Guest guest Posted December 4, 2000 Report Share Posted December 4, 2000 I'm from R.I. and want to know whatt district you call that ? >From: " Teriana " <Our96ss@...> >dwarfismegroups >Subject: Question..... >Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 03:02:42 -0000 > >To anyone, > I was wondering if there is any type of holiday party for >District5? If there please let me know when it is . > >Teriana > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2000 Report Share Posted December 5, 2000 You are in District One...I'm in District 1 as well...all of New England! I'm in New Hampshire! a > > I'm from R.I. and want to know whatt district you call that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2000 Report Share Posted December 5, 2000 > > Question..... > > Motor City Chapter of District 5, > > There isn't the usual New Years Eve party we have on the first saturday of > January . > We are having a Christmas Party next Saturday being hosted by Dave & Louise > Norris. > You can call them with any questions at 313-584-8662. > > Other chapters might be doing something but I haven't heard. Check Danny > Blacks Website. > > Hope to see you there! > > Pouliot > > > > To anyone, > > I was wondering if there is any type of holiday party for > > District5? If there please let me know when it is . > > > > Teriana > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Sometimes I am annoyed, o.ther times it rolls off. It depends on my mood. I am using a CCI dog and have since 1998. One day, a few months into my first dog, I left him in the van with my DH for a quick run through K-mart. Just inside the door I heard, " look at the midget! look. look. " With a dog, I hear much more 'look at the puppy.' That can be just as awful some days. But after not being the first focus as a lp the remark really hurt that day. I don't think we will be looked at as 'normal' until the public is over exposed to us. My son, who has OI, too, but is not noticeably a lp, yet, gets so angry at others, some times we have to just leave. Sally and Havan (CCI SSD Exceptional Dogs for Exceptional People) _http://www.tarotreadings.net_ (http://www.tarotreadings.net/) _http://www.customclergy.com_ (http://www.customclergy.com/) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 In a message dated 8/7/2007 1:30:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, alycew@... writes: " When are you going to grow up? " I managed not to make a smart remark, and told her that I was grown up, but that some people stay short. She said, " Like on the TV show about the little people? " I said, " Right! " Then it seemed to make sense to her. Alyce :-) I like to tell them I am small for the same reason they have penny red hair or dark brown eyes, I just am. This seems to satisfy the mortified parent standing near-by. Sally and Havan (CCI SSD Exceptional Dogs for Exceptional People) _http://www.tarotreadings.net_ (http://www.tarotreadings.net/) _http://www.customclergy.com_ (http://www.customclergy.com/) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 In a message dated 8/7/2007 1:54:16 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, quartznh@... writes: For every person who watches this show is one more person who is less likely going to come up to me and ask how can I drive a car or other questions. I actually had a woman follow me out to my car, I was a bit anxious about it, she wanted to 'see for herself.' I was seriously uncomfortable. Sally and Havan (CCI SSD Exceptional Dogs for Exceptional People) _http://www.tarotreadings.net_ (http://www.tarotreadings.net/) _http://www.customclergy.com_ (http://www.customclergy.com/) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 When out and about I do often get questions about the show, what a great thing it is and also how I look just like " that woman on that show " . Which simply proves that they still see us all the same, b/c Amy and I don't really look alike and they can't even remember her name. One man approached me about the show and how great it is b/c they show that " you little folk can do everything we can do. DId you see man taking care of the farm? The lady with kids and grocery shopping and driving a car? " (Mind you he's asking me this as I'm putting my daughter in my car, after putting my groceries in my trunk). " That's simply amazing, " he tells me. ARGH!!!!!!!! The show leaves me with mixed feelings...it's good to some extent, but like you Faye...I long for the day that people don't have the urge to come up and talk about it. It's simply a show on TV. " We " are not all friends, " we " don't all live the same sorta lives, and " we " should not be judged by what the Roloffs do or don't do...judge me for me, just an average lady trying to live her life in southern Maine. I'm eager to hear what others have to say, hopefully this turns into a good discussion. Barbara Question..... ....kind of changing the subject, but kind of not I just wondered how people feel when members of the public approach you and say " Oh, I watch " Little People, Big World " and I love it! " . Then they go on to explain how they feel that little people are wonderful and they're amazed by how we manage... Do you like that reaction? Do you ever get annoyed by it? The other day 2 people were walking behind my Husband and I, talking extra loud so that we could here - making sure we knew they watch the show then comparing us, and more or less making it seem we're one of the same just because we're small like the Roloff's. I