Cortisone

[Guest guest]

My son partially tore his ACL in high school. The doctor decided to try a

custom made full leg brace for several months instead of surgery. It cost

around $900, but he was completely cured.

Mike

MT

cortisone

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>

>

> i just got my mri read today and it turns out i have a torn acl. isn't

> that

> crazy, noone had any idea. also have no idea when i tore it. HA, i

> thought it

> couldnt get worse. well, anyway, i got a cortisone shot and i can barely

> walk.

> if anone else has had one, can you tell me how long it took for the pain

> to go

> away?

> thanx

> iris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wow, you poor thing. you are definatly in my thought!!! i feel so bad for

you and all this horrible luck! abyway, i trust my os a lot. i actually brought

my aunt to the appt yesterday, because she is very smart and can tell a bad

doc, but she likes him a lot. my knee already pretty much stopped hurting from

the cortison, and im putting out good thought, so hopefully it will work.

well, i wish you very good luck on your next and LAST surgery!!!

iris

[Guest guest]

I just had cortisone injected yesterday...and it was a torturous

five minutes or so. It hurt like hell! The dr. kept saying now I

am puttint the anesthetic in (yeah right). I go back in a week or

so for the Synvisc series. Dr. says this won't hurt (should I

believe that???!!!)

My other need needs arthroscopy now, but I am going to lose thirty

pounds before I address that.

Joya in Honduras

[Guest guest]

yeah, i counldnt walk almost at all last night. im still limping, but much

better today

[Guest guest]

Last Monday I got a cortisone injection (2, actually) into my shoulder

(arthritis, torn supraspinatus tendon, bone spurs, impingement). For 5 hrs or

so life was wonderful thanks to the Lidocaine that went in with it. Then all

the " normal " pain returned, somewhat worse than before. However, yesterday and

so far today I'd have to say that I have less pain coming from the problems in

the shoulder. We shall see. It's only been 5 days.

Ann

cortisone

>

> i just got my mri read today and it turns out i have a torn acl. isn't

> that

> crazy, noone had any idea. also have no idea when i tore it. HA, i thought

> it

> couldnt get worse. well, anyway, i got a cortisone shot and i can barely

> walk.

> if anone else has had one, can you tell me how long it took for the pain

> to go

> away?

> thanx

> iris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The Lidocaine should be injected with the cortisone. Cortisone is very

irritating to soft tissues. The Lidocaine blocks this for several hours as the

cortisone has a chance to disperse a little and become a little more diluted &

less irritating. However, some people don't react well to cortisone even with

the Lidocaine.

I had 3 Synvisc injections. None of them hurt.

Ann

Re: cortisone

I just had cortisone injected yesterday...and it was a torturous

five minutes or so. It hurt like hell! The dr. kept saying now I

am puttint the anesthetic in (yeah right). I go back in a week or

so for the Synvisc series. Dr. says this won't hurt (should I

believe that???!!!)

My other need needs arthroscopy now, but I am going to lose thirty

pounds before I address that.

Joya in Honduras

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I was orginally fused to L-3, and they tried Cortizone injections on me,

zero help. Many here have had varying degrees of pain relief with these

injections, if they work they are a Godsend. I had a total of three, and

nothing. My best advice is give it a try, but I'm not a doc. My thought was

what do I got to lose, so I gave it a shot, but alas it didn't do squat for

me. They did mine at the L-5 level.

Colorado Springs

[ ] Cortisone

> Hello;

> I'm not sure I've posted here more than once, but I've been reading

> with empathy and encouragement. Thank you all for sharing.

>

> Have any of you had cortisone injections in L3 - L5? Do you feel they

> helped? Were they able to treat you with a site specific injection

> if you were already fused T something - L1 ?

>

> Brief history FYI: I have a fusion from T2 - L1. My long Harrington

> rod was removed about 5 years after my original fusion at age 12. The

> rod removal gave me much more mobility and uprightness than I had

> after the original fusion. Now, due to wear and tear (I am 51), I

> have continual sciatic pain, leg numbness, low back pain etc. You

> know the list. I am in the first stages of trying to, at least, get

> the pain treated. I've already had the MRI which shows no padding

> between L4 and L5, with some stenosis, bone spurs, and a little

> arthritis thrown in - just because.

