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Becki -

That's soo funny! It's nice to know that our kids can do " normal "

things like trash their rooms! LOL!

Alia and Caroline, age 2, pauci and uveitis

> Hi Alia,

> Glad to hear Caroline is feeling better even if she is

cranky.s mad and

> just trashed his room.Not allowed to come out until it's picked

up.We may

> never see him again,lol.

> Hugs

> Becki and 5 systemic

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Becki - you are killing me this is soo funny! It reminds me of when I

was little! I have 8 kids in my family and we all got locked in our

rooms plenty of times (good thing we all had our own otherwise I may

not still be here today! hehe)

Alia and Caroline, age 2, pauci and uveitis

> Hi Helen,

> I like Alias idea. better straighten up or he will be on the

corner with

> a free sighn.He is driving me crazy with his attitude.

> Hugs

> Becki and ,still missing

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In a message dated 3/22/04 9:27:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Arthurnator@... writes:

<< He will also just start crying over the smallest of

things.I thnk it's all th >>

Hi Becki:

I am beginning to think a lot of Caitlin's sadness was from the Prednisone

even at a small dose (2mg) perhaps other meds too.

How exciting for him to be in the paper WHOHOO. Bet you bought a lot of

copies for friends and family. Would love to see it online if possible:)

Was the morning hive free? I hope so.

Take care.

Patty

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In a message dated 3/23/04 12:42:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

hburger64@... writes:

<<

I think we are done with the PM pred dose :o))))) Nick has not had it

for 2 nights now and no sign of any problems.. so YEAHHHHHH!!! Just

have to deal with the 5mg in the AM now. >>

WHOHOO great news Helen. Good luck with the 5mg dose. Did you sign Nick up

for baseball?

Take care.

Patty

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-Becki..

I think we are done with the PM pred dose :o))))) Nick has not had it

for 2 nights now and no sign of any problems.. so YEAHHHHHH!!! Just

have to deal with the 5mg in the AM now.

Nick even wanted to be signed up for baseball last night :o)) My

hubby is going to be the head coach for his team so im happy about

that. I dont have to start explaining about Nick to someone else.

HUgs Helen and (6,systemic)

-- In , Arthurnator@w... wrote:

> Hi Helen,

> I would swear is on high doses of pred.He is so mouthy one

minuite and

> sooo sweet the next.He will also just start crying over the

smallest of

> things.I thnk it's all the attention since I got recruited for our

arthritis walk.He

> goes to the meetings(attention).He went to the team captain

luncheon,pictures

> and attention galore,we had photagraphers from the paper come,he

claims " he

> is a star " .Sat the article and picture came out(full paige).Even

though he is

> just a kindergartener he has been at Nothfield Elementary since 3

so anyone

> that knows him and seen the article said something to him today.One

little kid

> said it wasn't fair that he was in the paper and replied it

wasn't fair

> that he has to take shots.Oh how they get wise beyond their years.I

swear when

> we go to Cincy I am just going to leave him there.On a serious note

I think he

> is just acting out and has something to prove.Once the walk is over

he will

> calm down,I hope.His knees are getting hard and calloused from

slideing on the

> floor like Tom Cruise and Travolta.He is going to be the death

of me yet.

> I read that Nick did fine after missing his 1/2mg pred.If all goes

well I

> agree it's time to try and discontinue it.Our rheumies always hated

PM doses and

> the sooner you can get rid of it the better.

> Wish luck.He had his last dose of Benadryl last Thursday

(Enbrel) and

> tonight was another shot of Enbrel.We shall see if the morning

proves to be hive

> free.It's been close to an hour and he still alive,so I don't think

> anaphalactic shock is a concern.It still scares me thinking about

Nick and his allergic

> reaction to the Penicillin.Sorry to have gotten so long and rambly.

> Love and Hugs

> Becki and 5 systemic(even sweeter while asleep)

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Hi Patty,

Yep, was hive free.Our public relations chair will be e-mailing me the article in a couple days.As soon as I get it I will post.

Hugs

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Hi Patty,

I am dreadfully behind in my email - and I am not even going in order at this

point - just tryint to pick up the ones that I may be able to add something or

who knows. I hope that getting away from the steriods clears up Caitlin's

sadness. I feel so bad for her. Yes, I was surprised at the symptoms Robbie

would have - but they were so consistent with the small drops we were making

that I did feel it was the steriods. It wasn't as long lasting - or quite as

manic as when the dose was high - the he would switch from one mood to the other

like you were turning on a lightswitch - and then back again.

