Re: anemic

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Heres an interesting one gang.....I was diagnosed as anemic two and a half

yrs ago. Six months of Iron pills cured that, but heres the kicker.....the

anemia occurred right before I developed symptoms of PA!!!!!!!!! I have

read somewhere in some medical book that Anemia is a forerunner of PA.

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spinach also has oxalates that prevent iron absorbtion. Kale or collard greens are much better choices.Laha1960@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/5/2005 5:03:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:

Doctor said iron tablets and diet . I forgot to ask her how long before it could be back to normal.I was wondering, does anyone here have experience with anaemia? Can I do more than just eat steak and spinach 3x day?

* BIG huge advice--- what helps iron absorb in the body is to eat a lot of green leafy vegetables and also some cereals are fortified with iron. Iron helps Vitamin C or maybe it is the other way around and VIT C helps iron absorb in the body, somehow my brain is not working. Anyway, do have those in the morning. Spinach is high in iron, and meat does too. Ask a doctor or nutritionist for a good list. Also take some iron pills, make sure those do not get near Children though. They could take them and have deadly results if they ate them or too many of course.

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Elyse wrote:

>

> Bee,

> I can tell I'm anemic again, it's a familiar pain in my muscles from

> very little exertion and I get winded. It's because my periods have

> been very excessive. I'm eating red meat and I got some dessicated

> liver tablets, how would I know how many to take a day? Thanks,

==>My Dessicated Liver tablets contain 480 mg per tablet, and it says

you can take 4 per day, but since you are low on iron you could take 2

times that, in divided doses.

Bee

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What is Dessicated Liver tablets? I am very anemic too and I have my

period now too and am wondering if that is contributing to my blood

pressure problem. I take iron supplemtns. Is the liver pills better

and if so where do you found that?

Thanks

Theresa

Bee wrote

> ==>My Dessicated Liver tablets contain 480 mg per tablet, and it says

> you can take 4 per day, but since you are low on iron you could take

2

> times that, in divided doses.

>

> Bee

>

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Theresa, they are in any health food store and very inexpensive.

I'm sure you know that iron is not easily absorbed, but there's lots

of iron in liver - which I can't eat, so I'll take the pills :-)

On 1-Jul-06, at 10:34 AM, Theresa wrote:

> What is Dessicated Liver tablets? I am very anemic too and I have my

> period now too and am wondering if that is contributing to my blood

> pressure problem. I take iron supplemtns. Is the liver pills better

> and if so where do you found that?

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Theresa wrote:

>

> What is Dessicated Liver tablets?

==>It is liver which has the moisture removed, and then made into

tablets. You can buy them at the health store.

> I am very anemic too and I have my period now too and am wondering

if that is contributing to my blood pressure problem. I take iron

supplemtns. Is the liver pills better and if so where do you found

that?

==>If you eat plenty of red meats they will provide all of the iron

your body needs. It is not recommended that you take iron capsules

other than dessicated liver. Please note that my article says taking

supplements other than those listed is not recommended.

==>There are two types of iron, heme found in red meats, esp. liver,

and non-heme found in plants which is not assimilated by the body

like heme iron. Non-heme iron will build up in the body causing

problems. Iron is only required by the body in trace amounts unless

you are losing lots of blood, but do not take it over long periods of

time.

Bee

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Theresa,

I meant to say I'm sure you know iron " pills " aren't easily

absorbed. It's an ongoing problem that most women experience, on top

of that they're also constipating!

On 1-Jul-06, at 11:43 AM, macedgeca wrote:

> I'm sure you know that iron is not easily absorbed,

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Bee,

My most recent period was unbelievably heavy, I lost a lot of blood

and unfortunately it takes a while to build up iron levels again. A

few before that were ok, much more reasonable, but prior to that they

were quite heavy.

What I'd like to understand is why it got so heavy. I remember a few

years ago a naturopath said that if I detox too quickly my liver

could release a lot of hormones all at once. Do you think with all

the lemon, chlorophyll, enemas etc I may have released a lot of

hormones at once? Or maybe it's just the change? The other

possibiltiy is I've been eating a lot more meat than before and

supposedly women with high estrogen should cut down on meat (that

doesn't work for me).