>

> So, kind people, if you've had the shot(s) I'd love to know what your

> experiences were. Thanks!

>

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> scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates

>

[Guest guest]

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Thanks for your reply! My feeling is that they aren't going to do

much. Sometimes you have to go through channels to get what you

actually need.

I don't understand why, if you have stenosis that's causing numbness,

that they tell you to take anti inflammatory drugs. There is

something, that is not swollen, pressing on a nerve. Yes? There's no

swelling to reduce, or am I wrong? I certainly could be.

Frustration can be our nearest companion with flat back. That's why I

have so appreciated reading all your posts. Knowing somebody else is

going through or has gone through something similar is a comfort.

For what it's worth, I don't think there are that many of " us " ,

especially the Harrington rod people. Now is the time that the

doctors are seeing the not so nice consequences of the surgery(s) we

had many years ago. I sort of think it's our job to educate the

doctors, and hopefully with new fusion techniques being developed,

they won't see the same complaints 30+ years from now. Knowledge is

Power.

>

> Dear ,

>

> I was orginally fused to L-3, and they tried Cortizone injections

on me,

> zero help. Many here have had varying degrees of pain relief with these

> injections, if they work they are a Godsend. I had a total of three,

and

> nothing. My best advice is give it a try, but I'm not a doc. My

thought was

> what do I got to lose, so I gave it a shot, but alas it didn't do

squat for

> me. They did mine at the L-5 level.

>

>

> Colorado Springs

> ----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I had my Cortizone injections after I had my decompression surgery for

Stenosis. My injections were to " help " with the Facet joints and the

arthritis, before I had full on revision. I'm an odd bird as far as

surgeries listed here, I went for the decompression first, hoping to buy

time. Had my revision a year later, and a second revision 11 months later.

I'm doing great, today is my three year revision anniversary. I went about

it different than most but am extreamly happy with my outcome!

[ ] Re: Cortisone

> ;

>

> Thanks for your reply! My feeling is that they aren't going to do

> much. Sometimes you have to go through channels to get what you

> actually need.

>

> I don't understand why, if you have stenosis that's causing numbness,

> that they tell you to take anti inflammatory drugs. There is

> something, that is not swollen, pressing on a nerve. Yes? There's no

> swelling to reduce, or am I wrong? I certainly could be.

>

> Frustration can be our nearest companion with flat back. That's why I

> have so appreciated reading all your posts. Knowing somebody else is

> going through or has gone through something similar is a comfort.

>

> For what it's worth, I don't think there are that many of " us " ,

> especially the Harrington rod people. Now is the time that the

> doctors are seeing the not so nice consequences of the surgery(s) we

> had many years ago. I sort of think it's our job to educate the

> doctors, and hopefully with new fusion techniques being developed,

> they won't see the same complaints 30+ years from now. Knowledge is

> Power.

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Dear ,

>>

>> I was orginally fused to L-3, and they tried Cortizone injections

> on me,

>> zero help. Many here have had varying degrees of pain relief with these

>> injections, if they work they are a Godsend. I had a total of three,

> and

>> nothing. My best advice is give it a try, but I'm not a doc. My

> thought was

>> what do I got to lose, so I gave it a shot, but alas it didn't do

> squat for

>> me. They did mine at the L-5 level.

>>

>>

>> Colorado Springs

>> ----- Original Message -----

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> scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates

>

[Guest guest]

And I really appreciate for hanging around and telling us there's

light at the end of the tunnel!

And that goes for Cam and Titch and Ann and others I'm sure my foggy brain

is forgetting!

It would be hard to have too many experienced voices in the group, filling

us in on the successes, not just the failures, of revision surgery.

So I hope those who are just out of surgery or just going into it will keep

in mind how needed you are here, even if you just pop in occasionally.