I am hoping that it is indeed reactive - what joyful news that would be! I will

catch up eventually, and I am sure that you have probably already sent updates -

but I wanted you to know that I am thinking about you guys and I hope tht

Caitlin is feeling better!

Val

Rob's Mom (6,systemic)

In a message dated 3/16/2004 6:21:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Emeraldsx3

writes:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/16/04 11:11:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> carneyval@... writes:

>

> << Many of Robbie's mood swings occurred as we tapered, and were some when

> the dose got real small - so that may be contributing to the problem.

However,

> a 2mg drop when that is all the body is getting is more significant that a

> 2mg drop from 10 mg. You have to take into account that you are making a 100%

> drop in medication instead of a larger percentage drop. Big difference for

the

> body. You said she is already off the MTX? Is she taking anything else for

> her JRA? With Robbie, we dropped from 2 mg to 1.5mg, (or it may have been 1.5

> to 1, I don't remember a >>

> Hi Val:

>

> It's interesting to hear that a child has had a mood swing at a low dose.

> This gives me hope that this could be the culprit in Caitlin's sadness. When

my

> husband mixed up on doses the last time (gave her to little of the Pred.),

> she had a horrible rash that night. I am waiting for this night to be done so

I

> can see what happens since this is the first day with no Pred. on board.

> Yes, she went off the MTX two Fridays ago (due to hair loss and possible

> headaches and tummy ache). No, he hasn't called in anything to replace it.

At last

> check, he wanted to have her off Prednisone by end of March and off MTX by her

> birthday (May 14). So things are moving a little faster. If it is, in fact,

> reactive arthritis, the worst may be behind her and she may not need the

> arthritic meds. Time will tell. Of course, we all know,

> the waiting stinks.

>

> Take care.

> Patty

>

>

>

>

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Hi Helen,

I was so excited to read about how well your little guy Nick is doing.

So happy to hear that he's feeling so well that he's even planning on

playing baseball! This subject, Prednisone, sometimes makes me a little

bit anxious, especially hearing about the struggles many of our children

with systemic JRA have faced when attempting to taper their doses.

Moreso, of course, before we had the availablity of the biologic drugs.

It brings back some very emotional memories of our earliest years, as

Josh has had such difficulty with thist aspect of his arthritis treatment.

In the very beginning we thought Prednisone would be just a temporary

measure lasting a few weeks or months. I was so grateful that we finally

found something that was effective, something that helped reduce much of

his inflammation and pain, something that got him moving again, that I

was more than willing to use it on a daily basis, despite warnings I'd

heard about the potential for complications from long-term use. I never

expected that Josh would fall into that category of kids who became

steroid dependent, hoping instead for a quick-fix while we waited

patiently for one of his DMARDs to kick in. As weeks and months dragged

on into years, it was obvious that we'd had a change in plans.

Eventually, though, he's made great strides. That's what counts most. At

our next visit, I won't be surprised if we get the okay to finally

discontinue it. Sort of anti-climactic now, after nearly nine years, but

still a very welcomed event.

I'm so happy that the Methotrexate is working so well for . So

proud of him, too, that he's so brave about his injections! Josh was

astounded! We loved the pictures. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed

that these next labs look really good and that the AM taper will go

smoothly. Be patient, though. Okay? Don't rush it. You'll both be in my

thoughts.

Aloha,

Georgina

hburger64 wrote:

> -Becki..

>

> I think we are done with the PM pred dose :o))))) Nick has not had it

> for 2 nights now and no sign of any problems.. so YEAHHHHHH!!! Just

> have to deal with the 5mg in the AM now.

>

> Nick even wanted to be signed up for baseball last night :o)) My

> hubby is going to be the head coach for his team so im happy about

> that. I dont have to start explaining about Nick to someone else.

