Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Becki - That's soo funny! It's nice to know that our kids can do " normal " things like trash their rooms! LOL! Alia and Caroline, age 2, pauci and uveitis > Hi Alia, > Glad to hear Caroline is feeling better even if she is cranky.s mad and > just trashed his room.Not allowed to come out until it's picked up.We may > never see him again,lol. > Hugs > Becki and 5 systemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Becki - you are killing me this is soo funny! It reminds me of when I was little! I have 8 kids in my family and we all got locked in our rooms plenty of times (good thing we all had our own otherwise I may not still be here today! hehe) Alia and Caroline, age 2, pauci and uveitis > Hi Helen, > I like Alias idea. better straighten up or he will be on the corner with > a free sighn.He is driving me crazy with his attitude. > Hugs > Becki and ,still missing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 In a message dated 3/22/04 9:27:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Arthurnator@... writes: << He will also just start crying over the smallest of things.I thnk it's all th >> Hi Becki: I am beginning to think a lot of Caitlin's sadness was from the Prednisone even at a small dose (2mg) perhaps other meds too. How exciting for him to be in the paper WHOHOO. Bet you bought a lot of copies for friends and family. Would love to see it online if possible:) Was the morning hive free? I hope so. Take care. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 In a message dated 3/23/04 12:42:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, hburger64@... writes: << I think we are done with the PM pred dose ))))) Nick has not had it for 2 nights now and no sign of any problems.. so YEAHHHHHH!!! Just have to deal with the 5mg in the AM now. >> WHOHOO great news Helen. Good luck with the 5mg dose. Did you sign Nick up for baseball? Take care. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 -Becki.. I think we are done with the PM pred dose ))))) Nick has not had it for 2 nights now and no sign of any problems.. so YEAHHHHHH!!! Just have to deal with the 5mg in the AM now. Nick even wanted to be signed up for baseball last night )) My hubby is going to be the head coach for his team so im happy about that. I dont have to start explaining about Nick to someone else. HUgs Helen and (6,systemic) -- In , Arthurnator@w... wrote: > Hi Helen, > I would swear is on high doses of pred.He is so mouthy one minuite and > sooo sweet the next.He will also just start crying over the smallest of > things.I thnk it's all the attention since I got recruited for our arthritis walk.He > goes to the meetings(attention).He went to the team captain luncheon,pictures > and attention galore,we had photagraphers from the paper come,he claims " he > is a star " .Sat the article and picture came out(full paige).Even though he is > just a kindergartener he has been at Nothfield Elementary since 3 so anyone > that knows him and seen the article said something to him today.One little kid > said it wasn't fair that he was in the paper and replied it wasn't fair > that he has to take shots.Oh how they get wise beyond their years.I swear when > we go to Cincy I am just going to leave him there.On a serious note I think he > is just acting out and has something to prove.Once the walk is over he will > calm down,I hope.His knees are getting hard and calloused from slideing on the > floor like Tom Cruise and Travolta.He is going to be the death of me yet. > I read that Nick did fine after missing his 1/2mg pred.If all goes well I > agree it's time to try and discontinue it.Our rheumies always hated PM doses and > the sooner you can get rid of it the better. > Wish luck.He had his last dose of Benadryl last Thursday (Enbrel) and > tonight was another shot of Enbrel.We shall see if the morning proves to be hive > free.It's been close to an hour and he still alive,so I don't think > anaphalactic shock is a concern.It still scares me thinking about Nick and his allergic > reaction to the Penicillin.Sorry to have gotten so long and rambly. > Love and Hugs > Becki and 5 systemic(even sweeter while asleep) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Hi Patty, Yep, was hive free.Our public relations chair will be e-mailing me the article in a couple days.As soon as I get it I will post. Hugs Becki and 5 systemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hi Patty, I am dreadfully behind in my email - and I am not even going in order at this point - just tryint to pick up the ones that I may be able to add something or who knows. I hope that getting away from the steriods clears up Caitlin's sadness. I feel so bad for her. Yes, I was surprised at the symptoms Robbie would have - but they were so consistent with the small drops we were making that I did feel it was the steriods. It wasn't as long lasting - or quite as manic as when the dose was high - the he would switch from one mood to the other like you were turning on a lightswitch - and then back again. I am hoping that it is indeed reactive - what joyful news that would be! I will catch up eventually, and I am sure that you have probably already sent updates - but I wanted you to know that I am thinking about you guys and I hope tht Caitlin is feeling better! Val Rob's Mom (6,systemic) In a message dated 3/16/2004 6:21:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Emeraldsx3 writes: > > > In a message dated 3/16/04 11:11:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > carneyval@... writes: > > << Many of Robbie's mood swings occurred as we tapered, and were some when > the dose got real small - so that may be contributing to the problem. However, > a 2mg drop when that is all the body is getting is more significant that a > 2mg drop from 10 mg. You have to take into account that you are making a 