don't know why, but I was just a little annoyed - probably more so because of how loud they were dilberately talking. But also, everywhere we go now, we get the same question asked " Do you watch that show? " ...... So I began having a little rant to my Husband, saying " Do you hear those women behind us? You hear what they're saying? " ...then my Husband replied saying... " You moan if it's something negative being shown on the TV about little people and get a reaction, then you moan if it's something positive and get a reaction " . Those words kinda struck me, and I had to admit, he was right. This is no offence to the Roloffs, but I guess I just wish I could walk outside every day with no reaction at all, and no comparison's to any other little people. The reactions tend to be either negative, or patronizing... What's your take on it? Do you mind the attention, even when it's positive? And do you believe that even with all this positiveness coming from " Little People, Big World " that people's reaction to us will ever be " normal " ?? Be interesting to see what people think... Faye http://www.myspace.com/lilbittavanilla ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 8/6/2007 4:53 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Well, when people come up to me and point out " I watch that show! " , I have learned to smile. For once, I'm not getting weird looks like I've got some disease they can get. This show is educating the public, which you have to admit, is not that bright! More people come up to me to say hi, and because of the show seem to be a lot more understanding about my needs and what I can/can't do. I've amazed more people and it's a good feeling. The ONLY time I ever get upset is when someone deliberately makes fun of me or is nasty...and ya know what? That's happening a lot less these days! I'm so thankful the Roloff's have chosen to share their lives with the public because they have taught in such a way that everyone remembers that show now. Let's be thankful for the good vibes LPs are getting nowadays, because we really have come a long way. A few weeks ago, I was at a family reunion, and my little 7 year old cousin came up to me, wanting to share a story. She said kids at her school were making fun of little people, saying they (we) were stupid, etc. I told her that kids are going to make fun of everyone for some reason or another at that age. I remember feeling like everyone hated me back in grade school, then once I got to high school the rich snobby kids started wanting to talk to me and get to know me like it was cool. She told the kids at her school " No they're not! My cousin is a little person and she is smart! " . Hell, if that show can educate someone THAT young, it's doing a good job! " You have everyone's attention, so NOW what are you going to do with it? " Well, I'm gonna do what I can do and let people gawk and stare then stand back in amazement because I'm able to do more than they thought If they're mean I'll just run 'em over with my scooter. :-) I take dwarfism as a blessing since I've gotten older. I've had more challenges in life but each one has made me a stronger person now I'm able to deal with a lot more emotionally than some other's my age. Just remember, we're part of the population that's always had to deal with some negative feedback all our lives. Now we're getting positive feedback - maybe not everyone knows how to take it and is shocked? ~ On 8/7/07, spiritual_element4 <spiritual_element4@...> wrote: > > ....kind of changing the subject, but kind of not > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I tell them that I have a Farm just like Matt and Amy's and we're very much like the Amish community, we all get together for Treehouse, fairytale castle building and peach picking on our respective farms. Only difference is I live in Jersey, so my Achon son gets stuck selling tomatoes rather than peaches. If The Barn or Tree House Burns Down we all have a Dwarf Hotenany and Barn rasing Raising. They usually get mad and walk away once they realize I was being sarcastic. Question..... dwarfism > ....kind of changing the subject, but kind of not > > I just wondered how people feel when members of the public approach > you and say " Oh, I watch " Little People, Big World " and I love > it! " . > Then they go on to explain how they feel that little people are > wonderful and they're amazed by how we manage... > > Do you like that reaction? Do you ever get annoyed by it? > > The other day 2 people were walking behind my Husband and I, > talking > extra loud so that we could here - making sure we knew they watch > the > show then comparing us, and more or less making it seem we're one > of > the same just because we're small like the Roloff's. I don't know > why, but I was just a little annoyed - probably more so because of > how loud they were dilberately talking. But also, everywhere we go > now, we get the same question asked " Do you watch that show? " ...... > > So I began having a little rant to my Husband, saying " Do you hear > those women behind us? You hear what they're saying? " ...then my > Husband replied saying... > > " You moan if it's something negative being shown on the TV about > little people and get a reaction, then you moan if it's something > positive and get a reaction " . Those words kinda struck me, and I > had > to admit, he was right. This is no offence to the Roloffs, but I > guess I just wish I could walk outside every day with no reaction > at > all, and no comparison's to any other little people. The reactions > tend to be either negative, or patronizing... > > What's your take on it? Do you mind the attention, even when it's > positive? > > And do you believe that even with all this positiveness coming > from " Little People, Big World " that people's reaction to us will > ever be " normal " ?? > > Be interesting to see what people think... > > Faye > http://www.myspace.com/lilbittavanilla > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I have to say I like being tied to Matt's show or confused for Dinklage (don't ask why) Rather than WeeMan, or " That Midget from Sterm " or " Jerry Springer " > " You moan if it's something negative being shown on the TV about > little people and get a reaction, then you moan if it's something > positive and get a reaction " . Those words kinda struck me, and I > had > to admit, he was right. This is no offence to the Roloffs, but I > guess I just wish I could walk outside every day with no reaction > at > all, and no comparison's to any other little people. The reactions > tend to be either negative, or patronizing... > > What's your take on it? Do you mind the attention, even when it's > positive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 What I like about the show is that it shows the family doing " normal " (if you'll pardon the expression :-)) things - choreographing kids' activities, seeing if they did the homework, worrying about whether they'll pass their driver's test, find a nice girl, etc., etc. In fact, it's so normal that I find it boring (nothing personal) - the reaction I have to most " reality " shows. But it's a step in the right direction to show people that we are not actually aliens from another galaxy, but folks who do boring things just like them. When people comment on the show to me, I use the opportunity to point out how the Roloffs are distinct individuals, as are all people. I think it's also helpful to children who are trying to sort out who's a kid and who's a grown-up. One little girl at my church saw the show, then came up to me and said, " When are you going to grow up? " I managed not to make a smart remark, and told her that I was grown up, but that some people stay short. She said, " Like on the TV show about the little people? " I said, " Right! " Then it seemed to make sense to her. Alyce :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 You could always say, " I'm small, but you're going to be big and ugly, just like your dad " They probably won't bother you again Re: Question..... alycew@..., dwarfism > > > In a message dated 8/7/2007 1:30:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > alycew@... writes: > > " When are you going to grow up? " I managed not to make a smart > remark, and > told her that I was grown up, but that some people stay short. > She said, > " Like on the TV show about the little people? " I said, " Right! " > Then it > seemed to make sense to her. > > Alyce :-) > > > > I like to tell them I am small for the same reason they have > penny red hair > or dark brown eyes, I just am. This seems to satisfy the > mortified parent > standing near-by. > > Sally and Havan (CCI SSD Exceptional Dogs for Exceptional People) > _http://www.tarotreadings.net_ (http://www.tarotreadings.net/) > _http://www.customclergy.com_ (http://www.customclergy.com/) > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I agree with Alyce here. One of the things I love about the show is that it educates people FOR me. I have noticed that people have asked me less questions about me specifically and more about how I view this show. It is a reality show about people with dwarfism or disability living their life like anyone else. It shows that we can do most of the same things as anyone else, just a differently in some cases. As person with a disability (dwarfism) and working in a disability organziation, this show is very refreshing and shows the positive and crediable aspect of a person's life with a disability living life just like anyone else. The nice thing about this show, it doesn't show " How brave " a person is to live in a house, have a job, cars and a family. It shows how acceptable it is for people with disabilities to have an average life. This show also shows that people who are different still share common grounds like family arguements, challenges in life, raising kids and other aspect of life that everyone faces. Basically, it shows people what we already know. I'd rather have people ask me what I think of the show than ask me a lot of personal questions about things I don't think about anymore, like driving. For every person who watches this show is one more person who is less likely going to come up to me and ask how can I drive a car or other questions. ~ a > > What I like about the show is that it shows the family doing " normal " (if you'll pardon the expression :-)) things - choreographing kids' activities, seeing if they did the homework, worrying about whether they'll pass their driver's test, find a nice girl, etc., etc. In fact, it's so normal that I find it boring (nothing personal) - the reaction I have to most " reality " shows. But it's a step in the right direction to show people that we are not actually aliens from another galaxy, but folks who do boring things just like them. When people comment on the show to me, I use the opportunity to point out how the Roloffs are distinct individuals, as are all people. > > I think it's also helpful to children who are trying to sort out who's a kid and who's a grown-up. One little girl at my church saw the show, then came up to me and said, " When are you going to grow up? " I managed not to make a smart remark, and told her that I was grown up, but that some people stay short. She said, " Like on the TV show about the little people? " I said, " Right! " Then it seemed to make sense to her. > > Alyce :-) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Tony, We had the community over for a tree house raising the other day. Where were you? I think we'll have to talk to the elders about your commitment to dwarfamish values. ;-p Bill On 8/7/07, tonysoares@... <tonysoares@...