>

> HUgs Helen and (6,systemic)

>

> -- In , Arthurnator@w... wrote:

>

>>Hi Helen,

>>I would swear is on high doses of pred.He is so mouthy one

>

> minuite and

>

>>sooo sweet the next.He will also just start crying over the

>

> smallest of

>

>>things.I thnk it's all the attention since I got recruited for our

>

> arthritis walk.He

>

>>goes to the meetings(attention).He went to the team captain

>

> luncheon,pictures

>

>>and attention galore,we had photagraphers from the paper come,he

>

> claims " he

>

>>is a star " .Sat the article and picture came out(full paige).Even

>

> though he is

>

>>just a kindergartener he has been at Nothfield Elementary since 3

>

> so anyone

>

>>that knows him and seen the article said something to him today.One

>

> little kid

>

>>said it wasn't fair that he was in the paper and replied it

>

> wasn't fair

>

>>that he has to take shots.Oh how they get wise beyond their years.I

>

> swear when

>

>>we go to Cincy I am just going to leave him there.On a serious note

>

> I think he

>

>>is just acting out and has something to prove.Once the walk is over

>

> he will

>

>>calm down,I hope.His knees are getting hard and calloused from

>

> slideing on the

>

>>floor like Tom Cruise and Travolta.He is going to be the death

>

> of me yet.

>

>>I read that Nick did fine after missing his 1/2mg pred.If all goes

>

> well I

>

>>agree it's time to try and discontinue it.Our rheumies always hated

>

> PM doses and

>

>>the sooner you can get rid of it the better.

>>Wish luck.He had his last dose of Benadryl last Thursday

>

> (Enbrel) and

>

>>tonight was another shot of Enbrel.We shall see if the morning

>

> proves to be hive

>

>>free.It's been close to an hour and he still alive,so I don't think

>>anaphalactic shock is a concern.It still scares me thinking about

>

> Nick and his allergic

>

>>reaction to the Penicillin.Sorry to have gotten so long and rambly.

>>Love and Hugs

>>Becki and 5 systemic(even sweeter while asleep)

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Hi Christy,

I am so sorry to hear that Abbie is having breakthrough pain before Remicade infusions.I just learned yesterday that Remicade is a much more powerful TNF then Enbrel.Has there been any mention of shortening the time between infusions? I don't even know if thats possible.I have been keeping tabs on MRA but it's not expected to hit the European market until late 2006.Interluken 6 is supposed to be the main bad guy with systemic disease and even though the studies with SoJRA kids was small,it was a mirical drug.

We will pray for things to turn around.

Hugs

Becki and 5 systemic

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HI Becki,

I too, have to laugh. The funny thing is we've never had to do it with the other kids. They were totally mortified for , and it is the absolute worst punishment. lol

Abbie is doing well, hating the diet restrictions brought on by the bout with kidney stones, and feeling a little sorry for herself. I guess she's entitled once in a while. She still has increasing breakthrough pain and swelling with the Remicaide. . . have to wonder how long she will be able to take it. Hope all is well with your family.

Christy (Abbie, 14 systemic)

Re: Prednisone

Hi Christy, I can't help but giggle.Nothing has mortified and his sister Shelby more then having the bedroom door removed.Shelby is a very unemotional child,rarely ever cries but when those hinge pins start getting hammered out,open up the flood gates. Haven't heard from you in a long time.How is Abbie?I hope all is well. Hugs Becki and 5 systemic

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Every time I hear or see the word Prednisone I crenge. When i was

10 (15 yrs ago) they perscribed 80mg to me because i had a severe

eye problem and it was the only thing that worked. This was before

they knew that it depleated bone tissue. They could figure out

while i was not growing (i was a kid) and they begain to do bone

scans to help find out what was wrong with me. I was part of a

small group in Greater Cincinnati who had to constantly do bone

scans for medical research even after i was off of the medicine. I

had my last bone scan at age 14. I now have DDD, Spinal Stenosis

along with many other problems with my thyroid and major

depression. Every doctor that i go to tell me that the reasons why

i have so many health problems was because my long exposure to

steriods. So to answer your question, there are other side effects

--Highly emotional

--obviously water retention

--Achy joints (like u need more of that)

--Severe headaches

--Hot/cold flashes

Those are the ones that i am most familiar with.

I would suggest you regularly see your family doctor to get blood

taken to make sure there isn't anything funny going on.

Also, go on a low sodium diet. It will help the water retiention

some.

Take Calcium (if you don't already)

Those are my suggestions...

Hugs_a_lot

Meghan

25/Cincinnati Oh

> Hi... I am new to this group and have a question... have chronic

pain from

> severe arthritis,

> & spinal stenosis... if i take 15-20 mg of prednisone ea day...

> the pain is so much less and i can function, doing some household

chores...

> i am wondering if anyone here takes steroids to help you through

the day and

> do you think it is worth the side effects... retaining fluid,

hungry all the

> time, and somewhat shaky.... plus the damage to the bones. I am

64 and i

> am thinking that it might be worth it, to live life a little more

fully and

> suffer the side effects.... Would love opinions..