(Be sure and remind me of this if I slack off after I'm " all fixed up " and

busy with life.)

:^)

Sharon

[ ] Re: Cortisone

>

>

>> ;

>>

>> Thanks for your reply! My feeling is that they aren't going to do

>> much. Sometimes you have to go through channels to get what you

>> actually need.

>>

>> I don't understand why, if you have stenosis that's causing numbness,

>> that they tell you to take anti inflammatory drugs. There is

>> something, that is not swollen, pressing on a nerve. Yes? There's no

>> swelling to reduce, or am I wrong? I certainly could be.

>>

>> Frustration can be our nearest companion with flat back. That's why I

>> have so appreciated reading all your posts. Knowing somebody else is

>> going through or has gone through something similar is a comfort.

>>

>> For what it's worth, I don't think there are that many of " us " ,

>> especially the Harrington rod people. Now is the time that the

>> doctors are seeing the not so nice consequences of the surgery(s) we

>> had many years ago. I sort of think it's our job to educate the

>> doctors, and hopefully with new fusion techniques being developed,

>> they won't see the same complaints 30+ years from now. Knowledge is

>> Power.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Dear ,

>>>

>>> I was orginally fused to L-3, and they tried Cortizone injections

>> on me,

>>> zero help. Many here have had varying degrees of pain relief with these

>>> injections, if they work they are a Godsend. I had a total of three,

>> and

>>> nothing. My best advice is give it a try, but I'm not a doc. My

>> thought was

>>> what do I got to lose, so I gave it a shot, but alas it didn't do

>> squat for

>>> me. They did mine at the L-5 level.

>>>

>>>

>>> Colorado Springs

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates

>>

[Guest guest]

--

Ditto to Sharon's words....thanks!! ,PA- In

, " Sharon Green "

<sharon.green18@v...> wrote:

>

> And I really appreciate for hanging around and telling us

there's

> light at the end of the tunnel!

>

> And that goes for Cam and Titch and Ann and others I'm sure my

foggy brain

> is forgetting!

>

> It would be hard to have too many experienced voices in the group,

filling

> us in on the successes, not just the failures, of revision surgery.

>

> So I hope those who are just out of surgery or just going into it

will keep

> in mind how needed you are here, even if you just pop in

occasionally.

>

> (Be sure and remind me of this if I slack off after I'm " all fixed

up " and

> busy with life.)

>

> :^)

>

> Sharon

>

>

> [ ] Re: Cortisone

> >

> >

> >> ;

> >>

> >> Thanks for your reply! My feeling is that they aren't going to

do

> >> much. Sometimes you have to go through channels to get what you

> >> actually need.

> >>

> >> I don't understand why, if you have stenosis that's causing

numbness,

> >> that they tell you to take anti inflammatory drugs. There is

> >> something, that is not swollen, pressing on a nerve. Yes?

There's no

> >> swelling to reduce, or am I wrong? I certainly could be.

> >>

> >> Frustration can be our nearest companion with flat back. That's

why I

> >> have so appreciated reading all your posts. Knowing somebody

else is

> >> going through or has gone through something similar is a comfort.

> >>

> >> For what it's worth, I don't think there are that many of " us " ,

> >> especially the Harrington rod people. Now is the time that the

> >> doctors are seeing the not so nice consequences of the surgery

(s) we

> >> had many years ago. I sort of think it's our job to educate the

> >> doctors, and hopefully with new fusion techniques being

developed,

> >> they won't see the same complaints 30+ years from now.

Knowledge is

> >> Power.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> Dear ,

> >>>

> >>> I was orginally fused to L-3, and they tried Cortizone

injections

> >> on me,

> >>> zero help. Many here have had varying degrees of pain relief

with these

> >>> injections, if they work they are a Godsend. I had a total of

three,

> >> and

> >>> nothing. My best advice is give it a try, but I'm not a doc. My

> >> thought was

> >>> what do I got to lose, so I gave it a shot, but alas it didn't

do

> >> squat for

> >>> me. They did mine at the L-5 level.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Colorado Springs

> >>> ----- Original Message -----

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates

> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Irene

I'll do a bit more research on the cortisone stuff and get back to you.

