Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hey Bob, that's the stuff I was painted with to treat scabies , as described in the other thread! Very nasty chemicals! Aren't they implicated in depression amongst farmers (sheep dip)and gulf war syndrome? Tracey > > Hi Caroline, > Have you been using ne or Malathion for flea treatment of your dog? > > best wishes > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hi Caroline I meant increase the adrenal support as you are on quite a low dose at the moment. Did you get tested after doing the candida protocol? I mean how can we tell it is gone? Well it doesn't GO, but you know what I mean, that it is controlled? It feels important to me to discover and repair the drains on my adrenals. It may well be a case of malabsorption I am thinking from the candida. Have you managed to isolate the causes of your present adrenal status? Did I ask you about your ASI test? My memory is v. poor. Medrol is similar to Pred but easier on the liver. We hypoTs often have a liver under strain from fatty accumulation, mine showed up on an ultrasound and I have other liver issues as well so detoxification is very important for me and that brings me full circle to the candida thing. All roads leads to candida I am beginning to think. What causes your pain Caroline? Mo > > I have had candida and followed Dr P's protocol to get rid of it. I do need to keep on a very low carb diet and when i'm in pain find this hard - eat for comfort. [Edit~Abbreviated Mod] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 OMG My son and myself were given that stuff for scabies when he was in secondary school, I felt really ill after I had put it on, aches and pains, especially in my hands strangely enough, I forgot about that. What IS in that stuff, does it have a lasting effect? lotsa luv Dawnx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hi Caroline Malathion is an organophosphate and that may have a prolonged effect if you've been sensitised/over-exposed. Could it have been Derbac-M?(alathion) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion best wishes Bob > Hi Bob > Not had to treat the dogs for fleas for over 4 years, can't remember what the last thing I used was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hi Tracey, Something they used in the first Gulf War must have been insecticidal to treat (kill) sand-flies ~ they carry sand-fly fever.... One can imagine that the governments wouldn't want to admit liability for infections/treatments given as prophylactics in time of war. farmers must be getting the long-term side-effects that is said to be 'carelessness on the part of the farmers' when, in fact, it's as likely inadequate training, disinformation and the use of the chemicals in farming (sheep dips etc.) Seems to be a common thread picking up here, of insecticidal exposures/side-effects and perhaps triggering early onset thyroid disease. best wishes Bob > Hey Bob, that's the stuff I was painted with to treat scabies , as > described in the other thread! Very nasty chemicals! Aren't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hi Dawn Was it malathion or permethrin? Bob > > OMG > > My son and myself were given that stuff for scabies when he was in > secondary school, I felt really ill after I had put it on, aches and > pains, especially in my hands strangely enough, I forgot about that. > What IS in that stuff, does it have a lasting effect? > > lotsa luv > Dawnx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Hi all, Organophosphates can be lethal- nearly killed my husband. He was trialling a new product and spraying fruit trees in unsuitable conditions ( as he found out later) even though he was wearing a full isolation suit. He shook and couldn't even raise a cup without help for days. docs advice ' well you're still alive- that's a good sign, drink lots of milk and you'll recover.' He did! > thyroid treatment > From: Bob.m9uk@...> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:30:00 +0000> Subject: Re: Prednisone question> > Hi Caroline> > Malathion is an organophosphate and that may have a prolonged effect if > you've been sensitised/over-exposed.> > Could it have been Derbac-M?(alathion)> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion> > best wishes> Bob> > > > Hi Bob> > Not had to treat the dogs for fleas for over 4 years, can't remember > what the last thing I used was?> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Hi Mo I will increase the pred, probably to 5mg per day. For candida I did the test from red apple I think reccommended by Dr P, but it came back negatative. He said still do the protocol as he thought I had it? I have never had an ASI test or any adrenal tests other than examination by Dr P. And now Ive gone back on pred cant have them again. My pain is mainly neck, shoulders lower back and headaches. I usually wake up with it, and any arm usage can set it off. I am terrible for doing too much, but have been ill so long I do as much as I can. Thanks C From: Mo Osborne <moosborne@...>Subject: Re: Prednisone questionthyroid treatment Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 4:47 PM Hi CarolineI meant increase the adrenal support as you are on quite a low dose at the moment.Did you get tested after doing the candida protocol? I mean how can we tell it is gone? Well it doesn't GO, but you know what I mean, that it is controlled?It feels important to me to discover and repair the drains on my adrenals. It may well be a case of malabsorption I am thinking from the candida. Have you managed to isolate the causes of your present adrenal status?Did I ask you about your ASI test? My memory is v. poor.Medrol is similar to Pred but easier on the liver. We hypoTs often have a liver under strain from fatty accumulation, mine showed up on an ultrasound and I have other liver issues as well so detoxification is very important for me and that brings me full circle to the candida thing. All roads leads to candida I am beginning to think.What causes your pain Caroline?Mo> > I have had candida and followed Dr P's protocol to get rid of it. I do need to keep on a very low carb diet and when i'm in pain find this hard - eat for comfort.[Edit~Abbreviated Mod] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Sorry Bob. No idea what I treated them with, I feed raw so have very few flea problems. But I was brought up in a very agricultural area and as a child often rode whilst the crop spraying helicopter was going over. C From: bob.m9uk <Bob.m9uk@...