> Hugs, Ida

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At 10:35 AM 9/24/2004, you wrote:

>My 2 1/2 yr. old ASD son was just diagnosed with reactive breathing

>disease (in addition to an ear-infection) and they want to treat it w/

>prednisone.

Prednisone is a steroid that does have side effects (we give it to our dog

for his allergies). It causes weight gain and stresses the liver, liver

tests should be performed every 6 months to 1 year depending on the dosage

to make sure the liver is not being harmed. I wouldn't worry if they plan

to use it for short term, but if the plan was long term I'd be asking a lot

of ?'s - we waited about 2 years before putting out dog on it long term

because of the side effects and he actually does fine only taking it every

other day instead of every day. Little boys and dogs are obviously

different and my knowledge is only of the canine version but our dog is 90

pounds so his medication schedules are almost identical to mine (he & I

have been on the same allergy meds before and I think it's kind of funny :-)

>Can anyone tell me if this is safe? He is GFCF 7 mos. I'm also concerned

>with giving him amoxicillian. I thought maybe Zithromax would be better to

>treat the ear infection.

Zithromax can be easier to take simply because the dosing is 5 days instead

of 10. Zithromax has red food coloring which may or may not be an issue

for you (I think amoxicillian does too), it is an erthromyacin (sp?) drug

which is usually good unless you are allergic to it like I am... The last

time my boys needed antibiotics for the ears we used OmniCef and it worked

great - it's also the only antibiotic I can get my boys to take willingly

w/o wrestling them to the ground, it's strawberry flavor but is white in

color w/o any food coloring - I don't think it has any generic yet so it's

fairly expensive but worth it for our family....

> As far as probiotics, he's on Pro-Bio Gold now and I will add Flora Stor

> with the antibiotics. Does anyone have any advice? My son has never had a

> yeast issue before - should I be on the lookout for anything while he's

> on these two new meds?

I don't know about prednisone contributing to yeast but any antibiotic will

- the probiotics should help prevent that though if I understand it

correctly...

- near LAX

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Thanks so much for that fast reply+ACE- Good to know that about prednisone - I

think I should be ok since he should only be on it for a short while. If it

turns out that he needs something long term, I'll ask my DAN dr. what he

recommends. Also good info about OmniCef - I'll have to remember that for next

time. Hopefully everything will remain in check w/ the probiotics+ACE-

Thanks again

Maribeth

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At 10:35 AM 9/24/2004, you wrote:

+AD4-My 2 1/2 yr. old ASD son was just diagnosed with reactive breathing

+AD4-disease (in addition to an ear-infection) and they want to treat it w/

+AD4-prednisone.

Prednisone is a steroid that does have side effects (we give it to our dog

for his allergies). It causes weight gain and stresses the liver, liver

tests should be performed every 6 months to 1 year depending on the dosage

to make sure the liver is not being harmed. I wouldn't worry if they plan

to use it for short term, but if the plan was long term I'd be asking a lot

of ?'s - we waited about 2 years before putting out dog on it long term

because of the side effects and he actually does fine only taking it every

other day instead of every day. Little boys and dogs are obviously

different and my knowledge is only of the canine version but our dog is 90

pounds so his medication schedules are almost identical to mine (he +ACY- I

have been on the same allergy meds before and I think it's kind of funny :-)

+AD4-Can anyone tell me if this is safe? He is GFCF 7 mos. I'm also concerned

+AD4-with giving him amoxicillian. I thought maybe Zithromax would be better to

+AD4-treat the ear infection.

Zithromax can be easier to take simply because the dosing is 5 days instead

of 10. Zithromax has red food coloring which may or may not be an issue

for you (I think amoxicillian does too), it is an erthromyacin (sp?) drug

which is usually good unless you are allergic to it like I am... The last

time my boys needed antibiotics for the ears we used OmniCef and it worked

great - it's also the only antibiotic I can get my boys to take willingly

w/o wrestling them to the ground, it's strawberry flavor but is white in

color w/o any food coloring - I don't think it has any generic yet so it's

fairly expensive but worth it for our family....

+AD4- As far as probiotics, he's on Pro-Bio Gold now and I will add Flora Stor

+AD4- with the antibiotics. Does anyone have any advice? My son has never had a

+AD4- yeast issue before - should I be on the lookout for anything while he's

+AD4- on these two new meds?

I don't know about prednisone contributing to yeast but any antibiotic will

- the probiotics should help prevent that though if I understand it

correctly...