You are in Oregon, right? Is this for real???

http://www.siberiancats.com/race.htm

Trish

Quoting Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...>:

>

>

> Trish W wrote:

> > Anybody know anything about some of the cortisone products to assist weight

>

> > loss?

>

> What???????

>

> Cortisone PREVENTS weight loss and converts muscle to fat.

> 1 lb muscle becomes 5 lbs fat thanks to cortisone.

> That's why it is called a " catabolic " hormone - it breaks down the body.

>

> Maybe you are thinking anabolic steroids?

>

> You don' wan' them either tho!!

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

> Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again Irene . . .

These are the products I'm talking about.

Cortidrene, Relacore, Cortislim . . . there seems to be many

varieties of these on the market . . . Cortidrene seems to

be getting high praise . . .

Thanks for your input!

Trish

Quoting Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...>:

>

>

> Trish W wrote:

> > Anybody know anything about some of the cortisone products to assist weight

>

> > loss?

>

> What???????

>

> Cortisone PREVENTS weight loss and converts muscle to fat.

> 1 lb muscle becomes 5 lbs fat thanks to cortisone.

> That's why it is called a " catabolic " hormone - it breaks down the body.

>

> Maybe you are thinking anabolic steroids?

>

> You don' wan' them either tho!!

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

> Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

trishw@... wrote:

> Hi Irene

>

> I'll do a bit more research on the cortisone stuff and get back to you.

>

Okay great :-)

> You are in Oregon, right?

Was there 12 yrs but a long time ago - I'm in WA.

> Is this for real???

> http://www.siberiancats.com/race.htm

It's a REAL-ly doctored picture :-))

Cats are smarter than that. The only ones that pull anything are the

ones in Norse legend who pull the love goddess Freya's chariot :-)

And mine who pull empty foodbowls to my desk to make a point.......

(Cats will do anything that is in their interests.

Pulling sleds? No way.)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

trishw@... wrote:

> Hi again Irene . . .

>

> These are the products I'm talking about.

> Cortidrene, Relacore, Cortislim . . . there seems to be many

> varieties of these on the market . . . Cortidrene seems to

> be getting high praise . . .

Oh Hi Trish - these are supposed to be ANTI-cortisol.

Some of them have valid ingredients but way too little for way too many

dollars.

You are much better off to use the ingredients in a more usual way as I do:

Green Tea

I use it instead of coffee.

Phosphatidyleserine

Debatable value. It can increase or decrease the problem depending on

other things. Poly-enyl-phosphatidyl-choline is better.

Magnolia

Not worth it in my opinion and kills your intestinal flora so in the end

it reduces your B vitamin supply.

Suntheanine™

Well who knows what is in this? I'll pass:-)) They say it is for " Mental

& Physical relaxation w/o drowsiness " and I know other ways to do that:-)

Chromium

Useful and dirt cheap to buy.

Beta-Sitosterol

Useful but there's lots of it in pure rice bran (my fiber of choice)

and in extra virgin olive oil (my fat of choice). I don't need it in

pills that cost $2 a day.

Stress supporting B Vitamins and they call 3mg of B6 useful?

I use B-50 tabs,with 50mg of B6 - BALANCED with other Bs (which matters)

and get a huge bottle for ten bucks or so at costco.

Antioxidants (Vitamin C) they have 80 measly little milligrams of it in

a serving.

I get a huge bottle of 1000mg tabs for eight bucks at costco.

That's the lowdown on the Cortidrene - the others are no better. Just a

way to make money.

------------------------------

REAL stress reducers are:

Items marked * do not kill cortisol but reduce cell inflammation to

allow weight loss and better health all round:

Vit E - it kills cortisol and I use 1000 IU a day

Green tea - also kills cortisol and I drink it all day, use it in food.

Sleep - kills cortisol.