The thing is, I'm concerned about giong through this with future

cycles. Even if I'm on the liver tablets I can't go through losing

so much every month. is there anything else I can do about this?

Thank you,

Elyse

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Elyse wrote:

Bee,

> My most recent period was unbelievably heavy, I lost a lot of blood

and unfortunately it takes a while to build up iron levels again. A

> few before that were ok, much more reasonable, but prior to that

they were quite heavy.

>

> What I'd like to understand is why it got so heavy. I remember a

few years ago a naturopath said that if I detox too quickly my liver

could release a lot of hormones all at once. Do you think with all

> the lemon, chlorophyll, enemas etc I may have released a lot of

> hormones at once? Or maybe it's just the change? The other

> possibiltiy is I've been eating a lot more meat than before and

> supposedly women with high estrogen should cut down on meat (that

> doesn't work for me).

==>That is false that women with high estrogen should cut down on

meat, when meat is so very important for hormonal balance, nutrients

and overall health of the liver, adrenals, etc.

==>Your liver didn't detox very quickly, not like cleanses do, and

that's why my program is much better, because it is easier for you to

handle when you are so sick with candida symptoms. I believe your

heavy period means that hormones are changing and being affected by

the program, but it will normalize as you continue to progress.

> The thing is, I'm concerned about giong through this with future

> cycles. Even if I'm on the liver tablets I can't go through losing

so much every month. is there anything else I can do about this?

> Thank you,

==>For heavy periods take 500 mg of bioflavonoids (bought separately

from vitamin C) every day, starting about 5 days before your period,

and continue for the duration of your period, and then stop until the

next time. My M.D. recommended it when I had heavy bleeding for 31

days straight, and it worked in about 3 days. That's why you should

start taking it before your period starts.

Bee

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On 2-Jul-06, at 3:59 AM, Bee Wilder wrote:

> ==>That is false that women with high estrogen should cut down on

> meat, when meat is so very important for hormonal balance, nutrients

> and overall health of the liver, adrenals, etc.

I agree with not avoiding meat. I knew I needed it so I never

followed that, glad to get re-enforcement on that :-) In fact I'm

very relieved, whew :-)

> ==>For heavy periods take 500 mg of bioflavonoids (bought separately

> from vitamin C) every day, starting about 5 days before your period,

> and continue for the duration of your period, and then stop until the

> next time. My M.D. recommended it when I had heavy bleeding for 31

> days straight, and it worked in about 3 days. That's why you should

> start taking it before your period starts.

Are the bioflavinoids supposed to slow down bleeding? I never know

when my period will come, it's pretty erratic, but I'l guestimate.

Did your MD suggest anything else to take throughout the month to

hopefully avoid it getting like that in the first place. Wow, 31

days straight! I've never had it that long. does that mean you

were estrogen dominant as well?

elyse

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Bee wrote:

> > ==>For heavy periods take 500 mg of bioflavonoids (bought

separately from vitamin C) every day, starting about 5 days before your

period, and continue for the duration of your period, and then stop

until the next time. My M.D. recommended it when I had heavy bleeding

for 31 days straight, and it worked in about 3 days. That's why you

should start taking it before your period starts.

>

> Are the bioflavinoids supposed to slow down bleeding? I never know

> when my period will come, it's pretty erratic, but I'l guestimate.

> Did your MD suggest anything else to take throughout the month to

> hopefully avoid it getting like that in the first place. Wow, 31

> days straight! I've never had it that long. does that mean you

> were estrogen dominant as well?

==>I was going through menopause - it was my last period actually. I

haven't had to take bioflavonoids since, but have recommended it for

others, even on this group, and it works. My doctor didn't recommend

anything else.