- near LAX

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> My 2 1/2 yr. old ASD son was just diagnosed with reactive breathing

disease (in addition to an ear-infection) and they want to treat it

w/ prednisone. Can anyone tell me if this is safe? He is GFCF 7 mos.

I'm also concerned with giving him amoxicillian. I thought maybe

Zithromax would be better to treat the ear infection. As far as

probiotics, he's on Pro-Bio Gold now and I will add Flora Stor with

the antibiotics. Does anyone have any advice? My son has never had a

yeast issue before - should I be on the lookout for anything while

he's on these two new meds? Thanks in advance.

>

> Maribeth

Maribeth,

My son was practically psychotic on prednisone. I wouldn't give it

unless it was a life-threatening situation. As for the ear infection,

you can consider treating it naturally (garlic-mullein drops, hot

water bottle) which works great here. You can also ask the doctor to

specify no food dye in the amoxy if you decide to go that route.

I had to take my son to the ER many times because of reactive airway

disease, starting when he was your son's age. Eventually we got the

nebulizer and treated him at home. In our experience, the drugs from

the ped (flovent, singulair) caused major problems. We used albuterol

when we had to, but dropped the rest of them. I finally linked up his

bad breathing episodes with yeast die-off -- when I treated for yeast

too aggressively, he would end up on the neb for a day or so.

Happy to report that once I got him on enzymes and started treating

stuff naturally, the RAD pretty much disappeared.

Nell

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Maribeth-

My son was dx'd w/asthma at 18 mos. of age and we spent about a year-and-a-half

on and off prednisone. We were on albuterol too...four times a day at his worst

times. And Flovent...no wonder my son was wild!

None of it helped anyway. We put our son on a GFCF diet at age three and were

able to stop the meds almost immediately. He's had two asthma attacks since

then (he's now six years old). Allergy testing revealed that he had a

considerable allergy to milk (along with a lot of other things). It never

clicked with any of the doctors though because his reaction time was so delayed.

They all thought he was just intolerant of milk.

I don't know if this will help you, but I thought I'd tell you about the allergy

anyway.

Good luck!

Lori Getz

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There's a condition called adrenal fatigue where the adrenal glands kind of

burn themselves out. The adrenal glands make several major hormones,

including: adrenaline, cortisol (the two stress hormones) and yes, some

testosterone.

Supplementing prednisone (a cortisol replacement) can give the glands a rest

and let them heal and go back to producing their normal levels.

Also worth considering is that hypoandrenal, hypothyroid, and hypogonadism

all share so many symptoms it could be any of the three that are that are

the real culprit in your condition.

There's been quite a bit of discussion about adrenal fatigue in the Usenet

group alt.support.thyroid over the years - a Google search on that group,

and keywords adrenal and skipperbeers (the guy who seems to be the " expert "

on the topic, should reveal plenty of reading material on the subject.

> Prednisone

>

>

>

> Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two

> week course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been

> acting up since I developed a lower respiratory infection a

> couple of months ago.

>

> My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I

> was tested with borderline low T a while back but have been

> on the fence about weather my symptoms are severe enough to

> warrant treating it directly. My energy and mood and some

> other things have been off but not to point where its

> having a major impact on my day to day life and function.

>

>

> The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had

> interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real

> measurable positive increase in my energy level and an

> improvement in mood and drive I had not expected. Not

> excessively but rather I'd describe the way I feel now as

> being what I used to feel was my normal healthy level. While

> I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in these areas

> over the last several years it was hard to subjectively

> measure how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now.

> I haven't been feeling sick but right now feel like my

> general feeling of wellness is better than its been in several years.

>

>

> So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need

> reality check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the

> testosterone behaves similarly in the body to the way a

> steroid like prednisone does. If that's is the case I wonder

> if my T level might just be the main culprit in my lower

> functioning an general feeling of wellness. I was unsure if

> my T level was causing a problem for me because I never had

> the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here

> have had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might

> produce the same sort of improvements.

>

>

> Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed

> prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of

> improvements from treating your low T?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Here's a SWAG - isn't prednisone used to treat autoimmune conditions?

There is a theory that an autoimmune condition can cause secondary

hypogonadism. It is mentioned in the AACE clinical guidelines that

are in the " files " or " links " section here. Although I'm not sure if

the " damage " to the hypothalamus or pituitary is already done, how

much would treating the autoimmune condition itself help low T.