Moderate Exercise for 20 mins or LESS - kills cortisol

(More exercise in one session increases it)

Tai chi - lowers cortisol.

Yoga relaxation - lowers cortisol.

Wild salmon

GLA as in black currant oil

(cortisol blocks making of GLA, so does high BP, so get it ready-made)

EFAs in ratio 2 omega-6 to 1 omega-3.

LACK of fights (fights raise cortisol)

LACK of coffee or liquorice (these raise cortisol)

*Extra virgin olive oil instead of saturated fat.

*Fish oil - I use 4000 mg a day

*Any high anti-oxoidant low carb food/spice/herb.

* Alpha Lipoic acid

If you are looking to burn fat in presence of high cortisol

you need:

CLA - conjugated linoleic acid

ALCAR - acetyl-L carnitine

as well because Cortisol blocks them and you need them to burn fat.

(All obese people have too much cortisol because fat tissue actually

MAKES the stuff! It's a double whammy. FAT makes you fatter!)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Hi Irene,

I see that you buy vitamins at Costco. I do too sometimes. Do you trust

them to be of value and pure????

Regards,

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

Re: Cortisone

>

>

> trishw@... wrote:

>> Hi again Irene . . .

>>

>> These are the products I'm talking about.

>> Cortidrene, Relacore, Cortislim . . . there seems to be many

>> varieties of these on the market . . . Cortidrene seems to

>> be getting high praise . . .

>

>

> Oh Hi Trish - these are supposed to be ANTI-cortisol.

>

> Some of them have valid ingredients but way too little for way too many

> dollars.

> You are much better off to use the ingredients in a more usual way as I

> do:

>

> Green Tea

> I use it instead of coffee.

>

> Phosphatidyleserine

> Debatable value. It can increase or decrease the problem depending on

> other things. Poly-enyl-phosphatidyl-choline is better.

>

> Magnolia

> Not worth it in my opinion and kills your intestinal flora so in the end

> it reduces your B vitamin supply.

>

> Suntheanine™

> Well who knows what is in this? I'll pass:-)) They say it is for " Mental

> & Physical relaxation w/o drowsiness " and I know other ways to do that:-)

>

> Chromium

> Useful and dirt cheap to buy.

>

> Beta-Sitosterol

> Useful but there's lots of it in pure rice bran (my fiber of choice)

> and in extra virgin olive oil (my fat of choice). I don't need it in

> pills that cost $2 a day.

>

> Stress supporting B Vitamins and they call 3mg of B6 useful?

> I use B-50 tabs,with 50mg of B6 - BALANCED with other Bs (which matters)

> and get a huge bottle for ten bucks or so at costco.

>

> Antioxidants (Vitamin C) they have 80 measly little milligrams of it in

> a serving.

> I get a huge bottle of 1000mg tabs for eight bucks at costco.

>

> That's the lowdown on the Cortidrene - the others are no better. Just a

> way to make money.

>

> ------------------------------

> REAL stress reducers are:

> Items marked * do not kill cortisol but reduce cell inflammation to

> allow weight loss and better health all round:

>

> Vit E - it kills cortisol and I use 1000 IU a day

> Green tea - also kills cortisol and I drink it all day, use it in food.

> Sleep - kills cortisol.

> Moderate Exercise for 20 mins or LESS - kills cortisol

> (More exercise in one session increases it)

> Tai chi - lowers cortisol.

> Yoga relaxation - lowers cortisol.

> Wild salmon

> GLA as in black currant oil

> (cortisol blocks making of GLA, so does high BP, so get it ready-made)

> EFAs in ratio 2 omega-6 to 1 omega-3.

> LACK of fights (fights raise cortisol)

> LACK of coffee or liquorice (these raise cortisol)

> *Extra virgin olive oil instead of saturated fat.

> *Fish oil - I use 4000 mg a day

> *Any high anti-oxoidant low carb food/spice/herb.

> * Alpha Lipoic acid

>

> If you are looking to burn fat in presence of high cortisol

> you need:

> CLA - conjugated linoleic acid

> ALCAR - acetyl-L carnitine

> as well because Cortisol blocks them and you need them to burn fat.

