - just like the

> hypoT I had " normal " TSH and doctors didn't do a thing, I have had

> this since my teens, although it worsened around 4 years ago when I

> was morbidly obese (weight really makes this worse) but since I was

> having my period, doctors again didn't do a thing.

>

> I am also gonna keep up the 7-Keto - my DHEAS didn't show top of the

> range as it had last time, but mid-range, so it is needed. And I am

> gonna restart chromium piccolinate (I'd stopped it), and start CLA

> and CoQ10, since they are both supposed to help as well.

>

>

>

> Jan

>

>

>

> > My adrenal tests came back normal and I am at 62.5mcg already,

> which

> > is more T3 than pretty much anyone else - even Armour, isn't it

> > supposed to be 3:1 T4 to T3? I am on 150mcg:62.5mcg, or 2.4:1. So

> > that is more T3 than anything else other than the 's Syndrome

> > protocol of T3 only, no T4. So it can't be a lack of T3.

> >

> > I was on 25mcg at my last test and I was at the last number of the

> > reference range for Free T3, so I must be way above the reference

> > now. I've been on T3 for the most of the past 4 years, with the

> > exception of the first 3 months in my treatment, and 45 days this

> > year when I was without a prescription for it, so my levels can't

> > have been low enough to cause PCOS.

> >

> > My ACTH stimulation and serum cortisol were normal, and so was the

> > DHEAS (although that was while taking it - so yeah, that is one

> > adrenal hormone I need). My cortisol was even in the high end of

> > normal, so no need for more.

> >

> > Sorry for having been snippy, I am very disappointed with this

> > diagnosis.

> >

> >

> > Jan

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My tests show a ton of testosterone, but I have zero sex drive. I am

not gonna take the Deltacortril anyway, cause it is not safe to take

while pregnant and the whole point of this is to get me to ovulate,

so I am gonna give the metformin a chance first. Then maybe

progesterone, and if it all fails, I will still prefer the cortisol

rather than the BCP. That seems like such a lame way to treat PCOS...

I can't take Armour because I'd spend my whole salary importing it,

with the exchange rate as it is. But I am doing fine thyroid wise now

that I am on a high enough dosage.

Jan

> > > My adrenal tests came back normal and I am at 62.5mcg already,

> > which

> > > is more T3 than pretty much anyone else - even Armour, isn't it

> > > supposed to be 3:1 T4 to T3? I am on 150mcg:62.5mcg, or 2.4:1.

So

> > > that is more T3 than anything else other than the 's

Syndrome

> > > protocol of T3 only, no T4. So it can't be a lack of T3.

> > >

> > > I was on 25mcg at my last test and I was at the last number of

the

> > > reference range for Free T3, so I must be way above the

reference

> > > now. I've been on T3 for the most of the past 4 years, with the

> > > exception of the first 3 months in my treatment, and 45 days

this

> > > year when I was without a prescription for it, so my levels

can't

> > > have been low enough to cause PCOS.

> > >

> > > My ACTH stimulation and serum cortisol were normal, and so was

the

> > > DHEAS (although that was while taking it - so yeah, that is one

> > > adrenal hormone I need). My cortisol was even in the high end of

> > > normal, so no need for more.

> > >

> > > Sorry for having been snippy, I am very disappointed with this

> > > diagnosis.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Have you tried DHEA??..I know that I cannot take it as it converts to

estrogen( I am dominant in that) but for you it may combat the high

testosterone with a little more estrogen.

[Guest guest]

cortef is the secret ingredient IMHO, and of course so important if you need

it and are pregnant. Look at Jefferies MD site about cortef and

pregnancy.

Gracia

> My tests show a ton of testosterone, but I have zero sex drive. I am

> not gonna take the Deltacortril anyway, cause it is not safe to take

> while pregnant and the whole point of this is to get me to ovulate,

> so I am gonna give the metformin a chance first. Then maybe

> progesterone, and if it all fails, I will still prefer the cortisol

> rather than the BCP. That seems like such a lame way to treat PCOS...

>

> I can't take Armour because I'd spend my whole salary importing it,

> with the exchange rate as it is. But I am doing fine thyroid wise now

> that I am on a high enough dosage.