Mark

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Ken,

Dave summed it up pretty good in his response. The Adrenals have a

lot to do with our general feeling of well being. Healing the

Adrenals would lead to feeling much better in general and correct the

hormonal imbalances. I myself experienced an increase in Total

Testosterone, which coincided with my Adrenals being in much better

condition.

>

> Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two week

> course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been acting up

> since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of months

> ago.

>

> My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I was

> tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the

fence

> about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant treating it

> directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been off

> but not to point where its having a major impact on my day to day

> life and function.

>

>

> The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had

> interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real

measurable

> positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in mood and

> drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd describe

the

> way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal healthy

> level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in these

> areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively

measure

> how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't been

> feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of wellness

> is better than its been in several years.

>

>

> So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need reality

> check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone behaves

> similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone does. If

> that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the main

> culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of wellness. I

was

> unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I never

had

> the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here have

> had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce the

same

> sort of improvements.

>

>

> Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed

> prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of

> improvements from treating your low T?

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As someone who is on Prednisone long term, let me point out a few

things:

1.)Prednisone is NOT something you want to take unless abosolutely

necessary. Yes, it can produce a " high " or feeling of well being and

energy, but it is also addictive.

2.) Prednisone has TERRIBLE side effects. Long term use can lead to

blood disorders, cataracts, diabetes, weight gain (fat), dimentia,

and - get this - HYPOGONADISM! Yes, if you want to shut down your

nuts, prednisone can do the trick!

3.) Prednisone is a stress hormone, not a muscle building hormone.

I have an autoimmune disease called Sarcoidosis, and I have to take

Prednisone every day. Trust me, you don't want to take this drug! If

I didn't need it to stay alive, I wouldn't take it either...

Regards,

K4

> >

> > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two

week

> > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been acting

up

> > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of

months

> > ago.

> >

> > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I was

> > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the

> fence

> > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant treating

it

> > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been

off

> > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day to

day

> > life and function.

> >

> >

> > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had

> > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real

> measurable

> > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in mood

and

> > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd describe

> the

> > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal healthy

> > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in these

> > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively

> measure

> > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't

been

> > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of

wellness

> > is better than its been in several years.

> >

> >

> > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need reality

> > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone behaves

> > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone does.

If

> > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the main

> > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of wellness. I

> was

> > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I never

> had

> > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here

have

> > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce the

> same

> > sort of improvements.

> >

> >

> > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed

> > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of

> > improvements from treating your low T?

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K4, how much do you take daily?

There are those who take the stuff in physiologic doses, rather than

pharmacologic doses, that seem to do well. It's like any hormone -

testosterone for those who need it, in doses that replace what our body's

not making is great stuff, but take mega doses and while there are benefits,

there are also bad side effects.

To drive home your point, people might look at photos of Jerry from a

year or two ago...he ballooned up like a bloated pig on the stuff.

I'm not recommending anyone take the stuff without medical advice, but I

read a whole book on the subject (Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st-Century Stress

Syndrome by ), and it makes good arguments for low doses (I think it's

20mg/day), if your adrenals are burning out from the constant stresses of

modern living.

Other comments about Cortisol - this is the adrenal hormone body builders go

out of their way to avoid through diet and routines and whatever.

I believe it causes you to be at risk of hemorrhaging if you have surgery,

for years. I recall taking steroid cortisone for a back injury and being

cautioned to tell all physicians for two years after I stopped that I had

been on systemic cortisone.

I'll recommend again a trip to alt.support.thyroid for some interesting

reading on the topic, especially look for posts by a guy called

" skipperbeers. "

> Re: Prednisone

>

>

>

> As someone who is on Prednisone long term, let me point out a few

> things:

>

> 1.)Prednisone is NOT something you want to take unless

> abosolutely necessary. Yes, it can produce a " high " or

> feeling of well being and energy, but it is also addictive.

>

> 2.) Prednisone has TERRIBLE side effects. Long term use can

> lead to blood disorders, cataracts, diabetes, weight gain

> (fat), dimentia, and - get this - HYPOGONADISM! Yes, if you

> want to shut down your nuts, prednisone can do the trick!

>

> 3.) Prednisone is a stress hormone, not a muscle building hormone.

>

> I have an autoimmune disease called Sarcoidosis, and I have

> to take Prednisone every day. Trust me, you don't want to

> take this drug! If I didn't need it to stay alive, I wouldn't

> take it either...

>

> Regards,

>

> K4

>

>

> > >

> > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two

> week

> > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been acting

> up

> > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of

> months

> > > ago.