>

> (All obese people have too much cortisol because fat tissue actually

> MAKES the stuff! It's a double whammy. FAT makes you fatter!)

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

> Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon Ferris wrote:

> Hi Irene,

>

> I see that you buy vitamins at Costco. I do too sometimes. Do you trust

> them to be of value and pure????

I trust them to be good value for money.

If I was earning in the top 80% I might look into the " purity " more.

They do work, I know if I skip them.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Irene for all this info! I have to print it out now and

study it and try to digest it!!! I find all these details very

confuzzing and hard to understand!

I'm sure I'll write with more questions!

Thanks again! (and thanks for confirming my suspicions about

the cat story!)

Trish

Re: Cortisone

>

>

> trishw@... wrote:

>> Hi again Irene . . .

>>

>> These are the products I'm talking about.

>> Cortidrene, Relacore, Cortislim . . . there seems to be many

>> varieties of these on the market . . . Cortidrene seems to

>> be getting high praise . . .

>

>

> Oh Hi Trish - these are supposed to be ANTI-cortisol.

>

> Some of them have valid ingredients but way too little for way too many

> dollars.

> You are much better off to use the ingredients in a more usual way as I

> do:

>

> Green Tea

> I use it instead of coffee.

>

> Phosphatidyleserine

> Debatable value. It can increase or decrease the problem depending on

> other things. Poly-enyl-phosphatidyl-choline is better.

>

> Magnolia

> Not worth it in my opinion and kills your intestinal flora so in the end

> it reduces your B vitamin supply.

>

> Suntheanine™

> Well who knows what is in this? I'll pass:-)) They say it is for " Mental

> & Physical relaxation w/o drowsiness " and I know other ways to do that:-)

>

> Chromium

> Useful and dirt cheap to buy.

>

> Beta-Sitosterol

> Useful but there's lots of it in pure rice bran (my fiber of choice)

> and in extra virgin olive oil (my fat of choice). I don't need it in

> pills that cost $2 a day.

>

> Stress supporting B Vitamins and they call 3mg of B6 useful?

> I use B-50 tabs,with 50mg of B6 - BALANCED with other Bs (which matters)

> and get a huge bottle for ten bucks or so at costco.

>

> Antioxidants (Vitamin C) they have 80 measly little milligrams of it in

> a serving.

> I get a huge bottle of 1000mg tabs for eight bucks at costco.

>

> That's the lowdown on the Cortidrene - the others are no better. Just a

> way to make money.

>

> ------------------------------

> REAL stress reducers are:

> Items marked * do not kill cortisol but reduce cell inflammation to

> allow weight loss and better health all round:

>

> Vit E - it kills cortisol and I use 1000 IU a day

> Green tea - also kills cortisol and I drink it all day, use it in food.

> Sleep - kills cortisol.

> Moderate Exercise for 20 mins or LESS - kills cortisol

> (More exercise in one session increases it)

> Tai chi - lowers cortisol.

> Yoga relaxation - lowers cortisol.

> Wild salmon

> GLA as in black currant oil

> (cortisol blocks making of GLA, so does high BP, so get it ready-made)

> EFAs in ratio 2 omega-6 to 1 omega-3.

> LACK of fights (fights raise cortisol)

> LACK of coffee or liquorice (these raise cortisol)

> *Extra virgin olive oil instead of saturated fat.

> *Fish oil - I use 4000 mg a day

> *Any high anti-oxoidant low carb food/spice/herb.

> * Alpha Lipoic acid

>

> If you are looking to burn fat in presence of high cortisol

> you need:

> CLA - conjugated linoleic acid

> ALCAR - acetyl-L carnitine

> as well because Cortisol blocks them and you need them to burn fat.

>

> (All obese people have too much cortisol because fat tissue actually

> MAKES the stuff! It's a double whammy. FAT makes you fatter!)