>

>

> Jan

>

>

> --- In hypothyroidism , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote

[Guest guest]

But if the testosterone were coming from the adrenals, wouldn't I

have high Cortisol, high DHEA?

Jan

>

> Prednisone IS cortisol, 5mg=20mg of cortef. Cortef wouldn't be

recomended

> because IT CANNOT BE PATENTED!! No money to be made.

Deltacortril is

> probably good. Cortisol, progesterone, DHEA, and Armour would

completely

> fix you. High testosterone means that your adrenals are maxed out

trying to

> make hormones, but adrenals are only succeeding at making

testosterone. If

> you actually had too much testosterone you'd be a nymphomaniac.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

I've been taking it, but I had to switch to the 7-Keto type. My first

testosterone test was 40 days after I started regular DHEA and my

testosterone was normal - this second test was after I'd been on

regular DHEA for 80 days, and just switched to 7-Keto. I guess the

DHEA was being converted just to testosterone? Or maybe it was a

coincidence cause last time my thyroid was messed up, and now it is

not.

Jan

> Jan,

> Have you tried DHEA??..I know that I cannot take it as it converts

to

> estrogen( I am dominant in that) but for you it may combat the high

> testosterone with a little more estrogen.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am gonna look it up, cause what I found said it is unsafe for

pregnant and lactating women. Also, that you have to take it for

life, so I can't even take now and get pregnant later.

Jan

>

> cortef is the secret ingredient IMHO, and of course so important if

you need

> it and are pregnant. Look at Jefferies MD site about

cortef and

> pregnancy.

> Gracia

>

>

> > My tests show a ton of testosterone, but I have zero sex drive. I

am

> > not gonna take the Deltacortril anyway, cause it is not safe to

take

> > while pregnant and the whole point of this is to get me to

ovulate,

> > so I am gonna give the metformin a chance first. Then maybe

> > progesterone, and if it all fails, I will still prefer the

cortisol

> > rather than the BCP. That seems like such a lame way to treat

PCOS...

> >

> > I can't take Armour because I'd spend my whole salary importing

it,

> > with the exchange rate as it is. But I am doing fine thyroid wise

now

> > that I am on a high enough dosage.

> >

> >

> > Jan

> >

> >

> > --- In hypothyroidism , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote

[Guest guest]

I have no clue. I do not trust the tests, I would go with symptoms. My

tests showed " high " cortisol, except for 24 hr urine which showed low.

Cortisol was the missing link for me. Peatfield says that low DHEA

indicates need for cortisol, but you were taking DHEA. IMO taking adrenal

hormone is really no big deal, but I guess it's a hassle to take it 4X a

day.

When your levels are high that means the adrenals are stressed and sick, not

that they are too efficient. You must look at symptoms, and you've got

them.

Gracia

> But if the testosterone were coming from the adrenals, wouldn't I

> have high Cortisol, high DHEA?

>

>

> Jan

>

>

>

> >

> > Prednisone IS cortisol, 5mg=20mg of cortef. Cortef wouldn't be

> recomended

> > because IT CANNOT BE PATENTED!! No money to be made.

> Deltacortril is

> > probably good. Cortisol, progesterone, DHEA, and Armour would

> completely

> > fix you. High testosterone means that your adrenals are maxed out

> trying to

> > make hormones, but adrenals are only succeeding at making

> testosterone. If

> > you actually had too much testosterone you'd be a nymphomaniac.

> > Gracia

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The protocol for PCOS says prednisone for a reason, I guess: you are

supposed to take it before bed, or if you are still up by them, at

midnight. All the recommendations for adrenal fatigue say morning, so

I guess that is why no Cortef, not for the money reasons - after all

this is from holistic docs, traditional docs say BCP is the only

treatment. Who would wake up 4x in the middle of the night to take it?

I looked for the Jefferies site but only found links to the

book, no info. So the cortisol is safe to take during pregnancy? In

tiny dosages, like 2.5mg or 5mg (when I run out of the Deltacortril I

will have to go up to 5mg, there is no 2.5mg here - besides, the

holistic docs say 5mg to suppress adrenal hormone and lower

testosterone).