>Subject: Re: Prednisone questionthyroid treatment Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 12:30 AM Hi CarolineMalathion is an organophosphate and that may have a prolonged effect if you've been sensitised/over- exposed.Could it have been Derbac-M?(alathion)http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Malathionbest wishesBob> Hi Bob> Not had to treat the dogs for fleas for over 4 years, can't remember what the last thing I used was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Hi Caroline, It sounds as though you may have a combination of exposures during your life, eg herbicide/insecticides and that possible chemical sensitisation has taken place. Those with an autoimmune thyroid disease need to consider whether it's familial, environmental or dietary ~ and it may be a combination of any of those. Dental amalgams are one of those triggering factors in some people. best wishes Bob > Sorry Bob. > No idea what I treated them with, I feed raw so have very few flea problems. But I was brought up in a very agricultural area and as a child often rode whilst the crop spraying helicopter was going over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 What a very interesting thread this is turning out to be! I have just remembered another way in which we may unwittingly have been exposed to these chemicals - foreign holidays! Just before my plane left Turkey back in 1996, there was a recorded announcement in the cabin about some EEC directive making it compulsory for the cabin interior to be spayed with pesticide. I was alarmed as I had suffered severe reactions in previous years through repeated exposures to headlice treatments and so I asked the airhostess what pesticide they were using. It was malathion! The sods wouldn't let me off the plane and I was told I'd be fine if I put a coat over my head and tried not to breathe. Well, I wasn't and it wasn't long before my skin and eyes started to burn and itch and I had an asthma attack, which fortunately responded to an inhaler before the plane took off. It took 2 weeks before I began to feel better ( Tracey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 I have had various doses but the optimal one for me was 3 days of 40 mg, 3 days of 20mg and 3 days of 10mg. Optimal, for me, meaning effective relief from polyps in 24 hours without huge doses. Just finished a course of this I can breathe through both nostrils. AND I didn't put on weight! Prednisone Question For those of you that periodically take short bursts of prednisone, how long do you take it for? My allergist has been very inconsistent: I've had a 7-day course, a 10-day course, and most recently a 5-day course which did NOT do the trick. Any information would be appreciated, thank you! Becca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hi Our pediatrician tells us to be sure that it is definately an episode, as giving prednisone if it an infection can cause the body to not be able to fight off the infection as well; it can also lower the immune system if it isn't an episode. We have used it twice already, and we waitied until the fever reached 101.5 before giving it. We were pretty sure because he complained of a headache, which is always just before an episode. Our ped. says that if the feevr doesn't go away that day, we should bring im in.....hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hi Our pediatrician tells us to be sure that it is definately an episode, as giving prednisone if it an infection can cause the body to not be able to fight off the infection as well; it can also lower the immune system if it isn't an episode. We have used it twice already, and we waitied until the fever reached 101.5 before giving it. We were pretty sure because he complained of a headache, which is always just before an episode. Our ped. says that if the feevr doesn't go away that day, we should bring im in.....hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hi Our pediatrician tells us to be sure that it is definately an episode, as giving prednisone if it an infection can cause the body to not be able to fight off the infection as well; it can also lower the immune system if it isn't an episode. We have used it twice already, and we waitied until the fever reached 101.5 before giving it. We were pretty sure because he complained of a headache, which is always just before an episode. Our ped. says that if the feevr doesn't go away that day, we should bring im in.....hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hi All, I was on 3mgs.prednisone daily along with 15mgs. MTX weekly, and was doing OK. Went off the prednisone because of fear of side-effects of long-term low dose prednisone, and increased the MTX to 20mgs. but that didn't help, just caused more digestive problems. I tried the MTX alone at 15mgs. for a few months but now my symptoms are seriously worsening. On advice of my rheumy I restarted the prednisone at 5mgs. four days ago (to eventually work back down to 3mgs.) How long will it take for the prednisone to start having an effect? If it doesn't should I start the prednisone at a higher dose and work down? (When I first started it, a year ago I began at 15mgs., then worked down to 5mgs. and finally 3mgs.) Best to Everyone, Ira Brightman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 My dr said Prednisone works immediately. If you don't get relief the dose isn't high enough. Candace No shadows to depress you Only joys to surround you Many friends to love you God himself to bless you These are my wishes for you, For today, tomorrow & everyday. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2010, at 1:14 PM, " irabrightman " <searcher100yy@...> wrote: > Hi All, > > I was on 3mgs.prednisone daily along with 15mgs. MTX weekly, and was doing OK. Went off the prednisone because of fear of side-effects of long-term low dose prednisone, and increased the MTX to 20mgs. but that didn't help, just caused more digestive problems. I tried the MTX alone at 15mgs. for a few months but now my symptoms are seriously worsening. On advice of my rheumy I restarted the prednisone at 5mgs. four days ago (to eventually work back down to 3mgs.) > > How long will it take for the prednisone to start having an effect? If it doesn't should I start the prednisone at a higher dose and work down? (When I first started it, a year ago I began at 15mgs., then worked down to 5mgs. and finally 3mgs.) > > Best to Everyone, > Ira Brightman > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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