100% > drop in medication instead of a larger percentage drop. Big difference for the > body. You said she is already off the MTX? Is she taking anything else for > her JRA? With Robbie, we dropped from 2 mg to 1.5mg, (or it may have been 1.5 > to 1, I don't remember a >> > Hi Val: > > It's interesting to hear that a child has had a mood swing at a low dose. > This gives me hope that this could be the culprit in Caitlin's sadness. When my > husband mixed up on doses the last time (gave her to little of the Pred.), > she had a horrible rash that night. I am waiting for this night to be done so I > can see what happens since this is the first day with no Pred. on board. > Yes, she went off the MTX two Fridays ago (due to hair loss and possible > headaches and tummy ache). No, he hasn't called in anything to replace it. At last > check, he wanted to have her off Prednisone by end of March and off MTX by her > birthday (May 14). So things are moving a little faster. If it is, in fact, > reactive arthritis, the worst may be behind her and she may not need the > arthritic meds. Time will tell. Of course, we all know, > the waiting stinks. > > Take care. > Patty > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hi Helen, I was so excited to read about how well your little guy Nick is doing. So happy to hear that he's feeling so well that he's even planning on playing baseball! This subject, Prednisone, sometimes makes me a little bit anxious, especially hearing about the struggles many of our children with systemic JRA have faced when attempting to taper their doses. Moreso, of course, before we had the availablity of the biologic drugs. It brings back some very emotional memories of our earliest years, as Josh has had such difficulty with thist aspect of his arthritis treatment. In the very beginning we thought Prednisone would be just a temporary measure lasting a few weeks or months. I was so grateful that we finally found something that was effective, something that helped reduce much of his inflammation and pain, something that got him moving again, that I was more than willing to use it on a daily basis, despite warnings I'd heard about the potential for complications from long-term use. I never expected that Josh would fall into that category of kids who became steroid dependent, hoping instead for a quick-fix while we waited patiently for one of his DMARDs to kick in. As weeks and months dragged on into years, it was obvious that we'd had a change in plans. Eventually, though, he's made great strides. That's what counts most. At our next visit, I won't be surprised if we get the okay to finally discontinue it. Sort of anti-climactic now, after nearly nine years, but still a very welcomed event. I'm so happy that the Methotrexate is working so well for . So proud of him, too, that he's so brave about his injections! Josh was astounded! We loved the pictures. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that these next labs look really good and that the AM taper will go smoothly. Be patient, though. Okay? Don't rush it. You'll both be in my thoughts. Aloha, Georgina hburger64 wrote: > -Becki.. > > I think we are done with the PM pred dose ))))) Nick has not had it > for 2 nights now and no sign of any problems.. so YEAHHHHHH!!! Just > have to deal with the 5mg in the AM now. > > Nick even wanted to be signed up for baseball last night )) My > hubby is going to be the head coach for his team so im happy about > that. I dont have to start explaining about Nick to someone else. > > HUgs Helen and (6,systemic) > > -- In , Arthurnator@w... wrote: > >>Hi Helen, >>I would swear is on high doses of pred.He is so mouthy one > > minuite and > >>sooo sweet the next.He will also just start crying over the > > smallest of > >>things.I thnk it's all the attention since I got recruited for our > > arthritis walk.He > >>goes to the meetings(attention).He went to the team captain > > luncheon,pictures > >>and attention galore,we had photagraphers from the paper come,he > > claims " he > >>is a star " .Sat the article and picture came out(full paige).Even > > though he is > >>just a kindergartener he has been at Nothfield Elementary since 3 > > so anyone > >>that knows him and seen the article said something to him today.One > > little kid > >>said it wasn't fair that he was in the paper and replied it > > wasn't fair > >>that he has to take shots.Oh how they get wise beyond their years.I > > swear when > >>we go to Cincy I am just going to leave him there.On a serious note > > I think he > >>is just acting out and has something to prove.Once the walk is over > > he will > >>calm down,I hope.His knees are getting hard and calloused from > > slideing on the > >>floor like Tom Cruise and Travolta.He is going to be the death > > of me yet. > >>I read that Nick did fine after missing his 1/2mg pred.If all goes > > well I > >>agree it's time to try and discontinue it.Our rheumies always hated > > PM doses and > >>the sooner you can get rid of it the better. >>Wish luck.He had his last dose of Benadryl last Thursday > > (Enbrel) and > >>tonight was another shot of Enbrel.We shall see if the morning > > proves to be hive > >>free.It's been close to an hour and he still alive,so I don't think >>anaphalactic shock is a concern.It still scares me thinking about > > Nick and his allergic > >>reaction to the Penicillin.Sorry to have gotten so long and rambly. >>Love and Hugs >>Becki and 5 systemic(even sweeter while asleep) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Hi Christy, I am so sorry to hear that Abbie is having breakthrough pain before Remicade infusions.I just learned yesterday that Remicade is a much more powerful TNF then Enbrel.Has there been any mention of shortening the time between infusions? I don't even know if thats possible.I have been keeping tabs on MRA but it's not expected to hit the European market until late 