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

> Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

>

>

>

>

>

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We also need a reference for this too please

Luv - Sheila

There are two fundamental contraindications to cortisol supplementation: when it is not necessary or when it could cause harm. First: Cortisol treatment is not needed when lab tests are normal. In that case, cortisol treatment will generally not help and may, on the contrary, cause harm. Second, cortisol treatment – even appropriate replacement doses of cortisol, may cause harm if the patient does not have sufficient levels of anabolic hormones such as DHEA and sex hormones to counter cortisol catabolic effects. The catabolic effects of cortisol can cause excessive breakdown of the tissues of the body, which result in osteoporosis (loss of bone tissue), skin atrophy (thinning), ecchymosis, petechia (bruising) and immunosuppression (decrease in immune defences). So the recommendation is to treat only when necessary and to do it safely with the smallest effective physiologic doses and with simultaneous correction of any deficit in anabolic hormones.MY DHEA LEVELS WERE LOW, SHOULD THIS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE STARTING CORTISOL? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MY SEX HORMONES ARE, I WAS NEVER TOLD OR ASKED THIS BEFORE STARTING CORTISONE

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CORTISONE DEFICIENCY

Dr. Thierry Hertoghe from the files on the TPA website

We also need a reference for this too please

Luv - Sheila

There are two fundamental contraindications to cortisol supplementation: when it is not necessary or when it could cause harm. First: Cortisol treatment is not needed when lab tests are normal. In that case, cortisol treatment will generally not help and may, on the contrary, cause harm. Second, cortisol treatment – even appropriate replacement doses of cortisol, may cause harm if the patient does not have sufficient levels of anabolic hormones such as DHEA and sex hormones to counter cortisol catabolic effects. The catabolic effects of cortisol can cause excessive breakdown of the tissues of the body, which result in osteoporosis (loss of bone tissue), skin atrophy (thinning), ecchymosis, petechia (bruising) and immunosuppression (decrease in immune defences). So the recommendation is to treat only when necessary and to do it safely with the smallest effective physiologic doses and with

simultaneous correction of any deficit in anabolic hormones.MY DHEA LEVELS WERE LOW, SHOULD THIS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE STARTING CORTISOL? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MY SEX HORMONES ARE, I WAS NEVER TOLD OR ASKED THIS BEFORE STARTING CORTISONE

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Thanks - it does help, when taking statements from a website, to give us a reference and it also saves me, and others, having to search for it ourselves.

luv - Sheila

CORTISONE DEFICIENCY

Dr. Thierry Hertoghe from the files on the TPA website

We also need a reference for this too please

Luv - Sheila

There are two fundamental contraindications to cortisol supplementation: when it is not necessary or when it could cause harm. First: Cortisol treatment is not needed when lab tests are normal. In that case, cortisol treatment will generally not help and may, on the contrary, cause harm. Second, cortisol treatment – even appropriate replacement doses of cortisol, may cause harm if the patient does not have sufficient levels of anabolic hormones such as DHEA and sex hormones to counter cortisol catabolic effects. The catabolic effects of cortisol can cause excessive breakdown of the tissues of the body, which result in osteoporosis (loss of bone tissue), skin atrophy (thinning), ecchymosis, petechia (bruising) and immunosuppression (decrease in immune defences). So the recommendation is to treat only when necessary and to do it safely with the smallest effective physiologic doses and with simultaneous correction of any deficit in anabolic hormones.MY DHEA LEVELS WERE LOW, SHOULD THIS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE STARTING CORTISOL? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MY SEX HORMONES ARE, I WAS NEVER TOLD OR ASKED THIS BEFORE STARTING CORTISONE

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> MY DHEA LEVELS WERE LOW, SHOULD THIS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE

> STARTING CORTISOL? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MY SEX HORMONES ARE, I WAS NEVER

> TOLD OR ASKED THIS BEFORE STARTING CORTISONE

get some ordered then. again its all about experimenting with

yourself until you come good. i take dhea, but until i stop it i

cannot say if it has helped or if the hc increases have done the job.

mine was low as well.

