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Barb,

We got our carnosine today (yes!). Since we are doing this on our own I

have no idea the best way of giving it (once a day, twice a day?). Are

you giving 's twice a day? The capsules we have are 500mg

capsules. I'm considering giving 500mg twice a day since Dr. Chez's

study shows them giving it twice a day. Our daughter, Shan, is 7

weighing 41 pounds. I know you are not an expert, but you have

experience with this and have been in contact with Dr. Chez and their

office. I appreciate any information/experience that you have to offer.

I definitely like the idea of a higher loading dose to get it working

quicker instead of waiting 2 weeks for it to be a therapeutic level.

Our daughter's seizures come from the right frontal lobe and the night

seizures have really affected her left side over the month. The GABA

has helped slow the rate of weakness, but we need something to help her

soon. If the carnosine does not help then our next step will be a 24

hour EEG and from it determine the best medication to try. She is not

having day time seizures except for occasional simple partial ones, but

the night seizures just won't let go. Thanks, Barb.

Rhonda

Philippines

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Hey Rhonda...

Sorry I didnt get back to you on your other note...life seems to have

gotten away from me. Im helping my Church open a preschool and

our teacher got a different Job 2 weeks prior to our open!! AHHHHH

Busy busy busy...thanks for puttting my name in the subject...Im skimming

like crazy these days!

Dr. Chez peddles his carnaware in 200mg doses (so you have to give

more capsules and spend more!!!) So I believe he recommends starting

2-4 a day...at 800mg to 1200mgs a day (lower for autism or higher for

seizures). Dosages didnt seem to depend on age or weight. Now

with the Now brand since we have 500mg caps I started on 1

at breaky. Then I added one at dinner and finally one more at lunch

which seems to be the amount that stopped s seizures. I added

them at 4 day intervals. You have to remember is adult size.

I have not seen any side effects....like hyperactivity or sleeplessness

or behavior stuff. has always been extremely loud and talkative

when seizures are held at bay so its hard to tell...LOLOLOL

Interestingly enough...Im weaning the last of Dilantin. We were

noticing

an increase in auras and partials. So I increased back up to 1500 (I had

lowered to 1000 when we got control) and BINGO...they stopped again

with in a day!....man oh man I love this stuff!!!

FYI....we tried Gaba (kirkmans) and it increased bryans seizures as

well as the melatonin did the same! is opposite as your daughter.

His seiuzres come from what is left of the left side of his brain. He

had brain surgery (functional hemisperectomy) last februrary due to

Rasmussens Encephalitis, and its my guess that there is a nerve

still connected along the remaining vascular.

Now were dealing with Migraine headaches rather then status seizures in

the spring and fall. and we still have auras and partials rather then

complex partials and grand mals. so you can totally disconnect half a

brain but like I tell these docs you still have an immune system totally

out of control.

BTW...My appointment last friday went fine...My local Doc is wonderful!!

I told her that Dr. Wyllie blew off the effects of carnosine and told me

to up the keppra and I didnt. I can be totally honest with this neuro

and

she knows and actually understands me...LOL so Dr. proceeds

to tell me that Dr. Wyllie was taught that way...well what she actually

said

was " thats the way 'WE' are taught " .....and asked me for a copy

of Dr. Chez studies. We discussed HBOT and stem cells. And she

gave me my prescriptions so I can wean the drugs the way " I " want to.

What a wonderful doc!!!

Prayin that you get some relief with the carnosine!!

BArb

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:16:52 +0800 " rackerman "

writes:

> Barb,

>

> We got our carnosine today (yes!). Since we are doing this on our

> own I

> have no idea the best way of giving it (once a day, twice a day?).

> Are

> you giving 's twice a day?

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Wow! Thanks for the quick and in depth reply. Very helpful! I think I

will start at 500mg twice a day. If Shan has difficulty tolerating it

then I will maybe drop back to ½ capsule twice a day and increase

slower. She already takes L-carnitine so hopefully she will tolerate

this without any problems. I’ll keep you posted. I wish, and I’m sure

you wish, I had some profound ideas for and his having to deal

with the migraines, partials, and auras. The auras/simple partials is

the main reason Shan is taking L-carnitine. In the first months of

starting the diet (Feb. 2002) we began carnitine and it obviously helped

with the day time simple partials/auras. If we had her take it

immediately on waking, it usually kept her from having any seizures.