2006.Interluken 6 is supposed to be the main bad guy with systemic disease and even though the studies with SoJRA kids was small,it was a mirical drug. We will pray for things to turn around. Hugs Becki and 5 systemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 HI Becki, I too, have to laugh. The funny thing is we've never had to do it with the other kids. They were totally mortified for , and it is the absolute worst punishment. lol Abbie is doing well, hating the diet restrictions brought on by the bout with kidney stones, and feeling a little sorry for herself. I guess she's entitled once in a while. She still has increasing breakthrough pain and swelling with the Remicaide. . . have to wonder how long she will be able to take it. Hope all is well with your family. Christy (Abbie, 14 systemic) Re: Prednisone Hi Christy, I can't help but giggle.Nothing has mortified and his sister Shelby more then having the bedroom door removed.Shelby is a very unemotional child,rarely ever cries but when those hinge pins start getting hammered out,open up the flood gates. Haven't heard from you in a long time.How is Abbie?I hope all is well. Hugs Becki and 5 systemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Every time I hear or see the word Prednisone I crenge. When i was 10 (15 yrs ago) they perscribed 80mg to me because i had a severe eye problem and it was the only thing that worked. This was before they knew that it depleated bone tissue. They could figure out while i was not growing (i was a kid) and they begain to do bone scans to help find out what was wrong with me. I was part of a small group in Greater Cincinnati who had to constantly do bone scans for medical research even after i was off of the medicine. I had my last bone scan at age 14. I now have DDD, Spinal Stenosis along with many other problems with my thyroid and major depression. Every doctor that i go to tell me that the reasons why i have so many health problems was because my long exposure to steriods. So to answer your question, there are other side effects --Highly emotional --obviously water retention --Achy joints (like u need more of that) --Severe headaches --Hot/cold flashes Those are the ones that i am most familiar with. I would suggest you regularly see your family doctor to get blood taken to make sure there isn't anything funny going on. Also, go on a low sodium diet. It will help the water retiention some. Take Calcium (if you don't already) Those are my suggestions... Hugs_a_lot Meghan 25/Cincinnati Oh > Hi... I am new to this group and have a question... have chronic pain from > severe arthritis, > & spinal stenosis... if i take 15-20 mg of prednisone ea day... > the pain is so much less and i can function, doing some household chores... > i am wondering if anyone here takes steroids to help you through the day and > do you think it is worth the side effects... retaining fluid, hungry all the > time, and somewhat shaky.... plus the damage to the bones. I am 64 and i > am thinking that it might be worth it, to live life a little more fully and > suffer the side effects.... Would love opinions.. > Hugs, Ida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 At 10:35 AM 9/24/2004, you wrote: >My 2 1/2 yr. old ASD son was just diagnosed with reactive breathing >disease (in addition to an ear-infection) and they want to treat it w/ >prednisone. Prednisone is a steroid that does have side effects (we give it to our dog for his allergies). It causes weight gain and stresses the liver, liver tests should be performed every 6 months to 1 year depending on the dosage to make sure the liver is not being harmed. I wouldn't worry if they plan to use it for short term, but if the plan was long term I'd be asking a lot of ?'s - we waited about 2 years before putting out dog on it long term because of the side effects and he actually does fine only taking it every other day instead of every day. Little boys and dogs are obviously different and my knowledge is only of the canine version but our dog is 90 pounds so his medication schedules are almost identical to mine (he & I have been on the same allergy meds before and I think it's kind of funny :-) >Can anyone tell me if this is safe? He is GFCF 7 mos. I'm also concerned >with giving him amoxicillian. I thought maybe Zithromax would be better to >treat the ear infection. Zithromax can be easier to take simply because the dosing is 5 days instead of 10. Zithromax has red food coloring which may or may not be an issue for you (I think amoxicillian does too), it is an erthromyacin (sp?) drug which is usually good unless you are allergic to it like I am... The last time my boys needed antibiotics for the ears we used OmniCef and it worked great - it's also the only antibiotic I can get my boys to take willingly w/o wrestling them to the ground, it's strawberry flavor but is white in color w/o any food coloring - I don't think it has any generic yet so it's fairly expensive but worth it for our family.... > As far as probiotics, he's on Pro-Bio Gold now and I will add Flora Stor > with the antibiotics. Does anyone have any advice? My son has never had a > yeast issue before - should I be on the lookout for anything while he's > on these two new meds? I don't know about prednisone contributing to yeast but any antibiotic will - the probiotics should help prevent that though if I understand it correctly... - near LAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Thanks so much for that fast reply+ACE- Good to know that about prednisone - I think I should be ok since he should only be on it for a short while. If it turns out that he needs something long term, I'll ask my DAN dr. what he recommends. Also good info about OmniCef - I'll have to remember that for next time. Hopefully everything will remain in check w/ the probiotics+ACE- Thanks again Maribeth Re: +AFs-enzymes+AF0- prednisone At 10:35 AM 