> > >

> > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I was

> > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the

> > fence

> > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant treating

> it

> > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been

> off

> > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day to

> day

> > > life and function.

> > >

> > >

> > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had

> > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real

> > measurable

> > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in mood

> and

> > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd describe

> > the

> > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal healthy

> > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in these

> > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively

> > measure

> > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't

> been

> > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of

> wellness

> > > is better than its been in several years.

> > >

> > >

> > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need reality

> > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone behaves

> > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone does.

> If

> > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the main

> > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of wellness. I

> > was

> > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I never

> > had

> > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here

> have

> > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce the

> > same

> > > sort of improvements.

> > >

> > >

> > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed

> > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of

> > > improvements from treating your low T?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Let me correct myself below:

It's 20mg of Cortef (5mgx4/day) or 5mg of Prednisone.

> Re: Prednisone

> >

> >

> >

> > As someone who is on Prednisone long term, let me point out a few

> > things:

> >

> > 1.)Prednisone is NOT something you want to take unless abosolutely

> > necessary. Yes, it can produce a " high " or feeling of well

> being and

> > energy, but it is also addictive.

> >

> > 2.) Prednisone has TERRIBLE side effects. Long term use can lead to

> > blood disorders, cataracts, diabetes, weight gain (fat),

> dimentia, and

> > - get this - HYPOGONADISM! Yes, if you want to shut down your nuts,

> > prednisone can do the trick!

> >

> > 3.) Prednisone is a stress hormone, not a muscle building hormone.

> >

> > I have an autoimmune disease called Sarcoidosis, and I have to take

> > Prednisone every day. Trust me, you don't want to take this

> drug! If I

> > didn't need it to stay alive, I wouldn't take it either...

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > K4

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two

> > week

> > > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been acting

> > up

> > > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of

> > months

> > > > ago.

> > > >

> > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I

> noticed. I was

> > > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the

> > > fence

> > > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant treating

> > it

> > > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been

> > off

> > > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day to

> > day

> > > > life and function.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had

> > > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real

> > > measurable

> > > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in mood

> > and

> > > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather

> I'd describe

> > > the

> > > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my

> normal healthy

> > > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline

> in these

> > > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively

> > > measure

> > > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't

> > been

> > > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of

> > wellness

> > > > is better than its been in several years.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I

> need reality

> > > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the

> testosterone behaves

> > > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone does.

> > If

> > > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be

> the main

> > > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of

> wellness. I

> > > was

> > > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me

> because I never

> > > had

> > > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here

> > have

> > > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce the

> > > same

> > > > sort of improvements.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed

> > > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of

> > > > improvements from treating your low T?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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If one has Adrenal problems, then one should try to correct this

problem and not use cortisone as something one can use like an

aspirin. In the book Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st-Century Stress

Syndrome by , he prefers treating Adrenal problems using

supplements and not cortisone, because of the possibility that it can

cause the Adrenals to shut down permanently. This does not mean that

one should not use cortisone, only that it should be used under

proper supervision and as part of a comprehensive Adrenal recovery

treatment regimen. I myself have been able to successfully treat my

Adrenals using only supplements with great results.

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two

> > week

> > > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been

acting

> > up

> > > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of

> > months

> > > > ago.

> > > >

> > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I

was

> > > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the

> > > fence

> > > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant

treating

> > it

> > > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been

> > off

> > > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day

to

> > day

> > > > life and function.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had

> > > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real

> > > measurable

> > > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in

mood

> > and

> > > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd

describe

> > > the

> > > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal

healthy

> > > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in

these

> > > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively

> > > measure

> > > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't

> > been

> > > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of

> > wellness

> > > > is better than its been in several years.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need

reality

> > > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone

behaves

> > > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone

does.

> > If

> > > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the

main

> > > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of

wellness. I

> > > was

> > > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I

never

> > > had

> > > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here

> > have

> > > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce

the

> > > same

> > > > sort of improvements.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed

> > > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of

> > > > improvements from treating your low T?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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What supplements did you use?

> Re: Prednisone

>

>

>

> If one has Adrenal problems, then one should try to correct

> this problem and not use cortisone as something one can use

> like an aspirin. In the book Adrenal Fatigue: The

> 21st-Century Stress Syndrome by , he prefers treating

> Adrenal problems using supplements and not cortisone, because

> of the possibility that it can cause the Adrenals to shut

> down permanently. This does not mean that one should not use

> cortisone, only that it should be used under proper

> supervision and as part of a comprehensive Adrenal recovery

> treatment regimen. I myself have been able to successfully

> treat my Adrenals using only supplements with great results.