When it seemed we no longer needed it we tried taking her off it but we

noticed immediately a decrease in energy. Lately, there has been a

return of the simple partials/auras (maybe due to decreasing her ratio

to 3.3 from 3.5) so I have been once again making sure she gets it as

soon as she wakes up (had been giving it at breakfast) and during the

day today she had no seizure problems. How encouraging for you to find

a neurologist who you can connect well with. And, there has to be a

special person out there who God has planned for your preschool, so keep

plugging away and trusting.

Praying too that we will find relief through the carnosine,

Rhonda

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Hey...no problem...willing to help in any way I can...

Im sorry Im not familiar with your situation...I use to follow this

list very close and keep up with the majority of the " regulars "

but that was back when this was on 'squish' and my life has

gotten alot busier since then. Ive always felt that this list

saved s life in the beginnings of the diet over 5 years

ago...and I have hung around all these years to try and give

something back.

So with all that said...and not being totally familiar with your

situation...I would check into fatty acids if I were you. You

have a clue with the carnitine...there is something there in the

breakdown and absorption of fats. has a similar

problem.

some questions...what fats are you using?? what drugs has

she been on...depakote?? do you use digestive enzymes?

I thought I remembered you being in that discussion. Also

what supplements and other nutrients are you using??

Oh yeah...I do wish I could find a solution to s problems.

the Carnosine does help with the seizures, but again...were

just controlling a symptom. I do plan to e-mail a Dr. at Duke

who is the " expert " on Rasmussens. I know there has got

to be someone out there with the answers and maybe he

might have a clue. These Migraines that has totally

wipe him out and its almost worse then the seizures were

prior to surgery. At least with the seizures he could pick up

and continue after the seiuzre was over. With these migraines

by 7-8 at night he just goes to bed...he cant function! I know

its allergies and an auto immune system out of control! He is

having them right along with when he use to go status....every

spring and fall. But at his dr appt Friday, she told me that they

really dont know what to do but treat the symptoms...

didnt mean to get carried away at the keyboard there...I

really have to get busy...let me know how things go...

TTFN...

Barb

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:34:08 +0800 " rackerman "

writes:

> Wow! Thanks for the quick and in depth reply. Very helpful! I

> think I

> will start at 500mg twice a day. If Shan has difficulty tolerating

> it

> then I will maybe drop back to ½ capsule twice a day and increase

> slower. She already takes L-carnitine so hopefully she will

> tolerate

> this without any problems. I’ll keep you posted. I wish, and I’m

> sure

> you wish, I had some profound ideas for and his having to

> deal

> with the migraines, partials, and auras. The auras/simple partials

> is

> the main reason Shan is taking L-carnitine. In the first months of

> starting the diet (Feb. 2002) we began carnitine and it obviously

> helped

> with the day time simple partials/auras. If we had her take it

> immediately on waking, it usually kept her from having any

> seizures.

> When it seemed we no longer needed it we tried taking her off it but

> we

> noticed immediately a decrease in energy. Lately, there has been

> a

> return of the simple partials/auras (maybe due to decreasing her

> ratio

> to 3.3 from 3.5) so I have been once again making sure she gets it

> as

> soon as she wakes up (had been giving it at breakfast) and during

> the

> day today she had no seizure problems. How encouraging for you to

> find

> a neurologist who you can connect well with. And, there has to be

> a

> special person out there who God has planned for your preschool, so

> keep

> plugging away and trusting.

>

> Praying too that we will find relief through the carnosine,

> Rhonda

>

>

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Rhonda -- just a thought. We started Leo on Carnosine during the day and it

made him hyperactiveand irritable. So we dropped it.

Later, we started it again -- but at night, with no problem. After two

weeks we started up the daytime dose again.. This time, I guess, his body

was used to it, so no hyperactivity. I guess what I'm saying is if you have

any side effects, you may want to start at night. That said, Leo still has

night time seizures -- a couple of short ones right after falling asleep,

then a few early morning. But nothing during the day, amazingly, except

some subclinical stuff. We're going to make an appointment with the full

keto team at CHOPS to see if they have any great ideas. Good luck with the

Carnosine. Jane

Later

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