9/24/2004, you wrote: +AD4-My 2 1/2 yr. old ASD son was just diagnosed with reactive breathing +AD4-disease (in addition to an ear-infection) and they want to treat it w/ +AD4-prednisone. Prednisone is a steroid that does have side effects (we give it to our dog for his allergies). It causes weight gain and stresses the liver, liver tests should be performed every 6 months to 1 year depending on the dosage to make sure the liver is not being harmed. I wouldn't worry if they plan to use it for short term, but if the plan was long term I'd be asking a lot of ?'s - we waited about 2 years before putting out dog on it long term because of the side effects and he actually does fine only taking it every other day instead of every day. Little boys and dogs are obviously different and my knowledge is only of the canine version but our dog is 90 pounds so his medication schedules are almost identical to mine (he +ACY- I have been on the same allergy meds before and I think it's kind of funny :-) +AD4-Can anyone tell me if this is safe? He is GFCF 7 mos. I'm also concerned +AD4-with giving him amoxicillian. I thought maybe Zithromax would be better to +AD4-treat the ear infection. Zithromax can be easier to take simply because the dosing is 5 days instead of 10. Zithromax has red food coloring which may or may not be an issue for you (I think amoxicillian does too), it is an erthromyacin (sp?) drug which is usually good unless you are allergic to it like I am... The last time my boys needed antibiotics for the ears we used OmniCef and it worked great - it's also the only antibiotic I can get my boys to take willingly w/o wrestling them to the ground, it's strawberry flavor but is white in color w/o any food coloring - I don't think it has any generic yet so it's fairly expensive but worth it for our family.... +AD4- As far as probiotics, he's on Pro-Bio Gold now and I will add Flora Stor +AD4- with the antibiotics. Does anyone have any advice? My son has never had a +AD4- yeast issue before - should I be on the lookout for anything while he's +AD4- on these two new meds? I don't know about prednisone contributing to yeast but any antibiotic will - the probiotics should help prevent that though if I understand it correctly... - near LAX +AFs-Non-text portions of this message have been removed+AF0- +ACE- Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +ACE- Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: / b.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 > My 2 1/2 yr. old ASD son was just diagnosed with reactive breathing disease (in addition to an ear-infection) and they want to treat it w/ prednisone. Can anyone tell me if this is safe? He is GFCF 7 mos. I'm also concerned with giving him amoxicillian. I thought maybe Zithromax would be better to treat the ear infection. As far as probiotics, he's on Pro-Bio Gold now and I will add Flora Stor with the antibiotics. Does anyone have any advice? My son has never had a yeast issue before - should I be on the lookout for anything while he's on these two new meds? Thanks in advance. > > Maribeth Maribeth, My son was practically psychotic on prednisone. I wouldn't give it unless it was a life-threatening situation. As for the ear infection, you can consider treating it naturally (garlic-mullein drops, hot water bottle) which works great here. You can also ask the doctor to specify no food dye in the amoxy if you decide to go that route. I had to take my son to the ER many times because of reactive airway disease, starting when he was your son's age. Eventually we got the nebulizer and treated him at home. In our experience, the drugs from the ped (flovent, singulair) caused major problems. We used albuterol when we had to, but dropped the rest of them. I finally linked up his bad breathing episodes with yeast die-off -- when I treated for yeast too aggressively, he would end up on the neb for a day or so. Happy to report that once I got him on enzymes and started treating stuff naturally, the RAD pretty much disappeared. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Maribeth- My son was dx'd w/asthma at 18 mos. of age and we spent about a year-and-a-half on and off prednisone. We were on albuterol too...four times a day at his worst times. And Flovent...no wonder my son was wild! None of it helped anyway. We put our son on a GFCF diet at age three and were able to stop the meds almost immediately. He's had two asthma attacks since then (he's now six years old). Allergy testing revealed that he had a considerable allergy to milk (along with a lot of other things). It never clicked with any of the doctors though because his reaction time was so delayed. They all thought he was just intolerant of milk. I don't know if this will help you, but I thought I'd tell you about the allergy anyway. Good luck! Lori Getz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 There's a condition called adrenal fatigue where the adrenal glands kind of burn themselves out. The adrenal glands make several major hormones, including: adrenaline, cortisol (the two stress hormones) and yes, some testosterone. Supplementing prednisone (a cortisol replacement) can give the glands a rest and let them heal and go back to producing their normal levels. Also worth considering is that hypoandrenal, hypothyroid, and hypogonadism all share so many symptoms it could be any of the three that are that are the real culprit in your condition. There's been quite a bit of discussion about adrenal fatigue in the Usenet group alt.support.thyroid over the years - a Google search on that group, and keywords adrenal and skipperbeers (the guy who seems to be the " expert " on the topic, should reveal plenty of reading material on the subject. > Prednisone > > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two > week course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been > acting up since I developed