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on two

> > > week

> > > > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been

> acting

> > > up

> > > > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple of

> > > months

> > > > > ago.

> > > > >

> > > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I noticed. I

> was

> > > > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been on the

> > > > fence

> > > > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant

> treating

> > > it

> > > > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have been

> > > off

> > > > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my day

> to

> > > day

> > > > > life and function.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has had

> > > > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real

> > > > measurable

> > > > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in

> mood

> > > and

> > > > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd

> describe

> > > > the

> > > > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal

> healthy

> > > > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in

> these

> > > > > areas over the last several years it was hard to subjectively

> > > > measure

> > > > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I haven't

> > > been

> > > > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of

> > > wellness

> > > > > is better than its been in several years.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need

> reality

> > > > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone

> behaves

> > > > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone

> does.

> > > If

> > > > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be the

> main

> > > > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of

> wellness. I

> > > > was

> > > > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because I

> never

> > > > had

> > > > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer here

> > > have

> > > > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might produce

> the

> > > > same

> > > > > sort of improvements.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been prescribed

> > > > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds of

> > > > > improvements from treating your low T?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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This link contains info on the supplements I have used:

hypoglycemia-talk/message/5971

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Has anyone here ever had a course of Prednisone? I'm on

two

> > > > week

> > > > > > course of it now to settle down my asthma which has been

> > acting

> > > > up

> > > > > > since I developed a lower respiratory infection a couple

of

> > > > months

> > > > > > ago.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My question stems from an unexpected side effect I

noticed. I

> > was

> > > > > > tested with borderline low T a while back but have been

on the

> > > > > fence

> > > > > > about weather my symptoms are severe enough to warrant

> > treating

> > > > it

> > > > > > directly. My energy and mood and some other things have

been

> > > > off

> > > > > > but not to point where its having a major impact on my

day

> > to

> > > > day

> > > > > > life and function.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The prednisone I'm on to settled my asthma back down has

had

> > > > > > interesting and unexpected side effect. I have seen a real

> > > > > measurable

> > > > > > positive increase in my energy level and an improvement in

> > mood

> > > > and

> > > > > > drive I had not expected. Not excessively but rather I'd

> > describe

> > > > > the

> > > > > > way I feel now as being what I used to feel was my normal

> > healthy

> > > > > > level. While I knew I had experienced a gradual decline in

> > these

> > > > > > areas over the last several years it was hard to

subjectively

> > > > > measure

> > > > > > how much till I compared it to how I'm feeling now. I

haven't

> > > > been

> > > > > > feeling sick but right now feel like my general feeling of

> > > > wellness

> > > > > > is better than its been in several years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So here in lies my question . It seems to me, and I need

> > reality

> > > > > > check on this, that I gleaned somewhere the testosterone

> > behaves

> > > > > > similarly in the body to the way a steroid like prednisone

> > does.

> > > > If

> > > > > > that's is the case I wonder if my T level might just be

the

> > main

> > > > > > culprit in my lower functioning an general feeling of

> > wellness. I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > unsure if my T level was causing a problem for me because

I

> > never

> > > > > had

> > > > > > the depth of loss of function many of the low T sufferer

here

> > > > have

> > > > > > had. Now I'm wondering if raising my T level might

produce

> > the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > sort of improvements.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Has anyone who has testing their low T ever been

prescribed

> > > > > > prednisone for something and did you see similar kinds

of

> > > > > > improvements from treating your low T?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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FSH is Follicle Stimulating Hormone and is part of the testosterone

production system.

TSH is Thyroid Stimulating Hormone and, perhaps obviously, is part of your

Thyroid system feedback.

Neither test is part of a CBC.

> PREDNISONE

>

>

>

> Hello everyone havn't posted in awhile but monitor the board

> everyday. I started on prednisone 8 days ago for a viral

> infection.40 mgs for 10 days,30mgs for three,20 mgs for

> three,10 for one and 10 every other day until better.I also

> get 200mgs of injected T for hypo every 10 to 14 days.I'll

> just have to see how the two drugs interact with each

> other.The specalist ordered blood work and one item caught my

> eye he is checking for TSH or FSH don't remember which can

> you guys tell me what those are? I know they usually are on a

> CBC.Anyways I'll keep you posted effects of this drug combo.

>

>

>

> Butch

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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