> wrote: > > I tell them that I have a Farm just like Matt and Amy's and we're very > much like the Amish > community, we all get together for Treehouse, fairytale castle building > and peach picking on > our respective farms. > > Only difference is I live in Jersey, so my Achon son gets stuck selling > tomatoes rather than > peaches. > > If The Barn or Tree House Burns Down we all have a Dwarf Hotenany and Barn > rasing > Raising. > > They usually get mad and walk away once they realize I was being > sarcastic. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I'm with Barbara on this one. I have mixed feelings about the show. It is nice NOT to see dwarfs playing elves, pixies, or demented leprechauns on TV (speaking of which, I saw an ad for the Oregon State Fair featuring Art Gil as a leprechaun. It was actually very amusing, although in his makeup, Art looked eerily like Barty -- I thought I was seeing ghosts!). However, it would be nice if such shows are not necessary. If Matt and Amy were not LPs with a mix of LP and AP children, there would be no reason for such a show. To speak to Cyndi's email, I think the crux of the problem is that as LPs, we have no choice whether we want to be anonymous or not. We're always " on stage " when out in public. At least with Matt's show, being " on stage " brings about a little respectability and dignity. But I also get tired of the questions about the show. I was in one episode for like 10 seconds last year, and the gal at my local Starbucks drive through recognized me and grilled me about Matt. Of course, I live within an hour of Matt, so that may be more of problem out here than elsewhere. Bill On 8/7/07, Barbara Spiegel <bspiegel@...> wrote: > > When out and about I do often get questions about the show, what a > great thing it is and also how I look just like " that woman on that show " . > Which simply proves that they still see us all the same, b/c Amy and I don't > really look alike and they can't even remember her name. > One man approached me about the show and how great it is b/c they show > that " you little folk can do everything we can do. DId you see man taking > care of the farm? The lady with kids and grocery shopping and driving a > car? " (Mind you he's asking me this as I'm putting my daughter in my car, > after putting my groceries in my trunk). " That's simply amazing, " he tells > me. ARGH!!!!!!!! > The show leaves me with mixed feelings...it's good to some extent, but > like you Faye...I long for the day that people don't have the urge to come > up and talk about it. It's simply a show on TV. " We " are not all friends, > " we " don't all live the same sorta lives, and " we " should not be judged by > what the Roloffs do or don't do...judge me for me, just an average lady > trying to live her life in southern Maine. > I'm eager to hear what others have to say, hopefully this turns into a > good discussion. > > Barbara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I was busy saving lost souls TS On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Bill Bradford wrote: > Tony, > We had the community over for a tree house raising the other day. > Where > were you? I think we'll have to talk to the elders about your > commitment to > dwarfamish values. ;-p > Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Bill -- Was that tree made with or without the new fangled cookie oven? Was it tough getting insurance having a heating element inside your tree? Rose > > Tony, > We had the community over for a tree house raising the other day. Where > were you? I think we'll have to talk to the elders about your commitment to > dwarfamish values. ;-p > Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Here's the commercial that Bill was talking about: http://tinyurl.com/2bhnrm Yah, I can see the resemblance to . I think the laugh sounds like him too. Life is a stage...on with the show. Arturo Gil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 Oh Alyce, if yer ever grow up, I'm gonna disown yer. Yer beautiful the way yer are:-) I think when it comes to children's comments, (which I love), I take the view that all they are doing is voicing what they see. No different to a lot of things they say " Mammy look at that...... " it can be anything. So when they see a small man or woman, all they are doing is telling the parent that they see us. I HATE it when the comment is followed by a smack to the child. Now, when a child walks up to me and says " You're lickle (their pronunctuation) " , I find I can floor them by just saying " But you're lickler " THAT stumps them AND incidently, takes the look of shock and horror from the parent's face:-) Alyce, stay as lickle as yer are, cos yer a lickle diamond and darn well knows it. Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: Alyce ] One little girl at my church saw the show, then came up to me and said, " When are you going to grow up? " I managed not to make a smart remark, and told her that I was grown up, but that some people stay short. She said, " Like on the TV show about the little people? " I said, " Right! " Then it seemed to make sense to her. Alyce :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 He's referring to The Roloff's Tree Rose, Not The Keebler's. That Family got their TV contract like 50 years ago back when the rules for SAG's Dwarf labor were non exisistant. BTW--Their oven is a Magic oven, they don't need heating elements if I recall. TS On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Rose wrote: > Bill -- > > Was that tree made with or without the new fangled cookie oven? Was it > tough getting insurance having a heating element inside your tree? > > Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 I think Rose is also referring to my post a week or so back. All in Fun Tony On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:08 AM, tony soares wrote: > He's referring to The Roloff's Tree Rose, Not The Keebler's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 While I greatly appreciate the fact that the public is learning more about us and how " normal " we really are, it obviously is still not teaching them to respect the privacy and personal space that the rest of the population enjoys. I won't tell you what I say to folks who come up and say " do you watch LPBW, I LOVE IT! " because my personal feelings about the show are not complimentary. By the way, hasn't ANYBODY noticed the idiocy taking place on " Mind of Mencia? " I don't watch the shows (the promos are revolting enough), but the dwarf behavior on the promos makes me cringe! And one of the kids in our fraternity very mistakenly seemed to think I'd find her description of a particular dwarf's role on the show amusing. (My husband and I are alumni advisors to our college fraternity.) -marty (the lady one, but cranky today) >>> " spiritual_element4 " <spiritual_element4@...> 8/7/2007 1:32 PM >>> .....kind of changing the subject, but kind of not I just wondered how people feel when members of the public approach you and say " Oh, I watch " Little People, Big World " and I love it! " . Then they go on to explain how they feel that little people are wonderful and they're amazed by how we manage... Do you like that reaction? Do you ever get annoyed by it? The other day 2 people were walking behind my Husband and I, talking extra loud so that we could here - making sure we knew they watch the show then comparing us, and more or less making it seem we're one of the same just because we're small like the Roloff's. I don't know why, but I was just a little annoyed - probably more so because of how loud they were dilberately talking. But also, everywhere we go now, we get the same question asked " Do you watch that show? " ...... So I began having a little rant to my Husband, saying " Do you hear those women behind us? You hear what they're saying? " ...then my Husband replied saying... " You moan if it's something negative being shown on the TV about little people and get a reaction, then you moan if it's something positive and get a reaction " . Those words kinda struck me, and I had to admit, he was right. This is no offence to the Roloffs, but I guess I just wish I could walk outside every day with no reaction at all, and no comparison's to any other little people. The reactions tend to be either negative, or patronizing... What's your take on it? Do you mind the attention, even when it's positive? And do you believe that even with all this positiveness coming from " Little People, Big World " that people's reaction to us will ever be " normal " ?? Be interesting to see what people think... Faye http://www.myspace.com/lilbittavanilla ********************************************************** Electronic Mail is not secure, may not be read every day, and should not be used for urgent or sensitive issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 Okay, what is " Mind of Mencia? " Alyce (who usually stays with the History Channel). :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 Personally speaking, I could not say that to a kid, even if that kid said something knowingly mean wholly intending to hurt my emotions as an adult lp. It's my hope that was joking, as I feel a kid is not a person fully formed in their emotional and intellectual growth, so they have an excuse for being immature, even rude, as even that too to me, is even more of a picture of their upbringing by their 'adult' parents than themselves. Just as I know words hurt us and they truly do, they hurt kids even more. And what we say to them now may even affect how they see us when they grow up. luv, grady > You could always say, " I'm small, but you're going to be big and ugly, just like your dad. " > They probably won't bother you again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Did you shoot this ad along the Columbia Gorge highway, up by the Vista House? I live about 40 miles east of that spot. Bill On 8/7/07, arturo_gil <arturo@...> wrote: > > Here's the commercial that Bill was talking about: > > http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=vids.individual & videoid=14380164 > > Yah, I can see the resemblance to . I think the laugh sounds like > him too. > > Life is a stage...on with the show. > > Arturo Gil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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