a lower respiratory infection a > couple of months ago. > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I > was tested with borderline low T a while back but have been > on the fence about weather my symptoms are severe enough to > warrant treating it directly. My energy and mood and some > other things have been off but not to point where its > having a major impact on my day to day life and function. > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real > measurable positive increase in my energy level and an > improvement in mood and drive I had not expected. Not > excessively but rather I'd describe the way I feel now as > being what I used to feel was my normal healthy level. While > I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in these areas > over the last several years it was hard to subjectively > measure how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. > I haven't been feeling sick but right now feel like my > general feeling of wellness is better than its been in several years. > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need > reality check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the > testosterone behaves similarly in the body to the way a > steroid like prednisone does. If that's is the case I wonder > if my T level might just be the main culprit in my lower > functioning an general feeling of wellness. I was unsure if > my T level was causing a problem for me because I never had > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here > have had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might > produce the same sort of improvements. > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of > improvements from treating your low T? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Here's a SWAG - isn't prednisone used to treat autoimmune conditions? There is a theory that an autoimmune condition can cause secondary hypogonadism. It is mentioned in the AACE clinical guidelines that are in the " files " or " links " section here. Although I'm not sure if the " damage " to the hypothalamus or pituitary is already done, how much would treating the autoimmune condition itself help low T. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Ken, Dave summed it up pretty good in his response. The Adrenals have a lot to do with our general feeling of well being. Healing the Adrenals would lead to feeling much better in general and correct the hormonal imbalances. I myself experienced an increase in Total Testosterone, which coincided with my Adrenals being in much better condition. > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two week > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been acting up > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of months > ago. > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I was > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the fence > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant treating it > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been off > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day to day > life and function. > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real measurable > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in mood and > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd describe the > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal healthy > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in these > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively measure > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't been > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of wellness > is better than its been in several years. > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need reality > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone behaves > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone does. If > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the main > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of wellness. I was > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I never had > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here have > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce the same > sort of improvements. > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of > improvements from treating your low T? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 As someone who is on Prednisone long term, let me point out a few things: 1.)Prednisone is NOT something you want to take unless abosolutely necessary. Yes, it can produce a " high " or feeling of well being and energy, but it is also addictive. 2.) Prednisone has TERRIBLE side effects. Long term use can lead to blood disorders, cataracts, diabetes, weight gain (fat), dimentia, and - get this - HYPOGONADISM! Yes, if you want to shut down your nuts, prednisone can do the trick! 3.) Prednisone is a stress hormone, not a muscle building hormone. I have an autoimmune disease called Sarcoidosis, and I have to take Prednisone every day. Trust me, you don't want to take this drug! If I didn't need it to stay alive, I wouldn't take it either... Regards, K4 > > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two week > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been acting up > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of months > > ago. > > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I was > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the > fence > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant treating it > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been off > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day to day > > life and function. > > > > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real > measurable > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in mood and > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd describe > the > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal healthy > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in these > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively > measure > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't been > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of wellness > > is better than its been in several years. > > > > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need reality > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone behaves > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone does. If > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the main > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of wellness. I > was > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I never > had > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here have > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce the > same > > sort of improvements. > > > > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of > > improvements from treating your low T? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 K4, how much do you take daily? There are those who take the stuff in physiologic doses, rather than pharmacologic doses, that seem to do well. It's like any hormone - testosterone for those who need it, in doses that replace what our body's not making is great stuff, but take mega doses and while there are benefits, there are also bad side effects. To drive home your point, people might look at photos of Jerry from a year or two ago...he ballooned up like a bloated pig on the stuff. I'm not recommending anyone take the stuff without medical advice, but I read a whole book on the subject (Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st-Century Stress Syndrome by ), and it makes good arguments for low doses (I think it's 20mg/day), if your adrenals are burning out from the constant stresses of modern living. Other comments about Cortisol - this is the adrenal hormone body builders go out of their way to avoid through diet and routines and whatever. I believe it causes you to be at risk of hemorrhaging if you have surgery, for years. I recall taking steroid cortisone for a back injury and being cautioned to tell all physicians for two years after I stopped that I had been on systemic cortisone. I'll recommend again a trip to alt.support.thyroid for some interesting reading on the topic, especially look for posts by a guy called " skipperbeers. " > Re: Prednisone > > > > As someone who is on Prednisone long term, let me point out a few > things: > > 1.)Prednisone is NOT something you want to take unless > abosolutely necessary. Yes, it can produce a " high " or > feeling of well being and energy, but it is also addictive. > > 2.) Prednisone has TERRIBLE side effects. Long term use can > lead to blood disorders, cataracts, diabetes, weight gain > (fat), dimentia, and - get this - HYPOGONADISM! Yes, if you > want to shut down your nuts, prednisone can do the trick! > > 3.) Prednisone is a stress hormone, not a muscle building hormone. > > I have an autoimmune disease called Sarcoidosis, and I have > to take Prednisone every day. Trust me, you don't want to > take this drug! If I didn't need it to stay alive, I wouldn't > take it either... > > Regards, > > K4 > > > > > > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two > week > > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been acting > up > > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of > months > > > ago. > > > > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I was > > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the > > fence > > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant treating > it > > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been > off > > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day to > day > > > life and function. > > > > > > > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had > > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real > > measurable > > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in mood > and > > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd describe > > the > > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal healthy > > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in these > > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively > > measure > > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't > been > > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of > wellness > > > is better than its been in several years. > > > > > > > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need reality > > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone behaves > > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone does. > If > > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the main > > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of wellness. I > > was > > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I never > > had > > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here > have > > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce the > > same > > > sort of improvements. > > > > > > > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed > > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of > > > improvements from treating your low T? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Let me correct myself below: It's 20mg of Cortef (5mgx4/day) or 5mg of Prednisone. > Re: Prednisone > > > > > > > > As someone who is on Prednisone long term, let me point out a few > > things: > > > > 1.)Prednisone is NOT something you want to take unless abosolutely > > necessary. Yes, it can produce a " high " or feeling of well > being and > > energy, but it is also addictive. > > > > 2.) Prednisone has TERRIBLE side effects. Long term use can lead to > > blood disorders, cataracts, diabetes, weight gain (fat), > dimentia, and > > - get this - HYPOGONADISM! Yes, if you want to shut down your nuts, > > prednisone can do the trick! > > > > 3.) Prednisone is a stress hormone, not a muscle building hormone. > > > > I have an autoimmune disease called Sarcoidosis, and I have to take > > Prednisone every day. Trust me, you don't want to take this > drug! If I > > didn't need it to stay alive, I wouldn't take it either... > > > > Regards, > > > > K4 > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two > > week > > > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been acting > > up > > > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of > > months > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I > noticed. I was > > > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the > > > fence > > > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant treating > > it > > > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been > > off > > > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day to > > day > > > > life and function. > > > > > > > > > > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had > > > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real > > > measurable > > > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in mood > > and > > > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather > I'd describe > > > the > > > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my > normal healthy > > > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline > in these > > > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively > > > measure > > > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't > > been > > > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of > > wellness > > > > is better than its been in several years. > > > > > > > > > > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I > need reality > > > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the > testosterone behaves > > > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone does. > > If > > > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be > the main > > > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of > wellness. I > > > was > > > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me > because I never > > > had > > > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here > > have > > > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce the > > > same > > > > sort of improvements. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed > > > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of > > > > improvements from treating your low T? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 If one has Adrenal problems, then one should try to correct this problem and not use cortisone as something one can use like an aspirin. In the book Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st-Century Stress Syndrome by , he prefers treating Adrenal problems using supplements and not cortisone, because of the possibility that it can cause the Adrenals to shut down permanently. This does not mean that one should not use cortisone, only that it should be used under proper supervision and as part of a comprehensive Adrenal recovery treatment regimen. I myself have been able to successfully treat my Adrenals using only supplements with great results. > > > > > > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two > > week > > > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been acting > > up > > > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of > > months > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I was > > > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the > > > fence > > > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant treating > > it > > > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been > > off > > > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day to > > day > > > > life and function. > > > > > > > > > > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had > > > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real > > > measurable > > > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in mood > > and > > > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd describe > > > the > > > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal healthy > > > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in these > > > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively > > > measure > > > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't > > been > > > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of > > wellness > > > > is better than its been in several years. > > > > > > > > > > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need reality > > > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone behaves > > > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone does. > > If > > > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the main > > > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of wellness. I > > > was > > > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I never > > > had > > > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here > > have > > > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce the > > > same > > > > sort of improvements. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed > > > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of > > > > improvements from treating your low T? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 What supplements did you use? > Re: Prednisone > > > > If one has Adrenal problems, then one should try to correct > this problem and not use cortisone as something one can use > like an aspirin. In the book Adrenal Fatigue: The > 21st-Century Stress Syndrome by , he prefers treating > Adrenal problems using supplements and not cortisone, because > of the possibility that it can cause the Adrenals to shut > down permanently. This does not mean that one should not use > cortisone, only that it should be used under proper > supervision and as part of a comprehensive Adrenal recovery > treatment regimen. I myself have been able to successfully > treat my Adrenals using only supplements with great results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two > > > week > > > > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been > acting > > > up > > > > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of > > > months > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I > was > > > > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the > > > > fence > > > > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant > treating > > > it > > > > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been > > > off > > > > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day > to > > > day > > > > > life and function. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had > > > > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real > > > > measurable > > > > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in > mood > > > and > > > > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd > describe > > > > the > > > > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal > healthy > > > > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in > these > > > > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively > > > > measure > > > > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't > > > been > > > > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of > > > wellness > > > > > is better than its been in several years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need > reality > > > > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone > behaves > > > > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone > does. > > > If > > > > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the > main > > > > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of > wellness. I > > > > was > > > > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I > never > > > > had > > > > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here > > > have > > > > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce > the > > > > same > > > > > sort of improvements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed > > > > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of > > > > > improvements from treating your low T? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 This link contains info on the supplements I have used: hypoglycemia-talk/message/5971 > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two > > > > week > > > > > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been > > acting > > > > up > > > > > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of > > > > months > > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I > > was > > > > > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the > > > > > fence > > > > > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant > > treating > > > > it > > > > > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been > > > > off > > > > > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day > > to > > > > day > > > > > > life and function. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had > > > > > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real > > > > > measurable > > > > > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in > > mood > > > > and > > > > > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd > > describe > > > > > the > > > > > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal > > healthy > > > > > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in > > these > > > > > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively > > > > > measure > > > > > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't > > > > been > > > > > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of > > > > wellness > > > > > > is better than its been in several years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need > > reality > > > > > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone > > behaves > > > > > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone > > does. > > > > If > > > > > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the > > main > > > > > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of > > wellness. I > > > > > was > > > > > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I > > never > > > > > had > > > > > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here > > > > have > > > > > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > sort of improvements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed > > > > > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of > > > > > > improvements from treating your low T? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 FSH is Follicle Stimulating Hormone and is part of the testosterone production system. TSH is Thyroid Stimulating Hormone and, perhaps obviously, is part of your Thyroid system feedback. Neither test is part of a CBC. > PREDNISONE > > > > Hello everyone havn't posted in awhile but monitor the board > everyday. I started on prednisone 8 days ago for a viral > infection.40 mgs for 10 days,30mgs for three,20 mgs for > three,10 for one and 10 every other day until better.I also > get 200mgs of injected T for hypo every 10 to 14 days.I'll > just have to see how the two drugs interact with each > other.The specalist ordered blood work and one item caught my > eye he is checking for TSH or FSH don't remember which can > you guys tell me what those are? I know they usually are on a > CBC.Anyways I'll keep you posted effects of this drug combo. > > > > Butch > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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