Meanwhile I decided to try to conceive anyway. Who knows? I might

luck out.

Jan

> > >

> > > Prednisone IS cortisol, 5mg=20mg of cortef. Cortef wouldn't be

> > recomended

> > > because IT CANNOT BE PATENTED!! No money to be made.

> > Deltacortril is

> > > probably good. Cortisol, progesterone, DHEA, and Armour would

> > completely

> > > fix you. High testosterone means that your adrenals are maxed

out

> > trying to

> > > make hormones, but adrenals are only succeeding at making

> > testosterone. If

> > > you actually had too much testosterone you'd be a nymphomaniac.

> > > Gracia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jan,

DHEA converts to testosterone in men and converts to estrogen in

women.So it should level out your testo levels but as we all know so

well,everyone is different and we have to make ourselves human guinea

pigs in hopes of feeling better.

[Guest guest]

I decided to go with the 7-keto anyway, my skin got a bit oilier on

the regular DHEA. 7-Keto supposedly doesn't convert to anything.

Jan

> Jan,

> DHEA converts to testosterone in men and converts to estrogen in

> women.So it should level out your testo levels but as we all know so

> well,everyone is different and we have to make ourselves human

guinea

> pigs in hopes of feeling better.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jan also meant to tell you I did look into other effects for adrenals

for you and ruled them out ---(cushings)--you have too high

testoserone is why you have the extra body hair that you have-so this

explains this problem for you. All along I have thought you had

adrenal problems--and I know you went for testing too---forgive me

now I don't remember exactly the info---but this would explain more

of your health issues --If you are afraid of prednisone because of

the side effects--than do what we did and try isocort--either way I

would not let this go. Or try that adrenalrebuilder from

adrenalfatigue.org

all of this has worked for my daugher---she had to take more pills

but it did work---tina

-- In hypothyroidism , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote:

>

> Prednisone IS cortisol, 5mg=20mg of cortef. Cortef wouldn't be

recomended

> because IT CANNOT BE PATENTED!! No money to be made.

Deltacortril is

> probably good. Cortisol, progesterone, DHEA, and Armour would

completely

> fix you. High testosterone means that your adrenals are maxed out

trying to

> make hormones, but adrenals are only succeeding at making

testosterone. If

> you actually had too much testosterone you'd be a nymphomaniac.

> Gracia

>

> > I did a bit more searching on the cortisol thing, and while

Cortef is

> > not recommended, I found some articles that recommend taking

> > Prednisone, but at bedtime (probably to avoid the hunger thing).

So I

> > am gonna restart on the Deltacortril today. I started on the

> > metformin.

> >

> > Strictly speaking, it seems that I have a variant of PCOS called

HAIR-

> > AN syndrome. It means I have hyperandrogenia (too much test),

insulin

> > resistance, and acanthosis nigricans (dark patches of skin). It is

> > not classic PCOS cause I do get my period. It seems like every

> > disease I have doesn't present in the classic way - just like the

> > hypoT I had " normal " TSH and doctors didn't do a thing, I have had

> > this since my teens, although it worsened around 4 years ago when

I

> > was morbidly obese (weight really makes this worse) but since I

was

> > having my period, doctors again didn't do a thing.

> >

> > I am also gonna keep up the 7-Keto - my DHEAS didn't show top of

the

> > range as it had last time, but mid-range, so it is needed. And I

am

> > gonna restart chromium piccolinate (I'd stopped it), and start CLA

> > and CoQ10, since they are both supposed to help as well.

> >

> >

> >

> > Jan

> >

> >

> >

> > > My adrenal tests came back normal and I am at 62.5mcg already,

> > which

> > > is more T3 than pretty much anyone else - even Armour, isn't it

> > > supposed to be 3:1 T4 to T3? I am on 150mcg:62.5mcg, or 2.4:1.

So

> > > that is more T3 than anything else other than the 's

Syndrome

> > > protocol of T3 only, no T4. So it can't be a lack of T3.