Bee

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Nettles tea I heard helps with iron too. Kimi

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I do on and off. Really had it bad before my hysterectomy but even after wards

have

it now and again. I never took Orencia but other drugs can cause it too but I

thought

those were ones that cause stomach ulcers like ibuprofen.

Joy

 

From: heidi <giambifan2001@...>

Subject: [ ] anemic

Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 8:18 AM

Hi, I was wondering if anyone else has anemia.aia was just diagnosed with iron

def anemia.My family dr. seems to think it's from Orencia, but I have been on it

for over a year now and this is the first I have ever been anemic.

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I have had anemia ever since I was diagnosed with RA..have had 6 units of

blood in my life (granted, I was diagnosed with severe crohns as well).have

been on orencia.never heard of that drug causing anemia.

Deb RN

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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] anemic

I do on and off. Really had it bad before my hysterectomy but even after

wards have

it now and again. I never took Orencia but other drugs can cause it too but

I thought

those were ones that cause stomach ulcers like ibuprofen.

Joy

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I too am anemic, but I don't attribute it to medicine (although it very well may

be). I attribute it to the RA Monster. I could be wrong, but in retrospect, it

really doesnt matter.

Anemia makes me feel weak and fragile, i dont get pale or pasty, but I feel it

internally...

I know take Folic Acid and I feel better. The leucovorin wasnt really " doing

the trick "

OKD

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Hi Heidi.

 

      Yes, I have.  Since being diagnosed with RA, I have been anemic and

had 3 blood transfusions.  Each time I took Iron pills for almost a year.  I

did not know it as I am always tired from the RA.  At least it is fixable.

 

Hugs,

 

Barbara

From: heidi <giambifan2001@...>

Subject: [ ] anemic

Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:18 AM

 

Hi, I was wondering if anyone else has anemia.aia was just diagnosed with iron

def anemia.My family dr. seems to think it's from Orencia, but I have been on it

for over a year now and this is the first I have ever been anemic.

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My hubby has psoriatic arthritis and his bloodwork does show his iron level a

bit low. They are not to concerned right now because the level isn't that low

and they are confident once they get his meds working it'll straighten out by

itself. We do take one a day and extra vitamins each day. I have Crohn's Disease

and was anemic and had to take pills. Have they suggested putting on pills

temporarily to get it up?

      Tabby

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Hi all-

I too have Anemia of Chronic Disease, which my rheumy assures me is directly

related to my RA. I've dealt with it for several years now. It doesn't get a

lot better, but if you're careful with diet and meds you can keep it closer to

normal.

I take an iron pill every day. It used to be Niferex, which was awesome, but

insurance does not cover iron because it is avaialable OTC, but Niferex is about

$60 a month. I switched to a different iron pill, along with Folic Acid and

Vitamin C. It keeps my blood numbers at the very low end of normal.

Eat lots of iron-rich food: spinach, arugula, other leafy greens. Also, your

body absorbs more iron if you wat it with Vitamin C rich foods. So if you eat

steak, add some bell peppers or drink some milk. Iron fortified cereals, like

steel cut oatmeal, helps too.

Last but not least, you should add anemia to your medical information, and think

about getting a medical alert bracelet. If you're in an accident and bleeding,

emergency personnel will need to know.

Hang in there

Amber in MO

>

> Yes, I have been diagnosed with severe anemia. So bad that they're on the

verge of giving me blood transfusions and/or a bone marrow biopsy. And, of

course, it makes me feel like ****. Have no energy at all, can barely move some

days. Their theory is that it was caused by Plaquenil (have been off it since

May, seeing if the anemia improves). Or, the other theory is that it is simply

" Anemia of Chronic Disease " , i.e. part of the RA itself. I'm currently taking

iron and folic acid (w/ metho.) to see if that will help. And if not - I don't

know what the plan is. All I know know is that my body is just not making blood

worth a damn. Anybody know what treatments are available or used for this?

> Marsha

>

>

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Dr. Oz also reccommends using an iron skillet for cooking to give iron to your

diet. They are not fancy and are heavy but I am hoping to get a little extra

iron from them.

Rojo

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