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These effects don't take place overnight, so there is plenty of time

for you to ask your practitioner about these issues. When I saw Dr P

he seemed very pleased that I had come with a list of questions and

was prepared to take an active role in my healing. So, as they would

say on Dad's Army, " Don't panic! " :-)

Thierry Hertoghe (quoted below) treats people with a very wide range

of hormones. I asked Dr P about this and he said he started with the

most common culprits and in most cases they hit the spot (my

paraphrase). He is obviously aware of the role of these other

hormones and can recommend them in cases where it is necessary. This

complexity is why I have opted for the supervision of a practitioner

rather than going it alone.

Miriam

Second, cortisol treatment – even appropriate replacement doses of

cortisol, may cause harm if the patient does not have sufficient

levels of anabolic hormones such as DHEA and sex hormones to counter

cortisol catabolic effects.

> MY DHEA LEVELS WERE LOW, SHOULD THIS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE

> STARTING CORTISOL? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MY SEX HORMONES ARE, I WAS

NEVER TOLD OR ASKED THIS BEFORE STARTING CORTISONE

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Hi

Your low DHEA would have been taken into consideration when Dr Peatfield recommended you start your HC. In his Book "Your thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy" on page 197 (for doctors) he writes

"At some point during the investigations, the levels of DHEA should be checked. High cortisol together with high DHEA suggests that the adrenals are under a high level of stress, stage 1 of general adaption syndrome (GAS) and able to respond. High cortisol and low DHEA show evidence of stage II of the GAS when the response is beginning to maladapt. Low DHEA and low cortisol will suggest adrenal exhaustion. A high DHEA with a variable or low cortisol level is strong evidence that the glucocorticoid pathway from pregnenolone to cortisol is interrupted and can only be corrected by the use of cortisone. High cortisol levels may be reduced by the use of DHEA which will suppress the over-response of adrenal function (in a dose of 25 to 50mg daily or 7-keto-DHEA 25 mg). Pregnenolone may be used as an alternative to DHEA, usually 30 mg daily. (If the blockage to cortisol manufacture is at 17-OH-Pregnenolone level, then give biotin as it helps maintain enzymatic production such as the 21-Hydroxylase enzyme).

Luv - Sheila

MY DHEA LEVELS WERE LOW, SHOULD THIS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE STARTING CORTISOL? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MY SEX HORMONES ARE, I WAS NEVER TOLD OR ASKED THIS BEFORE STARTING CORTISONE

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My DHEA and cortisol were both low and below range and I was at stage 4 on the adrenal stages. I hope this will right itself with the cortisone thanks Sheila but you know I worry!--- On Sun, 21/9/08, sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>

 Hi

Your low DHEA would have been taken into consideration when Dr Peatfield recommended you start your HC. In his Book "Your thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy" on page 197 (for doctors) he writes

"At some point during the investigations, the levels of DHEA should be checked. High cortisol together with high DHEA suggests that the adrenals are under a high level of stress, stage 1 of general adaption syndrome (GAS) and able to respond. High cortisol and low DHEA show evidence of stage II of the GAS when the response is beginning to maladapt. Low DHEA and low cortisol will suggest adrenal exhaustion. A high DHEA with a variable or low cortisol level is strong evidence that the glucocorticoid pathway from pregnenolone to cortisol is interrupted and can only be corrected by the use of cortisone. High cortisol levels may be reduced by the use of DHEA which will suppress the over-response of adrenal function (in a dose of 25 to 50mg daily or 7-keto-DHEA 25 mg). Pregnenolone may be used as an alternative to DHEA, usually 30 mg daily. (If the blockage to cortisol manufacture is at 17-OH-Pregnenolone

level, then give biotin as it helps maintain enzymatic production such as the 21-Hydroxylase enzyme).

Luv - Sheila

MY DHEA LEVELS WERE LOW, SHOULD THIS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE STARTING CORTISOL? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MY SEX HORMONES ARE, I WAS NEVER TOLD OR ASKED THIS BEFORE STARTING CORTISONE

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