> > >

> > > I was on 25mcg at my last test and I was at the last number of

the

> > > reference range for Free T3, so I must be way above the

reference

> > > now. I've been on T3 for the most of the past 4 years, with the

> > > exception of the first 3 months in my treatment, and 45 days

this

> > > year when I was without a prescription for it, so my levels

can't

> > > have been low enough to cause PCOS.

> > >

> > > My ACTH stimulation and serum cortisol were normal, and so was

the

> > > DHEAS (although that was while taking it - so yeah, that is one

> > > adrenal hormone I need). My cortisol was even in the high end of

> > > normal, so no need for more.

> > >

> > > Sorry for having been snippy, I am very disappointed with this

> > > diagnosis.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tina, Dr. Jefferies says it is safe to take the Prednisone when

pregnant, so it should be ok. I just haven't started it yet cause I

am taking the Metformin and it has some weird side effects so I want

to settle at the perfect dosage before starting other meds.

Thanks so much for the help.

Jan

> Jan also meant to tell you I did look into other effects for

adrenals

> for you and ruled them out ---(cushings)--you have too high

> testoserone is why you have the extra body hair that you have-so

this

> explains this problem for you. All along I have thought you had

> adrenal problems--and I know you went for testing too---forgive me

> now I don't remember exactly the info---but this would explain more

> of your health issues --If you are afraid of prednisone because of

> the side effects--than do what we did and try isocort--either way I

> would not let this go. Or try that adrenalrebuilder from

> adrenalfatigue.org

>

> all of this has worked for my daugher---she had to take more pills

> but it did work---tina

[Guest guest]

What I am confused about is why not take the adrenal glandular

instead of cortef? Why not take in the natural cortisol which is the

glandular form in the adrenals just like you would for thyroid in

armour? Unless in the case of she said her adrenals are not

producing any or very little cortisol and maybe for her the cortef

works best as it does produce both natural and synthetic results.

I think you have to be very careful here with any steroid and I

would rather you try the glandular first. That is just my opinion. I

like to take things slower and one drug at a time.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectId=BF779C0C-E238-4235-

A3D4F14F4B11D954

Unless your condition is very severe (addison's) I really don't think

the general population needs a steroid for everyday use, unless it's

proven that your adrenals do not work.

The majority of adrenal insufficiency needs a small dose of cortef

(or I prefer adrenal glandular) over a 4-6 week trial period to see

if they are healing and then can come back and produce the correct

amounts you need if all goes well.

I would only take this drug as with any drug the rest of my life get

the correct tests necessary to make this diagnose. Only because you

need to know all the side effects and what the build up can do to you

as well. As with any drug there is build up, anything you put in your

body if not digested and absorbed properly as well being stored

properly can cause you problems long term.

I would do my homework and talk to many doctors as well before I put

anything into my body. I just would want to be sure especially for

pregnancy. If you can't find a doctor you can do self testing, there

are many sites here for that. The best for adrenal problems is a

salvia test, that seems to work the best.

> > Jan also meant to tell you I did look into other effects for

> adrenals

> > for you and ruled them out ---(cushings)--you have too high

> > testoserone is why you have the extra body hair that you have-so

> this

> > explains this problem for you. All along I have thought you had

> > adrenal problems--and I know you went for testing too---forgive

me

> > now I don't remember exactly the info---but this would explain

more

> > of your health issues --If you are afraid of prednisone because

of

> > the side effects--than do what we did and try isocort--either way

I

> > would not let this go. Or try that adrenalrebuilder from

> > adrenalfatigue.org

> >

> > all of this has worked for my daugher---she had to take more

pills

> > but it did work---tina

[Guest guest]

Tina,

Thanks for the help, but I've read a bit on it. Dr. Jefferies and top

holistic docs treat PCOS with cortisol or prednisone.

There are no natural adrenal glandulars available here, and there is

no saliva testing either. I can't afford to send my saliva to the US,

I live in a very different economic reality. I make US$500 a month.

Tests that cost " just " $150 plus $50 for courier service would be

more than my rent.

My blood tests show low cortisol. Normal, but on the low side. Since

all experts agree that the blood tests is not very sensitive -

Gracia's was normal, while the saliva was way below normal - that

means mine is low. Also, the idea with the steroid is to give the

adrenals a rest, so they also take a rest from making so much

testosterone. The testosterone feels awful, Tina - I have hot flashes

and night sweats just like a menopausal woman. Regardless of the

pregnancy thing, I need it to go away. Also, a mother with stressed

adrenals uses the baby's adrenals glands to get by during pregnancy.

I could make my child be born with adrenal fatigue already (and I do

have it, DHEA and cortisol are both low). Considering I am 100% sure

that my child will have the autoimmune gene (my husband is Type I

diabetic), I don't wanna set him or her up for autoimmune activity

from birth.

2.5mg Prednisone is 1/4 of what the adrenal glands make a day. I am

in no way shutting down their activity, they are still gonna work to

make the other 3/4. I am in the bottom quartile for cortisol, so

there is no way that will be too much. I've been doing my homework. I

also seriously doubt my adrenals can rebuild themselves at this

point - I've had tons of adrenal symptoms for at least 16 years. My

mom has all those symptoms since before she had me - as far as I

know, I might have it from birth. Maybe if I had been put on it

temporarily 16 years ago, they might have rebuilt themselves.

Jan

> What I am confused about is why not take the adrenal glandular

> instead of cortef? Why not take in the natural cortisol which is

the

> glandular form in the adrenals just like you would for thyroid in

> armour? Unless in the case of she said her adrenals are not

> producing any or very little cortisol and maybe for her the cortef

> works best as it does produce both natural and synthetic results.

>

> I think you have to be very careful here with any steroid and I

> would rather you try the glandular first. That is just my opinion.

I

> like to take things slower and one drug at a time.

>

> http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectId=BF779C0C-E238-4235-

> A3D4F14F4B11D954

>

> Unless your condition is very severe (addison's) I really don't

think

> the general population needs a steroid for everyday use, unless

it's

> proven that your adrenals do not work.

>

> The majority of adrenal insufficiency needs a small dose of cortef

> (or I prefer adrenal glandular) over a 4-6 week trial period to see

> if they are healing and then can come back and produce the correct

> amounts you need if all goes well.

>

> I would only take this drug as with any drug the rest of my life

get

> the correct tests necessary to make this diagnose. Only because you

> need to know all the side effects and what the build up can do to

you

> as well. As with any drug there is build up, anything you put in

your

> body if not digested and absorbed properly as well being stored

> properly can cause you problems long term.

>

> I would do my homework and talk to many doctors as well before I

put

> anything into my body. I just would want to be sure especially for

> pregnancy. If you can't find a doctor you can do self testing,

there

> are many sites here for that. The best for adrenal problems is a

> salvia test, that seems to work the best.

>

[Guest guest]

You have done your homework and you know what you need to do. All of

this info has to be posted if not for you than for someone else who

does not understand. All this does is further someone's search.

And it's very true dosing for one person is not the same for another

going by their size and weight besides how low they are and how much

damage is done.

Most of this is trial and error even with the test results. But we

all need to post the what if's. You just never know who will use the

info wrong.

I think it would be great for you to finally feel better--both you

and Shelia have long term complicated, mulitple illness related most

likely from being under treated over the years.

And you are right months of steriods could have impaired your

adrenals--if you have to supplement them now to be normal so be it.

As in so many articles posted on adrenal and thyroid problems it's

better to keep on trying as long as you know what side effects to

look for in case of overdose.

We have to be our own keepers!!! no one else will do it for us---take

care !!! tina

-- In hypothyroidism , " janjv1311 " <janaina@v...>

wrote:

> Tina,

>

> Thanks for the help, but I've read a bit on it. Dr. Jefferies and

top

> holistic docs treat PCOS with cortisol or prednisone.

>

> There are no natural adrenal glandulars available here, and there

is

> no saliva testing either. I can't afford to send my saliva to the

US,

> I live in a very different economic reality. I make US$500 a month.

> Tests that cost " just " $150 plus $50 for courier service would be

> more than my rent.

>

> My blood tests show low cortisol. Normal, but on the low side.

Since

> all experts agree that the blood tests is not very sensitive -

> Gracia's was normal, while the saliva was way below normal - that

> means mine is low. Also, the idea with the steroid is to give the

> adrenals a rest, so they also take a rest from making so much

> testosterone. The testosterone feels awful, Tina - I have hot

flashes

> and night sweats just like a menopausal woman. Regardless of the

> pregnancy thing, I need it to go away. Also, a mother with stressed

> adrenals uses the baby's adrenals glands to get by during

pregnancy.

> I could make my child be born with adrenal fatigue already (and I

do

> have it, DHEA and cortisol are both low). Considering I am 100%

sure

> that my child will have the autoimmune gene (my husband is Type I

> diabetic), I don't wanna set him or her up for autoimmune activity

> from birth.

>

> 2.5mg Prednisone is 1/4 of what the adrenal glands make a day. I am

> in no way shutting down their activity, they are still gonna work

to

> make the other 3/4. I am in the bottom quartile for cortisol, so

> there is no way that will be too much. I've been doing my homework.

I

> also seriously doubt my adrenals can rebuild themselves at this

> point - I've had tons of adrenal symptoms for at least 16 years. My

> mom has all those symptoms since before she had me - as far as I

> know, I might have it from birth. Maybe if I had been put on it

> temporarily 16 years ago, they might have rebuilt themselves.

>

>

> Jan

>

>

>

> > What I am confused about is why not take the adrenal glandular

> > instead of cortef? Why not take in the natural cortisol which is

> the

> > glandular form in the adrenals just like you would for thyroid in

> > armour? Unless in the case of she said her adrenals are

not

> > producing any or very little cortisol and maybe for her the

cortef

> > works best as it does produce both natural and synthetic results.

> >

> > I think you have to be very careful here with any steroid and I

> > would rather you try the glandular first. That is just my

opinion.

> I

> > like to take things slower and one drug at a time.

> >

> > http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectId=BF779C0C-E238-4235-

> > A3D4F14F4B11D954

> >

> > Unless your condition is very severe (addison's) I really don't

> think

> > the general population needs a steroid for everyday use, unless

> it's

> > proven that your adrenals do not work.

> >

> > The majority of adrenal insufficiency needs a small dose of

cortef

> > (or I prefer adrenal glandular) over a 4-6 week trial period to

see

> > if they are healing and then can come back and produce the

correct

> > amounts you need if all goes well.

> >

> > I would only take this drug as with any drug the rest of my life

> get

> > the correct tests necessary to make this diagnose. Only because

you

> > need to know all the side effects and what the build up can do to

> you

> > as well. As with any drug there is build up, anything you put in

> your

> > body if not digested and absorbed properly as well being stored

> > properly can cause you problems long term.

> >

> > I would do my homework and talk to many doctors as well before I

> put

> > anything into my body. I just would want to be sure especially

for

> > pregnancy. If you can't find a doctor you can do self testing,

> there

> > are many sites here for that. The best for adrenal problems is a

> > salvia test, that seems to work the best.

> >

[Guest guest]

We use it only when Meridia is contraindicated (usually due to anti-

depressants). Since it's not FDA approved for more than 3 months of

continuous use, patients have to come off it for at least a month if

they plan to take it long-term. It's most common side effects are

potential elevation in blood pressure and pulse, dry mouth, insomnia,

and constipation. Also, rebound weight gain is common once the

medication is d/c'd.

>

> Does anyone have experience with phentermine? Does anyone's surgeon

> prescribe it for pre-surgical weight loss? I would appreciate any

> information anyone can share.

>

> Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

We do not prescribe it, but have had pts using it as prescribed by their

pcp. Our main concern is that they stop it two weeks before surgery,

per our team of anesthesiologists, to avoid any

interactions/complications with surgery/anesthesia.

Simler

ValleyCare Health System

>>> mannfrd@... 09/22/06 10:11 AM >>>

Does anyone have experience with phentermine? Does anyone's surgeon

prescribe it for pre-surgical weight loss? I would appreciate any

information anyone can share.

Thanks.